[OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
(apologies if you've already seen this but it did not seem to appear on the
list - almost positively user error - but attached again).
Hi Olivier,
I notice, actually in tiles examples, specifically:
tiles-documentation/layouts/vboxLayout.jsp
... there is a note that "don't use tag because it doesn't allow
insert (in JSP1.1)" - there is a workaround though using scriptlet code -
that I think may be what you need.
H.
tiles-documentation/layouts/vboxLayout.jsp
--
<%@ page import="java.util.Iterator"%>
<%@ taglib uri="/WEB-INF/struts-tiles.tld" prefix="tiles" %>
<%-- Layout component
Render a list of tiles in a vertical column
@param : list List of names to insert
--%>
<%-- Iterate over names.
We don't use tag because it doesn't allow insert (in JSP1.1)
--%>
<%
Iterator i=list.iterator();
while( i.hasNext() )
{
String name= (String)i.next();
%>
<%
} // end loop
%>
-Original Message-
From: ROSSEL Olivier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 February 2003 16:50
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles
> Tiles is a major pita to set up but its amazing how much time
> it saves down
> the road.
> I think its awesome just from the fact that u dont need to worry about
> putting all the decorations on a page (nav bar/header/footer
> etc) and only
> need to worry about the meat and potatoes part.
> Aside from using it as a layout manager however, there's a
> few other things
> that it can be helpful for.
> I would suggest going to the main tiles site to see all the
> stuff it can
> add.
A tiles tag can not be inside a logic:iterate.
It is a very painful limitation.
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RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
-Original Message- From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:32 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles I'm pretty sure the solution is to use another table outside of this one and have yet another nested table - but this is a special case just for Opera. (Ok and w3c compliance, presumably). Another solution is to use CSS2 positioning, then u can avoid using tables for formatting altogether (use nice structural div tags instead!) and still be in w3c compliance. It works great. -D.
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
The problem is that the height attribute for tr elements is undefined in HTML 4.01 spec. Using non-standard attributes and elements will always lead to compatibility problems. David From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:31:38 - ;-> Actually Opera do supply it as a "deb" for Linux so we might well give it a try - as all development happens on Debian workstations. I guess it's not supplied as part of Debs as it's not OSS? I remember the problem now... when using Opera (probably rightly) allocates 100% of the table - the consequence being the footer drops off the bottom of the browser and you get a scrollbar at any resolution. This doesn't happen in IE or Moz. (Of course I'm not saying IE and Moz are correct to do this). I'm pretty sure the solution is to use another table outside of this one and have yet another nested table - but this is a special case just for Opera. (Ok and w3c compliance, presumably). There are loads of googles on this and just before we get to production we'll deal with it then. After all we have to keep the Opera fans happy - it was my first real browser before I was Mozilla.org'ed. Thanks for your comments. If you don't mind - I appreciate it's very OT - but if you have the answer to the above I'd be very grateful of your input. Kind regards, H. -Original Message----- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 19:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles If it looks ok in Opera, then it will look ok in the other browsers. Maybe you should test in Opera first ;-). David >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:54:45 - > > >> Opera suppports the w3c standards >more closely than the other browsers. << > >That's probably the problem! No, seriously there are some dirty tricks used >just to get the site up and running - before a proper review to ensure it >is >compliant. Last time I tried Opera it was not displaying nicely - lines >very >thick I think (but does not occur on IE or Moz) - I was just warning in >case >I got emails from anyone pointing out Opera may look strange. Rightly or >wrongly we get to checking Opera last - but it will displays correctly in >Opera before it's in production. > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 17:45 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards >more closely than the other browsers. > >David > > > > >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 - > > > >Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is >actually > >hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will >not > >connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. > > > >Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a >bit > >strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if >you > >can connect! > > > >H. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and >Mozilla. > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > > > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours > > >they felt would > > >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > > > > > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this > > >will not be > > >surp
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
;-> Actually Opera do supply it as a "deb" for Linux so we might well give it a try - as all development happens on Debian workstations. I guess it's not supplied as part of Debs as it's not OSS? I remember the problem now... when using Opera (probably rightly) allocates 100% of the table - the consequence being the footer drops off the bottom of the browser and you get a scrollbar at any resolution. This doesn't happen in IE or Moz. (Of course I'm not saying IE and Moz are correct to do this). I'm pretty sure the solution is to use another table outside of this one and have yet another nested table - but this is a special case just for Opera. (Ok and w3c compliance, presumably). There are loads of googles on this and just before we get to production we'll deal with it then. After all we have to keep the Opera fans happy - it was my first real browser before I was Mozilla.org'ed. Thanks for your comments. If you don't mind - I appreciate it's very OT - but if you have the answer to the above I'd be very grateful of your input. Kind regards, H. -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 19:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles If it looks ok in Opera, then it will look ok in the other browsers. Maybe you should test in Opera first ;-). David >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:54:45 - > > >> Opera suppports the w3c standards >more closely than the other browsers. << > >That's probably the problem! No, seriously there are some dirty tricks used >just to get the site up and running - before a proper review to ensure it >is >compliant. Last time I tried Opera it was not displaying nicely - lines >very >thick I think (but does not occur on IE or Moz) - I was just warning in >case >I got emails from anyone pointing out Opera may look strange. Rightly or >wrongly we get to checking Opera last - but it will displays correctly in >Opera before it's in production. > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 17:45 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards >more closely than the other browsers. > >David > > > > >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 - > > > >Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is >actually > >hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will >not > >connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. > > > >Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a >bit > >strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if >you > >can connect! > > > >H. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and >Mozilla. > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > > > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours > > >they felt would > > >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > > > > > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this > > >will not be > > >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely > > >usurped Microsoft > > >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen > > >development framework. > > > > > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions > > >were built in > > >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). > > >Decision was > > >based on struts reducing the development time AND main
