RE: Accucraft K-27
Jeff, Already read the review. Great job! Very accurate analysis. I have seen 463 and 464 many times, just none of the others and no 453 anywhere! Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeffrey Williams Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Accucraft K-27 Chuck, I have a green #461. It will be featured in a review in the soon-to-be-delivered Steam in the Garden. You can see photos of it by Mike Martin at: http://www.panyo.com/dan2/ My K-27 is on photos # 1, 7, 10, 12, 13 In addition, I will send you photos by off-line email I am very pleased with this loco - looks great and runs great. Not a loco for a beginner, though - a few teething problems at first but eventually can be wrung out. Needs a lot of clearance to the scenery, though! Jeff Williams == Chuck Walters wrote: Does anyone have pictures of the K-27 in the 453 or the 461 in green paint schemes posted someplace? I would love to take a look at each before I order. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Accucraft K-27
Does anyone have pictures of the K-27 in the 453 or the 461 in green paint schemes posted someplace? I would love to take a look at each before I order. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Re: Accucraft K-27
Chuck, I have a green #461. It will be featured in a review in the soon-to-be-delivered Steam in the Garden. You can see photos of it by Mike Martin at: http://www.panyo.com/dan2/ My K-27 is on photos # 1, 7, 10, 12, 13 In addition, I will send you photos by off-line email I am very pleased with this loco - looks great and runs great. Not a loco for a beginner, though - a few teething problems at first but eventually can be wrung out. Needs a lot of clearance to the scenery, though! Jeff Williams == Chuck Walters wrote: Does anyone have pictures of the K-27 in the 453 or the 461 in green paint schemes posted someplace? I would love to take a look at each before I order. Chuck Walters Twin Lakes Railway http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
I have enjoyed the banter on the size of the K-27. I thought (maybe, maybe not) you might enjoy a similar problem the museum I am part of has with a full size 3' gauge outside frame 2-8-0 (1912 Baldwin, 70 tons) which ran at the Quincy and Torch Lake RR up in Michigan as #6. You may see it designated as a K-25. We generally run a 47 ton 2-6-2 and an assortment of diesels ranging up to 55 tons. Carry about 50,000 people per year. Anyway, when we need to move the Quincy engine, which is not yet restored, it is a major project. The cab just squeezes through our car barn and requires a track bar to pry the cab over an inch or so to clear the door, the counter weights hit the ballast in several areas of our yard trackage, and our boarding platform must be moved to clear the cylinders in the station area. I have heard stories that this engine would derail itself in snow and ice conditions when the counter balances come down, hit the ice, and lift itself up off the rails. The same problems seem to exist in the 12 :1' world as it does in the smaller scales. BTW, restoration of this engine should begin this year in an effort to return it to operation. We are currently completing a full rebuild on a 1912 Porter mogul. The web site is being updated, but if interested its at www.njmt.org. We should have an area devoted to the many NJMT locomotives soon. If anyone wants a tour, let me know. J.R. - Original Message - From: Anthony Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Size of Accucraft K-27? Hi Dave, While Jeff was running his K27 on his small radius test track at home last week, we noticed that the center mounted coupling was actually positioned over the outside rail while running the curve. Making the effective width of the engine an additional 1 wider on the curves. So although 5.75 wide in static mode, it becomes 6.75 wide when running the outside curves. I suggest the cab, particularly the outside roof line, steps out even further, but we did not check that. Jeff also had to move some of Dan Lieberwitz' model village real estate while running last Saturday. No matter the track size, someone always shows up with a larger engine!. As you are finding out already. Regards, Tony D. At 08:55 AM 2/18/03 -0800, Dave Cole wrote: jeff: when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ... \dmc At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Mine (#461) is 5.75 wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the pilot beam. The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under 6. The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875. It's possible that other road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the other road numbers. Accucraft claims 30 minimum radius. I've run mine on 48 radius and it works fine. The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers. The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the distance between loco and tender on tight radii. See http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm for their web page on the K-27 live steam. It's not linked to any of their other pages === Daniel R. Fuller wrote: I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a clearance problem. I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27. I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge. Real railroads had to limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same. I think that the C-16 will be ok. What is the size of the loading gauge for the K-27? Just overall height above the rails and the total width is all I need. What is the minimum radius for the K-27? Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
Hi Dave, While Jeff was running his K27 on his small radius test track at home last week, we noticed that the center mounted coupling was actually positioned over the outside rail while running the curve. Making the effective width of the engine an additional 1 wider on the curves. So although 5.75 wide in static mode, it becomes 6.75 wide when running the outside curves. I suggest the cab, particularly the outside roof line, steps out even further, but we did not check that. Jeff also had to move some of Dan Lieberwitz' model village real estate while running last Saturday. No matter the track size, someone always shows up with a larger engine!. As you are finding out already. Regards, Tony D. At 08:55 AM 2/18/03 -0800, Dave Cole wrote: jeff: when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ... \dmc At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Mine (#461) is 5.75 wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the pilot beam. The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under 6. The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875. It's possible that other road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the other road numbers. Accucraft claims 30 minimum radius. I've run mine on 48 radius and it works fine. The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers. The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the distance between loco and tender on tight radii. See http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm for their web page on the K-27 live steam. It's not linked to any of their other pages === Daniel R. Fuller wrote: I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a clearance problem. I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27. I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge. Real railroads had to limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same. I think that the C-16 will be ok. What is the size of the loading gauge for the K-27? Just overall height above the rails and the total width is all I need. What is the minimum radius for the K-27? Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
jeff: when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ... \dmc At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Mine (#461) is 5.75 wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the pilot beam. The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under 6. The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875. It's possible that other road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the other road numbers. Accucraft claims 30 minimum radius. I've run mine on 48 radius and it works fine. The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers. The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the distance between loco and tender on tight radii. See http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm for their web page on the K-27 live steam. It's not linked to any of their other pages === Daniel R. Fuller wrote: I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a clearance problem. I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27. I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge. Real railroads had to limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same. I think that the C-16 will be ok. What is the size of the loading gauge for the K-27? Just overall height above the rails and the total width is all I need. What is the minimum radius for the K-27? Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
OK, What am I missing? I look on Accucraft's website and do not find a K-27 live steamer. Where are people buying these? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ...
