RE: Boiler commentary
I think that there are possibly three reasons that the units are tested to such pressures that don't necessarily have any metallurgical bearing: 1) Users may have a tendency to raise the pressure setting on their pressure relief valves above what the factory intends. Since the majority of prv's are not staked or tagged like their full sized brethren, this is easy to do. A number of safety valves from Accucraft do not have an inherent adjustability like the small valves similar to the type that Aster uses. So people put shims in them to raise the spring pressure, or stretch the spring. In normal applications of pressure relief valves, if you pull the wire and tag off, your insurance is NULL. Since our units aren't directly subject to insurance or regulatory inspections. 2) Pressure gauges are not normally checked for accuracy in the US. I have not run across any mention of gauge checking being available at any steam meet. The cost of a master gauge traceable to NIST is about the cost of a Ruby. The cost of one of those calibrated piston pressure generators for gauge testing is much higher. (Don't reply about them being easy to make, I am talking about one that is NIST traceable). Also there would be the cost of recertification of the equipment every year, and liability insurance for providing the service. 3. CYA and government regulations. The latest Accucraft boilers are coming with a boiler certificate for satisfaction of European regulations. This requirement has been discussed somewhere in cyber space more than a few times. Mike Eorgoff
Hex Bronze?
Rolling in on the heels of the brass vs. bronze question Does anyone have a readily available source for HEX bronze? MSC, McMaster, etal do not seem to have anything in bars but various round configurations. Mike Eorgoff -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005
Re: Off Topic
Royce, There are MSDS at wd40.com Mike Eorgoff -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005
Frank S. gas supply tube gasket?
Is there supposed to be a gasket in the fitting at the tender end of the Frank S. gas tube? If so, what type? Mike Eorgoff -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004
2005 Summer Steamup Date?
When is the 2005 Summer Steamup in Sacramento? Mike Eorgoff www.eastbranchtrains.com
Re: Regner locos/cleaning.
From: "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Regner locos/cleaning. > The problems were all solved as I met a Swiss team who introduced me to a > mixture of white spirits (turpentine substitute) with 15-20% paraffin Is this paraffin what we in the US call Kerosene, or the thick candle wax with the same name? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: RH SR&RL #24
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This is an amazing polyglot of info. I stand by my original thought: why > can't we have a scale model in 7/8n2(1:13.9) for gauge-1 track! That would be > a monster. > > Pete Rishon Locomotives of Austrlia is advertising a 7/8 Portland Forney on p.43 of SITG #75. Mike Eorgoff
Jun's Messages
Why do Jun Kitsukawa's messages always come in on an alternate form from normal list message traffic? Mike Eorgoff
Walt's portable layout
Did Walt ever get around to documenting his new style layout construction method that is very light in weight? Mike Eorgoff
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4th ANNUAL MIDWEST SMALL SCALE STEAMUP 7,8,9 May, 2004 St. Peters (St. Louis) Missouri. Holiday Inn Select We have two portable tracks for you to enjoy. One track has minimum 10ft radius curves, two tracks(45mm), and storage sidings. The other track is dual gauge, 32mm & 45mm, with a 6' 3" minimum radius. This year there will be available special handling for females accompanying since it is (un)fortunately also mother's day weekend. Information: Web: www.geocities.com/teaton63376/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: Mike Eorgoff 630-830-5885 (Before 9 PM Chicago time) St. Peters (St. Louis) Missouri. Holiday Inn Select, 800-767-3837 or 636-928-1500 for rooms. Mike Eorgoff
Re: Australian Boiler codes
- Original Message - From: "mart.towers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Australian Boiler codes > Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've heard of sssteamers in the US having > to boiler test & take out insurance for 'mall' exhibitions. HUSH! Mike Eorgoff
ssls Austrailian Boiler Codes
Interesting things afoot in Australia regarding small scale boiler codes. I just received Australian Model Engineering (AME) issues 112 (January) and 113 (March). Some group identified as RitGoG approached AMBSC about coverage of small scale boilers down towards the 35 psi, 1 liter, 2 inch diameter AMBSC exclusion zone that basically exceeded the pressure limit. AMBSC said not in the form submitted. So AMBSC had a meeting with an interested group of people, not RitGoG, and sent it back to RitGoG for comment. At this point, after stirring up the hornets nest, RitGoG backed out saying that it was too much work, and they just wanted to play trains. So AMBSC is left holding the nest, so to speak, and looking to get a decent representation of interests in deciding what to do about the new part of the code that they have taken on development of. So things will probably get interesting since AMBSC has to thrash this out. Mike Eorgoff
Re: Ruby Direction Valve Steam Fluid Mechanics
Well,,, the plumbing modification does put the boiler steam into the largest possible space on the valve. And the plumbing change would reverse the direction control lever operation, which when coupled with the Hottmann eccentric change would put the direction control back in synchronization with the direction of the engine. But it would be reversing the effect of the eccentric change since the forward cross pipe from the valve to the cylinders would now be the forward direction steam supply, instead of the rear cross pipes after the Hottmann change. This I think would put you back to outside admission. So put the eccentrics back the way they were. And if you want to straighten out the direction lever orientation, move the rod to below the pivot. Mike Eorgoff East Branch Trains - Original Message - From: "Landon Solomon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: RE: Ruby Direction Valve Steam Fluid Mechanics > So... You're saying I had a good idea? > > http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/trotfox/pix/RubySuzy/crossedpipes.jpg > > Eccentrics have also been reversed, engine is still in pieces and has not > been steamed in this configuration. > > Trot, the criss-crossed, fox...
