Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[Michael Herger]

One open question is if the library id in the database for a library
ever changes, for example after rescan or upgrade of LMS. It’s important


IDs should remain. Plugins can define their own. Virtual libraries 
created using advanced search have something like advSrch_1421096676 - 
where the number is a timestamp. That's my personal library. It's been 
around for six years, and has served me well on several installations (4-5).



Is there any control which order the libraries are refreshed after a
rescan ?


There at least must have been a concept of priority at some point:
https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/blob/f8b2e48ca9d7f908fde991f4e4a1f3ac32ca19f3/Slim/Music/VirtualLibraries.pm#L37

That said... I guess you'd have to modify the prefs file to define it if 
you don't use a plugin to define the library.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[philippe_44]

typecrazy789 wrote: 
> Ah, thanks - now I get it. Let me know if this is what you need:
> 
> 
> [18:15:58.715] _SyncNotifState:668 foobar2000 Renderer (admin)
> [FISHERVER]: uPNP playing
> [18:15:59.215] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMs] msplayed 0
> [18:16:26.946] output_http_thread:372 [0050DBEC]: end thread 0 (9601024
> bytes)
> [18:16:26.947] AVTStop:216 [004C2FCC]: uPNP stop (cookie 0070)
> [18:16:27.217] _SyncNotifState:640 [004C2FCC]: uPNP stop
> [18:16:27.378] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
> [18:16:27.378] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
> transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
> [18:16:27.378] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 0
> [18:16:27.415] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 0
> [18:16:27.415] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
>   artist:Buddy Holly
>   album:The Great Buddy Holly
>   title:Modern Don Juan
>   genre:50s
>   duration:159.825
>   size:0
>   cover:
>   offset:0
> [18:16:27.415] sq_callback:372 [004C2FCC]: set current URI (s:0)
> http://192.168.0.113:57591/bridge-6.flac
> [18:16:27.415] AVTSetURI:90 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setURI
> http://192.168.0.113:57591/bridge-6.flac (cookie 0072)
> [18:16:27.415] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
> [18:16:27.425] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 0
> [18:16:27.491] AVTSetPlayMode:166 [004C2FCC]: uPNP set play mode (cookie
> 0073)
> [18:16:27.491] AVTPlay:150 [004C2FCC]: uPNP play (cookie 0074)
> [18:16:27.491] CtrlSetVolume:244 [004C2FCC]: uPNP volume 94 (cookie
> 0074)
> [18:16:27.502] output_http_thread:140 [0050DBEC]: got HTTP connection
> 716
> [18:16:27.552] output_http_thread:169 [0050DBEC]: drain is 2621440
> (waited 140)
> [18:16:27.552] handle_http:467 [0050DBEC]: received GET /bridge-6.flac
> HTTP/1.1
> [18:16:27.552] handle_http:470 [0050DBEC]: HTTP headers
> Host: 192.168.0.113:57591
> Connection: close
> User-Agent: foobar2000/1.6.3
> Accept: */*
> Icy-MetaData: 1
> 
> [18:16:27.552] handle_http:562 [0050DBEC]: responding:
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Server: squeezebox-bridge
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: audio/flac
> Transfer-Encoding: chunked
> 
> 
> [18:16:32.718] _SyncNotifState:668 foobar2000 Renderer (admin)
> [FISHERVER]: uPNP playing
> [18:16:32.718] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMs] msplayed 0
> [18:17:51.394] output_http_thread:289 [0050DBEC]: draining (14057472
> bytes)
> [18:17:51.394] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMd] msplayed 81000
> [18:17:51.477] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
> [18:17:51.477] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
> transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
> [18:17:51.477] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 81000
> [18:17:51.485] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 1
> [18:17:51.485] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
>   artist:Dale Hawkins
>   album:Legends of Guitar: Rock The 50s Vol. 1
>   title:Susie-Q
>   genre:50s
>   duration:132.432
>   size:0
>   cover:
>   offset:1
> [18:17:51.485] sq_callback:366 [004C2FCC]: next URI gapless
> http://192.168.0.113:58320/bridge-7.flac
> [18:17:51.485] AVTSetNextURI:111 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setNextURI
> http://192.168.0.113:58320/bridge-7.flac (cookie 0104)
> [18:17:51.485] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
> [18:17:51.486] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 81000
> [18:17:57.778] output_http_thread:241 [0050DBEC]: self-exit 
> [18:17:57.778] output_http_thread:372 [0050DBEC]: end thread 0 (14569502
> bytes)
> [18:18:57.185] output_http_thread:140 [0050DBEC]: got HTTP connection
> 716
> [18:18:57.185] output_http_thread:169 [0050DBEC]: drain is 2621440
> (waited 65708)
> [18:18:57.186] handle_http:467 [0050DBEC]: received GET /bridge-7.flac
> HTTP/1.1
> [18:18:57.186] handle_http:470 [0050DBEC]: HTTP headers
> Host: 192.168.0.113:58320
> Connection: close
> User-Agent: foobar2000/1.6.3
> Accept: */*
> Icy-MetaData: 1
> 
> [18:18:57.186] handle_http:562 [0050DBEC]: responding:
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Server: squeezebox-bridge
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: audio/flac
> Transfer-Encoding: chunked

Please try version 1.49.0 and with flac transcoding and tell me if it
helps



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

mherger wrote: 
> I'm sorry, I was too busy the past few days to follow up with this 
> lengthy discussion...
> 
One open question is if the library id in the database for a library
ever changes, for example after rescan or upgrade of LMS. It’s important
if anyone would be interested to use the id in my SQL based plugins to
limit content to a virtual library. I guess its set once and never
changes but it would be good to know for sure. 

The remaining part of the discussion is really about additional browse
menus for classical music, not sure its worth for you to get involved in
that at this time unless you have planned to add improvements for
classical music to the core of LMS.

mherger wrote: 
> 
> 
> > Could make sense to add support for creating a library defined as
> “not
> > in library=xxx†or “not in searchâ€. I suspect that would be fairly
> easy
> > to add to LMS core and it can be quite useful if you want to divide
> your
> > main library and want a library that contain the remaining parts.
> Donâ€[emoji769]t
> 
> This certainly can be done. But it might need the help of a plugin to do
> 
> it. You can implement any logic you want, as long as it creates a 
> library ID -> track ID tuple.

Is there any control which order the libraries are refreshed after a
rescan ?

