Re: meetup occuring in London
Canonical has confirmed - they are happy to host 4-5 people at the office on the 1st and 2nd. The only caveat is the air conditioning is off in the weekend. On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 09:27 -0700, Alex Rousskov wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 15:52 +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > If this was a 'lets make a 1 year plan to make squid fast' big strategy > > meeting; then it would be silly to do it without you; and even more > > silly to do it without you in person. Its not, and I don't think anyone > > has represented as being that. > > It would also be silly to just sit in a room, working on bugs. Attendees > can do that without meeting each-other face-to-face. If folks get > together, I think they should talk about the Big Picture. They just > should not make any final decisions. There are many sorts of productive activities. Large scale triage is often easier in person; pair programming can get a lot done that would take many round trips not face to face; design discussions can be made - totally true. > I agree that Adrian's couple of years of "fiddling with stuff" should be > included via conferencing and/or some kind of summary document. The > latter would be very useful at any rate, but I doubt Adrian has time to > prepare a nice summary. Adrian - this is a good idea, can you do some sort of summary document - basically what you'd say the biggest issues are ? :) -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: meetup occuring in London
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 15:52 +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 12:53 +0900, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > I'd like to try. I think its a bit silly to hold a design and brainstorming > > without the squid core members able to have some sort of presence. > > Speaking purely for myself, I've spent the last couple of years fiddling > > with this stuff, researching how other applications are written and getting > > my head around all the various issues preventing Squid from being "fast"; > > it'd be a bit silly for us not to include that. > > I presume you mean 'without all the' :). This isn't intended as some > sort of major design jag; it started with my saying 'another trip in > March' and kinkie saying, 'lets have a meetup'. > > Its pretty common in other projects to have little meet ups of the folk > that *can* get together as time permits. > > If this was a 'lets make a 1 year plan to make squid fast' big strategy > meeting; then it would be silly to do it without you; and even more > silly to do it without you in person. Its not, and I don't think anyone > has represented as being that. It would also be silly to just sit in a room, working on bugs. Attendees can do that without meeting each-other face-to-face. If folks get together, I think they should talk about the Big Picture. They just should not make any final decisions. I agree that Adrian's couple of years of "fiddling with stuff" should be included via conferencing and/or some kind of summary document. The latter would be very useful at any rate, but I doubt Adrian has time to prepare a nice summary. Cheers, Alex.
Re: meetup occuring in London
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Amos Jeffries wrote: > If it does prove to be a waste. I'd be happy with a simple recording to > listen to and hear whats discussed after te fact. Thats often easier to > grasp ideas than a written text done after the fact. So, who in the US or Europe wnats to trial out Yahoo live stuff this weekend? Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -
Re: meetup occuring in London
> > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 01:57 +, Tony Dodd wrote: >> Adrian Chadd wrote: >> > (Only replying to squid-dev) >> > >> > Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the >> world >> > for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be >> organised >> > for the devel session? >> > >> >> Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a >> private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction >> with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the >> meeting end. > > We've tried this sort of thing numerous times at ubuntu development > sessions; my experience to date is that they are time consuming to set > up, significantly reduce the bandwidth available between the folk > physically there (its ~ 300ms rtt to talk to someone in perth from > London). If it does prove to be a waste. I'd be happy with a simple recording to listen to and hear whats discussed after te fact. Thats often easier to grasp ideas than a written text done after the fact. Amos
Re: meetup occuring in London
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 12:53 +0900, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a > > > private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction > > > with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the > > > meeting end. > > > > We've tried this sort of thing numerous times at ubuntu development > > sessions; my experience to date is that they are time consuming to set > > up, significantly reduce the bandwidth available between the folk > > physically there (its ~ 300ms rtt to talk to someone in perth from > > London). > > I'd like to try. I think its a bit silly to hold a design and brainstorming > without the squid core members able to have some sort of presence. > Speaking purely for myself, I've spent the last couple of years fiddling > with this stuff, researching how other applications are written and getting > my head around all the various issues preventing Squid from being "fast"; > it'd be a bit silly for us not to include that. I presume you mean 'without all the' :). This isn't intended as some sort of major design jag; it started with my saying 'another trip in March' and kinkie saying, 'lets have a meetup'. Its pretty common in other projects to have little meet ups of the folk that *can* get together as time permits. If this was a 'lets make a 1 year plan to make squid fast' big strategy meeting; then it would be silly to do it without you; and even more silly to do it without you in person. Its not, and I don't think anyone has represented as being that. -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: meetup occuring in London
Adrian Chadd wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the meeting end. We've tried this sort of thing numerous times at ubuntu development sessions; my experience to date is that they are time consuming to set up, significantly reduce the bandwidth available between the folk physically there (its ~ 300ms rtt to talk to someone in perth from London). I'd like to try. I think its a bit silly to hold a design and brainstorming without the squid core members able to have some sort of presence. Speaking purely for myself, I've spent the last couple of years fiddling with this stuff, researching how other applications are written and getting my head around all the various issues preventing Squid from being "fast"; it'd be a bit silly for us not to include that. Adrian Equally, if it occurs at last.hq, I don't mind conferencing anyone who's not in the country into the meeting via phone too, and possibly have a webex/desktop sharing session for collaboration etc. -- Tony Dodd, Systems Administrator Last.fm | http://www.last.fm Karen House 1-11 Baches Street London N1 6DL check out my music taste at: http://www.last.fm/user/hawkeviper
Re: meetup occuring in London
