[sqlalchemy] Dangers of setting a session's expire_on_commit=False?
Hi all - so I'm thinking of disabling the expire_on_commit property for my default sessionmaker object, and I was wondering what the potential issues with this were. Is it simply that the next access of the data on it could be using out-of-date information? Don't objects potentially have this problem anyway, in the sense that if they are accessed TWICE after a commit, the second access will use the data cached from the first, and could again be out of date? To give some background - we're in the middle of converting an existing codebase to use sqlalchemy, and there are number of classes that act both as database wrappers, AND data structures. That is, when first constructed, they are populated with data from the database; but from then on out, they just keep the cached data. So they would behave similarly to ORM-mapped objects, if expire_on_commit is False. The thinking here is that for most of these classes, the data changes fairly infrequently, and it's not catastrophic if it's somewhat out of date. Also we don't want to keep hitting the database more than necessary... and, finally, we might need to have access to the cached data for a long time (ie, as long as the user has a ui window open). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sqlalchemy] problems with mysql reflect
Done:
https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/3123/mysql-reflection-on-python-26-causes-error
FYI, for now we're patching sqlalchemy/engine/reflection.py, changing
Inspector.reflectable after it gets tbl_opts (line 450 in my code):
# reflect table options, like mysql_engine
tbl_opts = self.get_table_options(table_name, schema,
**table.dialect_kwargs)
# Python 2.6 doesn't except using dicts with unicode keys for
kwargs,
# ie, myFunc(**{u'foo':1}) will raise an error
if sys.version_info (2, 7):
for key, val in tbl_opts.items():
if isinstance(key, unicode):
del tbl_opts[key]
tbl_opts[str(key)] = val
There's likely a much better / more elegant way to handle this, but it
seems to do the trick for us...
Let me know anything's not clear, or you're having troubles replicating, or
there's anything else I can do to help!
- Paul
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Mike Bayer mike...@zzzcomputing.com
wrote:
On 7/10/14, 3:49 PM, Paul Molodowitch wrote:
Whoops! Just noticed this was the totally wrong traceback!
Here's the correct trace:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
File test.py, line 155, in module
metadata.reflect(db.engine, only=tables)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 3277, in reflect
Table(name, self, **reflect_opts)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 352, in __new__
table._init(name, metadata, *args, **kw)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 425, in _init
self._autoload(metadata, autoload_with, include_columns)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 437, in _autoload
self, include_columns, exclude_columns
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/base.py, line 1198, in run_callable
return callable_(self, *args, **kwargs)
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/default.py, line 355, in reflecttable
return insp.reflecttable(table, include_columns, exclude_columns)
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/reflection.py, line 463, in reflecttable
for col_d in self.get_columns(table_name, schema,
**table.dialect_kwargs):
TypeError: get_columns() keywords must be strings
with metadata.reflect(), OK. Can you please make a very short and
self-contained test case and post a bug report? thanks.
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Re: [sqlalchemy] problems with mysql reflect
oops, that line should read Python 2.6 doesn't accept, not except.
My hands are too used to typing except SomeError:...
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Paul Molodowitch elron...@gmail.com
wrote:
Done:
https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/3123/mysql-reflection-on-python-26-causes-error
FYI, for now we're patching sqlalchemy/engine/reflection.py, changing
Inspector.reflectable after it gets tbl_opts (line 450 in my code):
# reflect table options, like mysql_engine
tbl_opts = self.get_table_options(table_name, schema,
**table.dialect_kwargs)
# Python 2.6 doesn't except using dicts with unicode keys for
kwargs,
# ie, myFunc(**{u'foo':1}) will raise an error
if sys.version_info (2, 7):
for key, val in tbl_opts.items():
if isinstance(key, unicode):
del tbl_opts[key]
tbl_opts[str(key)] = val
There's likely a much better / more elegant way to handle this, but it
seems to do the trick for us...
Let me know anything's not clear, or you're having troubles replicating,
or there's anything else I can do to help!
- Paul
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Mike Bayer mike...@zzzcomputing.com
wrote:
On 7/10/14, 3:49 PM, Paul Molodowitch wrote:
Whoops! Just noticed this was the totally wrong traceback!
Here's the correct trace:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
File test.py, line 155, in module
metadata.reflect(db.engine, only=tables)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 3277, in reflect
Table(name, self, **reflect_opts)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 352, in __new__
table._init(name, metadata, *args, **kw)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 425, in _init
self._autoload(metadata, autoload_with, include_columns)
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 437, in _autoload
self, include_columns, exclude_columns
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/base.py, line 1198, in run_callable
return callable_(self, *args, **kwargs)
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/default.py, line 355, in reflecttable
return insp.reflecttable(table, include_columns, exclude_columns)
File ./sqlalchemy/engine/reflection.py, line 463, in reflecttable
for col_d in self.get_columns(table_name, schema,
**table.dialect_kwargs):
TypeError: get_columns() keywords must be strings
with metadata.reflect(), OK. Can you please make a very short and
self-contained test case and post a bug report? thanks.
