RE: 2 down, 1 to go?
Glad you are okay Walt. Our prayers are with everyone affected by Mother Natures wrath. But I have to tell you, I would take snow any day compared to the furry of a Hurricane. Stay well! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walt Swartz Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: 2 down, 1 to go? Hi, First Charlie, close but not a direct hit. We never seemed to have winds over about 80 mph in that one, and those were rain band associated gusts. It moved away quickly and things got back to normal soon. Only without electricity for three and half days. Naples was pretty much back to normal when we started buttoning down for Frances. Again Naples was spared a direct hit, but the pounding we are taking from the bands are getting to be a little much. Wind gusts again up to 80 and some very heavy rain squalls. So far the electric is still on - guess most of the trees that were going to fall, fell during the first one. Have not been able to contact the central Florida steamers yet, widespread power outages up there. The creep, crawl, and stall tactics of Frances is really taking a toll on the entire state. I 95 severed due to washout, and I75 on our side has standing water in places. When Andrew came through a few years back, it was rated a more severe storm for our area, but it went through quickly and did not seem as bothersome as these two have been. Manufactured housing sure took a beating in the last three weeks. Thousands of them are scattered over the landscape. And it will happen again. You can't accommodate affordably priced manufactured homes and hurricane proof building codes! One thing for sure, the steel shutters will stay up for a while. There's another one about a week away headed on the same path! The good news haven't seen snow in 22 years... Keep your steam up! B. W. Lunkenheimer and Associate The SWAMP RR, Naples, FL.
RE: R/C Glitching
Paul, Contact Sulphur Springs and ask them for a SAM-2 Glitch suppressor. I had a huge problem with my Fowler and it took care of it permanently. I believe it was around $99.00. Well worth it. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of paul gamlin Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: R/C Glitching I would like to here from members of this group that have and are using radio control and how they improved its performance . I just purchased a FM R/C unit and am trying to control the rusty bolt / glitching problem . Thanks Paul
RE: RH SRRL #24
I seem to remember reading the review in Steam in the Garden before I bought mine and the author stated that Roundhouse told him the scale of the #24 was 1:22.5 because they wanted to match the LGB offerings (coaches and freight cars) at the time. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Strong Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: RH SRRL #24 Roger Loxley told me it was to 9/16 scale as he felt it would me too big in 1:19. Interesting, considering the size of the 1:20 offerings available now. Makes you appreciate how small those 2' locos really were! Later, K
RE: took the ruby out for a spin ...
Great shot. Love the depth of field and the steam plume. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: took the ruby out for a spin ... and made this picture ... http://www.45mm.com/images/DSCF0046.jpeg \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/lists/ ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 22-25, 2004 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Alumaloy
Walt Swartz and Group, I was just watching an infomercial about a product called Alumaloy. If it works as advertised, it's incredible! Just wondering what the groups thoughts are about this product and if anyone has used it before. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Alumaloy
The product is suppose to have a breakage point of 35,000 ft pounds. It melts when the aluminum is at 728 degrees Fahrenheit. They so show engine blocks being rebuilt, bar stock being welded both with butt joints and with lap joints. You can heat the aluminum with a propane torch. It comes in 3/16 round, 12 long sticks. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Alumaloy Chuck, I've never heard of the stuff. Please tell us a little more about it. -vance- This is the time in life that I am living, and I'll face each day with a smile. For the time that I've been given is such a little while Arthur Lee
RE: Steam chat is alive on another list
Dave is supporting two lists? Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Steam chat is alive on another list Steam discussion is alive and well on another chat list. Try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign up: http://www.gardensteamers.com/small_scale.html List Guide: http://dmcole.com/sslivesteam_guide.html Steaming over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [MiniSteam] Digest Number 258 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- KnowledgeStorm has over 22,000 B2B technology solutions. The most comprehensive IT buyers' information available. Research, compare, decide. E-Commerce | Application Dev | Accounting-Finance | Healthcare | Project Mgt | Sales-Marketing | More http://us.click.yahoo.com/IMai8D/UYQGAA/cIoLAA/pCfwlB/TM -~- To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Dead Group From: mosquitojunction [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:30:11 - From: mosquitojunction [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dead Group Where is everyone gone, a long time passing Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Geoff's A3 and Big Boy
Geoff, I can't find it on SitG?? Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 5:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Geoff's A3 and Big Boy Gary, I wanted some barbs back--not an apology! Thanks, I failed again! Geoff. Sorry there Geoff. I guess I got my facts mixed up. - Original Message - From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Geoff's A3 and Big Boy Gary of the Trestle, Have you been sipping on the Trestle? I don't have a website-- and-I don't have a Big Boy. ( well- I did have a Rivarossi HO model one once upon a time!). However, I do have a bottle of Tanqueray I'll share with you on the Trestle. With respect, (sort of!) Geoff. Geoff, Went to your website and noticed you have a Big Boy listed, but the pictures did not show. Is this item sold? Is it operable? Can you post pictures? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: (No subject) One and all, Don't tell Dave I am mentioning this- (I hope he is out Trick and Treating)-I am advertising my (extra) Aster A3 kit on the SiTG site at a fair price. I already have a built up one. Geoff. P.S I heard on TV that some folks are beginning to return to check their homes in the Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead area. Hoping to hear good news from Bob and Jackie on their home
RE: The Fires!!!!!
