Re: Ruby Tender
Walt, OK, now I'll show my TRUE feelings. Yes, I agree with you 100%! It is flat out THIEVERY and taking advantage of someone who has done so many great things for both the hobby and the people involved by sharing information so freely. I was just trying to show the 'ole "silver lining around the cloud" with the imitation/flattery comment. I, like so many others, appreciate Vance's and others great designs and willingness to share them with everyone. It really adds to the enjoyment of the hobby. I hope that situations like this doesn't impede the sharing of information. Certainly a copyright notice should be in order for shared files. I was told of another design theft that took place a while back. I won't go into detail here but basically a company bought some detail castings from one of the well known suppliers and used them as the pattern for some inexpensive plastic rail cars. No monetary rewards, recognition, or mention was ever given to the original casting supplier. [soap box mode off] Later, Trent
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Ah. I found it in the price list but sure enough, there is no pic available yet. Trot, the fox who wants everyone to see! At 12:27 AM 2/3/01 -0700, you wrote: OK, maybe not on their site yet. There was a mention (without picture) in the Narrow Gauge Short Line Gazette that just came. regards, -Vance- /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a \_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative."
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Guys, don't get all worked up over design theft. I repeat, Accucraft did ask, through a third party, if it was OK to use my design for their tender before they started building it. It was indeed OK, and they didn't steal anything. I offered it freely, they asked if they could make it a product, and I said they could. Accucraft has gotten some underserved bad rep before, but they have always been completely ethical and thoughtful in my dealings with them and in other situations I've heard of secondhand. They're good guys, as far as I can tell, so let's let them keep doing what they're doing. It's good for all of us. -vance- "Another day goes by in the time machine. I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean just to take the time to turn away and make today today." --James Taylor
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It's pretty darned close! I didn't measure the thing but they really look similar. :) The one thing I didn't care for though is that the drawbar connection is just a link between the coupler on the back of the loco and a similar link-and-pin setup on the tender. I wonder that it won't get pulled off of tight curves. :/ Trot, the comentary, fox... At 10:39 AM 2/2/01 -0700, you wrote: I'm told that they used my plans for the tender for "Miss Ruth Hill", which are posted on my Ruby pages. Can those of you who've seen it comment on the similarity? regards, -vance- /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a \_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative."
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Trent and the list, I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that "imitation is the greatest form of flattery." If in fact the item is based on Vance's design, then it is THIEVERY pure and simple. I do not know if Vance put a copyright note on his plans, but in any event, I do not like to see this happening. Now I will get off my soapbox before Lunk decides to heist his leg on it! Keep your steam up! Walt Lunk
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The one thing I didn't care for though is that the drawbar connection is just a link between the coupler on the back of the loco and a similar link-and-pin setup on the tender. I wonder that it won't get pulled off of tight curves. It might. That's why model trains usually have some sort of tongue or drawbar. Real locomotives just had a pair of pockets that looked a lot like link-and-pin couplers, which were right up against each other, leaving maybe 8 or 9 inches between the buffer beams of the loco and tender. Seems like you could easily fabricate a drawbar that was as long (or short) as you wanted to connect the two coupling things on the Ruby, or replace with link- and-pin couplers and a bar of the appropriate (short) length. regards, -Vance- Vance Bass FHPB Railroad Supply Co. 6933 Cherry Hills Loop NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/fhpb/
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Is St. Aubin is the only place that I've noticed the "tender Ruby" listed It's on the Accucraft web site, and I think I also saw it either in Caboose Hobbies recent large scale/live steam mailer or in San-Val's flyer. -vance- "Another day goes by in the time machine. I've been breaking my brain over what it might mean just to take the time to turn away and make today today." --James Taylor
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That's likely possible but the thing I don't care for is that the coupling points are so far out from the wheels. On my tender I have placed them as far inboard as possible without interfearing with the movement of the front tender truck. On the loco the connection is just to the rear of the rear boiler mount. Unfortunately this makes the up-down movement very limited but I think there's enough freedom of movement to handle anything that the loco itself can handle. :) This allows me to also have the tender and loco quite close together. Trot, the fox who hopes that made at least some sense... At 11:20 AM 2/2/01 -0700, you wrote: It might. That's why model trains usually have some sort of tongue or drawbar. Real locomotives just had a pair of pockets that looked a lot like link-and-pin couplers, which were right up against each other, leaving maybe 8 or 9 inches between the buffer beams of the loco and tender. Seems like you could easily fabricate a drawbar that was as long (or short) as you wanted to connect the two coupling things on the Ruby, or replace with link- and-pin couplers and a bar of the appropriate (short) length. regards, -Vance- /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a \_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative."
