Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[JR May]

I have enjoyed the banter on the size of the K-27.  I thought (maybe, maybe
not) you might enjoy a similar problem the museum I am part of has with a
full size 3' gauge outside frame 2-8-0 (1912 Baldwin, 70 tons)  which ran at
the Quincy and Torch Lake RR up in Michigan as #6.   You may see it
designated as a K-25.

We generally run a 47 ton 2-6-2 and an assortment of diesels ranging up to
55 tons.  Carry about 50,000 people per year.

Anyway, when we need to move the Quincy engine, which is not yet restored,
it is a major project.  The cab just squeezes through our car barn and
requires a track bar to pry the cab over an inch or so to clear the door,
the counter weights hit the ballast in several areas of our yard trackage,
and our boarding platform must be moved to clear the cylinders in the
station area.  I have heard stories that this engine would derail itself in
snow and ice conditions when the counter balances come down, hit the ice,
and lift itself up off the rails. The same problems seem to exist in the 12"
:1' world as it does in the smaller scales.

BTW, restoration of this engine should begin this year in an effort to
return it to operation.  We are currently completing a full rebuild on a
1912 Porter mogul.

The web site is being updated, but if interested its at www.njmt.org.  We
should have an area devoted to the many NJMT locomotives soon.

If anyone wants a tour, let me know.

J.R.




- Original Message -
From: Anthony Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?


> Hi Dave,
>  While Jeff was running his  K27 on his small radius test track at
home
> last week, we noticed that the center mounted coupling was actually
> positioned over the outside rail while running the curve. Making the
> effective width of the engine an additional 1" wider on the curves. So
> although  5.75" wide in static mode, it becomes 6.75" wide when running
the
> outside curves. I suggest the cab, particularly the outside roof line,
> steps out even further, but we did not check that. Jeff also had to move
> some of Dan Lieberwitz' model village real estate while running last
Saturday.
>  No matter the track size, someone always shows up with a larger
> engine!. As you are finding out already.
>  Regards,
>  Tony D.
>
>
> At 08:55 AM 2/18/03 -0800, Dave Cole wrote:
> >jeff:
> >
> >when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to
run
> >the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that
> >had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps
> >that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ...
> >
> >\dmc
> >
> >
> >At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote:
> >>Mine (#461) is 5.75" wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the
> >>pilot beam.  The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under
> >>6".  The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875".  It's possible that other
> >>road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the
> >>other road numbers.
> >>
> >>Accucraft claims 30" minimum radius.  I've run mine on 48" radius and it
> >>works fine.  The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers.
> >>The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the
> >>distance between loco and tender on tight radii.
> >>
> >>See
> >>
> >>http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm
> >>
> >>for their web page on the K-27 live steam.  It's not linked to any of
> >>their other pages
> >>
> >>===
> >>
> >>
> >>"Daniel R. Fuller" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a
> >>>  clearance problem.   I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27.
> >>>  I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge.  Real railroads had to
> >>>  limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same.  I
> >>>  think that the C-16 will be ok.
> >>>
> >>>  What is the size of the "loading gauge"  for the K-27?  Just overall
> >>>  height above the rails and the total width is all I need.
> >>>
> >>>  What is the minimum radius for the K-27?
> >>>
> >>>  Dan Fuller
> >>>  Carrollton, Texas
> >
> >
> >--
> >^^^
> >Dave Cole
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> >   Pacifica, Calif. USA <http://45mm.com/>
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> >
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>
>
>
 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Anthony Dixon]

Hi Dave,
While Jeff was running his  K27 on his small radius test track at home 
last week, we noticed that the center mounted coupling was actually 
positioned over the outside rail while running the curve. Making the 
effective width of the engine an additional 1" wider on the curves. So 
although  5.75" wide in static mode, it becomes 6.75" wide when running the 
outside curves. I suggest the cab, particularly the outside roof line, 
steps out even further, but we did not check that. Jeff also had to move 
some of Dan Lieberwitz' model village real estate while running last Saturday.
No matter the track size, someone always shows up with a larger 
engine!. As you are finding out already.
Regards,
Tony D.


At 08:55 AM 2/18/03 -0800, Dave Cole wrote:
jeff:

when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was to run 
the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the tender that 
had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor layout. perhaps 
that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ...

\dmc


At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote:
Mine (#461) is 5.75" wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the
pilot beam.  The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under
6".  The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875".  It's possible that other
road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the
other road numbers.

Accucraft claims 30" minimum radius.  I've run mine on 48" radius and it
works fine.  The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers.
The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the
distance between loco and tender on tight radii.