For a plugin to implement a “not in library” logic it has to be sure
that it’s done after all normal libraries have been refreshed. 

I guess a hack would be for a plugin to read the prefs and execute the
sql for dependent libraries itself to ensure they are refreshed first
but that would mean that they are refreshed multiple times.



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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Trying to listen WMA files failed through stream.

[caball]

Hello all,

I'm encounter difficulties with playing Windows media files with latest
version of LMS  ( Version: 8.1.1 - 1610364019 @ Thu Jan 14 06:22:21 CET
2021 )

I use *http;//MyServerIP:9000/stream.mp3* for listening via network
stream from LMS server on my computer or mobile phone.

Actually there is no sound and progress bar returns to 0:00 after a
while.

LMS is running  on Debian Buster and neither distro provided binary of
ffmpeg nor self compiled from source latest build worked for me.

In my living room I have Raspberry Pi with PiCore player ( latest
version ) and I can listen there same WMA files via squeezelite player.
However streaming form PiCore is also broken so I guess that converting
WMA-->mp3 is something broken.

Here is the excerpt from the log file.


Code:

[21-01-28 08:58:40.5834] Slim::Player::Song::open (567) Tokenized command: 
"/usr/bin/ffmpeg" -loglevel quiet "/music/music/mp3/DVD11/Kroda/Kroda/Molotom 
Duhu ta Ednistyu Krovi 2006/kroda (ukr) - velimor - molotom duhu ta ednistyu 
krovi - 01.wma"  -i "/music/music/mp3/DVD11/Kroda/Kroda/Molotom Duhu ta 
Ednistyu Krovi 2006/kroda (ukr) - velimor - molotom duhu ta ednistyu krovi - 
01.wma" -f wav - | "/usr/bin/lame" --silent -q 0 - - & |
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6822] Slim::Player::SongStreamController::new (30) live=2
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6828] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1282) 
10.10.8.6: stream
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6833] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1319) 
Song queue is now 0
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6835] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state BUFFERING
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6837] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingState (2386) new streaming 
state STREAMING
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6840] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2377) new playing state PLAYING
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6842] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (368) 
Song 0 has now started playing
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6847] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Playing (397) 
Song queue is now 0
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6850] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction 
(302) 10.10.8.6: NextTrackReady - new state PLAYING-STREAMING
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6853] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction 
(302) 10.10.8.6: Play - new state PLAYING-STREAMING
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.6958] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playingSongElapsed (1745) songtime=57.7536 
from byterate=4, duration=111.734, bytesReceived=2310144, fullness=0, 
startStream=0
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7148] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playingSongElapsed (1745) songtime=57.7536 
from byterate=4, duration=111.734, bytesReceived=2310144, fullness=0, 
startStream=0
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7158] Slim::Utils::Prefs::maxRate (819) Setting maxBitRate 
for foobar2000 from 10.10.8.6 to: 320
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7162] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (264) 
Checking formats for: wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7164] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (231) 
Checking to see if wma-mp3-*-* is enabled
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7167] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (239) 
There are 3 disabled formats...
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7169] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wma-wma-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7171] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wmal-wmal-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7173] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wmap-wmap-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7175] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (272)
enabled
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7177] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (274)   
Found command: [ffmpeg] -loglevel quiet $PATH$  -i $FILE$ -f wav - | [lame] 
--silent -q $QUALITY$ $BITRATE$ - -
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7180] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand2 
(488) Matched: wma->mp3 via: [ffmpeg] -loglevel quiet $PATH$  -i $FILE$ -f wav 
- | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ $BITRATE$ - -
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7184] Slim::Utils::Prefs::maxRate (819) Setting maxBitRate 
for foobar2000 from 10.10.8.6 to: 320
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7187] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (264) 
Checking formats for: wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7189] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (231) 
Checking to see if wma-mp3-*-* is enabled
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7191] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (239) 
There are 3 disabled formats...
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7193] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wma-wma-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7195] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wmal-wmal-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7197] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (245) 
Testing wmap-wmap-*-* vs wma-mp3-*-*
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7199] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (272)
enabled
  [21-01-28 08:58:40.7201] 

Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New in 7.9.2: Presets editor

[Paul Webster]

Seems like something useful for a setup with multiple players as long as
the users cooperate.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[Michael Herger]

I'm sorry, I was too busy the past few days to follow up with this 
lengthy discussion...



Could make sense to add support for creating a library defined as “not
in library=xxx” or “not in search”. I suspect that would be fairly easy
to add to LMS core and it can be quite useful if you want to divide your
main library and want a library that contain the remaining parts. Don’t


This certainly can be done. But it might need the help of a plugin to do 
it. You can implement any logic you want, as long as it creates a 
library ID -> track ID tuple.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> I also have to change Album Names to a consistent form so that I can
> skim through them "Composer - Work(s) - Work Artist(s)" (clearly that
> doesn't work for mixed composer albums, but it helps for others). That's
> one of the reasons why I keep the original SetId.  
> 

Is album critical for browsing classical music or would it make sense to
use ALBUM tag to represent the recording, so for a mixed composer/work
release you would use multiple ALBUM tags ? Basically use ALBUM tag for
the information previously mentioned in the thread as RECORDING if I’m
getting this right ?

I get the feeling that the actual packaging on a CD is less interesting
for classical music compared to pop/rock music. For classical I suspect
the interesting group of tracks to keep together is rather the work or
recording.

The album could still make sense when structuring the files on disc to
be able to find the physical CD a track was ripped from but I suspect it
isn’t really critical when selecting what to play.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] NPR Hourly News Podcast HTTP/1.1 400 BAD REQUEST - Can't Play

[philippe_44]

SteveLazer wrote: 
> That's excellent philippe, thank you! Looking forward to that update. I
> just discovered another major podcast that can no longer play - The NY
> Times Daily Podcast
> http://feeds.podtrac.com/zKq6WZZLTlbM

The 8.1.2 nightly now has the update - can you check?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

dolodobendan wrote: 
> I define RECORDING as [Soloist/s=ARTIST / ] Conductor=ARTIST if no
> Soloist / Orchestra=BAND[ (RECYEAR)]
> 
> RECYEAR is not used in any menu. It's for building RECORDING, nothing
> else. RECORDING depends on the genre:
> 
Can RECORDING always be created based on other tags using a predefined
algorithm?
Or are there cases where a human would need to manually phrase the value
of RECORDING?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> Looking at Library Views again I'm not sure I can find a way to find
> everything that isn't classical.  The problem is that all Classical
> tracks also have other genres, so 'not Classical' returns everything.
> 

Could make sense to add support for creating a library defined as “not
in library=xxx” or “not in search”. I suspect that would be fairly easy
to add to LMS core and it can be quite useful if you want to divide your
main library and want a library that contain the remaining parts. Don’t
remember if advanced search is able to search for “not in genre=xxx”, if
it supports that it’s also a solution. This kind of functionality can be
very useful to get rid of music you don’t want to see when browsing or
playing random mixes so to me if would make sense to add support for it
in the core if it isn’t there already. Often it can be easier to do a
search/query for the stuff you want to skip than the stuff you want to
include.

