RE: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-28 Thread David Blackwell 
One of the key benefits of going to a 64-bit O/S is that it supports more than 
4GB of memory.  The memory addresses in a 32bit O/S max out at 4GB so even 
though my home PC with Vista 32 bit has 4 GB of Physical RAM, it doesn't get to 
use it all because when you subtract the addresses used by the 1 GB Videocard 
RAM and other RAM using processes that need the addresses, I lose the ability 
to use all the physical RAM I bought and installed in the motherboard.  If I 
had bought or converted to a 64 bit Vista O/S it would be able to address all 
my RAM and give me more available RAM for programs I use.

 

David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering 
 
Office of State Fire Marshal 
141 Monticello Trail 
Columbia, SC 29203 
Phone:  803.896.9833 
Fax:  803.896.9806 
Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov 
OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp 
 

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:36 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: THE on XP Pro

Trevor,

Without understanding the tech details I do understand the overall
problem. I just thought the whole work-around was funny and typical of
how Microsoft just keeps patching and patching and the programs just
grow in size.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Trevor Spain  wrote:
> The primary problem is with 16 bit wide code.  When running a 64 bit
> operating system, the 64 bit processors can not run 16 bit code.  When
> running a 32 bit operating system 16 bit code is still supported.
>
> What you're doing with Virtual PC is emulating a 32 bit operating system as
> an application running on your 64 bit operating system so that you can
> execute old 16 bit code with it.
>
> Even some old 32 bit code programs used 16 bit code installers to save
> floppy disk space.  These programs could probably run if there was a way to
> install them but the setup program won't run.
>
> A virtualized XP is also a good place to try out programs downloaded from
> the internet that you're not sure of.  If it catches a virus, delete the two
> or three virtual pc image files and restore your backup.  Of course, that
> doesn't work if you don't have a backup.  Make sure and backup the windows
> xp virtual pc image files after your clean installation.
>
> On 10/28/2010 9:26 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. Before Apple started using the Intel processor I had to
>> use Virtual PC to run Windows on my Mac. I can now run both OSX and
>> Windows natively on the Mac, but I need Virtual PC to run Win 7 on a
>> PC at a level sufficient to operate an ancient and simple PC program
>> on a PC?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Trevor Spain
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk
>>> can
>>> download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft.  Then install XP under
>>> Virtual
>>> PC for running old programs.
>>>
>>> Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to
>>> run
>>> now, what happens after a couple more windows releases?  It would seem
>>> prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual PC (or
>>> Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.).  Then the XP image could be backed up and
>>> moved
>>> to new PC's as you upgrade.
>>>
>>> I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted
>>> to
>>> keep access to.  I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though.  Might be
>>> time
>>> to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista and win
>>> 7.
>>>
>>> Trevor Spain
>>> Fire Pro Corporation
>>> 404 N Cedar
>>> Shelbyville, IL  62565
>>>
>>> On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
>>>> I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
>>>> to get it so I can run old programs.
>>>> It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
>>>> environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.
>>>>
>>>> The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
>>>>
>>>> This web article might also be helpful:
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-

Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-28 Thread Ron Greenman 
Trevor,

Without understanding the tech details I do understand the overall
problem. I just thought the whole work-around was funny and typical of
how Microsoft just keeps patching and patching and the programs just
grow in size.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Trevor Spain  wrote:
> The primary problem is with 16 bit wide code.  When running a 64 bit
> operating system, the 64 bit processors can not run 16 bit code.  When
> running a 32 bit operating system 16 bit code is still supported.
>
> What you're doing with Virtual PC is emulating a 32 bit operating system as
> an application running on your 64 bit operating system so that you can
> execute old 16 bit code with it.
>
> Even some old 32 bit code programs used 16 bit code installers to save
> floppy disk space.  These programs could probably run if there was a way to
> install them but the setup program won't run.
>
> A virtualized XP is also a good place to try out programs downloaded from
> the internet that you're not sure of.  If it catches a virus, delete the two
> or three virtual pc image files and restore your backup.  Of course, that
> doesn't work if you don't have a backup.  Make sure and backup the windows
> xp virtual pc image files after your clean installation.
>
> On 10/28/2010 9:26 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. Before Apple started using the Intel processor I had to
>> use Virtual PC to run Windows on my Mac. I can now run both OSX and
>> Windows natively on the Mac, but I need Virtual PC to run Win 7 on a
>> PC at a level sufficient to operate an ancient and simple PC program
>> on a PC?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Trevor Spain
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk
>>> can
>>> download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft.  Then install XP under
>>> Virtual
>>> PC for running old programs.
>>>
>>> Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to
>>> run
>>> now, what happens after a couple more windows releases?  It would seem
>>> prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual PC (or
>>> Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.).  Then the XP image could be backed up and
>>> moved
>>> to new PC's as you upgrade.
>>>
>>> I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted
>>> to
>>> keep access to.  I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though.  Might be
>>> time
>>> to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista and win
>>> 7.
>>>
>>> Trevor Spain
>>> Fire Pro Corporation
>>> 404 N Cedar
>>> Shelbyville, IL  62565
>>>
>>> On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
>>>> I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
>>>> to get it so I can run old programs.
>>>> It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
>>>> environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.
>>>>
>>>> The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
>>>>
>>>> This web article might also be helpful:
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
>>>> tle_skin;content
>>>>
>>>> I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware,&
>>>> software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
>>>> If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
>>>> too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
>>>> Engineering
>>>> 
>>>> Office of State Fire Marshal
>>>> 141 Monticello Trail
>>>> Columbia, SC 29203
>>>> Phone:  803.896.9833
>>>> Fax:  803.896.9806
>>>> Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov
>>>> OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
>>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> Leyton
>>>> Sent: Wed

Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-28 Thread Trevor Spain 
The primary problem is with 16 bit wide code.  When running a 64 bit 
operating system, the 64 bit processors can not run 16 bit code.  When 
running a 32 bit operating system 16 bit code is still supported.


What you're doing with Virtual PC is emulating a 32 bit operating system 
as an application running on your 64 bit operating system so that you 
can execute old 16 bit code with it.


Even some old 32 bit code programs used 16 bit code installers to save 
floppy disk space.  These programs could probably run if there was a way 
to install them but the setup program won't run.


A virtualized XP is also a good place to try out programs downloaded 
from the internet that you're not sure of.  If it catches a virus, 
delete the two or three virtual pc image files and restore your backup.  
Of course, that doesn't work if you don't have a backup.  Make sure and 
backup the windows xp virtual pc image files after your clean installation.


On 10/28/2010 9:26 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:

Interesting. Before Apple started using the Intel processor I had to
use Virtual PC to run Windows on my Mac. I can now run both OSX and
Windows natively on the Mac, but I need Virtual PC to run Win 7 on a
PC at a level sufficient to operate an ancient and simple PC program
on a PC?

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Trevor Spain  wrote:

Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk can
download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft.  Then install XP under Virtual
PC for running old programs.

Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to run
now, what happens after a couple more windows releases?  It would seem
prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual PC (or
Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.).  Then the XP image could be backed up and moved
to new PC's as you upgrade.

I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted to
keep access to.  I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though.  Might be time
to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista and win 7.

Trevor Spain
Fire Pro Corporation
404 N Cedar
Shelbyville, IL  62565

On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote:

Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
to get it so I can run old programs.
It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.

The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

This web article might also be helpful:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
tle_skin;content

I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware,&
software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.


David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering

Office of State Fire Marshal
141 Monticello Trail
Columbia, SC 29203
Phone:  803.896.9833
Fax:  803.896.9806
Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov
OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp


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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part.   But you
need as much memory and processor speed as possible.   We upgraded all
of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a
minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of
them.   But from here on out, our new computers are going to be
configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the
graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc.

Steve



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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Vince
Sabolik
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g)


At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:

THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7.  But Windows
7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run

Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136

T 440 572-7730  F 440 572-7719  Email:
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Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-28 Thread Ron Greenman 
Interesting. Before Apple started using the Intel processor I had to
use Virtual PC to run Windows on my Mac. I can now run both OSX and
Windows natively on the Mac, but I need Virtual PC to run Win 7 on a
PC at a level sufficient to operate an ancient and simple PC program
on a PC?

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Trevor Spain  wrote:
> Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk can
> download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft.  Then install XP under Virtual
> PC for running old programs.
>
> Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to run
> now, what happens after a couple more windows releases?  It would seem
> prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual PC (or
> Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.).  Then the XP image could be backed up and moved
> to new PC's as you upgrade.
>
> I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted to
> keep access to.  I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though.  Might be time
> to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista and win 7.
>
> Trevor Spain
> Fire Pro Corporation
> 404 N Cedar
> Shelbyville, IL  62565
>
> On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote:
>>
>> Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
>> I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
>> to get it so I can run old programs.
>> It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
>> environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.
>>
>> The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
>>
>> This web article might also be helpful:
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
>> tle_skin;content
>>
>> I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware,&
>> software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
>> If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
>> too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.
>>
>>
>> David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
>> Engineering
>> 
>> Office of State Fire Marshal
>> 141 Monticello Trail
>> Columbia, SC 29203
>> Phone:  803.896.9833
>> Fax:  803.896.9806
>> Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov
>> OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp
>> --------
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Leyton
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM
>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
>> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro
>>
>> Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part.   But you
>> need as much memory and processor speed as possible.   We upgraded all
>> of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a
>> minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of
>> them.   But from here on out, our new computers are going to be
>> configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the
>> graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Vince
>> Sabolik
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM
>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
>> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro
>>
>> FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g)
>>
>>
>> At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>> THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7.  But Windows
>>> 7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run
>>
>> Vince Sabolik
>> Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
>> 11351 Pearl Road
>> Strongsville, Ohio 44136
>>
>> T 440 572-7730  F 440 572-7719  Email:
>> <mailto:vi...@christifire.com>vi...@christifire.com
>>
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Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-28 Thread Trevor Spain 
Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk 
can download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft.  Then install XP under 
Virtual PC for running old programs.


Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to 
run now, what happens after a couple more windows releases?  It would 
seem prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual 
PC (or Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.).  Then the XP image could be backed 
up and moved to new PC's as you upgrade.


I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted 
to keep access to.  I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though.  Might be 
time to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista 
and win 7.


Trevor Spain
Fire Pro Corporation
404 N Cedar
Shelbyville, IL  62565

On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote:

Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
to get it so I can run old programs.
It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.

The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

This web article might also be helpful:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
tle_skin;content

I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware,&
software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.


David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering

Office of State Fire Marshal
141 Monticello Trail
Columbia, SC 29203
Phone:  803.896.9833
Fax:  803.896.9806
Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov
OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp


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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part.   But you
need as much memory and processor speed as possible.   We upgraded all
of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a
minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of
them.   But from here on out, our new computers are going to be
configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the
graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc.

Steve



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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Vince
Sabolik
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g)


At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:

THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7.  But Windows
7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run

Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136

T 440 572-7730  F 440 572-7719  Email:
<mailto:vi...@christifire.com>vi...@christifire.com

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Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-27 Thread Ron Greenman 
Something for Windows that's big. I'm shocked. I'm also shocked that's
there's gambling at Rick's.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Blackwell  wrote:
> Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
> I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
> to get it so I can run old programs.
> It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
> environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.
>
> The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
>
> This web article might also be helpful:
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
> tle_skin;content
>
> I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware, &
> software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
> If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
> too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.
>
>
> David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
> Engineering
> 
> Office of State Fire Marshal
> 141 Monticello Trail
> Columbia, SC 29203
> Phone:  803.896.9833
> Fax:  803.896.9806
> Email:  blac...@llr.sc.gov
> OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Leyton
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro
>
> Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part.   But you
> need as much memory and processor speed as possible.   We upgraded all
> of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a
> minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of
> them.   But from here on out, our new computers are going to be
> configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the
> graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Vince
> Sabolik
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro
>
> FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g)
>
>
> At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:
>>THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7.  But Windows
>>7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run
>
> Vince Sabolik
> Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
> 11351 Pearl Road
> Strongsville, Ohio 44136
>
> T 440 572-7730  F 440 572-7719  Email:
> <mailto:vi...@christifire.com>vi...@christifire.com
>
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RE: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-27 Thread David Blackwell 
Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS.
I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro
to get it so I can run old programs.
It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual
environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC.

The Microsoft website addresses both programs here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

This web article might also be helpful:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man
tle_skin;content 

I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware, &
software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm].
If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself,
too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it.
 

David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering 
 
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Columbia, SC 29203 
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Fax:  803.896.9806 
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Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part.   But you
need as much memory and processor speed as possible.   We upgraded all
of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a
minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of
them.   But from here on out, our new computers are going to be
configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the
graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc.

Steve 
 


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Sabolik
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM
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Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro

FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g)


At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:
>THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7.  But Windows
>7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run

Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136

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RE: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-27 Thread Steve Leyton 
It ran fine for us that way.   Now if you upgrade to Windows 7 ...

Steve


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Subject: Re: THE on XP Pro

Right click on Desktop - New Shortcut
Browse to directory that contains the THE Program
Select the executable (.exe) file, usually THE##.exe
Assign an icon

and it should work from there.

If there are problems remaining (fonts, display box size) let me
know and I'll call you.

Good luck!




At 10:37 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:
>Please excuse my tech ignorance but is there a workaround that allows
THE to
>run on Windows XP Pro?
>
>Bill Brooks
>
>William N. Brooks, P.E.
>Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
>372 Wilett Drive
>Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
>410-544-3620
>410-544-3032 FAX
>412-400-6528 Cell
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Re: THE on XP Pro

2010-10-27 Thread Vince Sabolik 

Right click on Desktop - New Shortcut
Browse to directory that contains the THE Program
Select the executable (.exe) file, usually THE##.exe
Assign an icon

and it should work from there.

If there are problems remaining (fonts, display box size) let me
know and I'll call you.

Good luck!




At 10:37 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:

Please excuse my tech ignorance but is there a workaround that allows THE to
run on Windows XP Pro?

Bill Brooks

William N. Brooks, P.E.
Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
372 Wilett Drive
Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
410-544-3620
410-544-3032 FAX
412-400-6528 Cell


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vi...@christifire.com


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THE on XP Pro

2010-10-27 Thread Bill Brooks 
Please excuse my tech ignorance but is there a workaround that allows THE to
run on Windows XP Pro?

Bill Brooks

William N. Brooks, P.E.
Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
372 Wilett Drive
Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
410-544-3620
410-544-3032 FAX
412-400-6528 Cell


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