See

http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm

for their web page on the K-27 live steam.  It's not linked to any of
their other pages

===


"Daniel R. Fuller" wrote:


 I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a
 clearance problem.   I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27.
 I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge.  Real railroads had to
 limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same.  I
 think that the C-16 will be ok.

 What is the size of the "loading gauge"  for the K-27?  Just overall
 height above the rails and the total width is all I need.

 What is the minimum radius for the K-27?

 Dan Fuller
 Carrollton, Texas



--
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  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
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Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Michael Martin]

Ah, dual power systems. It's not unlike the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight
hybrid vehicles...

:-)

Mike 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Gary]

I am impressed! This K-27 has operating pressures of 50-60 psi AND has
"Pittman gearhead motor powers the eight drivers through the steel bevel
gears enclosed in a metal gear box."  Amazing no?

Perhaps they have not yet linked this page because it has errors?

Gary - Ted and I steamed his 7/8' Saddle Tank 0-6-0 RoundHouse Porter and my
Aster Alisan shay for 3.5 hours this afternoon. Very nice way to spend an
afternoon running over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor


Gary,

I don't have a clue why Accucraft is still not advertising the K-27. There
is a web page on the K-27 live steam located at;

http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm

It is interesting there is still no link to this page on their site.

Perhaps they are trying reverse logic thinking more mistery will increase
demand.

You can order direct or through a limited number of dealers for the same
price of $3,995.00   Accucraft is not allowing dealers to discount.

Great engine but it is big.

Regards

Tom Burns
Sugar Land, TX
RGS in Live Steam


 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Walt Swartz]

Isn't that now illegal? I thought they had to advertise it as "Fair Traded"
Keep your steam up!
Walt
 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Tsbshb]

Gary,

I don't have a clue why Accucraft is still not advertising the K-27. There is a web 
page on the K-27 live steam located at;

http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm

It is interesting there is still no link to this page on their site.

Perhaps they are trying reverse logic thinking more mistery will increase demand.

You can order direct or through a limited number of dealers for the same price of 
$3,995.00   Accucraft is not allowing dealers to discount.

Great engine but it is big.

Regards

Tom Burns
Sugar Land, TX
RGS in Live Steam

 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Gary]

OK,
What am I missing? I look on Accucraft's website and do not find a K-27 live
steamer. Where are people buying these?
Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was
to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the
tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor
layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ...


 

Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Dave Cole]

jeff:

when harlan barr had his k-27 over here, the first thing he did was 
to run the tender around the track by hand, saying that it was the 
tender that had torn into elements of his heavily scenicked indoor 
layout. perhaps that's a dimension that daniel would like as well ...

\dmc


At 8:04 PM -0800 2/17/03, Jeffrey Williams wrote:
Mine (#461) is 5.75" wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the
pilot beam.  The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under
6".  The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875".  It's possible that other
road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the
other road numbers.

Accucraft claims 30" minimum radius.  I've run mine on 48" radius and it
works fine.  The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers.
The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the
distance between loco and tender on tight radii.

See

http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm

for their web page on the K-27 live steam.  It's not linked to any of
their other pages

===


"Daniel R. Fuller" wrote:


 I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a
 clearance problem.   I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27.
 I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge.  Real railroads had to
 limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same.  I
 think that the C-16 will be ok.

 What is the size of the "loading gauge"  for the K-27?  Just overall
 height above the rails and the total width is all I need.

 What is the minimum radius for the K-27?

 Dan Fuller
 Carrollton, Texas




--
^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  

ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 17-20, 2003
For more information, visit the web site at 

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Re: Size of Accucraft K-27?

[Jeffrey Williams]

Mine (#461) is 5.75" wide over the cylinders as well as the width of the
pilot beam.  The shades on the cab are a bit wider at just a hair under
6".  The stack is the tallest piece at 7.875".  It's possible that other
road numbers vary from this, since the cylinders are different on the
other road numbers.

Accucraft claims 30" minimum radius.  I've run mine on 48" radius and it
works fine.  The two center driving axles have blind flange drivers. 
The tender drawbar has alternate holes for the connection to spread the
distance between loco and tender on tight radii.

See

http://www.accucraft.com/pg-87140.htm

for their web page on the K-27 live steam.  It's not linked to any of
their other pages

===


"Daniel R. Fuller" wrote:
> 
> I am building a track and due to space limitations, I have a
> clearance problem.   I need to know the size of the Accucraft K-27.
> I saw them at Diamondhead and they are huge.  Real railroads had to
> limit engines on certain tracks, and I may need to do the same.  I
> think that the C-16 will be ok.
> 
> What is the size of the "loading gauge"  for the K-27?  Just overall
> height above the rails and the total width is all I need.
> 
> What is the minimum radius for the K-27?
> 
> Dan Fuller
> Carrollton, Texas
>