Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
The locomotive from Petticoat Junction is a surviving steam locomotive. It's now at the California State Railroad Museum. (last I heard, anyway) Thought it might be of interest. Maybe not. Later, Trent Harry Wade wrote: Petticoat Junction set the public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
At 2:47 AM -0600 3/21/03, Trent Dowler wrote: The locomotive from Petticoat Junction is a surviving steam locomotive. It's now at the California State Railroad Museum. (last I heard, anyway) Thought it might be of interest. Maybe not. Later, Trent Harry Wade wrote: Petticoat Junction set the public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?) actually, it's at railtown 1897 state historical park in jamestown, calif. jamestown is a branch of the calif state railroad museum, because for years the state parks department ran it and had no idea how to interpret it. the sierra railroad, which is part short line and part museum line, is called the movie railroad. in addition to petticoat junction, back to the future 3 and little house on the prairie were filmed there (apparently in a good year they get a half-dozen film crews onsite). clint eastwood likes to film his westerns there -- he's made both pale rider and unforgiven at jamestown (it's a four-hour drive from his carmel home -- 45 minutes by helicopter). the diamond stack and all the other geegaws -- including cow catchers -- that the movie companies demand to dress up locomotives sit in an open-sided warehouse just east of the roundhouse. apparently set designers can wander through the warehouse and say, i'll take one of those and one of those and the set painters dress them up and the shop guys attach them. after filming they go back to the warehouse. and the watertower where the girls bathed? dryrot got it last year and they've built a new one. historically accurate but looks nothing like the tv show. i think that was the museum giving the finger to hollywood. \dmc ps: before i got into trains, i was a movie buff. for that i wore a beret. -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
ps: before i got into trains, i was a movie buff. for that i wore a beret. With a Propeller ? :-) Terry -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
At 10:32 AM -0500 3/21/03, Terry Griner wrote: With a Propeller ? no, no ... the propeller hat is a *beenie* not a beret ... sheesh. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Odious practices continue
Two weeks ago the BBC spent a week at Railtown 1897 in Jamestown, California filming one of a four part history series, the specific one at Railtown is about the completion of the Trans-continental RR. Can't figure out why they didn't go to Promontory - maybe the weather wasn't what they wanted. As it turns out, of the three operating steam locomotives at Railtown, the 1891 Rogers built 4-6-0 (#3) is undergoing major boiler restoration, the 1922 Baldwin 2-8-0 (#28) is being retubed (it was headed to Baltimore before the roof disaster and cancelation of the planned festivities there). The only operating steam locomotive available this month is the 1922 Shay (#2). As a result, Brits will soon be regaled with the epic driving of the Golden Spike and the locomotives will be the shay, with a cow catcher attached to the foot boards and the pilot painted blue to represent one of the locomotives and faced in the other direction, the pilot is a pinkish-red. Is anyone planning on redoing their Catatonic to replicate this scene! Dave Connery
Re: Odious practices continue
That is just plain sick. Yuk. A shay with a pilot is wacky looking to begin with due to the off set boiler and high framing. Pinkish red? That's an engine that will forever live with shame! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: Odious practices continue Two weeks ago the BBC spent a week at Railtown 1897 in Jamestown, California filming one of a four part history series, the specific one at Railtown is about the completion of the Trans-continental RR. Can't figure out why they didn't go to Promontory - maybe the weather wasn't what they wanted. As it turns out, of the three operating steam locomotives at Railtown, the 1891 Rogers built 4-6-0 (#3) is undergoing major boiler restoration, the 1922 Baldwin 2-8-0 (#28) is being retubed (it was headed to Baltimore before the roof disaster and cancelation of the planned festivities there). The only operating steam locomotive available this month is the 1922 Shay (#2). As a result, Brits will soon be regaled with the epic driving of the Golden Spike and the locomotives will be the shay, with a cow catcher attached to the foot boards and the pilot painted blue to represent one of the locomotives and faced in the other direction, the pilot is a pinkish-red. Is anyone planning on redoing their Catatonic to replicate this scene! Dave Connery
Pinkish red pilot
Dave Connery, You paint a colorful picture. If anyone is going to make a model I saw a great accessory on the hitch of a pickup . . . an elk head with great rack of antlers. This was just a huge size for mounting impressively on a live steam loco and since it is made of brass and painted, it would survive any heat and provide additional traction due to the immense weight. Exciting huh? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor As a result, Brits will soon be regaled with the epic driving of the Golden Spike and the locomotives will be the shay, with a cow catcher attached to the foot boards and the pilot painted blue to represent one of the locomotives and faced in the other direction, the pilot is a pinkish-red.