Bob, Our prayers are with you and all of the other folks in California that are devastated by these terrible fires. The most important thing is that you and Jackie are safe. A house can be replaced, you cannot! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: The Fires! To all on the list. Jackie and I are ok. We have been evacuated from our house in the mountains. Right at this moment it is possibly burning. We left there on Saturday and moved to a motel in Big Bear. That is a mountain town which is now twenty miles or less from the fire. We left today because smoke was too thick and we are now staying in Pasadena with a good friend. I need all your prayers to help me thru this. I have no idea when or if I will have a home to go back to. Bob Jackie
Club, Informational and dealer listings
For my next article in Steam in the Garden I want to do an comprehensive informational resource guide for the beginners. Items such as local clubs around the country new folks can visit and learn, websites that contain valuable information on 'How to's and dealers info on where to buy engines and most importantly, supplies and parts. Those of you that feel you have valuable resources of any kind, please respond to me off list with the info and I will try to include as many listings as possible. Please include the name, address (website or us mailing address), phone number and a contact name if it is a club listing. Thanks folks in advance. This should be a valuable resource for the new folks. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Calling Zbigniew R. Struzik
Pardon the intrusion fellow listserv members. Zbigniew Struzik contacted me the other day for some info on the K-27's and when I tried to reply to him off list, I got bounced back with an invalid address. Zbigniew, please try again to send me an email off list so I may reply back. Thank you and again I am sorry for the intrusion. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Stainless Steel Wire
Bob and Everyone, Thank you for the replies. Lots of choices. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Wire Chuck, I used stainless steel type 304 on my switches. I got it from Small Parts Inc. Part #B-SWX-3043. 30 ft of it cost $5.65. I actually had it already as I use it to make my own springs. Bob
RE: Accucraft K-27
Jeff, Already read the review. Great job! Very accurate analysis. I have seen 463 and 464 many times, just none of the others and no 453 anywhere! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeffrey Williams Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Accucraft K-27 Chuck, I have a green #461. It will be featured in a review in the soon-to-be-delivered Steam in the Garden. You can see photos of it by Mike Martin at: http://www.panyo.com/dan2/ My K-27 is on photos # 1, 7, 10, 12, 13 In addition, I will send you photos by off-line email I am very pleased with this loco - looks great and runs great. Not a loco for a beginner, though - a few teething problems at first but eventually can be wrung out. Needs a lot of clearance to the scenery, though! Jeff Williams == Chuck Walters wrote: Does anyone have pictures of the K-27 in the 453 or the 461 in green paint schemes posted someplace? I would love to take a look at each before I order. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Accucraft K-27
Does anyone have pictures of the K-27 in the 453 or the 461 in green paint schemes posted someplace? I would love to take a look at each before I order. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Stolen Locomotive
Gary and All, Here is a link to the missing loco's picture. http://www.modelsteam.co.uk/hercules.html Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Stolen Locomotive One can only hope that the thief is ready for the classic World's dumbest crooks list or TV viewing which means the loco will turn up soon enough to enable this likely gorgeous loco to be manufactured and for the rest of us to run the loco as budgets allow. Have you posted a picture of the loco so we might identify it and notify the manufacturer? The picture might have contact info for reporting sightings. I suggest anyone who ID's the loco find a newscrew to film the arrest so we can enjoy watching the event. Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor This I think was an opportunist theft via the path alongside the premises. If the lowlife had known anything about the subject at all he would know that a model like this would be difficult to safely sell. -- Yours Aye Tag Gorton Longlands Western Railway Trematon Office Saltash Cornwall Directors: T. Gorton, Madame E. Lash
RE: N. Texas soil... [was: steel stud construction]
Trot, Around here (northeast) we use crushed limestone. The size of the aggregate is less than 1/8 and looks very scale. More importantly, the limestone dust semi hardens the stone when you wet it and it tends to stay put rather well. Very inexpensive. 1 ton costs us $7.00. If you mix it with concrete dust, you can have a permanent road bed that will not wash away. Very stable and looks great! Chuck Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Water Volumes
Peter, I believe we are talking the same thingeven with near boiling water, I have never run out of water before the gas. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Foley Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Water Volumes At 07:33 PM 06/07/03 -0400, Chuck Walters wrote: I have never had a boiler run dry when using hot water compared to warm or cold water. As stated in my article in issue 69 of SitG, the difference in volume between water at or near freezing and water at or near boiling is not significant enough to report. On a 100mL sample the volume difference is less than 5mL. Also, if you start with 200mL of water at 90 degrees Celsius or 200mL of water at 20 degrees Celsius, you still are staring with 200mL. I am being told by a reader that he is sure using hot water will cause the boiler to run out of water faster. I have NEVER had that happen and for all intents and purposes have NEVER noticed a bit of difference. Have any of you? I think we may be talking of two different things here. What is being suggested, I think is, that if you start with hot water it will boil and turn to steam much faster than if you start with cold water. It is then possible to use up all your water before the fuel runs out - we're talking about a loco here that doesn't have a fill valve on it. regards, pf
Water Volumes
I have never had a boiler run dry when using hot water compared to warm or cold water. As stated in my article in issue 69 of SitG, the difference in volume between water at or near freezing and water at or near boiling is not significant enough to report. On a 100mL sample the volume difference is less than 5mL. Also, if you start with 200mL of water at 90 degrees Celsius or 200mL of water at 20 degrees Celsius, you still are staring with 200mL. I am being told by a reader that he is sure using hot water will cause the boiler to run out of water faster. I have NEVER had that happen and for all intents and purposes have NEVER noticed a bit of difference. Have any of you? Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Status of Rio Pecos?