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Re: [sqlalchemy] problems with mysql reflect
Whoops! Just noticed this was the totally wrong traceback! Here's the correct trace: Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module File test.py, line 155, in module metadata.reflect(db.engine, only=tables) File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 3277, in reflect Table(name, self, **reflect_opts) File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 352, in __new__ table._init(name, metadata, *args, **kw) File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 425, in _init self._autoload(metadata, autoload_with, include_columns) File ./sqlalchemy/sql/schema.py, line 437, in _autoload self, include_columns, exclude_columns File ./sqlalchemy/engine/base.py, line 1198, in run_callable return callable_(self, *args, **kwargs) File ./sqlalchemy/engine/default.py, line 355, in reflecttable return insp.reflecttable(table, include_columns, exclude_columns) File ./sqlalchemy/engine/reflection.py, line 463, in reflecttable for col_d in self.get_columns(table_name, schema, **table.dialect_kwargs): TypeError: get_columns() keywords must be strings -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sqlalchemy] problems with mysql reflect
I just ran into the same problem, using python 2.6 + sqlalchemy 0.9.4 /
0.9.6 + MySQL.
The problem in my case IS definitely related to python 2.6 - basically,
python 2.6 doesn't allow unicode keywords, while 2.7 does. Ie, if you do
this:
def foo(**kwargs):
print kwargs
foo(**{u'thing':1})
...it will work in 2.7, but give this error in 2.6:
TypeError: foo() keywords must be strings
For reference, these were the table.dialect_kwargs.keys() that were making
trouble in 2.6:
[u'mysql_comment', u'mysql_engine', u'mysql_default charset']
Fine, except for the fact that they're unicode...
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Re: [sqlalchemy] problems with mysql reflect
Sure - I think it's the same as the original poster's, but the traceback
I'm getting is:
inspect(Project).relationships
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
File ./sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py, line 712, in __get__
obj.__dict__[self.__name__] = result = self.fget(obj)
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/mapper.py, line 2037, in relationships
return self._filter_properties(properties.RelationshipProperty)
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/mapper.py, line 2054, in _filter_properties
configure_mappers()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/mapper.py, line 2560, in configure_mappers
mapper._post_configure_properties()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/mapper.py, line 1673, in
_post_configure_properties
prop.init()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/interfaces.py, line 143, in init
self.do_init()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/relationships.py, line 1510, in do_init
self._setup_join_conditions()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/relationships.py, line 1586, in
_setup_join_conditions
can_be_synced_fn=self._columns_are_mapped
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/relationships.py, line 1849, in __init__
self._determine_joins()
File ./sqlalchemy/orm/relationships.py, line 1915, in _determine_joins
consider_as_foreign_keys=consider_as_foreign_keys
File string, line 2, in join_condition
File ./sqlalchemy/sql/selectable.py, line 692, in _join_condition
b.foreign_keys,
AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'foreign_keys'
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mike Bayer mike...@zzzcomputing.com wrote:
On 7/9/14, 3:41 PM, Paul Molodowitch wrote:
I just ran into the same problem, using python 2.6 + sqlalchemy 0.9.4 /
0.9.6 + MySQL.
The problem in my case IS definitely related to python 2.6 - basically,
python 2.6 doesn't allow unicode keywords, while 2.7 does. Ie, if you do
this:
def foo(**kwargs):
print kwargs
foo(**{u'thing':1})
...it will work in 2.7, but give this error in 2.6:
TypeError: foo() keywords must be strings
For reference, these were the table.dialect_kwargs.keys() that were
making trouble in 2.6:
[u'mysql_comment', u'mysql_engine', u'mysql_default charset']
Fine, except for the fact that they're unicode...
OK but this is not a codepath within SQLAlchemy's MySQL reflection code.
I'm PDBing right now into 0.9, using py2.6 + use_unicode=1; the reflected
table options are sent directly into table.kwargs, not using the
constructor or any **kw system. the tests pass, and the keys are coming
back as u''.
if you can show me where table.kwargs gets used implicitly as a
constructor arg i can fix that.