Michael will have to say if it’s feasible.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] NPR Hourly News Podcast HTTP/1.1 400 BAD REQUEST - Can't Play

[SteveLazer]

philippe_44 wrote: 
> I've found the issue and proposed a PR
> https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/pull/521 

That's excellent philippe, thank you! Looking forward to that update. I
just discovered another major podcast that can no longer play - The NY
Times Daily Podcast
http://feeds.podtrac.com/zKq6WZZLTlbM



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New in 7.9.2: Presets editor

[Michael Herger]

Code:

 presets: *5



So... today I learned that * are used to create references within a a 
yaml file. Somehow the data structure in LMS must have become corrupted, 
creating references between some players instead of copies. I highly 
suspect the SettingsManager plugin. If it was in core LMS, we'd have 
these kinds of issues much more often.


In Perl this can happen quickly, if you eg. simply say "sync preference 
a on player 1 with preference a on player 2", and you implement this by 
assigning the same value whenever "a" changes. If "a" happens to be a 
reference to a data structure rather than a scalar (simple value), you 
don't copy the values, but a reference to that other data structure.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[DanielTheGreat]

mrw wrote: 
> What happens if you simply resume playback, i.e. "unpause" by taking the
> pause option again ?

MR,

Sorry for my lack of clarity (and your unfamiliarity with the feature
I'm talking about) – it is '*Sleep*' at end of song, not pause.  So it
can't be 'un-paused', but playing has to be re-started with the Play
button.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[DanielTheGreat]

CJS wrote: 
> Most probably because you are using an LMS version from a nightly
> branch...

CJ,

Thanks for this info.  I don't know how/why, but yes, it does appear I
am on a nightly update cycle (Version: 8.1.2 - 1611648472 @ Tue Jan 26
10:26:54 WEST 2021).  I shall now download the stable release and wait
till the the sleep bug is (hopefully) fixed in the next stable release!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[DanielTheGreat]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> ... and detailed logging ...

Paul,

Thanks for your reply.  

I'm happy to re-post my complaint in a new thread, but could you please
elaborate on the 'detailed logging' request – what exactly should I do
to get detailed logging?  (I'm just a 'basic user', not an expert in all
things LMS!)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

PasTim wrote: 
> There are additional tags for use with MinimServer so that it can at
> least recognise Works (as Groups), acting as a backup to LMS. 
> foobar2000 can also make some sense of it all. 
> 

Would you be able to live with similar browsing features that you get
with MinimServer and foobar2000 in case my plugins stops working ?
Just asking to understand if we have a minimum feature set that could be
the start of something new. Trying to solve it all is likely going to be
too much work for someone to get interested in doing something so I
think the key is to find the baby steps that takes us into the right
direction.
How are you able to browse with MinimServer and/or foobar2000 ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

PasTim wrote: 
> What we have for the moment works really, really well. 
> 
Is the custom tags you use understood and used by any other software
except for LMS ? Which one ?
Is there any integration with online sources in any tagging tools to set
the custom tags semi automatically or is it something you need to set
completely manually yourself ?

I’m asking because if the tags are only used by LMS it might actually be
preferred to store them in a database or similar instead of storing them
in the tags. Storing them in a database would make it a lot simpler to
build a managing app that could make it a lot easier to categorize your
library. Could be a separate app from LMS developed in a modern
programming language and integrated with a small Perl plugin. Kind of
similar to what we tried to do with Social Music Discovery
(socialmucicdiscovery.org) a long time ago.

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> I would guess that everyone else with some interest in this sort of
> thing would have their own ideas and thousands of tracks already tagged,
> so getting agreement might be tricky, to say the least.
> 
> I suspect I am an outlier.
> 
You might be right but unless classical lovers can agree on something it
also means that when my plugins stops working (which eventually is going
to happen) you don’t have a working system at all to browse you music.
Or is there any competing system that’s able to use and browse your
classical library using your custom tags ?
It’s probably easier to attract the interest of a developer now when
this community is still alive than wait a few years until my plugins
have stopped working even more people have moved on to something else.

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> As I may have said on another thread my listening is becoming limited
> due to hearing problems.
> 
I completely understand if you personally don’t want to invest
significant time into it. I’m posting this in the forum in the hope to
wake up other people with similar interest, hopefully there is someone
out there with time and interest to do something about the situation. I
wish I could do something myself because it is an interesting challenge
but unfortunately my family situation doesn’t allow it right now. It
would probably also be preferred if it was done by someone interested in
classical music and not by someone like me who owns about 10 classical
albums. I selected the path to make something very configurable because
that could be used for other things too since I didn’t really have much
use for a dedicated classical music plugin myself.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[CJS]

yeldahtron wrote: 
> Logitech Media Server Version: 8.1.0 - 1608700893 @ Wed Dec 23 12:02:03
> WEST 2020
> Windows 10.
In that case you can expect to get update notifications for version
8.1.1 - 1610364019 that was released on Jan 14 2021.
How did you conclude that you get update notifications for the nightly
builds branch? Nightly builds would be version 8.1.2 - xx.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

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philippe_44 wrote: 
> Set it to "none"

Ah, thanks - now I get it. Let me know if this is what you need:


[18:15:58.715] _SyncNotifState:668 foobar2000 Renderer (admin)
[FISHERVER]: uPNP playing
[18:15:59.215] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMs] msplayed 0
[18:16:26.946] output_http_thread:372 [0050DBEC]: end thread 0 (9601024
bytes)
[18:16:26.947] AVTStop:216 [004C2FCC]: uPNP stop (cookie 0070)
[18:16:27.217] _SyncNotifState:640 [004C2FCC]: uPNP stop
[18:16:27.378] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
[18:16:27.378] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
[18:16:27.378] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 0
[18:16:27.415] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 0
[18:16:27.415] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
artist:Buddy Holly
album:The Great Buddy Holly
title:Modern Don Juan
genre:50s
duration:159.825
size:0
cover:
offset:0
[18:16:27.415] sq_callback:372 [004C2FCC]: set current URI (s:0)
http://192.168.0.113:57591/bridge-6.flac
[18:16:27.415] AVTSetURI:90 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setURI
http://192.168.0.113:57591/bridge-6.flac (cookie 0072)
[18:16:27.415] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
[18:16:27.425] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 0
[18:16:27.491] AVTSetPlayMode:166 [004C2FCC]: uPNP set play mode (cookie
0073)
[18:16:27.491] AVTPlay:150 [004C2FCC]: uPNP play (cookie 0074)
[18:16:27.491] CtrlSetVolume:244 [004C2FCC]: uPNP volume 94 (cookie
0074)
[18:16:27.502] output_http_thread:140 [0050DBEC]: got HTTP connection
716
[18:16:27.552] output_http_thread:169 [0050DBEC]: drain is 2621440
(waited 140)
[18:16:27.552] handle_http:467 [0050DBEC]: received GET /bridge-6.flac
HTTP/1.1
[18:16:27.552] handle_http:470 [0050DBEC]: HTTP headers
Host: 192.168.0.113:57591
Connection: close
User-Agent: foobar2000/1.6.3
Accept: */*
Icy-MetaData: 1

[18:16:27.552] handle_http:562 [0050DBEC]: responding:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: squeezebox-bridge
Connection: close
Content-Type: audio/flac
Transfer-Encoding: chunked


[18:16:32.718] _SyncNotifState:668 foobar2000 Renderer (admin)
[FISHERVER]: uPNP playing
[18:16:32.718] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMs] msplayed 0
[18:17:51.394] output_http_thread:289 [0050DBEC]: draining (14057472
bytes)
[18:17:51.394] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMd] msplayed 81000
[18:17:51.477] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
[18:17:51.477] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
[18:17:51.477] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 81000
[18:17:51.485] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 1
[18:17:51.485] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
artist:Dale Hawkins
album:Legends of Guitar: Rock The 50s Vol. 1
title:Susie-Q
genre:50s
duration:132.432
size:0
cover:
offset:1
[18:17:51.485] sq_callback:366 [004C2FCC]: next URI gapless
http://192.168.0.113:58320/bridge-7.flac
[18:17:51.485] AVTSetNextURI:111 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setNextURI
http://192.168.0.113:58320/bridge-7.flac (cookie 0104)
[18:17:51.485] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
[18:17:51.486] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 81000
[18:17:57.778] output_http_thread:241 [0050DBEC]: self-exit 
[18:17:57.778] output_http_thread:372 [0050DBEC]: end thread 0 (14569502
bytes)
[18:18:57.185] output_http_thread:140 [0050DBEC]: got HTTP connection
716
[18:18:57.185] output_http_thread:169 [0050DBEC]: drain is 2621440
(waited 65708)
[18:18:57.186] handle_http:467 [0050DBEC]: received GET /bridge-7.flac
HTTP/1.1
[18:18:57.186] handle_http:470 [0050DBEC]: HTTP headers
Host: 192.168.0.113:58320
Connection: close
User-Agent: foobar2000/1.6.3
Accept: */*
Icy-MetaData: 1

[18:18:57.186] handle_http:562 [0050DBEC]: responding:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: squeezebox-bridge
Connection: close
Content-Type: audio/flac
Transfer-Encoding: chunked



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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PasTim wrote: 
> Interesting.  How do you define 'RECORDING'?  I use 'WORK ARTIST' as
> conductor in symphonies,  soloist in Concertos and Vocal works, and so
> on.  I do have several recordings by the same Work Artist on the same
> Work, but I live with it.  The track info includes the year (I use year
> of recording, NOT the album year which I don't care about), which
> usually means I know which is which.

I define RECORDING as [Soloist/s=ARTIST / ] Conductor=ARTIST if no
Soloist / Orchestra=BAND[ (RECYEAR)]

RECYEAR is not used in any menu. It's for building RECORDING, nothing
else. RECORDING depends on the genre:

Symphony: Keith Clark / Pacific SO (1981)
Piano Concerto: Hamish Milne / Brabbins / BBC Scottish SO (1999)
Violin Sonata: Viktoria Mullova & Pyotr Anderszewski (1994)
Opera: Pons, Stefano, Valdengo (1950, live) This is not perfect, but I
want to keep it as short as possible.

It's just one click in mp3tag to create or change RECORDING.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

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typecrazy789 wrote: 
> Sorry, I'm not seeing where to turn "extra" off - can you let me know
> which option to set and how you want the parameters? Right now it's just
> set to stream debugging.

Set it to "none"



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New router from ISP severs my LMS connection?

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d6jg wrote: 
> Tidal should work if your LMS is working again.

And out of nowhere, it started working. The update required message
disappeared, even though my server is Version: 8.0.0.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[PasTim]

dolodobendan wrote: 
> >   >   > 
  - Menus need one or better two additional levels (Menu example:
  > Genre -> Composer -> Work -> Recording)
  - At least two new tags are needed: WORK and RECORDING (or call it
  > work artist, but good luck with trying that with the aforementioned
  > 9th symph and Karajan)
  > > > 
> 
> I'm trying to build a simple plugin that lets you define the levels
> like this
> 
> 1. Menu name [ TEST ] 
> |_> Level 1 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 2 [ WORK ] -> Level 3 [ RECORDING
> ]-> Level 4 [ ]
> |_> Level 1 [ GENRE ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ]
> -> Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
> |_> Level 1 [ ARTIST ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ]
> -> Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
> |_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]
> 2. Menu name [ ] 
> |_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]
> 
> and then automatically includes the custom tags used here in the scan
> and builds the menus. But it's progressing very slowly as I'm just
> learning perl.
Interesting.  How do you define 'RECORDING'?  I use 'WORK ARTIST' as
conductor in symphonies,  soloist in Concertos and Vocal works, and so
on.  I do have several recordings by the same Work Artist on the same
Work, but I live with it.  The track info includes the year (I use year
of recording, NOT the album year which I don't care about), which
usually means I know which is which.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

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philippe_44 wrote: 
> Yes but I don't need extra debug info (don't set any "extra debugging")
> and I need a bit more of the log, like 2 tracks

Sorry, I'm not seeing where to turn "extra" off - can you let me know
which option to set and how you want the parameters? Right now it's just
set to stream debugging.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New in 7.9.2: Presets editor

[astehn]

mherger wrote: 
> > Would you have an example of before/after?