Ruby Direction Valve Steam Fluid Mechanics
Part of the reason that a factory condition Accucraft Ruby will go better in reverse than in forward is due to the fluid mechanics in the direction control block. With the direction control in the forward direction, the steam path is very different dimensionally than when in the reverse direction. Physical Structure: The valve body is a rectangular machined brass with an approximately 5 mm hole down the middle opening to the rear for the valve plug mechanism. Steam from the boiler enters the valve through a top rear opening, and exhausts through a top forward opening. On each side there are two pipes going to the cylinder valves. When the direction control is in the forward position, the front tube(s) supplies steam to the cylinder valves, and the rear side tube(s) is the exhaust. In reverse, this is reversed. The round valve shuttle (plug) is a machined metal plug with tight sliding fit to the body. There is a threaded rear hole for attachment to the mechanisms. This hole is not through into the steam space. This threaded attachment is used to adjust the depth of the valve plug into the valve body. The valve shuttle has two grooves machined into the circumference. The rear one is relatively narrow and approximately 1.7 mm in width and .4 mm in depth. The forward one is about 7.3 mm in width and 0.5 mm in depth. From the rear groove bottom to the front of the shuttle there is a 1.7 mm round passage that makes a sharp bend and then through the front. This passage is +12 mm long. Steam Flow: When in the forward direction, the steam enters the rear groove. From there enters a sharp edged 1.7 mm hole that is perpendicular to the bottom of the grove. This entry hole can be in any radial position in relation the point where steam enters. The steam then goes through a 90 degree sharp angle and proceeds through the rest of the passage down the center of the valve plug to the front of the valve plug. From there it flows into the full center space of the 5 mm diameter valve body, and then into the pipes leading to the cylinder valves. When entering this forward space, it must fill this space, and transfer at right angles into the cylinder pipes. The exhaust from the cylinders utilizes the longer valve shuttle groove in its path to the stack. When in the reverse direction, the small groove and its restricted steam passage are not used. The valve shuttle is pulled back leaving the smaller groove behind the steam supply port, and the though passage is blocked. The longer groove then provides the steam passage from the supply to the cylinders. The exhaust utilizes the full 5 mm of the valve body to go from the cylinders to the stack. Executive Summary: The valve is asymmetrical, with a more efficient fluid path when placed in the reverse direction mode. Mike Eorgoff
Gas
It works. Just don't leave the engine out in the Sun on a hot day with a full tank and not running. Mike Eorgoff
Re: RUBY TUNEUP QUESTION
A lot of engines, even prototype, run better one way than the other. The eccentric change mentioned by Kevin will provide a mechanically more sound operation of the valve system. But you will still have forward being easier than reverse. Not a bad thing. Mike Eorgoff
Glass tubing strength
Wondering about glass tubing strength. In the US borosilicate glass tubing is now made to metric sizes. The 5 mm OD tubing has an 0.8 mm wall, and 6 mm OD tubing has a 1 mm wall. I believe from direct measurement that the wall on Aster 5 mm OD sight glass has a 1 mm wall. The Aster book talks about having a minimum 3 mm ID for the sight glass, and by inference a 1 mm wall. Commercial considerations being what they are, would the 0.8 mm wall of the 5 mm tubing be strong enough? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Aster Pressure relief valve
Jim, We need to find a way to get anglicized versions of the JIS specs that Aster used on some of it's parts. The Px o-rings show up in some lists of suppliers, but some of the other sizes do not necessarily fit ISO or DIN practices. Then again, I live in the USA metric desert, so finding anything metric of the right type is difficult at times. Mike - Original Message - From: "Alison and Jim Gregg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Aster Pressure relief valve > Hi Mike and AA members. > > In view of the "Two nations divided by a common language" thing, I assume > that the pressure relief valve of which you speak is the thing on the > boiler that some of us call the "Safety Valve", not the wierd (and > dangerous) thing some Aster gas tanks are supplied with. > > The basic answer to your question is no. > > A lot of Asters were supplied with safety valves threaded as 6mm x 0.75 > (not a standard thread either - M6 x 1 is standard metric). The M5 x 0.5 > is fairly recent - Pannier Tank and later, - but there are others too. My > BR 86 has some kind of 7 mm thread on its safeties. don't know what that > one is. The variation is a damn nuisance when you are making up adapters > for boiler testing as I have been doing recently - that's how I found that > the BR86 was an oddball. Normal readilly available M5 is M5 x 0.8, but > many of the threads Aster use are not common ISO metrics - neither fish, > fowl, nor fair red herring! > > Jim Gregg. > > The At 11:46 AM 11/7/03 -0600, you wrote: > >Has Aster always used a M5x0.5 thread on their PRV? > > > >Mike Eorgoff > >near Chicago > > > > >
Aster Pressure relief valve
Has Aster always used a M5x0.5 thread on their PRV? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
10BA grub screw
OK people, where can Jun get his 10BA grub screw, probably preferably in Japan? Mike Eorgoff >I am looking for 10BA grubscrew.Please let me know how to get it. > >Jun Kitsukawa > > mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > hp:http://homepage3.nifty.com/locomotive/
Re: address change
Are you actually on this address yet? It bounced a direct email. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Walt Swartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: address change > Note change: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] changing from .com to .net increased the speed > by quarillions of bps's! > Keep your steam up! > Walt & Mr. Lunkenheimer > > >
Re: Radiant Burner Design
In the last 24 hours, I have gone through Perfect gas law, Van der Waals modification, now looking at flame spread Mike
Radiant Burner Design
My noggin is working tonight. :-) Les told me that the reason that the radiant burner design by Kevin O'Connor and like I read, uses slots that increase in depth from the FAR end of the tube to the end near the jet. This is to even out the flame burning along the whole length of the burner. Why? I remember about the far end burns more than the near end if the slots are cut evenly. Is this an effect like that is used in steam injectors where the high velocity stream from the gas orifice is used to drag in and along another material? Do the initial slots allow air to be dragged in increasing the volume of material in the burner tube, which then piles up at the end? I know that there are air holes before the stream passes the back end and gets into the burner tube. But what is causing the flame to be greater at the end? Why does the gas/air mix get down to the end of the tube in greater quantity requiring the inverse slot depth? I can contemplate that the smaller end slots in effect re-meter the mix to be burnt, but why is there more mix at the end? The other thing is the screen mesh at the burner level, not the radiant mesh. I was looking up SS 60 Mesh cloth, and stumbled on the fact that Market Grade Cloth of Plain Weave has an open area of 30.25% and aperture size of 0.0075" sq. There was another type described as Bolting Grade Cloth of Plain Weave with an open area of 57.8% and aperture size of 0.0126 sq. H. Looks like we have another restriction in the flow path. It would seem that all those slots are being restricted to 30.25% of their cut opening size.Does this mean that we are putting 70% too much mix down the tube in the first place? Mike Eorgoff
Aster Climax Gas Tank Safety Popped
Saturday I was over at Les Knoll's track and left the engine sitting in the Sun. Bap hiss. Blew the little piece of "224 1 Silicon Packing" out of the tank over pressure safety valve. Anyone know the sizing and material of this orbited piece? Mike Eorgoff
IR thermometer range
Enco has a sale on IR thermometers. They have two max temps for sale, 600F & 1000F at increasing prices. Since 1000F is less than what is needed for heat treat monitoring and some brazing, would the 600F model be high enough to determine non-flame temperatures on our small models. Like how hot is the flue gas, how hot are the cylinders, how hot is the outside of the boiler. Basically, everything other than the flame temperature. Mike Eorgoff
Air Compressor
I need a small air compressor for painting and running engines on air. How many CFM at what PSI? Also any good brands in small ones? I would like this to be luggable so I can take it with me to shows. I don't need a 15 HP 90 gallon tank type of unit. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Aster Climax - How to light fire?