Bob and Phil, Bob has indeed decided to close up shop. Time to enjoy life. There was no big announcement. The web site is gone and the loco in the swap shop is indeed his last gauge 1 loco. He will be missed by a whole lot of folks. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Air Supply (not the band)
Bob, I don't run them for long. Just for a bit after I make some adjustments. There is enough residual oil in the cylinders to keep them lubed enough for the run. If its a new engine I am building, I add enough oil at the time of assembly. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Root Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Air Supply (not the band) If you use an air supply, what happens to the steam oil that is suppose to get to the cylinders? There is no steam to condense to displace the oil, wouldn't this mean that the cylinders are running without any lub. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Walters Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Air Supply (not the band) Vance, You are correct! I forgot cost and it does matter. I do not want to spend a fortune. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Air Supply (not the band) Chuck, the quiet ones are gonna cost you a LOT. But, cost wasn't in your list of parameters, so I guess that's no problem. What you want is a two-stage, oil bath compressor. The ones you buy down at the hardware store won't cut it -- you'll probably have to go to an industrial supply. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Air Supply (not the band)
I have been using a portable electric bike pump for years as an air supply to run the engines with. It is so NOISY! Wife hates it. Dog runs and hides. Etc, etc, etc. Who has a slick solution to this dilemma? Requirements: quiet, variable (0 to 80 psi or so), easily attached to the engine, etc. My Best, Chuck Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Air Supply (not the band)
Vance, You are correct! I forgot cost and it does matter. I do not want to spend a fortune. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Air Supply (not the band) Chuck, the quiet ones are gonna cost you a LOT. But, cost wasn't in your list of parameters, so I guess that's no problem. What you want is a two-stage, oil bath compressor. The ones you buy down at the hardware store won't cut it -- you'll probably have to go to an industrial supply. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
RE: Larry's Steamup
Thanks Bob, Steam up pictures and reports are one of my favorite things to see (next to being there)! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Larry's Steamup Here are pictures I took at Larry Banghams' this weekend. Thanks Larry and Dorthy, Jackie and I had a great time. http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/BobStarr/LARRY%20BANGHAM%20STEAMUP.html Bob Starr Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr http://www.standforpeace.com A HREF=http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/;ART IN GARDEN RAILROADING-THE CGNR/A http://www.geocities.com/cgnr.geo/
RE: Survey is posted/scale speeds
Geoff, I have a full set of scale speed charts posted on my website. They are scale specific and you can easily print them out if you wish. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Survey is posted/scale speeds Yep, I ran the F.S yesterday--I thought it was cruising at a nice 80mph--bet it was doing 156 at least. Geoff. Shays at a prototypical 60 mph? Hmmm! When Jeff brought his speed charts to PLS a few years ago I always thought I ran my RH#24 close to scale speed (about 20 mph). I was shocked when I timed it and found I was running at close to 45 MPH. Paul Quirk holds the current record at 155mph by the way. Phil P (Much snipped) Speaking of cow catchers, this Ruby has one--solid brass!. I'll let my Shay owner friends borrow it on occasion as most of them speed around at a prototypical 60mph. Well, you've been to steamups! Geoff.
RE: Survey is posted
Hi Folks, The survey results are posted for the first 148 respondents I have so far. I won't make any observations about the data, but I did find it very interesting and surprising. I will update the data each week or whenever I get at least 10 more responses. Thank you for taking part in the survey. Maybe it will do some good. The results can be found by going to http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw and clicking on the Survey Results link on the left side. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: Chuck Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:29 AM To: Small Scale Live Steam Subject: Survey is posted Hi Folks, The survey is posted. If you would like to take part, please go to http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw and click on the survey link on the left side. When I get enough responses, I will post the results and then update it thereafter. Pass the word. I truly would like to see what my peers are doing and what they want from future live steam offerings. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Survey is posted
Thanks Jeff! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Runge Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Survey is posted Chuck, Yep, on the what do we want to see produced question same results Aster got .. You name it, someone wants it, if you made it the way THEY wanted it. But very interesting to see. Thanks for your efforts, and a job well done! Well back outside to boil some more water... Jeff in NC
Survey is posted
Hi Folks, The survey is posted. If you would like to take part, please go to http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw and click on the survey link on the left side. When I get enough responses, I will post the results and then update it thereafter. Pass the word. I truly would like to see what my peers are doing and what they want from future live steam offerings. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Different strokes - Aster survey, fuel choices, etc. etc.
Phil Wrote: Anthony is calling it the way I see it. They will build what they are sure will sell. Interesting! And how do know what will sell By asking! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Different strokes - Aster survey, fuel choices, etc. etc. Anthony is calling it the way I see it. They will build what they are sure will sell. Phil P You can send in all the surveys you like, folks, It's how you vote with your dollars/pounds/euros/yen that will determine future offerings. Aster still has Colorado and Southern butane-fired Moguls for sale 12 years after their introduction. Accucraft still has electric 1:24 GLENBROOK Moguls for sale in spite of a production run of only 20. Aster and Accucraft will not ignore these lessons.
RE: Online Survey