Here are the presets values from server.prefs for a single Radio before
and after:

BEFORE

Code:

presets: *5



AFTER (blank but with values that I think were created by the Presets
Editor Plugin, whose GUI has 10 entries for presets)

Code:

  presets:
  - {}
  - {}
  - {}
  - {}
  - {}
  - URL: ''
  text: ''
  type: audio
  - {}
  - {}
  - {}
  - {}
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[dolodobendan]

erland wrote: 
> agree on which features that are missing today.


- Menus need one or better two additional levels (Menu example: Genre
  -> Composer -> Work -> Recording)
- At least two new tags are needed: WORK and RECORDING (or call it
  work artist, but good luck with trying that with the aforementioned
  9th symph and Karajan)
  

I'm trying to build a simple plugin that lets you define the levels like
this

1. Menu name [ TEST ] 
|_> Level 1 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 2 [ WORK ] -> Level 3 [ RECORDING
]-> Level 4 [ ]
|_> Level 1 [ GENRE ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ] ->
Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
|_> Level 1 [ ARTIST ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ] ->
Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
|_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]
2. Menu name [ ] 
|_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]

and then automatically includes the custom tags used here in the scan
and builds the menus. But it's progressing very slowly as I'm just
learning perl.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[PasTim]

erland wrote: 
> Which custom tags scanned with Custom Scan plugins are used with your
> menus ? Is it just WORK and MOVEMENT ?
> 
> Do you use all 22 menus or is there some you can live without ?
> 
> 
> 
> Completely agree, that’s why I said that I think customizing Custom
> Browse SQL configuration to use virtual libraries is wasted time. People
> that rely on Custom Browse/Custom Scan need to specify more clearly how
> they use them so it’s possible for someone to implement new
> functionality in LMS core or new third party plugin to offer the
> required functionality. A new plugin for classic music with the most
> important features could make sense, I’m pretty sure there are more
> people interested in this. It can be significantly more hard coded
> compared to Custom Browse/Custom Scan which means less code/work, as
> long as people interested in classical music can agree what’s needed. I
> suspect adding support for classical music is going to be too much work
> to be included in LMS core but possibly some additions could be done in
> the core to make it easier for the plugin developer.
> 
> Using virtual library to separate classical music from all other music
> still makes sense but that does not solve your problem.
> 
> 
> I suspect the library id doesn’t change but Michael or someone else
> need to say for sure. However, I still think your best solution is to
> continue using Multi Library (as long as it works) if you need all these
> menus and instead spend the time to gather people interested in
> classical music and agree on which features that are missing today.
Thanks, agreed.

I have Custom Tags for Work, Movement, Work Artist, SetId (the number on
the LP/CD/etc), Source (CD, LP, DL for Download, etc), Rating, and
Created (date the entry was created in my library).  I also use Mixed
Tags.  The menus mainly use Work, Movement, Work Artist and Rating,
although I have another general one that searches by SetId.

I suspect that the first 5 and one or two others would work with library
views (particularly now we have Additional Browse Modes), but the rest
depend on custom (and mixed) tags.  They are, I think, fairly self
explanatory.  Composers by Artist provides a search by (Track) Artist,
to Composer, to Works, to Movements  The track rating Works and
Movements are based on 90+ being top rated,  80+ being rated, and 60
being 'to be investigated' (new stuff I haven't got round to enough).
Menus generally allow me to Play All once the likely number of tracks
might be manageable (but that doesn't always work out well!).

I use most of the menus below Browse depending on what I feel like or
what takes my fancy.

I have 28,000+ classical tracks, and 3,200+ others.  Retagging according
to another plan would be really quite difficult.  All my tagging is done
with the help of quite extensive programming in the taggers (puddletag
and Mp3tag).  For instance, Work and Movement are combined to make
title, and also the file name. Sort forms of most tags are created,
taking account of all the usual issues to do with prefixes like 'The'
and so on.  There are additional tags for use with MinimServer so that
it can at least recognise Works (as Groups), acting as a backup to LMS. 
foobar2000 can also make some sense of it all.  

I have to ignore manufacturer's tags because they are so inconsistent. 
I am nerd enough to want Beethoven's Symphony number 9 to always be Work
"Symphony No.9 in Dmi Op.125", and each movement to always have the
exact same name, eg "Symphony No.9 in Dmi Op.125 - 1. Allegro ma non
troppo, un poco maestoso" .  That way I can select that Work by name and
find all performances by each Work Artist.  I also have to change Album
Names to a consistent form so that I can skim through them "Composer -
Work(s) - Work Artist(s)" (clearly that doesn't work for mixed composer
albums, but it helps for others). That's one of the reasons why I keep
the original SetId.  

Looking at Library Views again I'm not sure I can find a way to find
everything that isn't classical.  The problem is that all Classical
tracks also have other genres, so 'not Classical' returns everything.

As I may have said on another thread my listening is becoming limited
due to hearing problems.   I don't know if I could put in the required
effort to specify and/or develop something new.  What we have for the
moment works really, really well.  I would guess that everyone else with
some interest in this sort of thing would have their own ideas and
thousands of tracks already tagged, so getting agreement might be
tricky, to say the least.

I suspect I am an outlier.

