Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-06-29 Thread snoopstaa


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Have you used the disc number tag?
> 
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Yes, they even has the COMP=1 tag set too.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-06-28 Thread slartibartfast


snoopstaa wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a similar issue, I've just updated from LMS 7.9 to 8.2 due to a
> hard drive failure on my QNAP (I'm using QLogitechMediaServer).
> 
> Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 - 1624863247 @ Mon Jun 28 09:18:54
> CEST 2021
> 
> Before this my albums were fine and presented as a single album, since
> the upgrade they are now split out as multiple albums of the same name.
> This is only affecting albums separated into multiple underlying folders
> (disc1 / disc2)
> 
> I have tripled checked my 'Treat Multi Disc as a single Album' Server
> Setting and it's set correctly.
> 
> When I manually move the files into a single folder, the scanner then
> presents a single album and when clicked in shows the track listing
> correctly even showing it is multiple discs. Even though no Tags were
> changed.
> 
> So it seems the scanner behavior has changed to not recognise albums
> with tracks split across multiple sub folders?Have you used the disc number 
> tag?

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-06-28 Thread snoopstaa


Hi,

I have a similar issue, I've just updated from LMS 7.9 to 8.2 due to a
hard drive failure on my QNAP (I'm using QLogitechMediaServer).

Before this my albums were fine and presented as a single album, since
the upgrade they are now split out as multiple albums of the same name.
I have tripled checked my Group Album Server Setting and it's correct.
This is only affecting albums separated into multiple underlying folders
(disc1 / disc2, etc).

When I move the files into the same single folder, the scanner then
presents a single album and when clicked in shows the track listing
correctly even showing it is multiple discs.

So it seems the scanner behavior has changed to not recognise albums
with tracks split across multiple sub folders?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-16 Thread slartibartfast

gstalnaker wrote: 
> Robert,
> 
> In my research using Google (for mp3tag function) I noticed some people 
> say that using COMPILATION results in an item in their album list called
> 
> Various under which LSM puts the albums which using COMPILATION. Is this
> 
> behavior that you see? Or do  the albums show in the list of albums (my
> 
> preferred mode for browsing my collection is Genre->Album)?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On 3/15/21 11:58 PM, Grumpy Bob wrote:
> > RobbH wrote:
> >> I THINK what you need to do, based on Slartibartfast's comment, is
> set
> >> the Compilation tag to "1" and leave Album Artists blank.
> > This is what I do...
> >
> > Robert
> 
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> ― AristotleI am not sure what you mean but the album will appear under the 
> artist
"Various Artists" and under the album name in the album list.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-16 Thread Guy Stalnaker

Robert,

In my research using Google (for mp3tag function) I noticed some people 
say that using COMPILATION results in an item in their album list called 
Various under which LSM puts the albums which using COMPILATION. Is this 
behavior that you see? Or do  the albums show in the list of albums (my 
preferred mode for browsing my collection is Genre->Album)?


Thanks.

On 3/15/21 11:58 PM, Grumpy Bob wrote:

RobbH wrote:

I THINK what you need to do, based on Slartibartfast's comment, is set
the Compilation tag to "1" and leave Album Artists blank.

This is what I do...

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread DejanM


I see that after every rescan the number of albums changes but in rather
dubious way. The increase or sometimes decrease in number of albums does
not correlate to the added number of albums at all. I do not think that
we should trust this number of albums, provided as an info by LMS.
(8.1.0)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread Grumpy Bob


RobbH wrote: 
> I THINK what you need to do, based on Slartibartfast's comment, is set
> the Compilation tag to "1" and leave Album Artists blank.

This is what I do...