Okay. Sounds like a survey (poll) to find out what folks like or dislike is a bad idea. Idea dropped! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Dixon Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Online Survey Ditto to Gary. 100%. Sounds like someone dislikes Aster,s in particular and people who run ' em in general. Dem grapes sure are looking sour!. But the fried cock roaches taste ok. and really crunchy. Especially when washed down with a Watney's. Have not yet tried toasting them on a cocktail stick over a coal burner though. Regards, Tony D. At 05:04 PM 3/17/03 -0800, Gary wrote: I for one am delighted that Aster managed to change from making gears for mechanical calculators to making very detailed steam locos. I expect if anyone of us wanted to make some locos we too would wish to know if we were going to go broke or make money on our investment of time and money. Good for them, they plan production. This way they stay in business long enough to make a loco I can afford (since there is no way I can dream of buying a Challenger!). Regarding liability of gas . . . I expect Mr. Lunkemheimer is correct, attorneys lurk around any sucessful company hoping to find a way to sue. Attorneys almost eliminated the American small aircraft industry. I hope attorney's never decide our hobby has enough money to sue live steam manufacturers for producing something that can toast a finger or make a burn (think of MacDonald's coffee award). Hopefully all of us realize the nature of our hobby is to make the dragons hot so we can enjoy watching them move. We just have to keep others away from our little finger toasters so they don't feel inclined to sue. Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor The only survey/poll/etc. that Aster is interested in answers the following: How many people are interested in putting up $x000,000.00 dollars in advance so that y number of locomotives of z type can be built and delivered freight ppd by buyer, who will also be the distributor, order taker, question answerer, repair person, re-shipper, crying towel holder, etc., etc., etc. And it will be alcohol fired because we are afraid of the liability of gas! In other words, you pay for it in advance and we will build it! Keep your steam up! Mr. Lunkemheimer
RE: Surveys/Polls
Pete, I never said what the survey would ask, just gave examples. I asked the listserv members to send ideas on what type of questions they would like to see info gathered on and one of the questions already in the survey was, What type of engine would you like to see manufactured? My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Surveys/Polls In a message dated 3/18/2003 3:02:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With that said, and in the hopes that the results of such a survey would be valuable to a few manufacturers, I have created a shell for an online survey that allows for anonymity and report ability. It is my intention that the results will be shared with as many manufacturers as possible, here on the listserv and reported in Steam in the Garden. Chuck, I'm confused about the objective. Surveying a group of us to find out what we have is pretty useless info for a manufacturer. He already knows how many he sold. Surely a poll/vote for the model I'd most like to own would be more use? If we, (a very interested party,) had a permanent list with votes attached to each engine, then a manufacturer could get some idea what we (a small specialist email group,) are interested in. Wouldn't it be nice to chop the top item off the list because a manufacturer released it? The obvious place to put it is on the sslivesteam home page. One could suggest that separate categories for std gauge versus NG might make sense? And maybe a $$ limit subcategory? I vote for an EBT Mike in 1:20.3. Gas fired - if only because my other engines already are! Less than $2500, like the Accu C-16. Pete
RE: alcohol vs butane vs white gas/Ken Shattock Burner
Oxidation of primary alcohols produces aldehydes. Methyl alcohol will react with hot copper(II) oxide to form formaldehyde. This reaction is especially interesting because of the changes that can be observed in the copper(II) oxide. Specifically the copper(II) oxide is converted to metallic copper which is then returned to copper(II) oxide and the process repeats as long as the copper(II) oxide/ copper metal remain hot. Which is why our wick tubes don't disintegrate. The problem is that this reaction will only take place in the presence of a strong oxidizing agent such as chromic anhydride, CrO3 , in sulfuric acid; potassium dichromate in sulfuric acid; and potassium permanganate, non of which are present. The upshot is that if this reaction is taking place, the amounts of formaldehyde produced should be at the trace level. However, safety always dictates to run engines in well vetillated spaces. H H C-OH + CuO - H C=O + Cu + HOH H H Methanol + Copper (II) Oxide - Formaldehyde + Copper + Water My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: alcohol vs butane vs white gas/Ken Shattock Burner At 02:32 AM 3/17/03 EST, you wrote: Alcohol fired flames applied to copper produces a formaldehyde gas To the List Chemists, How does this happen? It seems to me that some copper would have to be consumed for this to occur, but them I'm no chemist. And maybe this explains why certain alcohol-fired locomotive drivers I know (who shall remain nameless) appear to be pickled most of the time. :-) Regards, Harry
RE: Online Survey
Dave, Pole or survey, I believe the results of such an instrument will show such things as; what are the popular engine choices, what fuel is preferred, what accesories are generally desired when buying an engine, etc. If I were a manufacturer, I absolutely would want to know what my customers wanted. And as a fellow modeler, I want to know what my peers think. So I do believe it would be helpful. And Terry G., why is a discussion about proper questions to be included in a live steam survey, NON LIVE STEAM related? This I do not understand. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Online Survey chuck: while i commend your willingness to go the extra mile to garner hobbyists' viewpoints, what you are in fact building is a poll, not a survey. what you'll be able to say when you're done is that 73 percent of those who chose to respond to the poll said gauge one locomotives should have wheels spanning 45mm. you will not be able to say 73 percent of hobbyists said gauge one locomotives should ahve wheels spanning 45mm. my point has always been that none of the opinion-gathering techniques detailed so far are scientific. self-selection -- i.e., going to a web site and answering questions or returning a postcard -- skews the results. i have actually written up a method of creating a (mostly) statistically valid survey of our hobby, but decided that it is way, way off topic (if anybody is interested, i'll send you the explanation off-list), so i'm not posting it. but maybe i'm wrong; maybe a poll of self-selected hobbyists has some value and maybe i just don't see it. \dmc At 9:43 AM -0500 3/17/03, Chuck Walters wrote: I have been following the threads concerning the surveys that have taken place at various times within the last year. I took part in the Aster survey and found it to be (of course) geared toward Aster, which is okay as it was their survey. However, I don't believe a survey has been conducted in a long while that is totally unbiased and not manufacturer sponsored. With that said, and in the hopes that the results of such a survey would be valuable to a few manufacturers, I have created a shell for an online survey that allows for anonymity and report ability. It is my intention that the results will be shared with as many manufacturers as possible, here on the listserv and reported in Steam in the Garden. Maybe someone will take notice. What I need from this illustrious group is a list of questions that you would like to see on the survey. If possible, please make the questions geared toward check box answers. This will ensure a cleaner database. But one line answers will work also. When the survey is ready, I will post the link. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
RE: glitching