Amos Jeffries wrote: Adrian Chadd wrote: (Only replying to squid-dev) On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: Some of the squid developers are going to get together in London during the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March. We're still putting together final details and so on. We'll be talking about much of the current things under development. If you are hacking on squid, or interested in doing so please let me know, I'm sure we'd love to have you drop by. If you're not hacking on squid, but use it or just love the project and want to get together to say hi or chat, I'm positive we'll have at least one evening spent in a pleasant pub/dinner. For now please drop me an email - but when we have some more details figured out I'll throw them up on the wiki. Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the world for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be organised for the devel session? Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the meeting end. What software/actions would this requires from our end of the world? Amos From either end, just a yahoo account (if we were to use live as the transport for it) -- check out live.yahoo.com, it's fairly interesting, and seems to be relatively lag free. We can do a test at some point to see how viable it is between au and london. -- Tony Dodd, Systems Administrator Last.fm | http://www.last.fm Karen House 1-11 Baches Street London N1 6DL check out my music taste at: http://www.last.fm/user/hawkeviper
Re: meetup occuring in London
> Adrian Chadd wrote: >> (Only replying to squid-dev) >> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: >>> Some of the squid developers are going to get together in London during >>> the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March. We're still putting together >>> final details and so on. We'll be talking about much of the current >>> things under development. If you are hacking on squid, or interested in >>> doing so please let me know, I'm sure we'd love to have you drop by. >>> >>> If you're not hacking on squid, but use it or just love the project and >>> want to get together to say hi or chat, I'm positive we'll have at >>> least >>> one evening spent in a pleasant pub/dinner. For now please drop me an >>> email - but when we have some more details figured out I'll throw them >>> up on the wiki. >> >> Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the world >> for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be >> organised >> for the devel session? >> > > Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a > private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction > with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the > meeting end. > What software/actions would this requires from our end of the world? Amos
Re: meetup occuring in London
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: > > Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a > > private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction > > with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the > > meeting end. > > We've tried this sort of thing numerous times at ubuntu development > sessions; my experience to date is that they are time consuming to set > up, significantly reduce the bandwidth available between the folk > physically there (its ~ 300ms rtt to talk to someone in perth from > London). I'd like to try. I think its a bit silly to hold a design and brainstorming without the squid core members able to have some sort of presence. Speaking purely for myself, I've spent the last couple of years fiddling with this stuff, researching how other applications are written and getting my head around all the various issues preventing Squid from being "fast"; it'd be a bit silly for us not to include that. Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -
Re: meetup occuring in London
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 01:57 +, Tony Dodd wrote: > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > (Only replying to squid-dev) > > > > Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the world > > for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be organised > > for the devel session? > > > > Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a > private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction > with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the > meeting end. We've tried this sort of thing numerous times at ubuntu development sessions; my experience to date is that they are time consuming to set up, significantly reduce the bandwidth available between the folk physically there (its ~ 300ms rtt to talk to someone in perth from London). -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: meetup occuring in London
Adrian Chadd wrote: (Only replying to squid-dev) On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: Some of the squid developers are going to get together in London during the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March. We're still putting together final details and so on. We'll be talking about much of the current things under development. If you are hacking on squid, or interested in doing so please let me know, I'm sure we'd love to have you drop by. If you're not hacking on squid, but use it or just love the project and want to get together to say hi or chat, I'm positive we'll have at least one evening spent in a pleasant pub/dinner. For now please drop me an email - but when we have some more details figured out I'll throw them up on the wiki. Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the world for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be organised for the devel session? Definitely, especially with the launch of yahoo live!; afaik, there's a private online ability with this, which should allow easy interaction with sound & video especially with the hookup of a projector at the meeting end. -- Tony Dodd, Systems Administrator Last.fm | http://www.last.fm Karen House 1-11 Baches Street London N1 6DL check out my music taste at: http://www.last.fm/user/hawkeviper
Re: meetup occuring in London
(Only replying to squid-dev) On Wed, Feb 13, 2008, Robert Collins wrote: > Some of the squid developers are going to get together in London during > the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March. We're still putting together > final details and so on. We'll be talking about much of the current > things under development. If you are hacking on squid, or interested in > doing so please let me know, I'm sure we'd love to have you drop by. > > If you're not hacking on squid, but use it or just love the project and > want to get together to say hi or chat, I'm positive we'll have at least > one evening spent in a pleasant pub/dinner. For now please drop me an > email - but when we have some more details figured out I'll throw them > up on the wiki. Since some of us aren't really able to travel half way around the world for the weekend, could some sort of video and/or voice hookup be organised for the devel session? Thanks, Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -
meetup occuring in London
Some of the squid developers are going to get together in London during the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March. We're still putting together final details and so on. We'll be talking about much of the current things under development. If you are hacking on squid, or interested in doing so please let me know, I'm sure we'd love to have you drop by. If you're not hacking on squid, but use it or just love the project and want to get together to say hi or chat, I'm positive we'll have at least one evening spent in a pleasant pub/dinner. For now please drop me an email - but when we have some more details figured out I'll throw them up on the wiki. -Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