Scrounging
Hi List friends! (or is that fiends?) Anyway, the reason for this post is to pass along a neat source of supply, that many of us may have overlooked. My good friend,and secretary of the North East Live Steamers gave me this tip. He was at a meet, and had troubles with a leaking whistle valve (on a off list topic 3-1/2 gauge loco!) in field stripping the offending valve, he lost the little stainless steel check valve ball!! What to do, as there was no shut off cock that he could close to isolate the whistle, and he didn't want to end his running for the day! It occured to him, that he had a replacement in his pocket!! A pump container of Afrin! (Al suffers from allergies, just as many of us do) Canibalizing the pump section, of a mostly used up nasal sprayer, provided him with not only a perfectly sized check valve ball, but also a lovely spare stainless steel spring. All winter long, I have been saving the check balls and springs from the various nasal pumps that contain the medications I have to take. These will not rust, as they are designed for an environment much more corrosive than mere water will give. So, next time you go to throw that pump bottle away, take a look inside, and see if there isn't a nice stainless steel ball and spring that you can save for a future emergency! The severe cold winter we are now, hopefully leaving behind, has provided enough check balls for both of the Dee's that Jim Curry and I are putting together. And the pump actuator of my wifes liquid hand soap, has provided me with some lovely stainless springs for No.1 gauge cushioned underframes! You never know where you may find something extremely useful for live steaming! Keith Taylor
Re: Scrounging
You Sir are a Pack Rat after my own heart! Further more on springs, Ace Hardware Stores carry a selection of small steel springs that I have found usable for safty valves on Ruby ect. Many other small bits and pieces, an adventure with every visit. Scrounge On! Dan McGrath From: Keith Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Scrounging Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:57:14 -0500 Hi List friends! (or is that fiends?) Anyway, the reason for this post is to pass along a neat source of supply, that many of us may have overlooked. My good friend,and secretary of the North East Live Steamers gave me this tip. He was at a meet, and had troubles with a leaking whistle valve (on a off list topic 3-1/2 gauge loco!) in field stripping the offending valve, he lost the little stainless steel check valve ball!! What to do, as there was no shut off cock that he could close to isolate the whistle, and he didn't want to end his running for the day! It occured to him, that he had a replacement in his pocket!! A pump container of Afrin! (Al suffers from allergies, just as many of us do) Canibalizing the pump section, of a mostly used up nasal sprayer, provided him with not only a perfectly sized check valve ball, but also a lovely spare stainless steel spring. All winter long, I have been saving the check balls and springs from the various nasal pumps that contain the medications I have to take. These will not rust, as they are designed for an environment much more corrosive than mere water will give. So, next time you go to throw that pump bottle away, take a look inside, and see if there isn't a nice stainless steel ball and spring that you can save for a future emergency! The severe cold winter we are now, hopefully leaving behind, has provided enough check balls for both of the Dee's that Jim Curry and I are putting together. And the pump actuator of my wifes liquid hand soap, has provided me with some lovely stainless springs for No.1 gauge cushioned underframes! You never know where you may find something extremely useful for live steaming! Keith Taylor _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Scrounging
- Original Message - From: Daniel McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] You Sir are a Pack Rat after my own heart! Further more on springs, Ace Hardware Stores carry a selection of small steel springs that I have found usable for safty valves on Ruby ect. Dan, The springs in the pump bottles are perfect for safety valves, and you don't have to drive to the hardware store to get it!! But, the biggest point in their favor, is the fact that they are stainless!! No more rusting safety valve springs!! But, for those of us who do not wish to tear apart out already working safety valves, a little tip from an old timer friend of mine. At the end of your run, put a drop or two of steam cylinder oil into the orifice on top of the safety valve. The spring and ball will keep any from getting into the boiler, so you won't have to worry about foaming. But, the oil will protect any non stainless spring you may have already used, from rusting. The next time you steam up, when you test the safety valve (which you should do EVERY time you fire up!) the escaping steam will blow all traces of oil away, so again, none can get into the boiler. If you do this every time you clean up, you will be able to extend the life of your spring almost indefinitely! Keith
Re: Scrounging
Great Idea, Keith, I knew there were reasons why I love this site. I have just spent some time looking up alternate sources for wire cloth for butane burners, type 304 Stainless, 100, 60, and 40 mesh. Others too. I will report on this stuff when it arrives, soon I hope. Take care, Dan McGrath From: Keith Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scrounging Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:42:21 -0500 - Original Message - From: Daniel McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] You Sir are a Pack Rat after my own heart! Further more on springs, Ace Hardware Stores carry a selection of small steel springs that I have found usable for safty valves on Ruby ect. Dan, The springs in the pump bottles are perfect for safety valves, and you don't have to drive to the hardware store to get it!! But, the biggest point in their favor, is the fact that they are stainless!! No more rusting safety valve springs!! But, for those of us who do not wish to tear apart out already working safety valves, a little tip from an old timer friend of mine. At the end of your run, put a drop or two of steam cylinder oil into the orifice on top of the safety valve. The spring and ball will keep any from getting into the boiler, so you won't have to worry about foaming. But, the oil will protect any non stainless spring you may have already used, from rusting. The next time you steam up, when you test the safety valve (which you should do EVERY time you fire up!) the escaping steam will blow all traces of oil away, so again, none can get into the boiler. If you do this every time you clean up, you will be able to extend the life of your spring almost indefinitely! Keith _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Odious practices continue
Hello All, Although I tried desperately to refrain, I finally gave in and allowed a mental picture of a Shay with a 'cow-catcher' to amble through my mind. Have they no shame?! I'm all for a good whimsical creation on occasion, but this I could never stand for. (all said in good humor) However, in defense of the Brits, their actions could be comparable to me going over there to conduct a documentary and not fully understanding the history of their locomotives and railroad practices. I'm sure that at some point they would shake their heads and walk away mumbling obscenities. Later, Trent, who is afraid to go to sleep for fear of dreaming of Shays with 'cow-catchers'. cold shiver As a result, Brits will soon be regaled with the epic driving of the Golden Spike and the locomotives will be the shay, with a cow catcher attached to the foot boards and the pilot painted blue to represent one of the locomotives and faced in the other direction, the pilot is a pinkish-red.
Re: Scrounging
Great tip Keith! I don't know anyone who uses the pump nasal spray bottles, so my wife's soap dispenser is likely to be abducted by aliens or some equally convincing theory of disappearance. grin Actually, I'll probably check my other spray bottles scattered about the shop for stainless parts before risking life and limb tampering with my wife's stuff. Dan, check with any local facilities that have plastics extruders. At the outgoing end of the extruder is a breaker plate that will receive a set of stainless steel screens. I've always heard them referred to as screen packs. The screens get changed quite often so there's usually a good variety meshes available. They come in different diameters that can be trimmed to size and shape with a good heavy set of shears or tin snips. Later, Trent