Hi Phil, This is the second winter. The original wood structure was built in the summer of 01'. As a matter of fact, I was just out there surveying the layout. Other than some Aristo switch machines not working (I am converting everthing to Sunset Valley throws this Spring), the layout is dead flat and the track is straight and true. So far, the floating pier system has proven to work in our area. At one point this winter, even the high side of the track (which is five feet off the ground) was buried under Old Man Winter. I have included a picture of the layout covered in a bit less snow in my next article in SitG. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching Hi Chuck; I'm curious to find out how your railroad made it through the winter. This assumes, of course, that you can see it this early in the season. Here in SE PA it looks like it's starting to give up. Phil.P. The newer #24's have a Hitec 3 channel FM radio with built in circuitry that does not allow you to turn off the transmitter. If you do, the servos go back to neutral automatically. Engine stops! BTW, I hate it! Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching O.K. With the servo smoother installed, you can run with the transmitter turned off. I was thinking in terms of standard R-C units. The rule the airplane guys always used was transmitter on first and off last to prevent servo lockup. The main reason I went with RCS was for the small transmitter and so I could add a Soundtraxx Sierra sound unit to my SRRL #24. Like Earle, my #24 came with one of the earlier radios. I understand the newer units have a better radio with them. Phil My point was that with the Servo Smoother installed my #24 will remain at whatever direction/throttle settings I set it at and work just fine (glitch-free) even with the Transmitter turned off. For those of us with glitching R/C setups this device is a much cheaper way to get our units working properly without replacing with an RCS system. From whats been said here even some people with RCS systems have experienced the dreaded GlitchEarle
RE: glitching
Sandy loam soil! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching Good news on the track being straight and true as well as the layout being flat. Frankly I had my doubts. I was sure frost heaving would get you with all sorts of unevenness. I think you have had worse winters than we had in 02. I'm not sure about this one as this is the worse one we've had since 96. It looks like things are starting to change now though. One more question though. Is your soil fairly firm or do you get some muddy areas in your yard? I doubt that it's sandy, But I could be wrong. Phil Hi Phil, This is the second winter. The original wood structure was built in the summer of 01'. As a matter of fact, I was just out there surveying the layout. Other than some Aristo switch machines not working (I am converting everthing to Sunset Valley throws this Spring), the layout is dead flat and the track is straight and true. So far, the floating pier system has proven to work in our area. At one point this winter, even the high side of the track (which is five feet off the ground) was buried under Old Man Winter. I have included a picture of the layout covered in a bit less snow in my next article in SitG. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching Hi Chuck; I'm curious to find out how your railroad made it through the winter. This assumes, of course, that you can see it this early in the season. Here in SE PA it looks like it's starting to give up. Phil.P. The newer #24's have a Hitec 3 channel FM radio with built in circuitry that does not allow you to turn off the transmitter. If you do, the servos go back to neutral automatically. Engine stops! BTW, I hate it! Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching O.K. With the servo smoother installed, you can run with the transmitter turned off. I was thinking in terms of standard R-C units. The rule the airplane guys always used was transmitter on first and off last to prevent servo lockup. The main reason I went with RCS was for the small transmitter and so I could add a Soundtraxx Sierra sound unit to my SRRL #24. Like Earle, my #24 came with one of the earlier radios. I understand the newer units have a better radio with them. Phil My point was that with the Servo Smoother installed my #24 will remain at whatever direction/throttle settings I set it at and work just fine (glitch-free) even with the Transmitter turned off. For those of us with glitching R/C setups this device is a much cheaper way to get our units working properly without replacing with an RCS system. From whats been said here even some people with RCS systems have experienced the dreaded GlitchEarle
RE: glitching
The newer #24's have a Hitec 3 channel FM radio with built in circuitry that does not allow you to turn off the transmitter. If you do, the servos go back to neutral automatically. Engine stops! BTW, I hate it! Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Paskos Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: glitching O.K. With the servo smoother installed, you can run with the transmitter turned off. I was thinking in terms of standard R-C units. The rule the airplane guys always used was transmitter on first and off last to prevent servo lockup. The main reason I went with RCS was for the small transmitter and so I could add a Soundtraxx Sierra sound unit to my SRRL #24. Like Earle, my #24 came with one of the earlier radios. I understand the newer units have a better radio with them. Phil My point was that with the Servo Smoother installed my #24 will remain at whatever direction/throttle settings I set it at and work just fine (glitch-free) even with the Transmitter turned off. For those of us with glitching R/C setups this device is a much cheaper way to get our units working properly without replacing with an RCS system. From whats been said here even some people with RCS systems have experienced the dreaded GlitchEarle
RE: A real efficient burner
Gary, I think you should make it work! Might boil away all your water in 10 seconds, but heck, it would fly down the track for a short period. 8} Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: A real efficient burner My father recommends a real burner from his work to help my little Alisan Shay keep it's steam up. http://www.kleinbottle.com/meter_tall_klein_bottle.html Do you think this would be overkill? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
RE: Track structure
Harry, Jim Pitts track. There is a picture of it on the back cover of SitG number 68 and here is a link to it on Southern Steam Trains website. http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/gallery02/willjimcoalfired02-1027.jpg Also check issue 67 of SitG for an article on building a raised layout. The Trex could be substituted for the regular deck boards the author used quite easily. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Track structure I have recently seen a picture of an elevated track which appears to use conventional treated (one would assume) framing lumber or timber for the supporting structure and Trex (or equivalent) synthetic wood plank for the deck surface. The plank was cut into short sections the width of the deck at whatever point and laid cross-wise with a small space between each plank. The deck was edged by a continuous skirt, wood I suppose, and the planks nestled very neatly between the skirts. Does anyone know whose track this is or know of another similarly constructed track? The cost of the synthetic plank might make this an expensive technique but the whole thing looked really nifty AND weather resistant. Cheers, Harry
RE: We're moving!