I think it will need a Backshop valve plus the radiant burner to come out right. The gas feed is beyond touchy. Mike Eorgoff
Re: Aster Climax - How to light fire?
Thanks. Took smokebox cover off. It lit a few times that way. Then the jet seemed to not be putting out it's raw gas roar, so I disassembled it and cleaned it. Will go back and try the stack lighting next time. Mike
Aster Climax - How to light fire?
How do you light the fire on a gas Aster Climax??? The front doesn't open, the burner doesn't pull out. There is a big hole in the side of the burner, but so far this doesn't seem to do it. Lighting there seems to pull the fire out of the butane lighter, but no reassuring pop in the burner. I can cook a hot dog on the flame at the top of the stack. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Aster paint
I need to strip some brush painting off the side of an Aster Climax. What type of paint would Aster have used in the 1982 time frame, and what was it's solvent. I want to try any other solvent first, but not that one, to try and get the brushed paint off. Mike Eorgoff
Re: G1MRA US members NL&J issue #189
That would work, please and thank you. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Mike Chaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: G1MRA US members NL&J issue #189 > Mike E. asked:- > > > The mother country is out of NL&J issue #189 for purchase. I would like to > > obtain a copy of the articles dealing with boiler design that appeared in > > that issue. The reprint of LvR's notes on 'A' 'B' and 'C' types, and Dick > > Moger's boiler bazaar. > > No problem - I have #189, a scanner and a broadband connection. 6 files at > about 750kB each in .jpg format. Any good? > > Mike C. in England > > >
G1MRA US members NL&J issue #189
To US G1MRA members: The mother country is out of NL&J issue #189 for purchase. I would like to obtain a copy of the articles dealing with boiler design that appeared in that issue. The reprint of LvR's notes on 'A' 'B' and 'C' types, and Dick Moger's boiler bazaar. Mike Eorgoff
Aster BR 96 kit instructions
Does anyone have a set of the Aster BR 96 kit build instructions that I could get a copy of? Mike Eorgoff
Re: copper tube
This is about the same as 45mm diameter (1.75 inches) with 1 mm wall. You may be able to source this locally. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:04 AM p> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:01:09 +0900 Received: from [61.21.163.78] (61-21-163-78.home.ne.jp [61.21.163.78]) by smtp101.mf.home.ne.jp (s13040500) with ESMTP id h54B191Z023242 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:01:09 +0900 (JST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: Bulk X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1.5 - Macintosh Listserver Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:09:17 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNUxAbj1jGyhK?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: copper tube I am looking for 7"length of 1-3/4" OD 20g drawn copper tube.Pleae let me know how to get it. Jun Kitsukawa mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hp:http://homepage3.nifty.com/locomotive/
Re: Roadshow
I have been renting a table at the monthly "Great Midwest Train Show" near Chicago since October. I have been roller running my engines, and clog the aisle when they are running. A lot of "I didn't know they could do that". "Kids" of all ages look at them wide eyed when they are running. As spring approaches, more people are getting interested in obtaining a unit. Finding some small scale live steamers existing in the populace. Had Les Knoll present on one Sunday with his scratchbuilt engines to show something other than factory built Accucraft and Roundhouse. (Not a dealer since I don't have "retail presence") Mike Eorgoff
Re: surveying owners
The Aster US import and retail hierarchy popped up on a few lists and asked people to send them emails of what they were interested in. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: surveying owners > In a message dated 3/16/2003 3:04:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster > > survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster > > has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same > > survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. > > It's interesting to hear that Aster knows who the "current owners" are. Neither Roundhouse nor Accucraft asked me to send in a 'product registration' card. > >Pete >
Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel
The sales manager was there on Saturday with one of the new stock cars, and a sheet asking about what to make next. He was at the tables in the walkway by the sign up desk. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Peter Foley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Surveys & Fuel > At 07:40 AM 16/03/03, Bruce Gathman wrote: > >Accucraft asked the market at the Diamondhead 2003 > >convention. > > Hmm..I was there, but don't recall this at all. If my faulty > memory has it correct, Accucraft wasn't even officially 'there' this > year. Are you sure you're not confusing this with another event, Bruce? > > regards, > > pf > >
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Where was this survey at? Who was surveyed? Where is it reported? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Jeff Runge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! > Have they determined fuel type yet? In a recent survey almost 80% of current > steamers prefer spirit fireing over gas. If they feel the need to offer gas > for the "newbees," maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal... > > Jeff in NC > >
Re: Back to O rings
This is a freebie from an o ring manufacturer and is their tech reference on design. http://www.parker.com/o-ring/Literature/00-5700.pdf Mike Eorgoff
Re: Richard Finlayson
Thanks. This version hasn't bounced yet. Mike - Original Message - From: "James Curry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Richard Finlayson > Mike: > > Drop the f, I used this 3 weeks ago. > > Jim > >
Richard Finlayson
Does anyone have an email address for him other than [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? That one is getting rejected, and docsteam seems to be out of the office. I need to ask him to put up a Blurb for the Midwest Small Scale Steamup, May 2 - 4 in St. Peters Missouri on the SITG site front page. Registration deadlines are March 15 for getting a shirt, and March 30 for getting steamup room rates. Mike Eorgoff
Wire Drawing?