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Where is it on the Accucraft site? I have yet to see it there. OK, maybe not on their site yet. There was a mention (without picture) in the Narrow Gauge Short Line Gazette that just came. regards, -Vance- Vance Bass FHPB Railroad Supply Co. 6933 Cherry Hills Loop NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/fhpb/
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Hello Everyone, I think I've seen this discussed here recently but couldn't come up with in in the archives. Does anyone have any pics of the Ruby IV (Ruby with a tender and gauge) that St. Aubin Station is selling for $569.89? So far my searchs have come up empty handed. Anyone seen it? Later, Trent
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In a message dated 01/27/01 9:58:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs? It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. Don I bought my tender from Jerry Hyde (Hyde-Out Mountain Live Steam - 740-946-6611) from a notice on For Sale board at SitG website. Jim
Re: Ruby Tender
In a message dated 01/27/01 9:58:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs? It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. At 7:29 AM -0800 1/29/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 01/27/01 12:50:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? Yes. Got carried away trying to go through 400 plus messages in too short a time. Sorry for the confusion. Marklin/Maxi is sold in the U.S. by a variety of hobby shops -- I have encountered the rolling stock at two stores in California. The equipment is also sold over the Internet at http://www.eurorailhobbies.com I cite this particular site because he is importing the live steam Marklin and he needs to be encouraged ... ;-) ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
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Jim List, Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs? It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. Don From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Ruby Tender Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:54:33 EST In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby Don et al I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the sound effects as well. Jim Seabrook Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Don, Please send your messages in plain text. They are going out in HTML format! Thank you! Chuck Walters - President Central New York Large Scale Railway Society http://home.twcny.rr.com/cnylsrs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Plasterer Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Ruby Tender Jim List, Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs? It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. Don From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Ruby Tender Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:54:33 EST In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby Don et al I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the sound effects as well. Jim Seabrook Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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At 10:54 AM -0800 1/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the sound effects as well. Jim: Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Ruby Tender
Hi Don, Roundhouse in UK sells separately the tender from their William loco. I hope it is not too wide for Ruby. William is 125mm wide so I suppose so is the tender Check http://roundhouse-eng.com/ go to Parts Good luck Zbigniew Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:30:02 -0500 From: "Don Plasterer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby.nbsp; I'm not very good at scratch building but don't mind doing a "bash".nbsp; Does anyone know of a small tender (non-sloped back)?nbsp; Metal or plastic.nbsp;
Re: Ruby Tender
In a message dated 01/26/01 10:31:12 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby Don et al I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the sound effects as well. Jim Seabrook
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At 06:03 PM 26/01/01 +0100, Z.R. Struzik wrote: Roundhouse in UK sells separately the tender from their William loco. I hope it is not too wide for Ruby. William is 125mm wide so I suppose so is the tender Actually they have two tenders - a bogie version (2 trucks), 8"lx4"wx3.5"h, as used with the Sandy River and other larger locos; and a 4-wheel model, 7"lx4.5"wx4.75"h. Thay are both the same price and available as a kit at 100 UKP or ready to run at 135 UKP, plus shipping. They are available in all the standard RH colours. Talk to the folks at Brandbright if you are interested. rta, pf
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Don Plasterer wrote: List, I am looking for a tender to go behind my Ruby. I'm not very good at scratch building but don't mind doing a "bash". Does anyone know of a small tender (non-sloped back)? Metal or plastic. The New Bright battery powered train sets have a plastic tender with a simulated coal load that looks just right. You might find one at the flea market. Of course you would have to repaint it. Clark
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Hello. I'm Trent, and I'm a New Bright basher. Clark, I hadn't thought of the New Bright tenders as possible donors. Thanks for the idea. I bought two complete New Bright sets at a garge sale last summer for $15. The lady was very adoment about informing me that they didn't work. I assured her that I knew what I was doing. (Does that sound anything like the Redneck's famous last words, "Hey, ya'll watch this!"?) There's a ton of useable parts on those sets and it's a lot of fun to make a "whimsy" out of them. Nope, I've never counted a rivet in my life. grin In my opinion, lose the plastic coal load and build one that looks more realistic for the type fuel burner that you're building. Later, Trent Clark Lord wrote: The New Bright battery powered train sets have a plastic tender with a simulated coal load that looks just right.
