Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

Guys, don't get all worked up over design theft.  I repeat, Accucraft did ask, 
through a third party, if it was OK to use my design for their tender before they 
started building it.  It was indeed OK, and they didn't steal anything.  I offered 
it freely, they asked if they could make it a product, and I said they could.  
Accucraft has gotten some underserved bad rep before, but they have 
always been completely ethical and thoughtful in my dealings with them and 
in other situations I've heard of secondhand.  They're good guys, as far as I 
can tell, so let's let them keep doing what they're doing.  It's good for all of us.

-vance-

"Another day goes by in the time machine.  
I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean
just to take the time to turn away
and make today today."  --James Taylor 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Landon Solomon]

Ah.  I found it in the price list but sure enough, there is no pic
available yet.

Trot, the fox who wants everyone to see!

At 12:27 AM 2/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
>OK, maybe not on their site yet.  There was a mention (without picture) in
the 
>Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette that just came.
>
>regards,
>  -Vance-

  /\_/\   TrotFox  \ Always remember,
 ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a 
  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Trent Dowler]

Walt,

  OK, now I'll show my TRUE feelings. Yes, I agree with you 100%! It is flat
out THIEVERY and taking advantage of someone who has done so many great things
for both the hobby and the people involved by sharing information so freely. I
was just trying to show the 'ole "silver lining around the cloud" with the
imitation/flattery comment.
  I, like so many others, appreciate Vance's and others great designs and
willingness to share them with everyone. It really adds to the enjoyment of the
hobby. I hope that situations like this doesn't impede the sharing of
information. Certainly a copyright notice should be in order for shared files.
  I was told of another design theft that took place a while back. I won't go
into detail here but basically a company bought some detail castings from one
of the well known suppliers and used them as the pattern for some inexpensive
plastic rail cars. No monetary rewards, recognition, or mention was ever given
to the original casting supplier.
[soap box mode off]

Later,
Trent
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

> Where is it on the Accucraft site?  I have yet to see it there. 

OK, maybe not on their site yet.  There was a mention (without picture) in the 
Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette that just came.

regards,
  -Vance-

Vance Bass
FH&PB Railroad Supply Co.
6933 Cherry Hills Loop NE
Albuquerque, NM 87111
http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/fhpb/ 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Landon Solomon]

Where is it on the Accucraft site?  I have yet to see it there.  :/

Trot, the curious, fox...

At 06:05 PM 2/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
>It's on the Accucraft web site, and I think I also saw it either in Caboose 
>Hobbies recent large scale/live steam mailer or in San-Val's flyer.
>
>-vance-

  /\_/\   TrotFox  \ Always remember,
 ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a 
  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Landon Solomon]

That's likely possible but the thing I don't care for is that the coupling
points are so far out from the wheels.  On my tender I have placed them as
far inboard as possible without interfearing with the movement of the front
tender truck.  On the loco the connection is just to the rear of the rear
boiler mount.  Unfortunately this makes the up-down movement very limited
but I think there's enough freedom of movement to handle anything that the
loco itself can handle.  :)

This allows me to also have the tender and loco quite close together.

Trot, the fox who hopes that made at least some sense...

At 11:20 AM 2/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
>It might.  That's why model trains usually have some sort of tongue or 
>drawbar.  Real locomotives just had a pair of pockets that looked a lot like 
>link-and-pin couplers, which were right up against each other, leaving maybe 
>8 or 9 inches between the buffer beams of the loco and tender.  Seems like 
>you could easily fabricate a drawbar that was as long (or short) as you 
>wanted to connect the two coupling things on the Ruby, or replace with link-
>and-pin couplers and a bar of the appropriate (short) length.
>
>regards,
>  -Vance-

  /\_/\   TrotFox  \ Always remember,
 ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a 
  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." 

Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

> you were not involved or consulted. Sort of slaps you in the face 

No problem there -- I posted the plan with the intent that others use it, and I 
knew beforehand that they were going to use it for one of theirs.  Tony 
Walsham is also preparing a RCS tender based on the plan.  There's plenty 
of room for everyone!

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass 

Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

>  Is St. Aubin is the only place that I've noticed the "tender Ruby" listed 

It's on the Accucraft web site, and I think I also saw it either in Caboose 
Hobbies recent large scale/live steam mailer or in San-Val's flyer.

-vance-

"Another day goes by in the time machine.  
I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean
just to take the time to turn away
and make today today."  --James Taylor 

Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

> The one thing I didn't care for though is that the drawbar
> connection is just a link between the coupler on the back of the loco and
> a similar link-and-pin setup on the tender.  I wonder that it won't get
> pulled off of tight curves.

