Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Really exciting Jeff! I saw the sparkie version at The Train Shop Yesterday. Looks nice. I really have to convince Bing, Charlie and Cliff to start thinking hard about a live steam version of their West Side Heisler!! I would love one of those. Can't wait to see that Daylight in action. Eric Maschwitz www.grabiron.com On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Over the past year, there's been a lot of tantalizing hints about a live steam SP Daylight GS-4 from Accucraft. St. Aubin Station started taking deposits on this loco nine months ago. Being one of the world's greatest optimists, I plunked down my deposit. Now I've got some confidence that I will eventually see that loco. Here's today's response from Cliff Luscher from Accucraft as an addendum to a question about my K-27: Dear Jeff, I am glad that your problem is solved for the K-27 live steam loco. Bing, the owner of the company, told me this morning that we will have GS-4 live steam in approximately a year. It is the next locomotive to be engineered into a live steam locomotive after our C-21 comes out this summer. The Daylight Passenger Cars are due out soon. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your inquiry. Cliff Accucraft Trains == OhBoyOhBoyOhBoy!!!
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
My only gripe is the price. But, considering the amount of work to make one, which one of us would make them for that amount of money and still feed his family? Perhaps we not so rich live steamers need to consider buying trains like some plane owners do, as a consortium or small group who pool their money and schedule time to play with their expensive toy. Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor Really exciting Jeff! I saw the sparkie version at The Train Shop Yesterday. Looks nice. I really have to convince Bing, Charlie and Cliff to start thinking hard about a live steam version of their West Side Heisler!! I would love one of those. Can't wait to see that Daylight in action. Eric Maschwitz www.grabiron.com On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Jeffrey Williams wrote: Over the past year, there's been a lot of tantalizing hints about a live steam SP Daylight GS-4 from Accucraft. St. Aubin Station started taking deposits on this loco nine months ago. Being one of the world's greatest optimists, I plunked down my deposit. Now I've got some confidence that I will eventually see that loco. Here's today's response from Cliff Luscher from Accucraft as an addendum to a question about my K-27: Dear Jeff, I am glad that your problem is solved for the K-27 live steam loco. Bing, the owner of the company, told me this morning that we will have GS-4 live steam in approximately a year. It is the next locomotive to be engineered into a live steam locomotive after our C-21 comes out this summer. The Daylight Passenger Cars are due out soon. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your inquiry. Cliff Accucraft Trains == OhBoyOhBoyOhBoy!!!
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Have they determined fuel type yet? In a recent survey almost 80% of current steamers prefer spirit fireing over gas. If they feel the need to offer gas for the newbees, maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal... Jeff in NC
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Where was this survey at? Who was surveyed? Where is it reported? Mike Eorgoff - Original Message - From: Jeff Runge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! Have they determined fuel type yet? In a recent survey almost 80% of current steamers prefer spirit fireing over gas. If they feel the need to offer gas for the newbees, maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal... Jeff in NC
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
In a recent survey almost 80% of current steamers prefer spirit fireing over gas. Jeff, that's a very interesting statistic! I'm curious who conducted the survey, who responded, etc. Although alcohol is the traditional fuel in the UK, all the currently available locos from Roundhouse and Accucraft (the Ford and GM of the industry) run on gas. So I wonder, who's buying these things, the best-sellers for the general public, and who's answering the survey? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
In a message dated 3/15/03 11:22:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal... I would sure be interested in where that survey came from!? I think that it would be rather difficult to coal fire a gas flue tubed boiler. You do sort of need a firebox for coal! Best you could do would be a radiant heater that could be exchanged for grates. Bob
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Bob: Aster Bigboy is coal/gas fired, Allegheny is alchy/coal, other engines are mixed fuel types as well. Jim
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
The survey was taken by Aster, It was almost a year ago, they wanted input on what we wanted to see next in a U.S./ North American outline engine, and what type of fuel, I don't remember what other questions. However the results showed almost as many different engines an there were responses to the survey. But the one thing that was VERY conclusive was the preference for spirit firing. I have owned gas fired engines and I never had any of the problems I read about, other then the cold weather.( It was a Frank S, which I ran in the snow with RC, when finished the fuel tank would be empty and covered with ice!) However I much prefer spirit fired engines, as do many others in this hobby. Aster it appears is aware of this, looking at all recent offerings. I hope Accucraft gives it a try. Jeff in NC
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American. And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Vance, In a recent conversation with Jim Pitts, he talked about doing a survey to see Who is in this hobby, and collect information like: age, background,education,where do you live, how many engines, what kind, ect,ect. some information may be sensitive like income so one would need to be discreet or anonymous. This survey would cover everyone willing to respond. He is not sure how to reach everyone? not everyone has internet access, and the closest thing to a mailing list would come from DH and local clubs. not very cost effective. The down side of doing this survey is it may scare away the manufactures.( given the average age one would expect) hehe. Jeff in NC - Original Message - From: Vance Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American. And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
I don't see any reason why a limited sampling of all listers wouldn't be of great interest to manufacturers. And to the listers. I, for one, would like to see a survey such as Mr Pitts suggested, even knowing that the universe is constrained by those with internet access (or, more accurately, members of this list). Just my 2ยข. royce in SB Jeff Runge wrote: Vance, In a recent conversation with Jim Pitts, he talked about doing a survey to see Who is in this hobby, and collect information like: age, background,education,where do you live, how many engines, what kind, ect,ect. some information may be sensitive like income so one would need to be discreet or anonymous. This survey would cover everyone willing to respond. He is not sure how to reach everyone? not everyone has internet access, and the closest thing to a mailing list would come from DH and local clubs. not very cost effective. The down side of doing this survey is it may scare away the manufactures.( given the average age one would expect) hehe. Jeff in NC - Original Message - From: Vance Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American. And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Is butane or alcohol more readily available world wide? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Vance Bass To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American. And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Gary, With a little looking,I think you can find butane or alcohol almost anywhere. BTW I like your web site, always makes me smile, the audio is great! Jeff in NC - Original Message - From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! Is butane or alcohol more readily available world wide? Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Vance Bass To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real! It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American. And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster survey (i.e., current Aster owners, I suspect) would prefer what Aster has already made. It would be really interesting to see the same survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4: It's for real!
Is butane or alcohol more readily available world wide? Definitely alcohol! And, should commercial supplies get scarce, you can make your own, which you definitely cannot say about butane. A butane-fired loco is similar to your current automobile (if you're an average citizen). It's highly dependent on a technological infrastructure that you have no influence over and whose technology you have no access to. If Chrysler goes under and the fuel injection control module in your new PT Cruiser goes bad, you're screwed. But I still see Studebakers and Ramblers trundling around the streets of Albuquerque (original owner!). The infrastructure required to keep them running is much less specialized and lower-tech than the newer cars, and the same can be said of the alcohol/butane debate, I fear. Still, all but one of our locos here on the FHPB are butane-fired, and I trust that I'd be able to rig something up to fire them if butane became unavailable. Maybe even a new alcohol-fired boiler, the equivalent of putting a carbureted Studebaker engine into your ailing Cruiser! So, I'm not too worried. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