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Re: [sqlalchemy] Automatically set primary key to None when deleted?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Mike Bayer mike...@zzzcomputing.com wrote: On 7/2/14, 10:05 PM, Paul Molodowitch wrote: Suppose I have a super simple table like this: class Dinosaur(Base): __tablename__ = 'dinosaurs' id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True) name = Column(String(255)) We assume that the id is set up in such a way that by default it always gets a unique value - ie, it uses autoincrement in MySQL, or a sequence in postgres, etc. Now, suppose I get an instance of this class, and then delete it: steggy = session.query(Dinosaur).filter_by(name='Steggy').one() print steggy.id session.delete(steggy) session.commit() print steggy.id What I'd ideally like to see is that it first print the id of the row that it pulled from the database, and then print 'None': 30 None Is there any way that I can configure the id column / property so that it is automatically cleared on delete like this? the steggy object is a proxy for a database row. when you delete that row, then commit the transaction, the object is detached from the session, and everything on it is expired. there is no row. check inspect(steggy).deleted, it will say True - that means in your system, the object is meaningless. ideally no part of your program would be looking at that proxy any more, you should throw it away. it means nothing. That makes sense... but if if it really means nothing, and we shouldn't be looking at it, then why keep it's attributes around at all? Particularly since sqlalchemy has already established that it's willing to expire dict members when they may not be valid anymore - ie, what it does to clear any cached values from a row proxy after the session is committed. Of course, you could make the case that other pieces of the program may want to inspect the data that was on there, after the fact... maybe you're going to print out something that says, RIP Steggy, or something - but in that case, the one field that really DOESN'T make any sense in this case (and it seems like it would be a common pattern!) is the one that exists solely as a means to look it up in the database, it's auto-incremented id column. Which is what prompted this question... If not, as a consolation prize, I'd also be interested in the easiest way to query if a given instance exists in the database - ie, I could do something like: session.exists(steggy) OR steggy.exists() from sqlalchemy import inspect def exists(session, obj): state = inspect(obj) return session.query(state.mapper).get(state.identity) is None print exists(sess, a1) Hmm... very interesting. I'll have to read up what what exactly this is doing (ie, what is state.identity?)... It's possibly that inspect(steggy).deleted may just give me what I need though. Thanks for both those tips! (In case you couldn't tell, I'm still new to / exploring sqlalchemy...) ...which, in this case, would simply run a query to see if any dinosaurs exist with the name Steggy. that's totally different. That's a WHERE criterion on the name field, which is not the primary key. that's something specific to your class there. True. There's really no way for a generic exists function to know what conditions you want to query a generic class on to determine existence. Which is why I was suggesting the uniqueness constraint... Needing to set up some extra parameters to make this possible - such as adding a unique constraint on the name column - OK, so you want a function that a. receives an object b. looks for UNIQUE constraints on it c. queries by those unique constraints (I guess you want the first one present? not clear. a table can have a lot of unique constraints on it) that would be: Sort of - the thinking here was that you could just ask, If I tried to insert this object into the table, would it violate any uniqueness constraints?, and get back a boolean result... and you could use that as a reasonable heuristic for determining existence, in a fairly generic way. from sqlalchemy import inspect, UniqueConstraint def exists(session, obj): state = inspect(obj) table = state.mapper.local_table for const in table.constraints: if isinstance(const, UniqueConstraint): crit = and_(*[col == getattr(obj, col.key) for col in const]) return session.query(state.mapper).filter(crit).count() 0 else: return False Yep, it looks like that's doing basically what I was thinking of. Thanks! the unique constraints are a set though. not necessarily deterministic which one it would locate first. I'd use more of some kind of declared system on the class: Not clear on why this matters - if we're iterating through all the constraints, and returning True if any of them is matched, what difference does it make which one is evaluated first? Except potentially from a performance standpoint, I suppose... class X(Base
Re: [sqlalchemy] Automatically set primary key to None when deleted?
Particularly since sqlalchemy has already established that it's willing to expire dict members when they may not be valid anymore - ie, what it does to clear any cached values from a row proxy after the session is committed. well it doesn't expire the deleted object right now because it's been evicted from the Session by the time the commit goes to expire things. Changing that behavior now would definitely bite a lot of people who depend on how it is right now (other people who are also looking at their deleted objects against my recommendations... :) ) Makes sense - maybe it could be a configurable option? Dunno how many people (besides me!) would be interested in such behavior, though... =P from sqlalchemy import inspect def exists(session, obj): state = inspect(obj) return session.query(state.mapper).get(state.identity) is None print exists(sess, a1) Hmm... very interesting. I'll have to read up what what exactly this is doing (ie, what is state.identity?)... it's documented here: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/internals.html?highlight=instancestate#sqlalchemy.orm.state.InstanceState.identity Thanks for the link! the unique constraints are a set though. not necessarily deterministic which one it would locate first. I'd use more of some kind of declared system on the class: Not clear on why this matters - if we're iterating through all the constraints, and returning True if any of them is matched, what difference does it make which one is evaluated first? Except potentially from a performance standpoint, I suppose... what if there are two constraints, and only one is satisfied for a given object's values (e.g. the constraint is now satisfied by some other row), the other one is not present. Is the answer True or False? In the scenario I was envisioning, True (ie, it exists). Basically, Would it violate ANY unique constraints if I tried to insert it? Yes. Of course, I see your point: that in some situations, this might not fit conceptually with the answer to the question, Does THIS object exist in the database? But I guess that's likely your point... that there isn't really a good universal way to answer that question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sqlalchemy] Automatically set cascade settings based on ON DELETE / ON UPDATE when reflecting?