It might.  That's why model trains usually have some sort of tongue or 
drawbar.  Real locomotives just had a pair of pockets that looked a lot like 
link-and-pin couplers, which were right up against each other, leaving maybe 
8 or 9 inches between the buffer beams of the loco and tender.  Seems like 
you could easily fabricate a drawbar that was as long (or short) as you 
wanted to connect the two coupling things on the Ruby, or replace with link-
and-pin couplers and a bar of the appropriate (short) length.

regards,
  -Vance-

Vance Bass
FH&PB Railroad Supply Co.
6933 Cherry Hills Loop NE
Albuquerque, NM 87111
http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/fhpb/ 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Trent Dowler]

Vance and Everyone,

  Is the tender being manufactured by Accucraft or by St. Aubin Station? St. Aubin
is the only place that I've noticed the "tender Ruby" listed, but then I've not
been looking closely either. Perhaps another "third party"?
  If it is your tender design it should be very attractive, but I hate to hear that
you were not involved or consulted. Sort of slaps you in the face for all the hard
work that you do for this hobby without charge. Looking at it from a different
perspective, "imitation is the greatest form of flattery".
  If anyone comes up with any pics I'd sure like to see it, as would Vance I'm
sure.

Later,
Trent


VR Bass wrote:

> I'm told that they used my plans for the tender for "Miss Ruth Hill"
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[WaltSwartz]

Trent and the list,
I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that "imitation is the 
greatest form of flattery." If in fact the item is based on Vance's design, 
then it is THIEVERY pure and simple. I do not know if Vance put a copyright 
note on his plans, but in any event, I do not like to see this happening. 
Now I will get off my soapbox before Lunk decides to heist his leg on it!
Keep your steam up!
Walt & Lunk 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Landon Solomon]

It's pretty darned close!  I didn't measure the thing but they really look
similar.  :)  The one thing I didn't care for though is that the drawbar
connection is just a link between the coupler on the back of the loco and a
similar link-and-pin setup on the tender.  I wonder that it won't get
pulled off of tight curves.  :/

Trot, the comentary, fox...

At 10:39 AM 2/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm told that they used my plans for the tender for "Miss Ruth Hill",
which are 
>posted on my Ruby pages.  Can those of you who've seen it comment on the 
>similarity?
>
>regards,
>  -vance-


  /\_/\   TrotFox  \ Always remember,
 ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a 
  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." 

Re: Ruby Tender

[VR Bass]

I'm told that they used my plans for the tender for "Miss Ruth Hill", which are 
posted on my Ruby pages.  Can those of you who've seen it comment on the 
similarity?

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Landon Solomon]

I've seen them in person but didn't have a camera on-hand to snap photos of
them.  I might be able to answer any specific questions you have.  :)

The IV's are cute as buttons people, very nifty extention of the loco.

Trot, the lucky, foxy...  ;]

At 11:25 PM 2/1/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>  I think I've seen this discussed here recently but couldn't come up with in
>in the archives.
>  Does anyone have any pics of the Ruby IV (Ruby with a tender and gauge)
that
>St. Aubin Station is selling for $569.89? So far my searchs have come up
empty
>handed. Anyone seen it?
>
>Later,
>Trent

  /\_/\   TrotFox  \ Always remember,
 ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a 
  >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Trent Dowler]

Hello Everyone,

  I think I've seen this discussed here recently but couldn't come up with in
in the archives.
  Does anyone have any pics of the Ruby IV (Ruby with a tender and gauge) that
St. Aubin Station is selling for $569.89? So far my searchs have come up empty
handed. Anyone seen it?

Later,
Trent
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[David M. Cole]

In a message dated 01/27/01 9:58:35 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs?  It sounds like
it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. >>

At 7:29 AM -0800 1/29/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 01/27/01 12:50:06 PM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? >>
>
>Yes.  Got carried away trying to go through 400 plus messages in too short a
>time.  Sorry for the confusion.

Marklin/Maxi is sold in the U.S. by a variety of hobby shops -- I have
encountered the rolling stock at two stores in California.

The equipment is also sold over the Internet at

http://www.eurorailhobbies.com

I cite this particular site because he is importing the live steam Marklin
and he needs to be encouraged ... ;-) ...

\dmc


^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  
Editor:   TRELLIS & TRESTLE, the newsletter of the
  Bay Area Garden Railway Society 
  
Web & List:   Pacific Coast Live Steamers 
  
^^^

 

Re: Ruby Tender

[SALTYCRABB]

In a message dated 01/27/01 12:50:06 PM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? >>

Yes.  Got carried away trying to go through 400 plus messages in too short a 
time.  Sorry for the confusion.