I'd be interested in Michael's views.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] cue files and artist display problem

[a491765]

Up please, anyone have a clue how to did this ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to download detailed information about the currently played track via html

[payong]

OK. I'm after testing comunnication by Visual Studio C# application and
everything works fine. Now i'll try to port this solution to arduino
ide.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[philippe_44]

typecrazy789 wrote: 
> So like this? I'm not sure where to start and stop it, so just guessed.
> This is playing now, worked perfectly coming out of another FLAC and
> into another FLAC:
> 
> [15:08:19.880] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 25468 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 14600 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 10868 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 14600 bytes
> [15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 5929 bytes
> [15:08:20.282] stream_thread:411 [0050DBEC] end of stream (t:15363253)
> [15:09:47.592] output_http_thread:289 [0050DBEC]: draining (14843904
> bytes)
> [15:09:47.593] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMd] msplayed 119000
> [15:09:47.789] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
> [15:09:47.789] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
> transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
> [15:09:47.789] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 119000
> [15:09:47.820] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 0
> [15:09:47.820] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
>   artist:Chuck Jackson
>   album:I Don't Want To Cry
>   title:I Don't Want To Cry
>   genre:60s
>   duration:137.973
>   size:0
>   cover:
>   offset:1
> [15:09:47.820] sq_callback:366 [004C2FCC]: next URI gapless
> http://192.168.0.113:51625/bridge-74.flac
> [15:09:47.820] AVTSetNextURI:111 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setNextURI
> http://192.168.0.113:51625/bridge-74.flac (cookie 4939)
> [15:09:47.821] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
> [15:09:47.821] connect_socket:155 [0050DBEC] connecting to
> 192.168.0.113:9000
> [15:09:47.831] stream_sock:589 [0050DBEC] header: GET
> /stream.mp3?player=bb:bb:f6:56:61:23 HTTP/1.0
> 
> 
> [15:09:47.831] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 119000
> [15:09:47.891] stream_thread:337 [0050DBEC] headers: len: 493
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Server: Logitech Media Server (8.1.2 - 1611648472)
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: audio/x-flac
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-albumView=; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expandPlayerControl=true; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-MY_MUSIC=1; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-FAVORITES=0; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGINS=0; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGIN_MY_APPS_MODULE_NAME=1; path=/
> Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-RADIO=1; path=/
> 
> 
> [15:09:47.934] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 8760 bytes
> [15:09:47.934] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 24008 bytes
> [15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 21900 bytes
> [15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 10868 bytes
> [15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
> [15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
> [15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 18168 bytes

Yes but I don't need extra debug info (don't set any "extra debugging")
and I need a bit more of the log, like 2 tracks



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[yeldahtron]

mherger wrote: 
> > I installed LMS 8.1, and I have been getting frequent update requests
> > ever since I installed it.
> 8.1.0? 8.1.1? 8.1.2? What OS?


Logitech Media Server Version: 8.1.0 - 1608700893 @ Wed Dec 23 12:02:03
WEST 2020

Windows 10.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[typecrazy789]

philippe_44 wrote: 
> Can you send a log of upnpbridge when LMS sends flac natively? I think
> you said that this works just fine so I'd like to see a similar log to
> the one I posted above to comapre timings

So like this? I'm not sure where to start and stop it, so just guessed.
This is playing now, worked perfectly coming out of another FLAC and
into another FLAC:

[15:08:19.880] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 25468 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 14600 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 10868 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 14600 bytes
[15:08:19.881] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 5929 bytes
[15:08:20.282] stream_thread:411 [0050DBEC] end of stream (t:15363253)
[15:09:47.592] output_http_thread:289 [0050DBEC]: draining (14843904
bytes)
[15:09:47.593] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMd] msplayed 119000
[15:09:47.789] process_strm:238 [0050DBEC] strm command s
[15:09:47.789] process_strm:307 [0050DBEC], strm s autostart: 1
transition period: 10 transition type: 0 codec: f
[15:09:47.789] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMf] msplayed 119000
[15:09:47.820] output_start:81 [0050DBEC]: start thread 0
[15:09:47.820] sq_callback:336 [004C2FCC]:
artist:Chuck Jackson
album:I Don't Want To Cry
title:I Don't Want To Cry
genre:60s
duration:137.973
size:0
cover:
offset:1
[15:09:47.820] sq_callback:366 [004C2FCC]: next URI gapless
http://192.168.0.113:51625/bridge-74.flac
[15:09:47.820] AVTSetNextURI:111 [004C2FCC]: uPNP setNextURI
http://192.168.0.113:51625/bridge-74.flac (cookie 4939)
[15:09:47.821] process_start:1195 [0050DBEC]: codec:c, ch:0, s:0, r:0
[15:09:47.821] connect_socket:155 [0050DBEC] connecting to
192.168.0.113:9000
[15:09:47.831] stream_sock:589 [0050DBEC] header: GET
/stream.mp3?player=bb:bb:f6:56:61:23 HTTP/1.0


[15:09:47.831] sendSTAT:169 [0050DBEC]: STAT:[STMc] msplayed 119000
[15:09:47.891] stream_thread:337 [0050DBEC] headers: len: 493
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Logitech Media Server (8.1.2 - 1611648472)
Connection: close
Content-Type: audio/x-flac
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-albumView=; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expandPlayerControl=true; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-MY_MUSIC=1; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-FAVORITES=0; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGINS=0; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-PLUGIN_MY_APPS_MODULE_NAME=1; path=/
Set-Cookie: Squeezebox-expanded-RADIO=1; path=/


[15:09:47.934] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 8760 bytes
[15:09:47.934] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 24008 bytes
[15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 21900 bytes
[15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 10868 bytes
[15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
[15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 7300 bytes
[15:09:47.935] stream_thread:436 [0050DBEC] streambuf read 18168 bytes



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[philippe_44]

typecrazy789 wrote: 
> Yes, I'm trying to crossfade, not bake a cake. I listen to mostly
> 40s-60s music and some of the mp3s I have are fan-made disc dubs of rare
> doowop and such, so it's not like the conversion is going to make any
> difference. I suppose the real solution would be to just convert all the
> mp3s I have to flac, but I'd really rather not do that for a lot of
> reasons.
> 
> I'd be happy to post the log here showing what happens - do you care to
> let me know exactly what parameters to set for the logging that you'd
> like to see, then what section to post? Thanks so much!

Can you send a log of upnpbridge when LMS sends flac natively? I think
you said that this works just fine so I'd like to see a similar log to
the one I posted above to comapre timings



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.1.1 released!

[Paul Webster]

negas wrote: 
> Is Deezer HiFi (FLAC) working in LMS?

Yes - since 8.1.0
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113511-Logitech-Media-Server-8-1-0-released!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.1.1 released!

[negas]

Is Deezer HiFi (FLAC) working in LMS?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[erland]

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> I have 22 menu items on my classical menu, some of which are fairly
> straight copies of your suggested menus, and some of which could be
> derived from standard menus with library views, but many simply can't
> without my own SQL.   See below for a list.  Many of these go via Works
> to Movements.
> 
Which custom tags scanned with Custom Scan plugins are used with your
menus ? Is it just WORK and MOVEMENT ?