Excellent Kevin! Congrats! We'll expect to see your new garden railway by..let's say the end of Feb. with the first steamup the first Sat of March. Better get digging! ;} Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Strong Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: We're moving! That's right - we finally got tired of being cramped up in an apartment, so we're moving a few miles east into our new (to us) house. Actually, it's only 10 years old, so there's not any fixer-upping that needs to be done. So, grab a pen and paper, PDA, or click on your address book to take down our new info, 'cuz we're only going to send this once. NEW: Allison and Kevin Strong 5379 S. Jebel St. Centennial, CO 80015 303-694-4209 (That actually stayed the same.) Unfortunately, we'll be off-line for a week or so while we wait for our new internet connection to be installed. We'll send the new e-mail address once we get it. In the mean time, you can reach us via [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don't forget the c between the k and the strong.) Hey! I said write it down! Don't just flag this message for future reference. You'll forget about it, and then you won't be able to find us. Unless you're the IRS, we don't want that to happen. We'd do the same for you, honest. We'll let you know when we're back on line. 'til then, if your in the area, we'll have boxes that need unpacking! Later, K A
RE: AristoCraft Steamer
Paul, Fact as given from Lewis Polk: It will be a 1:20.3 scale engine. The only other thing he would say is, that it would simple and everyday ordinary. He also states that he may have a prototype for the ECLSTS. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Golisch Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: AristoCraft Steamer Has anybody heared something more about the AC Steamer? Releasedate? Prototype? Scale? Any roumors welcome... :o))) Keep up your steam Paul Golisch
Dan Pantages
Dan, Can you contact me off list please? My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Photos
AWESOME!! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Fw: Photos At 9:43 PM -0800 12/30/02, Dan Pantages wrote: Here are some steam pictures for you Dave. this wass Saturday -1deg. and dry. Dan to make your new years' eve a little brighter, i've uploaded dan's pictures to http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/pantages-0212/ happy new year. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: Photos
Geoff, When Ron sent it this afternoon, I had to go back several times just to be amazed. http://www2.incredimail.com/multimedia/flash/new_year4.swf My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Photos AWSOME is right---wotta fabulous railroad!! Thanks Dave. So! Happy New Year to you all. I would like to pass on a Happy New Year as Ron Brown sees it!! http://www2.incredimail.com/multimedia/flash/new_year4.swf Yer gotta go thar--even if yer've already bin thar! Geoff. AWESOME!! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Fw: Photos At 9:43 PM -0800 12/30/02, Dan Pantages wrote: Here are some steam pictures for you Dave. this wass Saturday -1deg. and dry. Dan to make your new years' eve a little brighter, i've uploaded dan's pictures to http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/pantages-0212/ ^^^
RE: Layout construction web pages up
Dave, Wonderful start! I love the idea of the layout mounted to the handrails of the deck. It makes for easy access, easy night time running, great entertaining possibilities, and the deck is huge so the layout is big too. Great job. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Layout construction web pages up all hands: i finally got the time to whip up a page or two on how i built my backyard elevated steam layout. i'm missing a bunch of pictures, so when i find them, there will be an update. but for now http://www.45mm.com/gte-construction/ have a good weekend. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: Steam oil
please don't refer to Australia as Oz. John, Will respect your wishes, but I know of several small scale live steamers who belong to this list and others that refer to their location as OZ. Hard to think of it as a derogatory term when the folks that live there use it themselves. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Steam oil At 07:07 PM 12/9/02 +1100, you wrote: please don't refer to Australia as Oz. John, I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten years which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly and invariably refer to their location as Oz, I think more as an expedient acronym as anything else, and none of them have ever mentioned that it might be thought of as derisive. This isn't to say that you shouldn't, that's for you to decide, but I was surprised to hear someone say that it was. I thought of it as a rather lighthearted reference. Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn
RE: clearance
Twin Lakes Railway uses 7 center to center both on the straights and on the curves and we have had two Accucraft C-16's passing each other with no problems. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: clearance In anticipation of future traffic gains on the SWAMP RR, Mr. Lunkenheimer, CFO, wishes to expand trackage and install a passing siding and a switching yard. Is there a standard for the width of 1:20.3 locomotives? The switching yard will probably only have a 1 clearance (actual, not scale) between car sides. Are there any standards for car widths in 20.3? Keep your steam up! Walt, Mr. Lunkenheimer's associate PS If anyone out there will admit to having a Bachmann Sparkie Mogul, what is the overall width of the loco?
RE: gte has first run
Welcome back to operations Dave! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: gte has first run all hands: tonight, under a moonlit sky (with supplemental jury-rigged lighting), the track crew of the grand teton everglades steam excursion co. laid down the last few feet of rail. to celebrate, the operations crew fired up the frank s. and ran it all the way around the line, a first. this is also the first time since the slide of 2000 that the frank s. has run on its own rails. photos and further commentary will be forthcoming, but i just wanted everyone to know: we're back in business! \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: instant Aster collection
The Big Boy sold fast. $15,999 on a 'Buy It Now'. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sslivesteam;colegroup.com]On Behalf Of VR Bass Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: instant Aster collection Here's your chance to acquire an instant Prestige Aster Collection, thanks to eBay and somebody who bought a bunch of high-end locos and never even ran them. (He states this with an air of pride) Daylight http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1788615613 Big Boy http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1788615613 Makes you wonder (well, it makes ME wonder). -vance-
RE: HOAX, was Re: ?virus
Bob, Oh what a great debate you and Geoff have started, Mac vs. PC. But as this is a live steam listserv, so we should be arguing that Roundhouse is better than Accucraft not that a PC is far superior to a Mac, even though it is!!! ; ) My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sslivesteam;colegroup.com]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: HOAX, was Re: ?virus In a message dated 11/10/02 9:25:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or buy an iMac! Oh! You Mac people are so pompous:-) I will someday, all my friends who are into serious graphics use them. Bob
RE: BAGRS Loco
Here you go Todd! http://www.panyo.com/project/ My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sslivesteam;colegroup.com]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: BAGRS Loco Hello All, Some time ago I found a great website detailing the construction of the BAGRS project loco, unfortunately I have not been able to find this site again. If anybody is familiar with this site please send me the URL. I have a sudden interest in building the BAGRS loco and would appreciate any info or advice that the list could pass along. Thanks Todd Dukes
FLS
Any word yet on when FLS will be back online?? My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: sslivesteam archive
A friend is seeking information on re-painting an Aster locomotive. I remember a discussion on this topic, however I do not know how to access the sslivesteam archive. Please advise. Jim Pitts Actually Jim, I would like to see any new responses folks have. With everyone's indulgence, let's treat this as a new thread and see what answers pop up. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Pitts Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: sslivesteam archive A friend is seeking information on re-painting an Aster locomotive. I remember a discussion on this topic, however I do not know how to access the sslivesteam archive. Please advise. Jim Pitts
RE: Methanol
I have never had a bit of problems with SLX. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of VICKIE-MARIE PARKER Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Methanol Hi John, I haven't had much luck with Home Depot's S-L-X alcohol. I much prefer methanol. S-L-X has a tendency to clog things. I understand that the mix isn't always consistent. I have a fun connection to high grade methanol through friends in the NASCAR circuit. The guys who were at Tony's steam-up in Livermore will understand. Stay feisty! Vickie-Marie - Original Message - From: John Coughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Methanol Hello Steve, Go to Home Depot and get S-L-X Paint Thinner, it is pure ethanol denatured with pure methanol, i.e. denatured alcohol or methelated spirits and will burn hot and clean. All the best, John Coughran, 310-318-1547, 1525-A Artesia Blvd, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266-7160, USA
RE: Ron's Steamup?