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread RobbH


gstalnaker wrote: 
> "Compilation" has come up more than once. What does that look like? I 
> see in mp3tag a Compilation tag. What goes in it? "yes" "no" "true" 
> "false" "0" "1"?
> 

I THINK what you need to do, based on Slartibartfast's comment, is set
the Compilation tag to "1" and leave Album Artists blank.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread slartibartfast


RobbH wrote: 
> Does it need to be tagged as a compilation?I would try removing Various 
> Artists from Album Artists and add the
compilation tag.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread Guy Stalnaker
"Compilation" has come up more than once. What does that look like? I 
see in mp3tag a Compilation tag. What goes in it? "yes" "no" "true" 
"false" "0" "1"?


Thanks

On 3/15/21 9:57 AM, RobbH wrote:

slartibartfast wrote:

It looks as though they are being divided up by "Artist". There are more
than 4 discs. I wonder if defining the Album Artist as Various Artists
is  causing problems.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread RobbH


slartibartfast wrote: 
> It looks as though they are being divided up by "Artist". There are more
> than 4 discs. I wonder if defining the Album Artist as Various Artists
> is  causing problems.
> 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread Grumpy Bob


slartibartfast wrote: 
> It looks as though they are being divided up by "Artist". There are more
> than 4 discs. I wonder if defining the Album Artist as Various Artists
> is  causing problems.
> 
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Hmmm...I'm travelling and away from my LMS, but maybe the issue is
around the Artist/Album Artist setting then? I generally avoid using
"Various Artists" and usually check the Compilation tag in those cases.
But I don't have much classical music with the attendant tagging
complexity.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread slartibartfast


Grumpy Bob wrote: 
> There's an LMS setting which determines if multi-disc sets are treated
> as a single disc or as multiple discs - how is that set on your LMS?
> What you're seeing is what I'd expect if this was set to display as
> multiple discs.
> 
> RobertIt looks as though they are being divided up by "Artist". There are more
than 4 discs. I wonder if defining the Album Artist as Various Artists
is  causing problems.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-15 Thread Grumpy Bob


There's an LMS setting which determines if multi-disc sets are treated
as a single disc or as multiple discs - how is that set on your LMS?
What you're seeing is what I'd expect if this was set to display as
multiple discs.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-14 Thread gstalnaker


First, thanks to each of you who responded to my original post about
this topic. slartibartfast's comment about Disc number seemed to me
correct (why, after all, have such a tag if not for this reason) so I
re-tagged files so that CDs are indicated with a Disc number. On rescan
many of them now "appear" correctly, but some 40 operas are like the
following.

Here is the Sawallisch Ring, one folder for the whole ring, separate
folders for each CD of the four operas:

33778

Here is what they look like in mp3tag, screen shot shows CDs 2, 3, 4, 5,
and 6 (parts of 2 and 6), showing they do have correct Disk numbers
(which is true also for the discs/tracks not shown):

33779

There are no odd Extended tags:

33780

Yet, here is what these operas look like in LMS :-(

33781

I note there is a second opera in this screen cap, the Turandot, that is
also a multi-CD opera, tracks in separate folders, yet with Disc number
set "correctly" in mp3tag, that is showing as two items in the list
rather than a single Album

Is there no way to defeat this behavior? I have a LOT of opera, nearly
all of which are multiple CDs (I have 13 recordings of the complete Ring
cycle and only four of them do not exhibit the behavior I describe
above). It seems bad that I should have to move all of the audio files
into the same folder (especially for the Ring cycle where the total
tracks exceed 100) for doing this requires renaming the tracks/files so
that they indicate which opera they are part of (Das Rheingold, etc.)
and their ordering. mp3tag makes doing this kind of editing easier, but
it is still very time-consuming.

Thanks.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-05 Thread Guy Stalnaker
I will test this before I rename another 150 tracks LOL Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 6:20 PM slartibartfast <
slartibartfast.9y2...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> gstalnaker wrote:
> > BINGO!
> >
> > The ripping software rips each CD to a folder, with tracks in it. The
> > LMS scanning software treats each folder as an individual album item
> > even though the Album of each track is the same across all 12 CDs.
>
> If each disc is tagged with a disc number (1 to 12 in this case) then
> the album should appear as a single album even if each disc is in a
> separate folder inside the album folder
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-05 Thread slartibartfast


gstalnaker wrote: 
> BINGO!
> 
> The ripping software rips each CD to a folder, with tracks in it. The
> LMS scanning software treats each folder as an individual album item
> even though the Album of each track is the same across all 12 CDs.