Do you use all 22 menus or is there some you can live without ?


PasTim wrote: 
> 
> Using a fixed value for the library view id is rather impractical with
> so many multi-level menus.  
> 
Completely agree, that’s why I said that I think customizing Custom
Browse SQL configuration to use virtual libraries is wasted time. People
that rely on Custom Browse/Custom Scan need to specify more clearly how
they use them so it’s possible for someone to implement new
functionality in LMS core or new third party plugin to offer the
required functionality. A new plugin for classic music with the most
important features could make sense, I’m pretty sure there are more
people interested in this. It can be significantly more hard coded
compared to Custom Browse/Custom Scan which means less code/work, as
long as people interested in classical music can agree what’s needed. I
suspect adding support for classical music is going to be too much work
to be included in LMS core but possibly some additions could be done in
the core to make it easier for the plugin developer.

Using virtual library to separate classical music from all other music
still makes sense but that does not solve your problem.

PasTim wrote: 
> 
> If it changed for any reason, a rescan or complete rebuild, that would
> be a real pain-in-the-...  With Multi-library my 2 libraries are listed
> in the database itself, as 1 and 2.  I can, if I really need to, change
> these values to match my menus and do a full rescan.  With prefs holding
> the id I don't know what may happen, and it has a feeling of
> impermanence.
> 
I suspect the library id doesn’t change but Michael or someone else need
to say for sure. However, I still think your best solution is to
continue using Multi Library (as long as it works) if you need all these
menus and instead spend the time to gather people interested in
classical music and agree on which features that are missing today.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[typecrazy789]

philippe_44 wrote: 
> Agreed but that’s at worst marginal as you’ll use the same or a similar
> decoder anyway at some point and I think that’s far from OP’s initial
> concern.

Yes, I'm trying to crossfade, not bake a cake. I listen to mostly
40s-60s music and some of the mp3s I have are fan-made disc dubs of rare
doowop and such, so it's not like the conversion is going to make any
difference. I suppose the real solution would be to just convert all the
mp3s I have to flac, but I'd really rather not do that for a lot of
reasons.

I'd be happy to post the log here showing what happens - do you care to
let me know exactly what parameters to set for the logging that you'd
like to see, then what section to post? Thanks so much!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[Michael Herger]

I installed LMS 8.1, and I have been getting frequent update requests
ever since I installed it.

8.1.0? 8.1.1? 8.1.2? What OS?
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[PasTim]

erland wrote: 
> I think we need to clear up a few things to avoid confusion, there are
> probably two parts of this if you like to replace my
> MultiLibrary/CustomBrowse plugins:
> 
> 1. To create the library contents (=fill the library_tracks table), can
> be done in at least three ways as suggested earlier I this thread. The
> easiest way is to just do an advance search and select to save it as a
> library, the other two ways mentioned requires some hacking and writing
> raw SQL statement.
> 
> 2. To create menus that is able to browse the library. This is done
> automatically by LMS as long as you don’t want any customized behavior
> in the menus except limiting content to the library you have created.
> However, for some people limiting content isn’t enough because they have
> also used Custom Browse plugin to customize the behavior of the menus.
> In this case you would need to create the Custom Browse menus you like
> for each library and the menu configuration needs to be customized by
> editing the Custom Browse menu configuration XML/SQL to join with
> library_tracks instead of multilibrary_track. You will need to hardcode
> the library id each menu should use in each SQL used in the
> configuration of each menu. Since I haven’t used LMS 7.9 or later I
> don’t know if the library id used in library_tracks is displayed in LMS
> web interface or if you need to pick it up from prefs file or
> library_tracks table, either way it’s a manual moment to check which
> library id a created library got after creating the library.
> Theoretically you can do a menu template in Custom Browse so you will be
> able to create the menu by just specifying the library id in one place
> for each menu/library but then we are pretty deep into Custom Browse so
> you really need to know what you are doing and need to understand the
> template language used in addition to XML/SQL. There is no user
> interface in Custom Browse to create new menu templates so if like to
> create a template you would have to use a text editor and save he
> template xml/template file in the template directory you have configured
> in Custom Browse.
> 
> I don’t think the id for a library changes when you do a rescan but
> someone who have used LMS 7.9 or later have to tell for sure. If it
> changes every rescan it won’t work with the Custom Browse plugin.
> 
> Having said this, I think it’s suitable for people who have previously
> used Multi Library plugin to limit content in menus to check if they can
> use the built-in virtual library functionality without relying on Custom
> Browse. 
> 
> If you have also customized the behavior of the menus so you still need
> to use Custom Browse plugin in step 2 above I’m not sure it’s worth the
> effort. In this case I think it’s important to say what’s missing in the
> standard menu behavior so it can be improved in LMS core or provided by
> a new simple plugin rather than continuing to rely on Custom Browse,
> preferably a discussion for a separate thread in beta section of the
> forum. The reason for this is that Custom Browse is no longer supported
> in LMS 8.* and can basically break at any time, so spending a lot of
> work on Custom Browse menu configuration seems like wasted time to me.
> Would be a lot better to discuss the improvements needed in the standard
> menus to get rid of the need to use Custom Browse plugin. Michael might
> not want to include everything in LMS core but if there are more people
> interested in the same thing someone might be willing to implement a
> plugin for it. Making a plugin that provides one or several specific
> menus can be a lot easier today compared to what was needed when Custom
> Browse was developed so in some cases it’s not going to be a huge job
> for someone willing to write some Perl code.
> 
> 
> As mentioned above I think this is manual work, just pickup the id for
> each library by reading the prefs file or database (unless it’s
> displayed in LMS web interface)
Thanks Erland.  My basic problem is that I play mostly classical music. 
It seems few people try to tag such music in any comprehensive way,
retaining the concept of an Album, but adding Work as a series of
Movements.  Since I have Works, I need Work Artists - the primary
performers in Works. I have done all this, using some of your ideas from
many years ago.  Custom Browse and Custom Scan have been essential in
this process, plus multi-library to differentiate classical (i.e.
potentially multi-movement) pieces from other types of music.   

I have 22 menu items on my classical menu, some of which are fairly
straight copies of your suggested menus, and some of which could be
derived from standard menus with library views, but many simply can't
without my own SQL.   See below for a list.  Many of these go via Works
to Movements.