It is Ron Brown's (SitG owner/editor) annual (by invite) steam up near Binghamton, New York. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CWolcott Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Ron's Steamup? What and Where is the Ron's Steamup I keep seeing? If its near (B'ham AL) I'd like to pop by.
RE: Goodal Valve for RH Lady Anne
The RH water top up kits for the basic series engines are designed to attach at the backhead. They are kits specific to the basic engines and are not the usual Goodall type valve most of us are used to. It is a bolt on kit where you remove the stock steam regulator and replace part of it with a new collar that has the water top up attached and then put it back together with the steam regulator. They would not work on Lady Ann without a lot of modification. Norm Saley does all my conversions to Goodall valves. He takes the boiler filler cap and drills it out and adds the valve. Very simple, very quick. Extremely reasonable and excellent turn around time. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of VR Bass Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Goodal Valve for RH Lady Anne On 15 Aug 2002 at 22:09, Matthias Warmbold wrote: Where could I get a Goodal (or Clack) valve for my Roundhouse Lady Anne Matthias, I'll let one of our Roundhouse dealers answer this question definitively, but I strongly suspect that the top-off valves for all the RH locos use the same thread. It just makes sense, and the folks at RH are sensible people. Of course, they may have discovered some reason not to do so, but I'd be surprised if this were the case. -vance- There are two ways to make a person homeless -- destroy his home or make his home look like everyone else's.
RE: Goodal Valve for RH Lady Anne
Matthias, There will be plenty of folks that would be more than glad to help out. See you next week! Norm will be there! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matthias Warmbold Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Goodal Valve for RH Lady Anne Chuck, Thanks for the info. I try to make it to Ron's steam-up; Tom told me that Norm might attend too (I had asked him who could sell me teflon wire.). I hope to see you both there. I need someone to check my RH pressure gauge and safety valve, it blows off at 20 PSI. Either the pressure gauge or the safety valve is not functioning properly. I hope that someone can help me at the steam-up. Regards, Matthias --- Chuck Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RH water top up kits for the basic series engines are designed to attach at the backhead. They are kits specific to the basic engines and are not the usual Goodall type valve most of us are used to. It is a bolt on kit where you remove the stock steam regulator and replace part of it with a new collar that has the water top up attached and then put it back together with the steam regulator. They would not work on Lady Ann without a lot of modification. Norm Saley does all my conversions to Goodall valves. He takes the boiler filler cap and drills it out and adds the valve. Very simple, very quick. Extremely reasonable and excellent turn around time. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
RE: Box car and water pumps
I didn't see it either. Graham, you could have gotten a message containing a virus that was created by a mass mailer that used Carl's name as an alias but was mailed from some anonymous source. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CRS Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Box car and water pumps What are you talking about? What message? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of cgprod Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Box car and water pumps Hi sslivesteam users. Do not open message reading ( on behalf of Carl Malone ;;this message contains a virous Graham s - Original Message - From: Carl H. Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Box car and water pumps question do you use R/C to work your pump ( ie ) just on/off Thanks again. Graham.S Graham, the Renger pump comes R/C ready to just plug it into your receiver. It uses the same battery pack that the R/C system uses. The one I use in the box car is modified for manual control . I did this by removing the servo amplifier and wiring directly to the servo motor. It is controlled with a simple on/off switch. Carl Carl Malone Algerita Botanical Railway San Angelo, Tx
RE: more summer steamup photos ...
Dave, The links you gave take you to the Cole Pages. Here is Fridays link on Dave's site: http://www.summersteamup.com/pix/nss02-friday/index.html and Saturday's link: http://www.summersteamup.com/pix/nss02-saturday/index.html My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: more summer steamup photos ... more photos at http://www.summersteamup.com/pix/saturday/ some captions have been fixed at http://www.summersteamup.com/pix/friday/ also, see mike martin, royce woodbury and richard finlayson's coverage at http://www.steamup.com/ thanks. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: more summer steamup photos ...
Dave, Double click and I still get the same Oops. File not found and it defaults to your page with: The Cole Pages (in gothic type), the date 2002/07/14:10:23:54 and this tag; Newspapers, technology, journalism, publishing My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: more summer steamup photos ... At 6:40 AM -0400 7/14/02, Chuck Walters wrote: The links you gave take you to the Cole Pages. chuck: did you double-click on those links or did you retype them? i just double-clicked them (as i had last night before i sent them) and they went thru fine ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Odd Coincidence
I recently purchased a Hemmens Porter from a member of this listserv (an awesome gentleman, by the way) and while waiting very anxiously for it's arrival, I did a little web surfing, looking for pictures of the Porter. I was then reminded of a thread that popped up last February on this list that ultimately disclosed that Yesteryear Toys had a web page that stated they were going to release a Porter in late 2000. I called said company only to find out the Porter was not going to be done at all. Low and behold, I went back to that same site today and saw that the verbiage had been changed and now stated delivery for late 2002. Again a phone call was placed to Yesteryear. This time, I was told the project is on hold. Please notice, since 10:00 AM this morning, the verbiage under the picture has been change to, Production schedule has not been finalized. I also asked point blank, Is the Porter based on Max Hemmens designs? and was told yes it was. In fact, the picture they have posted on their website is unmistakably a MH Porter clone. So, there is hope for those looking for a MH Porter. When, is uncertain. They also did say, they were going to start selling the Cheddar Samson very soon. Here is the web address for the picture and verbiage: http://www.yesteryeartoys.com/cgi-local/toycatalog.cfm?view=Porter My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: sanddome,steamdome
http://www.san-val.com/ does work! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Denning Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: sanddome,steamdome The internet address for Sal-Val doesn't work. Any idea what correction is needed? Thanks Michael Florida USA Iron Nut - Original Message - From: VR Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:16 AM Subject: Re: sanddome,steamdome 2. Trackside Details makes several sizes of domes in American style. You can order their parts by mail from Sal-Val Trains http://www.san-val.com/, or from Caboose Hobbies http://www.caboosehobbies.com. You should contact them
Tenmille Ground Throws
Is anyone using Tenmille ground throws on Aristocraft wide radius switches? Easy conversion? Where did you buy them if you are? Thanks everyone. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Dee Parts
Fellow Steamers, My intentions on building a DEE have met with a snag. Actually, to many irons in the fire and no time in the fore seeable future to build her. In any case, I have a new full set of wheel castings and axle guards (two guards came slightly damaged, but Harry says they can be easily fixed) as offered by Harry Wade and a set of frames as offered by Jim Curry. I will depart with them for $125.00 plus shipping. If interested, drop me an email off list. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Hospital time!
