Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
They should make the same thing but instead of lua have a haskall version, just to add an extra layer of fun for the kids. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.auwrote: This doesn't satisfy the doesn't have the patience to sit and type code clause, but something that can start very simply and develop into anything as complex as you could imagine is: http://love2d.org/ It's really only for 2d stuff, and requires learning Lua, but boy-oh-boy I've had a lot of fun with it. On 26/08/13 22:17, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft.
OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft.
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
Try this https://www.scirra.com/construct2 - J On 26 August 2013 15:47, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. -- -- Juhani Karlsson 3D Artist/TD Talvi Digital Oy Pursimiehenkatu 29-31 b 2krs. 00150 Helsinki +358 443443088 juhani.karls...@talvi.fi www.vimeo.com/talvi
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
You could let her dive into unity :), but maybe that would be to much, here are some that google came up with, maybe one of them would be ok for her, http://www.3drad.com/ http://www.stonetrip.com/ http://www.garagegames.com/ http://www.sandboxgamemaker.com/ Or if you want to get her started with the basics, let her play around with rpg maker or something similar. Best of luck to the the both of you. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft.
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
I suggest to take a look at Game Maker, which allows you to build your own creation without loosing yourself into lines and lines of code Its quite straight forward and you can see the results in realtime, but it is 2D only If she would like to deal more with 3D stuff and logic I suggest you to use Unity3D, but in there everything you need you have to code yourself, so since she's quite young it would be better to start with a simple 2D game engine and then move forward By the way both Unity3D and Game Maker are free to use, unlsess you want more features, in that case you have to pay the license
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
I wouldn't be into 3d if my dad didn't help me get off games and onto doing something productive when I was younger! I owe him one. My friend on another forum I use compiled a list of free game engines and classified them roughly on their ease of use. Very extensive, but a good way to start. www.united3dartists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3687start=0 Hope you find the right program, or game. Like little big planet. You can make mini games or custom levels in that. Keep being awesome. -Draise --- Original Message --- From: Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com Sent: August 26, 2013 8:01 AM To: robw r...@casema.nl, softimage softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
I run a 3D Dojo in Belfast every Saturday morning. We primarily use Blender because of its availability to the students. The class is delivered to the kids by the kids. I've had kids as old as 11 teach the class. A few of them are making games, primarily first person shooters in Unity 3D. Scratch is probably the most common platform out there for teaching but whatever you do, do not underestimate their abilities. ;) On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13 -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
hammer for halflife 1 is quite easy. It would require the dad to set up to make sure compiling works and textures are loaded. After that you could create a block she can copy and paste and so on learn here more and more. 2013/8/26 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com I wouldn't be into 3d if my dad didn't help me get off games and onto doing something productive when I was younger! I owe him one. My friend on another forum I use compiled a list of free game engines and classified them roughly on their ease of use. Very extensive, but a good way to start. www.united3dartists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3687start=0 Hope you find the right program, or game. Like little big planet. You can make mini games or custom levels in that. Keep being awesome. -Draise --- Original Message --- From: Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com Sent: August 26, 2013 8:01 AM To: robw r...@casema.nl, softimage softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13
Re: my 10 year old wants to make games
You could let her dive into unity :), but maybe that would be to much, I was going to say that. Unity can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. I'm not much of a realtime guy but I had to deliver a fairly large project in Unity recently and I found it quite a nice mix of simplicity mixed with option of roll-your-sleeves-up-and-start-coding customizability, much like any mature application. (It was also quite a novelty to present the finished product to the client without having to render or comp.) But back on the topic, I would imagine that a 10 year old could get into the free version of Unity with very little trouble. -Eric
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
Hi Paul, I too have a daughter (Giselle) just about your daughter's age --as well as son almost three years older (Jean-Luc)-- who are interested in creating games. I'm including the age that Giselle started using the programs to give you a frame of reference on how accessible the various programs are. *Game Maker:* While it does have some substantial limitations dealing with surfaces, I'd have to strongly recommend Game Maker; my daughter was making up her own games with it when she was 7. It is a complete all-in-one tool. There are also published books (specifically addressing Game Maker) available with CD content of each stage of development of many games. Game maker abstracts programming concepts nicely for the young programmer through parameter-populated iconic program blocks. Once she has mastered the logic, there are scripting icons that will allow her to do pure scripting. Spelunky was made using Game maker and the source project is available to learn from: http://spelunkyworld.com/original.html I have been helping my son work through these books an independent study course. On a side note, Jean-Luc has been using Game Maker's editor to design some clever puzzles as well as contributing to core game mechanics for an upcoming indie puzzle-platformer that a game designer/programmer friend, Steven Kiesewetter, and I are working on. (although we are looking to port it over to Unity due to the aforementioned performance limitations of Game Maker on lower end hardware.) *Kodu Game Lab:* Another great engine/frameworks that my daughter loved using around 5-6 years old was http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu This takes an even simpler approach to game creation by coding the behaviors and controls in picture sentences that live under each game object. Kodu does this through a rotary-branching menu system; Giselle would fly through the menus, faster than I could keep up with, creating behaviors for in game agents and player input. It enabled her to code all sorts of games and stories using just the Xbox controller. Its obvious hook is that is makes creating 3D games very easy. *Scratch:* MIT has created a fantastic way to introduce programming to children through a simple drag drop interface http://scratch.mit.edu/ Giselle was into this pretty heavily when she was 8 although it never captured Jean-Luc's imagination. *Spore Galactic Adventures:* This is a straight up game with an editor, but it deserves a mention from the standpoint that it is very easy to create a variety of creature looks as well as create stories that can be shared. This has had a hold on Giselle for few week bursts over the last year. Depending on what your daughter wants to do with game creation this may be of interest to her. I hope sharing some of my family's personal experience was helpful for you. Cheers, -=Eric On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Doeke Wartena clankil...