Mike Chaney in "Max wheel RPM" said in part >designing in some form of wire drawing, either on the inlet or exhaust side. The current available online Google search for "wire drawing" with steam, brings back references referring to the destructive effect of steam with/without small beads of water or junk being drawn across the faces of control valves in contemporary steam plants and causing seat destruction and/or leakage. If I remember correctly, this is not what is meant in this context, but I can't remember what is really meant by the term "wire drawing" in relation to ssls valving. Mike Eorgoff
Re: Max wheel RPM
well, Harry's 336 RPM and Mike Chaney's MPH/in both work out for a Ruby. :-) Oh, yeah, 28 MPH if there was a prototype. The Ruby should do 1.38 real MPH at least if there is enough steam. Back to the steam calcs. Thanks guys. Mike Eorgoff
Max wheel RPM
Is there a maximum wheel rpm used to calculate small scale steam boiler capacity. I seem to remember something around 350 RPM for prototypes.
Where to use copper or fiber washer?
Where is it best to use a copper washer, and where is it best to use a fiber washer? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Track structure
Or was it this one. http://www.btcomm.com/trains/febmag/index.htm -Excerpt from Introduction--- This month's issue is an article short, because one of the articles is very long. It is probably the most important article we've published to date. Thanks to a Columbus architect who "re-thought" the problem of raised roadbed, all of us folks who have admired complex layouts with sweeping, elevated curves, and who have no carpentry skills whatsoever, now have an way to build railroads that are limited only by our imagination and available space. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
UP Challanger Blueprints
Does anyone know of source(s) for the ALCO blueprints of the UP Challenger? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Coal Size
Thanks for the info. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Coal Size
What is the size range of coal pieces for good performance in Ga. 1 locomotives? The answer should be somewhere between dust and the size of the firehole opening. :-) Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Copper Tubing source 1.75 and/or 2.36 inch
I'm thinking about reboilering my Accucraft Shay for coal. Where can I get 45mm OD(1.75") (for the horizontal) and 60mm OD (2.36") (for the vertical of the T) copper tubing for boilers. Obviously not US standard sizes. I see that the G1MRA DEE uses 1.75 for it's boiler. So maybe there is an England source for this size. :-) I spent part of the weekend on Google looking but without success. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Midwest Steamup May 4 - 6
It really is May 2 - 4. Been fighting with systems all day. Mike - Original Message - From: "Mike Eorgoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Midwest Steamup May 4 - 6 > The time for the Midwest Small Scale Steamup is once again approaching. The > third annual event will occur Friday May 2 through Sunday May 4, 2003 at the > Holiday Inn Select in St. Peters, Missouri. St. Peters is a western suburb > of St. Louis, and provides a very nice location in an area that has many > other things to do and see. > > Check the following web site for more information and registration form. > http://www.geocities.com/teaton63376/ > > > Mike Eorgoff > near Chicago > > >
Midwest Steamup May 4 - 6
The time for the Midwest Small Scale Steamup is once again approaching. The third annual event will occur Friday May 2 through Sunday May 4, 2003 at the Holiday Inn Select in St. Peters, Missouri. St. Peters is a western suburb of St. Louis, and provides a very nice location in an area that has many other things to do and see. Check the following web site for more information and registration form. http://www.geocities.com/teaton63376/ Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Midwest Steamup May 2 - 4
The time for the Midwest Small Scale Steamup is once again approaching. The third annual event will occur Friday May 2 through Sunday May 4, 2003 at the Holiday Inn Select in St. Peters, Missouri. St. Peters is a western suburb of St. Louis, and provides a very nice location in an area that has many other things to do and see. Check the following web site for more information and registration form. http://www.geocities.com/teaton63376/ Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Diamondhead wrapup in PC format?
I would like to get the Addendum. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Diamondhead wrapup in PC format? > Go to the bottom of Jim Pitts' page -- where DH photos are located -- at the > end of photos is the complete wrap-up summary from Jerry. > <<http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/index.htm>> > > Jim Crabb > Seabrook >
Diamondhead wrapup in PC format?
Has anyone translated the Diamondhead wrap-up and addendum from Jerry Reshew into PC compatible format? Could I get a copy please. Mike Eorgoff
Re: South African 3'6" on 45mm
Does anyone do 1:32-33 on 32mm for this? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Alison & Jim Gregg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: Re: South African 3'6" on 45mm > Hi All. > > We use 1:24 for Australian 3 foot 6 inch gauge means there are lots of > sceni details available - plastic kit vehicles etc, and it is also one of > the less common but available dolls house scales. > > Jim Gregg.