Best of luck Keith! Stay well! Recover fast! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Taylor Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Hospital time! I will be going into the hospital for some surgery on Friday morning. For those who might need my assisitance as IBLS secretary, my wife, Ginny, will be reading my e-mails and will get any important messages to me, and she will type up any replies needed. getting out membership cards and registrations may take a little extra time, so please be patient. All IBLS business will be handled as soon as I'm able. I don't expect poor Ginny to do all the household chores, take care of me and be the IBLS secretary as well! Thanks for your patience! Keith Taylor Secretary, East Coast USA International Brotherhood of Live Steamers.
RE: Dr. Cohen
Our thoughts and prayers are with Abe for a speedy and full recovery! My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Dr. Cohen Hi, For those of you that know Abe Cohen (the 'Island Doctor' from Long Island, NY and Marco Island, FL), I regret to report that he suffered a severe stroke three weeks ago. I have visited him a few times, but since I have a late season cold have not spent much time there, and stayed a good distance from Abe. I spent about a half hour with Abe Joan at the hospital today and I'm pleased to report that he is able to carry on a very limited conversation (mostly about trains and very short words) but is unable to use his left arm. He has VERY limited use of his left leg but he is able to move it slightly. That is an improvement over the past two weeks. For those of you so inclined, a little intervention from a higher authority would be appreciated. Keep your steam up! Walt
C-16 differences
A Question for the list. What is the difference between the #268 C-16 (AC87-115) and the C-16 DRGW #278 Black (AC87-117). Is the #268 identical to the Bee except in black? My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: New guy with a Coupler question
#1...Not sure yet! Should know soon though! #2...To the truck using the existing screw and hole to factory coupler is held on with! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Earle Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: New guy with a Coupler question Thanks! Two questions: 1-Are you going to use the Kadee #831 for the front also? 2-Did you mount the rear coupler to the tender truck or the tender body? Thanks! .Earle - Original Message - From: Chuck Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: New guy with a Coupler question I installed a Kadee 831 on the back. You have to cut a small square notch in the lid of the gear box to use the existing tapped hole in the Forney coupler tang. Took two minutes to complete with a Dremel. Perfect height, works great. I have not converted the front yet, but will do so soon and report! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO
RE: Accucraft
Interesting! I point blank asked Accucraft (in an email) if there was even going to be a Daylight in live steam. The representative wrote me back and said in very distinct, bold print.NO! What gives, the employees don't know what's going on That was a month ago! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Williams Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Accucraft I was at Accucraft HQ this afternoon to get some gaskets and asked Bing about the Shay release and the SP Daylight in live steam. Bing said that the first 5 production Shays were in the next container - one to two weeks. He said that they have a back order for over 500 units, so it will take a while for them to clear that demand. He also said that the live steam SP Daylight delivery is a year and a half from now.
RE: Porter
I wrote to Yesteryear Toys and asked about the Porter. this was their reply: The Porter was a prototype model and has not been scheduled for production. The locomotive models currently available are located under the Yesteryear Toy Shop section. Thank you for your time and interest. Too bad! If it was indeed based on Maxwell Hemmens design, I would have ordered one. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
RE: Porter
It's interesting that the 'blurb' written underneath the engine in the Yesteryear website says production to begin in early 2000. Do they mean 2002 or did this project never get off the ground? I see a very distinct resemblance to the Hemmens Porter in the picture also ;) Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 3:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Porter Speaking of Porters, has anyone any comments about this new Porter? http://www.yesteryeartoys.com/cgi-local/toycatalog.pl?view=Porter Gary - Eugene, OR
RE: Dee Project books
Jim, I sent out a check for the Project Book today if you want to wait and place the order all at once. Should be there by Sat. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Curry Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Dee Project books Tony: I've been ordering books all along, they pulled in stocks from dealers in England to satisfy our needs. As soon as I receive your check I'll order them up. Thanks. Jim
Cheddar Iver
I noticed in one of the pics from DH that someone ran a Cheddar Iver there. For those who went to DH, how did it run? What impressions did it give you? Chuck
RE: (MORE) Diamondhead Pictures Posted
Great shots Mike! Well done and thanks for posting them! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Martin Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: (MORE) Diamondhead Pictures Posted All, I have posted 94 pictures from the Diamondhead event at http://www.panyo.com/dh2002 I hope you enjoy them. Regards, Michael Martin http://www.panyo.com/steamups (SF Bay Area Steamups and Model Engineering)
RE: Bio
Welcome to the list Les! Checked out your website. Looks like you could make some serious live steamers in there! We certainly will gain from your expertise in the field of metal work. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Les Grenz (by way of Dave Cole) Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Bio Newbie Introduction I have no idea if this will get to the proper place but here goes. I am 63 years old, close to retirement and have been a model railroader (HOn3) for many years with a serious interest in home machining for the last 20 years. I have no experience with live steam railroading but have had a latent interest in it. My friend recently purchased a Ruby and this has piqued my interest. A back yard railroad is out of the question as my back yard is rather small and my knees are terrible. My interests would be more related to locomotive construction. I do not wish to appear selfish but I hope lurking is permissible. Having no experience in live steaming I cannot contribute much but will have questions. I have been reading some of the archives and this appears to be a very informative group. I look forward to learning. Regards, Les Grenz Denver, CO http://www.lesgrenz.homestead.com/Leshomepage.html