I noticed that sqlalchemy now properly sets the onpudate / ondelete properties of foreign keys when reflecting tables: https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/2183/support-on-delete-update-in-foreign-key However, it doesn't seem to set the cascade properties of relationships to reflect these properties. ie, if the Child table references the Parent table with a foreign key that has ON DELETE CASCADE, and the reference column does not allow NULL, when you delete a parent table that has children, you will get an error, because sqlalchemy will try to set the child's ref to NULL. ideally we should add delete in the relationship's cascade properties (and probably delete-orphan as well), and then set passive_updates=True. Or am I missing something obvious / doing something wrong / etc? - Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sqlalchemy] Automatically set cascade settings based on ON DELETE / ON UPDATE when reflecting?
I wasn't advocating making this connection in general (though I like the autoconfigure option!), but only specifically for the case of reflection - in this case, we know the DB supports it, and it would result in a better python interface to the already existing tables. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Mike Bayer mike...@zzzcomputing.com wrote: On 7/3/14, 6:15 PM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 7/3/14, 5:45 PM, Paul Molodowitch wrote: I noticed that sqlalchemy now properly sets the onpudate / ondelete properties of foreign keys when reflecting tables: https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/2183/support-on-delete-update-in-foreign-key However, it doesn't seem to set the cascade properties of relationships to reflect these properties. ie, if the Child table references the Parent table with a foreign key that has ON DELETE CASCADE, and the reference column does not allow NULL, when you delete a parent table that has children, you will get an error, because sqlalchemy will try to set the child's ref to NULL. ideally we should add delete in the relationship's cascade properties (and probably delete-orphan as well), and then set passive_updates=True. Or am I missing something obvious / doing something wrong / etc? the configuration of a Column or ForeignKey has never been directly linked to how relationship() gets configured. passive_updates in particular is a thorny one as not every database supports ON UPDATE CASCADE, but for that matter not every database even supports ON DELETE CASCADE. There's also lots of variants to ON UPDATE and ON DELETE and SQLAlchemy has no awareness of any of these directly. If we were to explore some automatic configuration of relationship based on these attributes of ForeignKey, it would take place within the automap extension: see http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/extensions/automap.html. There are also recipes such that both relationship() and ForeignKey() are generated at once, these are also good places for this kind of thing to happen. See https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/pycon2014_atmcraft/src/a6d96575bc497ce0c952bb81db9c05d054c98bb5/atmcraft/model/meta/orm.py?at=master for an example of this, I still am thinking of a way recipes like this could also be integrated into SQLAlchemy, possibly as an enhancement to declarative. or a flag like autoconfigure=True on relationship(). this would also set up innerjoin=True for joined eager loading if the FK is not null. if the primaryjoin condition is too complex (has mulitple FKs), autoconfigure would raise an exception. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sqlalchemy/WaVTCpBOVPk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sqlalchemy] Automatically set primary key to None when deleted?
Suppose I have a super simple table like this: class Dinosaur(Base): __tablename__ = 'dinosaurs' id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True) name = Column(String(255)) We assume that the id is set up in such a way that by default it always gets a unique value - ie, it uses autoincrement in MySQL, or a sequence in postgres, etc. Now, suppose I get an instance of this class, and then delete it: steggy = session.query(Dinosaur).filter_by(name='Steggy').one() print steggy.id session.delete(steggy) session.commit() print steggy.id What I'd ideally like to see is that it first print the id of the row that it pulled from the database, and then print 'None': 30 None Is there any way that I can configure the id column / property so that it is automatically cleared on delete like this? If not, as a consolation prize, I'd also be interested in the easiest way to query if a given instance exists in the database - ie, I could do something like: session.exists(steggy) OR steggy.exists() ...which, in this case, would simply run a query to see if any dinosaurs exist with the name Steggy. Needing to set up some extra parameters to make this possible - such as adding a unique constraint on the name column - would be potentially possible. And yes, I know I can always fall back on just manually constructing a query against the name field myself... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sqlalchemy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sqlalchemy+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sqlalchemy@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sqlalchemy. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