@gmail.com wrote: hammer for halflife 1 is quite easy. It would require the dad to set up to make sure compiling works and textures are loaded. After that you could create a block she can copy and paste and so on learn here more and more. 2013/8/26 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com I wouldn't be into 3d if my dad didn't help me get off games and onto doing something productive when I was younger! I owe him one. My friend on another forum I use compiled a list of free game engines and classified them roughly on their ease of use. Very extensive, but a good way to start. www.united3dartists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3687start=0 Hope you find the right program, or game. Like little big planet. You can make mini games or custom levels in that. Keep being awesome. -Draise --- Original Message --- From: Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com Sent: August 26, 2013 8:01 AM To: robw r...@casema.nl, softimage softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
Wow! Thanks guys for all the options! Several of these seem like they'd be perfect for her. One that I came across was Gamestar Mechanic. Does anyone have an opinion on it? The thing that attracted me to it is, they are doing an online training series for kids ages 9-14. It's not cheap - $199. But I like the idea of holding her accountable to someone other than her mother and myself. They claim they have game experts who work with the kids over the course of 4 Units to help them develop their own game. I'm going to have to make a list of all these and sit down to review them all narrow it down to a couple of choices and let her pick. Thanks! Paul On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, I too have a daughter (Giselle) just about your daughter's age --as well as son almost three years older (Jean-Luc)-- who are interested in creating games. I'm including the age that Giselle started using the programs to give you a frame of reference on how accessible the various programs are. *Game Maker:* While it does have some substantial limitations dealing with surfaces, I'd have to strongly recommend Game Maker; my daughter was making up her own games with it when she was 7. It is a complete all-in-one tool. There are also published books (specifically addressing Game Maker) available with CD content of each stage of development of many games. Game maker abstracts programming concepts nicely for the young programmer through parameter-populated iconic program blocks. Once she has mastered the logic, there are scripting icons that will allow her to do pure scripting. Spelunky was made using Game maker and the source project is available to learn from: http://spelunkyworld.com/original.html I have been helping my son work through these books an independent study course. On a side note, Jean-Luc has been using Game Maker's editor to design some clever puzzles as well as contributing to core game mechanics for an upcoming indie puzzle-platformer that a game designer/programmer friend, Steven Kiesewetter, and I are working on. (although we are looking to port it over to Unity due to the aforementioned performance limitations of Game Maker on lower end hardware.) *Kodu Game Lab:* Another great engine/frameworks that my daughter loved using around 5-6 years old was http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu This takes an even simpler approach to game creation by coding the behaviors and controls in picture sentences that live under each game object. Kodu does this through a rotary-branching menu system; Giselle would fly through the menus, faster than I could keep up with, creating behaviors for in game agents and player input. It enabled her to code all sorts of games and stories using just the Xbox controller. Its obvious hook is that is makes creating 3D games very easy. *Scratch:* MIT has created a fantastic way to introduce programming to children through a simple drag drop interface http://scratch.mit.edu/ Giselle was into this pretty heavily when she was 8 although it never captured Jean-Luc's imagination. *Spore Galactic Adventures:* This is a straight up game with an editor, but it deserves a mention from the standpoint that it is very easy to create a variety of creature looks as well as create stories that can be shared. This has had a hold on Giselle for few week bursts over the last year. Depending on what your daughter wants to do with game creation this may be of interest to her. I hope sharing some of my family's personal experience was helpful for you. Cheers, -=Eric On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Doeke Wartena clankil...@gmail.comwrote: hammer for halflife 1 is quite easy. It would require the dad to set up to make sure compiling works and textures are loaded. After that you could create a block she can copy and paste and so on learn here more and more. 2013/8/26 Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com I wouldn't be into 3d if my dad didn't help me get off games and onto doing something productive when I was younger! I owe him one. My friend on another forum I use compiled a list of free game engines and classified them roughly on their ease of use. Very extensive, but a good way to start. www.united3dartists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3687start=0 Hope you find the right program, or game. Like little big planet. You can make mini games or custom levels in that. Keep being awesome. -Draise --- Original Message --- From: Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com Sent: August 26, 2013 8:01 AM To: robw r...@casema.nl, softimage softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http
Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games
owe him one. My friend on another forum I use compiled a list of free game engines and classified them roughly on their ease of use. Very extensive, but a good way to start. www.united3dartists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3687start=0 Hope you find the right program, or game. Like little big planet. You can make mini games or custom levels in that. Keep being awesome. -Draise --- Original Message --- From: Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com Sent: August 26, 2013 8:01 AM To: robw r...@casema.nl, softimage softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: my 10 year old wants to make games Rob that seems quite cool for young children to get into programing. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Hi Paul, I recently came across this: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects/kodu Apparently from 8 and up Rob \/-\/\/ On 26-8-2013 14:47, Paul Griswold wrote: My 10 year old daughter has expressed an interest in making her own games. As a typical 10 year old she doesn't have the patience to sit and type code out of a book to make a tic-tac-toe game. I think she's still at the age where she needs to see more immediate (and cool) results. So, does anyone know of any online, kid-friendly, game building apps that might at least teach her some basic concepts? The one I'm leaning towards is Scratch, but there are just hundreds of other options out there and I have no idea what's good and what sucks. Anyone have a favorite they'd recommend? Thanks, Paul P.S. if it makes any difference, her favorite game is Minecraft. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13 -- -=T=- -- -=T=-