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
If it looks ok in Opera, then it will look ok in the other browsers. Maybe you should test in Opera first ;-). David From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:54:45 - >> Opera suppports the w3c standards more closely than the other browsers. << That's probably the problem! No, seriously there are some dirty tricks used just to get the site up and running - before a proper review to ensure it is compliant. Last time I tried Opera it was not displaying nicely - lines very thick I think (but does not occur on IE or Moz) - I was just warning in case I got emails from anyone pointing out Opera may look strange. Rightly or wrongly we get to checking Opera last - but it will displays correctly in Opera before it's in production. H. -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 17:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards more closely than the other browsers. David >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 - > >Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is actually >hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will not >connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. > >Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a bit >strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if you >can connect! > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and Mozilla. > > >-Original Message- > >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours > >they felt would > >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > > > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this > >will not be > >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely > >usurped Microsoft > >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen > >development framework. > > > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions > >were built in > >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). > >Decision was > >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance > >overhead this > >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. > > > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time > >there will also > >be a section added on the website about the technology used and > >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate > >section will also > >be referenced on the development website giving the technical > >justification > >for why struts was chosen as the framework. > > > >H. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles > >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't > >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but > >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a > >> breeze. > >> > >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production > >> sites at: > >> > >> http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ > >> > >> ... the full production version will be released very soon. > > > >Aiii! My eyes! > > > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. > >Amazing what a > >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting > >the job done. > > > >> My personal view is (and
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
>> Opera suppports the w3c standards more closely than the other browsers. << That's probably the problem! No, seriously there are some dirty tricks used just to get the site up and running - before a proper review to ensure it is compliant. Last time I tried Opera it was not displaying nicely - lines very thick I think (but does not occur on IE or Moz) - I was just warning in case I got emails from anyone pointing out Opera may look strange. Rightly or wrongly we get to checking Opera last - but it will displays correctly in Opera before it's in production. H. -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 17:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards more closely than the other browsers. David >From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 - > >Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is actually >hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will not >connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. > >Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a bit >strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if you >can connect! > >H. > >-Original Message----- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and Mozilla. > > >-----Original Message- > >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours > >they felt would > >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > > > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this > >will not be > >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely > >usurped Microsoft > >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen > >development framework. > > > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions > >were built in > >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). > >Decision was > >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance > >overhead this > >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. > > > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time > >there will also > >be a section added on the website about the technology used and > >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate > >section will also > >be referenced on the development website giving the technical > >justification > >for why struts was chosen as the framework. > > > >H. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 > >To: Struts Users Mailing List > >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > > > > > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles > >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't > >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but > >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a > >> breeze. > >> > >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production > >> sites at: > >> > >>http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ > >> > >> ... the full production version will be released very soon. > > > >Aiii! My eyes! > > > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. > >Amazing what a > >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting > >the job done. > > > >> My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) - > >with tiles > >> available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be > >> really missing-out > >> by not using it - even for the simplest of sites. > > > >I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a > >college prof -- in > >my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 -
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
Why do you need special stuff for Opera? Opera suppports the w3c standards more closely than the other browsers. David From: "Hue Holleran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:34:29 - Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is actually hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will not connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a bit strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if you can connect! H. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and Mozilla. >-Original Message- >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours >they felt would >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this >will not be >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely >usurped Microsoft >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen >development framework. > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions >were built in >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). >Decision was >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance >overhead this >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time >there will also >be a section added on the website about the technology used and >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate >section will also >be referenced on the development website giving the technical >justification >for why struts was chosen as the framework. > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a >> breeze. >> >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production >> sites at: >> >> http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ >> >> ... the full production version will be released very soon. > >Aiii! My eyes! > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. >Amazing what a >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting >the job done. > >> My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) - >with tiles >> available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be >> really missing-out >> by not using it - even for the simplest of sites. > >I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a >college prof -- in >my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 - 12 pages >total, but I'm >using tiles for it because it makes life so much easier. >Without it I would >have an amalgamation of includes, and life would generally be much more >difficult. > >Tiles or death! > >-= J > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry to all who can't access - I've had a few emails! The site is actually hosted on a high port number that some firewalls/corporate proxies will not connect to. Once in production it will be on good ol' port 80. Also the mods for Opera have not been done yet - so Opera may display a bit strangely but again will be fine in production. IE and Moz are fine if you can connect! H. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 16:22 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and Mozilla. >-Original Message- >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours >they felt would >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this >will not be >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely >usurped Microsoft >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen >development framework. > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions >were built in >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). >Decision was >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance >overhead this >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time >there will also >be a section added on the website about the technology used and >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate >section will also >be referenced on the development website giving the technical >justification >for why struts was chosen as the framework. > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a >> breeze. >> >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production >> sites at: >> >> http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ >> >> ... the full production version will be released very soon. > >Aiii! My eyes! > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. >Amazing what a >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting >the job done. > >> My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) - >with tiles >> available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be >> really missing-out >> by not using it - even for the simplest of sites. > >I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a >college prof -- in >my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 - 12 pages >total, but I'm >using tiles for it because it makes life so much easier. >Without it I would >have an amalgamation of includes, and life would generally be much more >difficult. > >Tiles or death! > >-= J > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
I can't get the site to display at all, and i've tried both IE and Mozilla. >-Original Message- >From: Hue Holleran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:20 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: [OT] RE: Sell me on tiles > > >Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours >they felt would >be eye-catching (damaging) (!) > >You should all feel great as struts developers - although this >will not be >surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely >usurped Microsoft >ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen >development framework. > >Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions >were built in >both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). >Decision was >based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance >overhead this >would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. > >Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time >there will also >be a section added on the website about the technology used and >acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate >section will also >be referenced on the development website giving the technical >justification >for why struts was chosen as the framework. > >H. > >-Original Message- >From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > > >> I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles >> was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't >> misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but >> the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a >> breeze. >> >> There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production >> sites at: >> >> http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ >> >> ... the full production version will be released very soon. > >Aiii! My eyes! > >Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. >Amazing what a >well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting >the job done. > >> My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) - >with tiles >> available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be >> really missing-out >> by not using it - even for the simplest of sites. > >I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a >college prof -- in >my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 - 12 pages >total, but I'm >using tiles for it because it makes life so much easier. >Without it I would >have an amalgamation of includes, and life would generally be much more >difficult. > >Tiles or death! > >-= J > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: Sell me on tiles
Choice of colours was the customer's - they picked colours they felt would be eye-catching (damaging) (!) You should all feel great as struts developers - although this will not be surprising to the initiated - to know you've completely usurped Microsoft ASP and the shiny new Microsoft ASP.NET as the chosen development framework. Not a decision that was taken lightly - functioning versions were built in both ASP and ASP.NET (and in vanilla JSP and initially PHP). Decision was based on struts reducing the development time AND maintenance overhead this would entail in the future. Struts was a CLEAR winner. Once this site is in full production use in a few weeks time there will also be a section added on the website about the technology used and acknowledging the use of the struts framework. A separate section will also be referenced on the development website giving the technical justification for why struts was chosen as the framework. H. -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 February 2003 15:41 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Sell me on tiles > I appreciate you've had lots of replies already - but tiles > was the "killer" feature for us in selecting struts. Please don't > misunderstand that struts isn't great anyway - we love it - but > the addition of tiles has made developing complex websites a > breeze. > > There is a very outdated "first-cut" of one of our production > sites at: > > http://www.mortgagesurgery.com/ > > ... the full production version will be released very soon. Aiii! My eyes! Seriously, good job. We're glad that Struts could be helpful. Amazing what a well designed framework will do for your enthusiasm in getting the job done. > My personal view is (and I'm sure someone will disagree!) - with tiles > available and so well-integrated into struts - you'd be > really missing-out > by not using it - even for the simplest of sites. I sure don't disagree. I'm doing a site for my wife -- a college prof -- in my spare time. It's a very simple site, maybe 10 - 12 pages total, but I'm using tiles for it because it makes life so much easier. Without it I would have an amalgamation of includes, and life would generally be much more difficult. Tiles or death! -= J - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