Re: South African 3'6" on 45mm
I think it is worth the money. Especially if you are interested in a vest pocket Garratt. It's a 4-8-2+2-8-4 on 42" gauge. I was wondering about the scaling of 1:23.7 instead of 1:24 to 45mm track. Like the English doing 1:30 vs. 1:32, and the US doing 1:20.3 for 3', and 13.7 for 2'. Mike Eorgoff > Mike, I saw John's note on MyLargeScale.com about the CD. Would > you say it's worth the investment? It sure looks cool! > > I don't know of any South African large-scale modelers, but it would > certainly make sense, given that the track works out to 1:24 for them. > That sure makes things easy! > > regards, > -vance-
South African 3'6" on 45mm
I am wondering if South African modelers use a scale ratio of 1:23.7 for representing 3'6" (42") gauge on 45mm track? Just received a CD from John Young of SA of the SAR GMAM Garratt, and the engine and his CD are both awesome. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Jun Kitsukawa
Is anyone answering this person? To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: DEE Locomotive I am making axle pump now. Please let me know how to join the tailrod and ramrod with the follower. Jun Kitsukawa mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hp:http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/4057203101/
Re: 360 Servo conversion [was: R/C question]
What type of sensor? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Harley Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: RE: 360 Servo conversion [was: R/C question] > This gentleman has a very neat electronic sensor and will send you a > schematic and parts drawing. Has up to 4 mark points. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Harley Kelsey >
Re: FAQ site updates
see www.diamondhead.org Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: FAQ site updates > > When and where is Diamondhead???// > Thanks, > bill > CCED >
Re: Display guard
Thanks Tom. It really doesn't have to be bulletproof. The main purpose is to keep hands off the hot engine from the public side. Main problem will be steam and heat venting to prevent condensation on the viewing surfaces. How do I keep the condensation from blocking the view? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "tom leaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Display guard > > RE Display Guard query-- > > I seem to recall reading that certain thicknesses of GE Lexan were suitable > for bulletproof glass applications. I assume it would be train proof. > > Google searching gave me these sites: > http://www.modernplastics.com/ > > http://www.ready-access.com/pdf/swgs.pdf > > > -Tom Leaton > (also in nice cool Northern Illinois) > > > _ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >
Re: DEE Wheels
Take a look at the messages at http://www.gaugeone.org/ There are usually some messages there regarding obtaining parts. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:46 AM > > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 > 00:44:02 +0900 > Received: from [61.21.163.78] (61-21-163-78.home.ne.jp > [61.21.163.78]) > by smtp202.mf.home.ne.jp (s22082600) with ESMTP id gBFFi2Re002709 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:44:02 +0900 (JST) > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mime-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Precedence: Bulk > X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1.5 - Macintosh Listserver > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:48:12 +0900 > From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNUxAbj1jGyhK?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: DEE Locomotive > > I am looking for wheels which are suitable for DEE Locomotive.Please let me > know how to get them. > > > Jun Kitsukawa > > mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > hp:http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/4057203101/ > > > >
Re: PRELIM: IE&W RY Steamups 2003
What are your actual loading gauge clearances? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: PRELIM: IE&W RY Steamups 2003 > > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:30:16 -0500 steve boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > You wrote: > > > > > There are no reasonable clearance > > restrictions, so anything that fits on > > > 45mm track is ok regardless of scale. The > > track is a combination of Llagas > > > Creek code 215 and Sunset Valley code 250. > > > > You realize, of course, that a paragraph like > > that would be taken as a > > challenge to SOME on this list to come up with > > something really outrageous > > that still runs on 45mm track. > > > > Let's see ... can I rig bogies under my van ... > > ? > > > > - - Steve > > > > > Steve > > You are correct... I should have said my outside clearance on my bridge is > based on estimates Marc Horowitz once gave me for his 1.5"/foot scale, 15" ga > Heywood stock. Steve King brought his 7/8n2 equipment one year and I ended up > sawing my beautiful 5 foot "Bridges by Bill" redwood arch bridge in half > lengthwise so I could make it about 4 inches wider. The vertical clearance > under my walkover is only about 30 inches. > > > On another note.. Tom Bowlder noted to me that I improperly attributed the > NMRA A(1:29) to Accucraft. Of course, it is ARISTOcraft. Must have had K-27 > on the brain. > > Jim > >
Re: Accucraft K-27
How long is it? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Dave Hottmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft K-27 > > Ran mine at Clark Lord's Saturday. Pictures on SitG Message Board. > > Dave Hottmann > Washington,Ut > - Original Message - > From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:07 PM > Subject: Accucraft K-27 > > > > Word has it that the Accucraft K-27s are starting to be delivered. Can I > get a > > witness? > > > > -vance- > > > > Is it too much to demand? I want a full house and a rock-and-roll band, > > Pens that won't run out of ink, and cool quiet and time to think. > > Shouldn't I have all of this, and passionate kisses? - Lucinda Williams > > > > > > > >
Display guard
I am wondering if the group has any ideas about constructing a safety shield for running a live steam engine on rollers during a train show. Materials? Design? There will be an appreciable amount of steam compared to a culinary sneeze shield that needs to be dissipated in order to prevent condensation blocking views. Only the back is expected to be open for the operator. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Measuring Gas Jets
How do you measure gas burner jet size? Optical or sized probes? Mike Eorgoff
Re: boiler insulation
What type of equipment and setup did you use to measure the temperatures?? Mike Eorgoff
Diamondhead Hurricane???
How much threat is there to Diamondhead, Mississippi from a hurricane like the one coming. Would there be a major bummer to the steamup? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Sammy exhaust tubes
Finally decided to check out the front end of my Sammy and removed the smokebox assembly. Wondering if the exhaust tubes are supposed to be very lose flopping fore and aft. They also seem to have wiggle around the mounting point coming out of the cylinders. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: JVR "C" type?
I would assume that these are alcohol/coal fired designs based upon the proclivity of the people on the island west of France. :-) Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "James Curry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Re: JVR "C" type? > > Last Autumn a/o Winter issues of the G1MRA Newsletter had great articles > about various iterations of G1 boilers over the years including gas and > ceramic fired boilers. Showed schematics of at least a dozen boilers with > an accompanying chart of sizes, heating surfaces, firing characteristics and > misc. comments. A excellent source of info in addition to the Aster > catalogue. > > Jim >
JVR "C" type?