If each disc is tagged with a disc number (1 to 12 in this case) then
the album should appear as a single album even if each disc is in a
separate folder inside the album folder 

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-05 Thread gstalnaker


mherger wrote: 
> > A question if I may ... if tracks are in separate folders, does the 
> > scanner treat them as, somehow, separate, even if they have the same 
> > Album, Artist, AlbumArtist, Genre, and Composer?
> 
> Yes, I believe the folder is used to distinguish albums of the same 
> artist and name. Some collectors have multiple copies of the same 
> (remastered, ripped from vinyl, whatever).

BINGO!

I have systematically taken all files in subfolders of an album and
uniquely renamed them and moved them so that they are in a single folder
named with the album name. For example:

Album: Wagner - RotN - Bayreuth - 1970 - Stein
First two tracks (of 149 <-- lots of renaming!!):
"Wagner - RotN - 01 - Rheingold - 01.  Vorpsiel.flac"
"Wagner - RotN - 01 - Rheingold - 02.  Weia! Waga! Woge, du Welle.flac"

On a Library rescan, these 149 tracks now show as a single Album item
and not as previously, as a set of 12 items all with the same album
name, the 149 tracks in them.

What this actually is: a zip of Richard Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungen,
which comprises 12 CDs. The ripping software rips each CD to a folder,
with tracks in it. The LMS scanning software treats each folder as an
individual album item even though the Album of each track is the same
across all 12 CDs.

I've done the same with another five albums (one of another Ring
recording and several other Wagner operas) and on recan all now show as
I expect them -- as a single Album.

So, a bit of renaming work to get things as I want, but I understand now
how the LMS scanning works now and I know what to do.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Guy Stalnaker
Michael,

Thanks! That may be it. I'm working to get tracks in single folders rather
than in nested subfolders. I think this may be why my opera albums of
Wagner's four Ring operas end up as they do.

Guy

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021, 11:05 PM Michael Herger  wrote:

> > A question if I may ... if tracks are in separate folders, does the
> > scanner treat them as, somehow, separate, even if they have the same
> > Album, Artist, AlbumArtist, Genre, and Composer?
>
> Yes, I believe the folder is used to distinguish albums of the same
> artist and name. Some collectors have multiple copies of the same
> (remastered, ripped from vinyl, whatever).
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Michael Herger
A question if I may ... if tracks are in separate folders, does the 
scanner treat them as, somehow, separate, even if they have the same 
Album, Artist, AlbumArtist, Genre, and Composer?


Yes, I believe the folder is used to distinguish albums of the same 
artist and name. Some collectors have multiple copies of the same 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Guy Stalnaker

Michael,

A question if I may ... if tracks are in separate folders, does the 
scanner treat them as, somehow, separate, even if they have the same 
Album, Artist, AlbumArtist, Genre, and Composer?


That may be what's going on, if this is true.

Thanks,

Guy

On 3/4/21 3:56 AM, Michael Herger wrote:

So that is one album of 40 tracks but each has a different cover image?
I suspect LMS thinks that because they have different covers they are
different albums.


No, the album grouping doesn't take cover into account. Covers are 
evaluated long after the album grouping. Check tags, in particular 
MusicBrainz IDs, folder, album title etc.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread AlecSp


Have you tried using mp3tag's View -> Extended Tags option?

This was a revelation to me when I discovered it a few years ago.  There
can be so much unwanted junk tagged away which you never see in the main
interface - these days I happily blow away all the tags I don't want.