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
Gary, I don't have a clue why Accucraft is still not advertising the K-27. There is a web page on the K-27 live steam located at; http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm It is interesting there is still no link to this page on their site. Perhaps they are trying reverse logic thinking more mistery will increase demand. You can order direct or through a limited number of dealers for the same price of $3,995.00 Accucraft is not allowing dealers to discount. Great engine but it is big. Regards Tom Burns Sugar Land, TX RGS in Live Steam
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
Isn't that now illegal? I thought they had to advertise it as Fair Traded Keep your steam up! Walt
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
I am impressed! This K-27 has operating pressures of 50-60 psi AND has Pittman gearhead motor powers the eight drivers through the steel bevel gears enclosed in a metal gear box. Amazing no? Perhaps they have not yet linked this page because it has errors? Gary - Ted and I steamed his 7/8' Saddle Tank 0-6-0 RoundHouse Porter and my Aster Alisan shay for 3.5 hours this afternoon. Very nice way to spend an afternoon running over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor Gary, I don't have a clue why Accucraft is still not advertising the K-27. There is a web page on the K-27 live steam located at; http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm It is interesting there is still no link to this page on their site. Perhaps they are trying reverse logic thinking more mistery will increase demand. You can order direct or through a limited number of dealers for the same price of $3,995.00 Accucraft is not allowing dealers to discount. Great engine but it is big. Regards Tom Burns Sugar Land, TX RGS in Live Steam
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
Ah, dual power systems. It's not unlike the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight hybrid vehicles... :-) Mike
Size of Accucraft K-27?
I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a clearance problem. I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27. I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge. Real railroads had to limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same. I think that the C-16 will be ok. What is the size of the loading gauge for the K-27? Just overall height above the rails and the total width is all I need. What is the minimum radius for the K-27? Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas
Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?
Mine (#461) is 5.75 wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the pilot beam. The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under 6. The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875. It's possible that other road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the other road numbers. Accucraft claims 30 minimum radius. I've run mine on 48 radius and it works fine. The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers. The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the distance between loco and tender on tight radii. See http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm for their web page on the K-27 live steam. It's not linked to any of their other pages === Daniel R. Fuller wrote: I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a clearance problem. I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27. I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge. Real railroads had to limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same. I think that the C-16 will be ok. What is the size of the loading gauge for the K-27? Just overall height above the rails and the total width is all I need. What is the minimum radius for the K-27? Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas
Re: Accucraft K-27
How long is it? Mike Eorgoff near Chicago - Original Message - From: Dave Hottmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft K-27 Ran mine at Clark Lord's Saturday. Pictures on SitG Message Board. Dave Hottmann Washington,Ut - Original Message - From: Vance Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Accucraft K-27 Word has it that the Accucraft K-27s are starting to be delivered. Can I get a witness? -vance- Is it too much to demand? I want a full house and a rock-and-roll band, Pens that won't run out of ink, and cool quiet and time to think. Shouldn't I have all of this, and passionate kisses? - Lucinda Williams
Re: Accucraft K-27
At 10:07 PM -0700 12/9/02, Vance Bass wrote: Word has it that the Accucraft K-27s are starting to be delivered. Can I get a witness? to confirm that there isn't just one out there, a k-27 ran on my layout on saturday morning. pictures will be posted when i get the chance. how long is it? it's a big sonofabitch. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Accucraft K-27
I have seen the K-27, it is gorgeous. Thanks for the pictures. What sort of track? I notice this is a drier climate than wet Eugene, Oregon. Having just remove leaves from gutters for the fifth time this fall/winter. Track needs clearing of leaves everytime I run this time of year. Gary - chilling in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Phil Paskos To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft K-27 Looks good Clark; Thanks for sharing the pictures which also look good. Phil Check out these Vance. Dave Hottmann was running his Saturday on my layout. That's 22 cars behind that engine. http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27b.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27c.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27d.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27e.jpg Clark
Re: Accucraft K-27
Check out these Vance. Dave Hottmann was running his Saturday on my layout. That's 22 cars behind that engine. http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27a.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27b.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27c.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27d.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/k27e.jpg Clark Vance Bass wrote: Word has it that the Accucraft K-27s are starting to be delivered. Can I get a witness? -vance- Is it too much to demand? I want a full house and a rock-and-roll band, Pens that won't run out of ink, and cool quiet and time to think. Shouldn't I have all of this, and passionate kisses? - Lucinda Williams
Re: Accucraft K-27
Ran mine at Clark Lord's Saturday. Pictures on SitG Message Board. Dave Hottmann Washington,Ut - Original Message - From: Vance Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Accucraft K-27 Word has it that the Accucraft K-27s are starting to be delivered. Can I get a witness? -vance- Is it too much to demand? I want a full house and a rock-and-roll band, Pens that won't run out of ink, and cool quiet and time to think. Shouldn't I have all of this, and passionate kisses? - Lucinda Williams