Where does the term come from? Are there other defined configurations similar to this using only a letter code instead of a description? Mike Eorgoff > - Original Message - > From: "Gordon Watson." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:51 AM > Subject: flying Scotsman, > > > > Art, > > Yes its a JVR type C 2 off 1/2 inch tubes..I think it might be the > > fairly large smokebox volume and the choke of the petticoat looks larger > > than some other Asters Ive run. whatever it works! > > Gordon. > Thanks, Gordon. > I have the boiler tube & end-plates cut for a 'C' type for a US 4-6-0, so my > question was not academic.Nice to follow a recipe that works. > > Art >
Re: G1MRA Project Loco
He's not huting my OE. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "John Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Re: G1MRA Project Loco > > I keep getting mail from an unreadable address that keeps crashing the Outlook > Express programme. I think it is from the gentleman from Japan, are any > others having this problem? >
Re: pinch rolls
So who or what is George Thomas, and how do I get plans or a kit? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Royce Woodbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: pinch rolls > > And now everyone knows. Think of all the friends you're > gonna have. : ) > > royce > > Harry Wade wrote: > > > At 07:11 AM 5/25/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >You building a George Thomas set ? > > >royce > > > > Yes, with slightly larger and longer main rolls. > > > > Regards, > > Harry > > >
Re: Butane valve leak
Gunk as in crud, dirt, slime. Leftovers in the tubing from the construction process. Also possible deterioration of any sealing mechanisms. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Butane valve leak > > Hi Jim, > Not sure I understood your note. > Are you recommending using Gunk to clean the fuel tank and fuel line? > Why would a Steamlines Shay butane valve be more prone to fouling than other > valves? (He asks knowing just how many problems had to be overcome to get > this loco to run as well as it does now.)
Re: Regner steam engine
Just curious Mike - Original Message - From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Regner steam engine > > I am currently selling some LGB items to gain the money to buy the loco. > Are you a seller? Or like me curious? > ~Gary Lane > born at Cook County Hospital but now enjoying lower population density in > Oregon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Eorgoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: Regner steam engine > > > > Gary, > > Did you ever reach a decision on getting this Loco? > > > > Mike Eorgoff > > near Chicago > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:36 PM > > Subject: Regner steam engine > > > > > > > > > > I have discovered a small mallet to be made by Regner. Total price is > > > $2010.43 as near as I can figure converting Euro dollars to US dollars. > > > Regner 20850Kit 99633 Württembergische Tssd, USD $1765.65 > > SNIP > > > > >
Re: Regner steam engine
Gary, Did you ever reach a decision on getting this Loco? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Regner steam engine > > I have discovered a small mallet to be made by Regner. Total price is > $2010.43 as near as I can figure converting Euro dollars to US dollars. > Regner 20850Kit 99633 Württembergische Tssd, USD $1765.65 SNIP
Re: of boilers and things
It's so that the fittings will fit any thickness. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Royce Woodbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: of boilers and things > > So Harry, I can understand why a so-called 1 1/2" tubing would be 1 5/8" OD if > the tubing has a wall thickness of .0625. But are the other wall thicknesses > still 1 5/8" OD, letting the ID vary ? Seems an odd way of doing it. It would > seem that the ID is the most important "characteristic" of tubing as all the > action takes place inside the tube. 1 1/2" tubing should have an ID of 1 1/2", > regardless of wall thickness. It is the outside that should vary. What have I > missed here ? > > royce in SB > > PS, my tubing holding brackets are coming along nicely. > > Harry Wade wrote: > > > At 07:12 AM 4/15/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So here's a question to "pick things up a little". > > >I have a piece of boiler tubing from a kit 1 1/2" in outside diameter with a > > >wall thickness of about .035". > > > > Royce, > > Even if you did go to a thinner wall thickness (which would be > > difficult because what you have is below Type DVW at .042") if you plugged > > the parameters into the standard formula for bursting strength of a tube > > you would find that it's still well in excess of your intended maximum > > operating temperature. So it wouldn't be a No-No from purely a pressure > > standpoint necessarily. What would be the first and primary problem with > > thin tube would be it's ability to be machined or worked without deforming > > (such as while drilling bushing holes) and then after it was annealed > > during silver soldering, it's ability to retain its shape, especially > > around bushings, when being installed. > > > > >>If one were to go thicker, the heat transfer properties of the boiler > > would >>change. > > > > Yes, and for the better. Thicker material will absorb and distribute > > the heat more evenly. Thin material will tend to spot heat. > > > > >And the same for the flue tubes. My question is, is it a bad idea to > > increase wall thickness for whatever reason ? > > > > IMHO, no. If a flue fails the boiler is usually toast, or at least > > toast without a very tedious repair job, so for flues I use the thickest > > walled tubes (Type K) because I want them to be as resistant to damage from > > the various forces acting upon them as reasonably possible. This would be > > especially true of coal fired boilers where the flues would be subject to > > abrasion from brushing. The only drawback to this is that Type K and L > > tube aren't usually available at local D.I.Y. stores so unless you have a > > shop which will cut tube to length must mail ordered, or be bought in 20 ft > > lengths. > > To give our friends on the list who buy tube by "gauge" an idea of what > > tube "types" refer to, in the U.S. a 1-1/2" (nominal) copper tube will > > actually be 1.625" O.D. and will be made in four common wall thicknesses > > (types): Type K = .072"; Type L = .060"; Type M = .049"; Type DWV = .042". > > > > Regards, > > Harry > > >
Re: Old guy with a question
So what scale is 2-1/2" gauge this week? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: Old guy with a question > > At 10:06 PM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote: > >> 2. Is anyone seriously building F-scale (1:20.3) standard guage equipment? > > Is the orgin of 1:20.32/.590" scale and 70.64mm ga (2.781") to build > to 15mm scale? I find it curious that someone would choose this scale to > create a line of products (for sale I assume) so close to 2-1/2" ga where > there would be more market. > > Regards, > Harry >
Re: McMaster-Carr online pricing