Using a fixed value for the library view id is rather impractical with
so many multi-level menus.  If it changed for any reason, a rescan or
complete rebuild, 

Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[yeldahtron]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> Because the product is in active maintenance and development (amazing
> really given that the hardware has not been available from the
> manufacturer for years) - and your issue does not appear to have been
> seen by other people.
> 
> You could have another go and reporting your ancient issue with a new
> thread and detailed logging to see if anyone else can repeat it which
> then makes it more likely to be fixed.

I installed LMS 8.1, and I have been getting frequent update requests
ever since I installed it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[mrw]

DanielTheGreat wrote: 
> ... but none of them fixes the problem I reported back in 2003?  Will it
> EVER be fixed?  (Pause at end of song replays the SAME track next time I
> press Play.)
What happens if you simply resume playback, i.e. "unpause" by taking the
pause option again ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New router from ISP severs my LMS connection?

[starwalt]

Gobuleberbu wrote: 
> It seems like you are now with the Bell Fibe ISP.  You can still use
> your Apple router with it:
> 
> Enable DMZ and point it to your AirPort Extreme.  
> 
> Enabling  « Mode dmz évolué » or evolved dmz mode will spoof your
> external IP to your apple extreme.  You’ll find it in the advanced tools
> under DMZ.
> 
> Your airport will now be your firewall.  - possible security problem.
> 
> It will now be your sole DHCP server for things connected to it: your
> devices will behave like before.
> 
> Enabling this advanced DMZ is buggy and will sometimes not work as
> expected: ie your personal router will not see your external IP but will
> be sent the router’s attributed IP...

Good detective work! I am indeed with their latest modem/router the Home
Hub 3000 (aka Sagemcom FASTFast 5566 which appears to be custom made for
Bell Canada)

I was able to get it working without DMZ as the AirPort Extreme does the
PPPoE dialing (though its PPPoE performance is poor). Is the method you
describe better?

All I had to do was to made IPv6 "link local only" and it kept the
HH3000 from constantly crashing. What a piece of garbage.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Frequent LMS updates

[CJS]

DanielTheGreat wrote: 
> Why am I getting frequent LMS updates (a few every week for the past
> several weeks)
Most probably because you are using an LMS version from a nightly branch
(at this moment in time LMS 8.1.2 nightly with latest bugfixes, and LMS
8.2.0 nightly with bug fixes + new features that may be unstable). The
nightly branches are frequently updated, until the branch is released.
So at a certain moment in time we will have versions 8.1.2 "released"
and later on 8.2.0 "released".

If you are bothered by the frequent updates, you can do two things:
1) Install an released version. At this moment in time this would be
version 8.1.1 released, that can be downloaded from
https://www.mysqueezebox.com.
After you have installed this version, you should get no update
notification until the final version of version 8.1.2 is released.
2) Or you can disable update notifications in the LMS web interface via
Settings => Advanced tab => Software Updates. In the settings form,
select "Don't check for software updates" and "Do not automatically
download updates".

What I write above is my understanding from what I have read on this
forum. Please correct me if this information is inaccurate.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

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bits wrote: 
> Some people like to know a difference exists.
> For me the correct way to describe it is that FLAC can losslessly store
> the MP3 decoders output not the MP3 file itself.
> The conversion from MP3 file to FLAC file is not lossless as they are
> not storing the same type of data.

Agreed but that’s at worse marginal as you’ll use the same or a similar
decoder anyway at some point and I think that’s far from OP’s initial
concern.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[bits]

philippe_44 wrote: 
> I know that but unless you have the most f... up decoder, you have a
> difference on the least significant bit. So that’s totally negligible
> and that decoding will happen anyway somewhere in the chain. Once it is
> done, it’s done and flac is bit exact, so I don’t see the point.

Some people like to know a difference exists.
For me the correct way to describe it is that FLAC can losslessly store
the MP3 decoders output not the MP3 file itself.
The conversion from MP3 file to FLAC file is not lossless as they are
not storing the same type of data.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[philippe_44]

I know that but unless you have the most f... up decoder, you have an
difference on the least significant bit. So that’s totally negligible
and that decoding will happen anyway somewhere in the chain. Once it is
done, it’s done and flac is bit exact, so I don’t see the point.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New router from ISP severs my LMS connection?

[Gobuleberbu]

It seems like you are now with the Bell Fibe ISP.  You can still use
your Apple router with it:

Enable DMZ and point it to your AirPort Extreme.  

Enabling  « Mode dmz évolué » or evolved dmz mode will spoof your
external IP to your apple extreme.  You’ll find it in the advanced tools
under DMZ.

Your airport will now be your firewall.  - possible security problem.

It will now be your sole DHCP server for things connected to it: your
devices will behave like before.

Enabling this advanced DMZ is buggy and will sometimes not work as
expected: ie your personal router will not see your external IP but will
be sent the router’s attributed IP...





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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[bits]

FLAC can perfectly store a cake.
MP3 takes a cake and creates an approximate recipe for it. It isn't
perfect but it is close.
If you FLAC capture the cake you make from the MP3 recipe you have not
captured the MP3 recipe you captured the resulting cake. Perhaps there
was different ways to read that recipe, but only saving the resulting
cake never allows you to go back to the recipe again.





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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] MP3 to FLAC Transcoding

[bits]

philippe_44 wrote: 
> How would that be?

Mp3 decoders can/do round different to each other and are often rounding
to 16 bit. mad uses 32bit floating point during calculations and then
rounds to 24 bit int for output.
The input bitdepth during encode is not related to the output bitdepth
at decode. Also if the decoder comes from the late 90's it is fairly
likely not iso compliant and simply decodes wrong.

Mp3 is a description of audio. The MP3 decoder converts that description
to pcm which FLAC can hold.
The conversion from description to pcm is not mathematically perfect and
includes rounding. The description does not follow finite integer
precision.

When you convert your MP3 to FLAC you are capturing forever one possible
version of a MP3 decode.

Your FLAC encoder will perfectly write what your MP3 decoder decodes and
then you are frozen at that point. It is what the MP3 decoder decodes
which is not set in stone (it is well defined...)

A future decoder in theory could pull even more precision out of an MP3
file then is currently known, eg even metadata such as the encoder used
may give the decoder hints for what it could do.

PS if using a good MP3 decoder like I'm sure LMS does you will never
hear the difference from 1 good MP3 decoder to the next.





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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New router from ISP severs my LMS connection?

[d6jg]

starwalt wrote: 
> Will the 2GB version suffice?

yes



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