Re: Head lights on British engines
Paul, Ref Signal lamps on Brit locos. Depends what the loco is doing: There are many variations of headlamp codes, It's complicated. I have a list I can snail mail it to you or try and scan it. Or, if you tell me what duties the tank is going to perform I can probably pick out the closest lamp arrangement for you. For example a Freight , mineral or ballast train stopping at intermediate stations has one lamp above the right buffer (looking from the cab). That might suit you--only one lamp to lose too! Personally, I identify all my locos as express passenger, no matter what they do, that way I don't get anymore befuddled than I already am and these colonists don't know a lamp from a buffer anyway--except Keith Taylor and Harry Wade--and Walt Gray!! Who am I to know! My source is from a G1MRA publication some years ago--as I recall. Geoff - Original Message - >From: "Walt Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Absolutely. English locomotives did not have headlights. They >carried >> various combinations of signal lamps on the front of the loco to >> indicate the class of the train i.e. express passenger, stopping goods >> (freight) etc. >> >Hi Walt, >Of course, like everything else, you can never say that is the case >100%. There are exceptions, (although probably not on a tank locomotive) >but in a very few specific cases, locomotives like the LMS Royal Scot or >the Great Western Railways King George V, these locomotives were brought >over to the USA to operate on American railways, where they were >required to have headlights, bells and whistles to operate on Class 1 >common carrier main lines. At least the GWR King George V continued to >utilize that gear after it's return to Britain as memento of it's trip >across the Atlantic. >And, many British built locomotives were sold and used in South Africa, >South America, Cuba and India, where they would also have been equipped >with headlights as those countries do not have totally fenced off rights >of way. So, yes, in "general" it is correct to say that British >locomotives, at least in Britain, were not equipped with headlights, you >cannot say that it is absolutely incorrect for any British locomotive to >ever have a headlight. >Keith TaylorJefferson, Maine > >
Re: Head lights on British engines
- Original Message - From: "Walt Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Absolutely. English locomotives did not have headlights. They carried > various combinations of signal lamps on the front of the loco to > indicate the class of the train i.e. express passenger, stopping goods > (freight) etc. > Hi Walt, Of course, like everything else, you can never say that is the case 100%. There are exceptions, (although probably not on a tank locomotive) but in a very few specific cases, locomotives like the LMS Royal Scot or the Great Western Railways King George V, these locomotives were brought over to the USA to operate on American railways, where they were required to have headlights, bells and whistles to operate on Class 1 common carrier main lines. At least the GWR King George V continued to utilize that gear after it's return to Britain as memento of it's trip across the Atlantic. And, many British built locomotives were sold and used in South Africa, South America, Cuba and India, where they would also have been equipped with headlights as those countries do not have totally fenced off rights of way. So, yes, in "general" it is correct to say that British locomotives, at least in Britain, were not equipped with headlights, you cannot say that it is absolutely incorrect for any British locomotive to ever have a headlight. Keith TaylorJefferson, Maine
Re: Head lights on British engines
paul gamlin wrote: I am finishing up a English profile live steam tank engine and was going to put a light on it. looking at images Via Goggle it does not look like that is common practice . Is that the case ? Absolutely. English locomotives did not have headlights. They carried various combinations of signal lamps on the front of the loco to indicate the class of the train i.e. express passenger, stopping goods (freight) etc. wg
Re: Head lights on British engines
Harry wrote:- > Not in the usual American sense, but they certainly did have marker > lamps, say up to three on front, so you could equip your loco with powered > marker lamps and not offend any sensibilities, most of them anyway. Just to expand a little, the oil lamps on steam locos were removable and hooked onto brackets or "irons", These were placed one at the top of the smokebox, and three equally spaced along the buffer beam. Similarly placed irons were fitted at the rear of the loco. The placement of the lamps designated the type of train - the only two I can remember off the top of my head are :- A lamp over each buffer - express passenger. Three lamps on the buffer beam - Royal train. At the rear of the train a single red lamp would show that the train was complete. I stress that I'm no expert on this, but I expect there'll be one along in an hour or so. Mike
Re: Head lights on British engines
At 08:33 AM 5/14/04 -0700, you wrote: >I am finishing up a English profile live steam tank engine and was going to >put a light on it. looking at images Via Goggle it does not look like that >is common practice . Is that the case ? >Paul Paul, Not in the usual American sense, but they certainly did have marker lamps, say up to three on front, so you could equip your loco with powered marker lamps and not offend any sensibilities, most of them anyway. Regards, Harry Wade
Head lights on British engines
I am finishing up a English profile live steam tank engine and was going to put a light on it. looking at images Via Goggle it does not look like that is common practice . Is that the case ? Paul