I was seeing different prices on two different parts of the online; the catalog display, and the product search display which was cheaper. Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: "Sam Dimaggio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: McMaster-Carr online pricing > > Mike, > > I'm sure the online pricing is correct. If anyone > wants some of my "stash", please let me know. I have > way more of this stuff than I need...I can send you > both the stainless (inner tube stuff) and the chromium > mesh (outside the burner tube). Send me your address > and $5 (USA only please) and I'll send you enough to > do a single burner (assuming Aster). > > My address is: > 5870 Tree Line Dr. > Madison, WI 53711. > > Regards, > > Sam > --- Mike Eorgoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone know which price holds when there is a > > different price between > > the catalog page and the online lookup? the online > > lookup was much cheaper. > > > > Mike Eorgoff > > near Chicago > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/
Aster test track
Looking at the Aster Japan web pages, where they show the Allaghney being tested, is what I suppose must be thier test track. I noticed that it appears that the layer directly under the track is crosswise lumber. Has anyone seen this firsthand (ground truth) and might have more details on the construction used? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
McMaster-Carr online pricing
Does anyone know which price holds when there is a different price between the catalog page and the online lookup? the online lookup was much cheaper. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Sam's improved Radiant burner material
click on the mesh size of 20x20. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Sam's improved Radiant burner material > > Sam, > I looked up the McMaster Carr web site http://www.mcmaster.com/ and went to > the page on "Wire Cloth" (Listed Under Pumping, Vibrating, Filtering) then > scrolled down to Nickel Chromium mesh. Now I am stuck. I found the wire size > of .020 but am not sure about screen size that you found useful for radiant > cloth. > Thanks for the site by the way! Nice to know about longer lasting material! > > ~Gary - Eugene, Oregon > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sam Dimaggio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Radiant burner material > > > > I have a couple of Kevin's original burners..and have > > since made a few of my own for myself and others. I > > highly recommend getting the 20 mesh chromium mesh > > (obtained from McMaster Carr) for the outside or > > radiant piece. It's pricey stuff but the original > > stainless that Kevin used on my Hudson didn't hold up > > long (Kevin, of course, replaced those with said > > material)...Thanks to whomever on this list clued me > > into an Ebay auction for the stainless mesh I now use > > for the inner tube piece. I have a lifetime supply! > > > > Sam > > --- Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 10:17 AM 3/6/02 -0600, you wrote: > > > >is there a way to tell stainless from regular > > > steel? > > > > > > A magnet. Most (but not all) stainless steels are > > > non-magnetic, or > > > barely magnetic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >
re-request Portable Steamup Tracks
Machine crash. Lost info from when I asked about building portable tracks. Someone mentioned that they had found a new aluminum laminate material to try as the top surface. I would like to contact him. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: New Bio
What is NBIC? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "NJMT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: New Bio > > David, > Not a simple answer, in part because of the new boiler laws. Specifically > Appendix C of the NBIC which covers hobby and antique boilers such as ours > at NJMT. It is a good law, one I am truly in favor of, and that NJMT is
Locomotive Cyclopedia
I have a 7th edition 1925 version. I am interested in acquiring a later edition. How much later does it change from primarily a steam book to a diesel book? Would I be ok with an early '40s version, or should I back up into the '30s. These aren't cheap, so I can't afford a sampling of many of these. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Pattern Repository
How is the Pattern Repository doing? Is there anything in it yet? Mike Eorgoff
Porter blueprints available?
I know about google, but the question couldn't be answered there in 10 pages of return. So is there a magic repository of Porter blueprints like there is for other builders? Or will I have to find one reasonably close to me and mount a measuring expedition? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Are UNM threads useful to use?
Are Unified Minature screw threads of any goodness on SSLS models? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Copper tube boiler pressure design limit
Harry, Thank you for your extended friendly comments. I mainly wanted to get the documentation URL's out in the open so that other curious people would have an idea of where to look. I felt that we needed a reference to a current "officially" traceable standards body for some of the design parameters that have been passed along from the venerable printed hobby sources (Harris and Evans). Most "official standards" are heavily padded due to process variances in the creation and fabrication. They must also deal with lowest common denominator installations under less than laboratoy or nice shop conditions. The copper.org standards deal with a create and forget environment, not a highly interested continual inspection environment. Example: Potable water and heating systems vs. model railroaders.:-) And realisticly, most of us don't have the resources to derive a cutting edge standard to push the limits up. Now if the military or NASA ever wanted an ultra light high performance SSLS machine.. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Copper tube boiler pressure design limit > In other words, they admit their findings bear no resemblance to > reality because the results and recommendations are doctored for safety. > So IMHO the table information is at best mis-information and even then > falls short of the safety factor the live steam world has established for > ourselves. A dose of either "Model Boilers and Boilermaking" by KN Harris > or "Model Locomotive Boilers" by Martin Evans is recommended for insomnia > brought on by excessive boiler anxiety. > > > Regards, > Harry Wade > Nashville, Tn >
Copper tube boiler pressure design limit
I know this keeps comming up :-) but... After perusing the techincal areas of www.copper.org tonight, I have come to the conclusion that due to the necessity of brazing (aka silver soldering per copper.org) the maximum operational working pressure limit of our SSLS copper boilers should be around 120 lbs for saturated steam per http://piping.copper.org/mechanic/techref/app/cth/tables/cth_table6.htm and http://piping.copper.org/mechanic/techref/app/cth/cth_3design_burst.htm even though the basic pipe burst strength is much greater. This limit is due to the limitations on joint pressure as experienced in attaching the boiler ends expressed in table 6. Therefore our normal 30 - 60 pound working pressures would seem to be in very good excess safety wise. If someone can point out similar expert sources in conflict with this information, please put it in your reply. Anecdotal ruminations don't count. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Mainland Europe Manuf of SSLS
This being an English language oriented list, most of the time only mention of English speaking countries SSLS (Small Scale Live Steam) manufacturers is made. I know of Aster in Japan, but I am wondering about mainland Europe's commercial manufacturing. Any WWW leads even if I have to use Google translation to understand them? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Driving to D'head?