You may well have nothing there if these are files you've ripped and
tagged yourself - but you never know what automated tagging may have
been applied by your tools.

In the end, though, a music library tool can only present its own
interpretation of the tags used in your files.  And I've certainly seen
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Guy Stalnaker

Thanks everyone.

Though the example screencap is for a "created" album (sort of a modern 
mix tape), the issue applies to other albums I have. But you've all 
given me ideas I can explore. I'll see what mp3tag can tell me. I think 
** I ** may be the cause as I have a rather particular tagging scheme I 
want for my classical/choral/opera albums and thus I use mp3tag to 
impose this scheme for any newly ripped album before I add it to my LMS 
library (that is, I do not blindly use musicbrainz/freedb, especially 
for classical/choral/opera as the tags are frequently quite incorrect).


I only use the "normal" set of tags: Title, Album, Artist, Track, Disc, 
Year, Genre, AlbumArtist, Composer, Comment (the default set exposed by 
mp3tag's UI). To my knowledge I've not touched any other tag so did not 
think to "review" them as part of my workflow. I will now review them.


Regards.

Guy

On 3/4/21 3:56 AM, Michael Herger wrote:

So that is one album of 40 tracks but each has a different cover image?
I suspect LMS thinks that because they have different covers they are
different albums.


No, the album grouping doesn't take cover into account. Covers are 
evaluated long after the album grouping. Check tags, in particular 
MusicBrainz IDs, folder, album title etc.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Michael Herger

So that is one album of 40 tracks but each has a different cover image?
I suspect LMS thinks that because they have different covers they are
different albums.


No, the album grouping doesn't take cover into account. Covers are 
evaluated long after the album grouping. Check tags, in particular 
MusicBrainz IDs, folder, album title etc.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread d6jg


So that is one album of 40 tracks but each has a different cover image?
I suspect LMS thinks that because they have different covers they are
different albums.
Test the theory by giving them all the same cover (make a backup copy
first).



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread Grumpy Bob


Two suggestions:
1. Have you flagged the album as a compilation via the COMPILATION tag? 
<---I always flag compilations this way.
2. Have you populated the ALBUM ARTIST tag? And if so, what with?  <---
I think some people advocate using "Various Artists" in this tag, but
it's not the way I approach this.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-04 Thread slartibartfast


gstalnaker wrote: 
> Can anyone tell me why my LMS v8, even after a complete rescan this
> afternoon (it did this before the rescan by the way), shows some albums
> as if they are not albums but individual tracks? Like this (an "album"
> with 40+ tracks, different artists and NO year, but all in the same
> album):
> 
> 33650
> 
> I cannot see in mp3tag why the LMS scanner is doing this. mp3tag shows
> this as a single album with 40+ tracks. And it's not the only album
> shown like this either. I have multiple opera recordings where the album
> name is the same for all tracks, but LMS displays them as individual
> items in Genre - Album view. And it's not Material  either - the default
> skin shows the same. It's something that the LMS tag scanner is doing.
> 
> It's really baffling.
> 
> Thanks.Can you show all the tags in one of the tracks, you can take a
screenshot of More info/View tags? I have similar albums that appear
under Various Artists.

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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Media scanner not scanning albums correctly

2021-03-03 Thread gstalnaker


Can anyone tell me why my LMS v8, even after a complete rescan this
afternoon (it did this before the rescan by the way), shows some albums
as if they are not albums but individual tracks? Like this (an "album"
with 40+ tracks, different artists and NO year, but all in the same
album):

33650

I cannot see in mp3tag why the LMS scanner is doing this. mp3tag shows
this as a single album with 40+ tracks. And it's not the only album
shown like this either. I have multiple opera recordings where the album
name is the same for all tracks, but LMS displays them as individual
items in Genre - Album view. And it's not Material  either - the default
skin shows the same. It's something that the LMS tag scanner is doing.

It's really baffling.

Thanks.


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