Jim 

Re: Ruby Tender

[SALTYCRABB]

In a message dated 01/27/01 9:58:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs?  It sounds like 
it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. >>


Don

I bought my tender from Jerry Hyde (Hyde-Out Mountain Live Steam - 
740-946-6611) from a notice on For Sale board at SitG website.

Jim 

Re: Ruby Tender

[David M. Cole]

At 10:54 AM -0800 1/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I use a metal maxitrack.  Looks good and the additional weight helps the
>sound effects as well.

Jim:

Do you mean Marklin/Maxi?

\dmc


^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  
Editor:   TRELLIS & TRESTLE, the newsletter of the
  Bay Area Garden Railway Society 
  
Web & List:   Pacific Coast Live Steamers 
  
^^^

 

RE: Ruby Tender

[Charles W. Walters]

Don,

Please send your messages in plain text.  They are going out in HTML format!
Thank you!

Chuck Walters - President
Central New York Large Scale Railway Society
http://home.twcny.rr.com/cnylsrs
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of Don Plasterer
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: Ruby Tender


Jim & List,
Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs?  It sounds like it
would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight.

Don


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
>Subject: Re: Ruby Tender
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:54:33 EST
>
>In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby >>
>
>Don et al
>
>I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the
>sound effects as well.
>
>Jim
>Seabrook



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Re: Ruby Tender

[Don Plasterer]

Jim & List,
Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs?  It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight.
 
Don

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Ruby Tender 
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:54:33 EST 
> 
>In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> 
><< looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby >> 
> 
>Don et al 
> 
>I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the 
>sound effects as well. 
> 
>Jim 
>Seabrook 
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Re: Ruby Tender

[Trent Dowler]

Hello. I'm Trent, and I'm a New Bright basher.

Clark, I hadn't thought of the New Bright tenders as possible donors. Thanks
for the idea.
  I bought two complete New Bright sets at a garge sale last summer for $15.
The lady was very adoment about informing me that they didn't work. I
assured her that I knew what I was doing. (Does that sound anything like the
Redneck's famous last words, "Hey, ya'll watch this!"?) There's a ton of
useable parts on those sets and it's a lot of fun to make a "whimsy" out of
them. Nope, I've never counted a rivet in my life. 
  In my opinion, lose the plastic coal load and build one that looks more
realistic for the type fuel burner that you're building.

Later,
Trent

Clark Lord wrote:

> The New Bright battery powered train sets have a plastic tender with a
> simulated coal load that looks just right.
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Clark Lord]

Don Plasterer wrote:
> 
> List,
> 
> I am looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby.  I'm not very good at
> scratch building but don't mind doing a "bash".  Does anyone know of a
> small tender (non-sloped back)?  Metal or plastic.

The New Bright battery powered train sets have a plastic tender with a
simulated coal load that looks just right.  You might find one at the
flea market.  Of course you would have to repaint it.

Clark 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Peter Foley]

At 06:03 PM 26/01/01 +0100, Z.R. Struzik wrote:

>Roundhouse in UK sells separately the tender from
>their William loco. I hope it is not too wide for
>Ruby. William is 125mm wide so I suppose so is the
>tender

Actually they have two tenders - a bogie version (2 trucks), 8"lx4"wx3.5"h, 
as used with the Sandy River and other larger locos; and a 4-wheel model, 
7"lx4.5"wx4.75"h. Thay are both the same price and available as a kit at 
100 UKP or ready to run at 135 UKP, plus shipping.  They are available in 
all the standard RH colours.  Talk to the folks at Brandbright if you are 
interested.

rta,

pf
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[SALTYCRABB]

In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby >>

Don et al

I use a metal maxitrack.  Looks good and the additional weight helps the 
sound effects as well.

Jim
Seabrook 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Z.R. Struzik]

Hi Don,
Roundhouse in UK sells separately the tender from
their William loco. I hope it is not too wide for
Ruby. William is 125mm wide so I suppose so is the 
tender 

Check http://roundhouse-eng.com/
go to Parts 

Good luck 
Zbigniew

> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:30:02 -0500
> From: "Don Plasterer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 

> I am looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby.  I'm not very
> good at scratch building but don't mind doing a "bash".  Does
> anyone know of a small tender (non-sloped back)?  Metal or
> plastic.  
 

Re: Ruby Tender

[Kevin Strong]

Aristo Craft makes a tender for their c-16 that would work, or perhaps a
Bachmann 2-4-2 tender. Both would look good behind the Ruby. I don't
know if anyone's offered commercially a simple 4 wheel tender or not. 

Later,

K