It's about a long quarter mile. Just the other side of the bridge over the interstate. Since you'll be bringing back provisions :-), you might want to grab a ride. If you walk at night, take a flashlight, as there is no street lighting and you need to announce yourself to the traffic. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Richard Finlayson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: Driving to D'head? > > Ahh. The solution presents itself. Thanks. > > Uhh. Never having ventured to the other side of the highway... are we > talking a walk or a drive? > > Thanks, > > -Richard > > > >Why don't you go to the ACE hardware on the other side of the highway? > > > >Mike Eorgoff > >near Chicago > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Richard Finlayson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:32 PM > >Subject: Driving to D'head? > > > > > >> > >> Are you driving to D'head and arriving before Thursday afternoon? > >> Could you do me a favor? I need a bag of BBQ charcoal briquets > >> (standard variety, no quick lighting, or wood mix required) and a > >> pint, quart, or gallon of kerosene (whatever is convenient). If it's > >> not too inconvenient... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -Richard > >> -- > >> == > >> Richard Finlayson > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > == > Richard Finlayson > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Driving to D'head?
Why don't you go to the ACE hardware on the other side of the highway? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Richard Finlayson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Driving to D'head? > > Are you driving to D'head and arriving before Thursday afternoon? > Could you do me a favor? I need a bag of BBQ charcoal briquets > (standard variety, no quick lighting, or wood mix required) and a > pint, quart, or gallon of kerosene (whatever is convenient). If it's > not too inconvenient... > > Thanks, > > -Richard > -- > == > Richard Finlayson > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lowest PRACTICAL outdoor operating temperature?
I would like to know what you all think or believe is the lowest PRACTICAL outdoor temperature that you would run steamers at. I'm thinking in terms of not freezing your fingers off, or running for warming up yourself, and partaking in the normal operational style. I know that someone will say that they got it all running indoors and then took it out and ran, but that is like the guys in the polar bear club jumping into the icy lake. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Merry Christmas!
Whew! Mine exists! Mike Eorgoff near Chicago Since last year was your first year and you THINK you made reservations for this year you haven't learned how things work in MIssiSSIPPi. First off the hotel usually changes management annually. This usually results in non-transfer of prior commitments. Sometimes the nation chain - whoever it is this year doesn't know about the reservations. Somehow things work differently in Mississippi. To further validate my point can you explain why after nine years the hotel didn't give Jerry the same weekend it has traditionally been?
Re: Firebrick cutting tool
Watch out for the silica dust. Wear a dust mask. The shop foreman at Cass commented that they got rid of the abestos danger, and substitued silicosis for it with the lagging mud they now use on the boliers. Mike Eorgoff Glen Ellyn, IL > Right. Alumina (40%±), silica (45%±), and calcium (15%±), or >Anorthite (Ca0; Al²O³, 2SiO²)
Alucobond
Walt, This stuff sounds interesting. What core are you thinking of using? Do the edges need to be sealed? What range is the cost per sheet (4x8 i presume). Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Which fastener series for new design?
If a new engine was being designed, what series of fasteners would have the greatest acceptance? Don't really like using the English types, BA etc, and the American types seem to be less than unified and available, so am thinking about using metric types. Hope this has as many replies as asking about what fuel to use. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago
Re: Accucraft C-16 excessive steam oil usage
Could someone in the know inform the Diamondhead Chief Enforcer about this so we don't spend the weekend wondering where the traction went. Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: "Clark Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Accucraft C-16 excessive steam oil usage > > Howdy all. A short background. Here at the house we have now had three > different Accucraft C-16's operated. The first was from Seattle during > my annual steamup. Much to my and the owners surprise and > consternation, the engine was leaking steam oil out the piston rod > packing glan so bad that in one lap the steam oil tank was emptied and > the contents wound up on railhead of my outside track loop. The car > wheels then spread the oil out evenly. It was so bad that any engine > that ran the rest of the weekend slipped it's drivers with ease. > > Well time and weather cleaned the track and all was well. Enter the > second and third C-16's purchased by local Las Vegas Live Steamers. > Both of those engines had their first run on my track. Again oil was > coming out in gross quantities. On these engines the excess oil was > winding up in the smoke box, draining out the hole in the bottom, > dripping on the pilot truck pivot arm, working it's way back to the > pivot pin, traveling across the front brake stiffening rod and onto the > brake shoes and then directly onto the rail head. > > If you wanted to make an oil to track delivery system this was the very > best. In one lap around the track you could coat the entire track with > an even film of steam oil. If we are having this problem here with 3 > different C16's I'm sure that there are many more out there doing the > very same thing. > > Lou Banning, owner of the #2 C-16 to run here, and I have been studying > on this problem and yesterday we found a partial fix. Lou removed the > stretcher rod that goes between the front brake shoes leaving the brake > hanger just dangling. We then ran the engine for 1 and 1/2 hours (3 > different runs) on the Las Vegas Garden Railway Society's modular > railroad Christmas time setup in the Sprint Telephone Co. main office > lobby. All the oil was now being deposited in the center line of the > track instead on the rail. > > We were very pleased with this development as both steam and electric > trains are run on the modules. We didn't have to clean 200 feet of > track after every run now. > > The bad news is the engine is still using excessive steam oil. My guess > is that the pickup tube in the running board oil tank reservoir is > placed too low in the tank which allows straight steam oil to be > discharged into the dead leg connecting line until the oil level is even > with the outlet tube. At this time it begins to regulate normally. I > suspect that when the regulation point is reached, most of the oil has > already been discharged into the connecting line, gone through the > cylinders, collected on the inside of the smoke box and drained out and > onto the track via the route described above. > > So remove the stretcher rod between the front brake shoes and the rail > oiling problem will go away. If you want the brake shoes to show, just > put a nut on the back and attach the shoe to the hanger without the rod. > > Now to figure out what to do about the excessive oil usage. > > Also be warned that any C-16 that intends to run on my track will have > to have the stretcher rod removed before running here. A clean track is > a happy track. > > Best Wishes for the Holidays Ya'll > > Clark
