Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the problem with just using the WAS development license that was installed with it? Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were faced with this problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which created a development environment like you describe with Tomcat. Perhaps you should have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. Mark snip Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
The test server in WSAD is not a full version of WAS. It does not handle db connections and some aspects of EJBs very well, not to mention that it is single server, so there is no way to test multi-server code. All told, don't rely on the quasi-WAS in WSAD ... get a real version of WAS or an open source/free application server instead. Simon -Original Message- From: Gerhard Poul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the problem with just using the WAS development license that was installed with it? Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were faced with this problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which created a development environment like you describe with Tomcat. Perhaps you should have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. Mark snip Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Hi, I am working on websphere on AS400, and so cannot have each developer a seperate test enviornment, Although we develop all the code on NT, test it and put it on AS400, bt there is some code which works on AS400 only, but anyway, we come to a conclusion that, only one developer works with this part which is AS400 specific along with other development and others will work on NT, and we wrote some classes which help us in working on both envoirments.. Ashish --- Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The test server in WSAD is not a full version of WAS. It does not handle db connections and some aspects of EJBs very well, not to mention that it is single server, so there is no way to test multi-server code. All told, don't rely on the quasi-WAS in WSAD ... get a real version of WAS or an open source/free application server instead. Simon -Original Message- From: Gerhard Poul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development If you have WSAD on your workstation where is the problem with just using the WAS development license that was installed with it? Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:42 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I don't know how IBM licenses WebSphere, but when we were faced with this problem we decided to go with BEA's WebLogic because BEA gave us great discounts for instances running on our own workstations, which created a development environment like you describe with Tomcat. Perhaps you should have shopped around before chaining yourselves to Big Blue? If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to us from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has frost on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides that once you're using WAS, you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're going to lock down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on there to use instead. Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at home, it will not be required at the office. Mark snip Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = A$HI$H __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Hi, James, okay, I will tell I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot do with product development that way. You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through port 80 and servlets. As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason Hunter provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. Are we on the same wave length? Micael At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Do tell! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do everything through port 80 that you want to do. At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port 80 and 21 only If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get home before I can get anything really important done. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Tony Baity [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop Then freedom is just around the corner. In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower prices before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are routed through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java and current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start development or work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied products later. I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop around. In fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did the first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files at work through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an Oracle schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) -Tony Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You read into it what you will, but the topic was software innovation in corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends you, perhaps you take yourself too seriously. Mark -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts designated [OT]. David From: Mark Galbreath Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500 That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you lose innovation. American innovation have been so great over the centuries because business owners realized the value in RD and being the first to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and profits from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin, interchangeable parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software. What Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by short-sighted people interested more often than not with their immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a theoretical policy. Even a fascist
RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
I use windows' mstsc to access other computers, it's the best (and of course native) solution there is out there for remote computing. ATTT labs has another slim line product that does the same as PCAnyWhere but there's a java applet client for it, of course there's also one available for PCAnywhere which I used to use before mstsc. -Bocaj | -Original Message- | From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:35 PM | To: Struts Users Mailing List | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server | (port | 21) and controlling that one from here | | I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at | home, | I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | | Hi, James, okay, I will tell | | I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute | scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you | cannot | do with product development that way. | | You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through | port | 80 and servlets. | | As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two | servlets | talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never | appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in | computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not | completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason | Hunter | provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. | | Are we on the same wave length? | | Micael | | At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | Do tell! | | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | |If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can | do |everything through port 80 that you want to do. | |At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge | like | environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing | proprietary | development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with | corporate | resources. :) | | |Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives | you | port |80 and 21 only | |If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait | till | I | get |home before I can get anything really important done. | |-- |James Mitchell | | | | | |- Original Message - |From: Tony Baity [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM |Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for |development | | | | For those folks that have a little extra personal time to | spare... | and | a |laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your | laptop |Then freedom is just around the corner. | In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly | controlled |environment where the developers had to wait months while upper | management |tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower | prices |before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I |understand the choking affect of code development decisions that | are | routed |through the accounting department and upper management. But with | Java | and |current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start | development | or |work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor | supplied |products later. | I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop | around. In |fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I | did | the |first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files | at | work |through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an | Oracle |schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing) | Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge | like |environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing | proprietary |development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with | corporate |resources. :) | -Tony | | | | | Mark
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Oh yeah, I saw you a few months back at the AJUG meeting that Chuck presented. I wanted to say hey, but you disappeared before I could catch you. I could hardly believe what Mark Fleury did halfway through the Beer4All presentationLOL. Yes, I'm running Win2k Advanced Server at home, but have not looked into Terminal Services, maybe I'll do that tonight. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Yes. If you are using windows XP or 2000 I HIGHLY reccommend terminal services. It is fantastic. It is a lot like pcanywhere in the fact that you can remotely use the machine as if you were there. And I have mine configured to work through my firewall at home. You just have to open up that port 39xx or something like that. I have it locked down to a few external IPs also. Your home firewall/router should have a configuration section (filter) for all inbound/outbound traffic. I have a DLink 614 and it works great. Don't use SSH. Use terminal services. I use SSH when I have to (to go to my unix servers at work). I use terminal services for all Wintel work. Home and business. BTW James, this is Michael Lee, I worked with you at Netvendor. I live by you in Suwanee remember? We talked about kicking some PC games sometime? If you want you can email me and I'll call you and can help you out over the phone. Mike - Original Message - From: James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server (port 21) and controlling that one from here I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at home, I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development Hi, James, okay, I will tell I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you cannot do with product development that way. You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through port 80 and servlets. As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason Hunter provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. Are we on the same wave length? Micael At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Do tell! -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can do everything through port 80 that you want to do. At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing proprietary development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with corporate resources. :) Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives you port 80 and 21 only If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait till I get home before I can get anything really important done. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Tony Baity [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare... and a laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your laptop Then freedom is just around the corner. In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled environment where the developers had to wait months while upper management tried
Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development
Not sure if you are referring to VNC??? I use that all day longhome and here. Being surrounded by idiots takes a toll on my stress level.I feel more like I'm tech support than a developerJames, why can't I copy this Excel sheet into PowerPoint?.James, what is ODBC and how can I get one?James, why is Mark Galbreath such a meany to me?.LOL...just kidding on the last one. I use VNC (for the Machines I have control over) and NetMeeting for the ones I don't. -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Jacob Hookom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development I use windows' mstsc to access other computers, it's the best (and of course native) solution there is out there for remote computing. ATTT labs has another slim line product that does the same as PCAnyWhere but there's a java applet client for it, of course there's also one available for PCAnywhere which I used to use before mstsc. -Bocaj | -Original Message- | From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:35 PM | To: Struts Users Mailing List | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | oh.well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server | (port | 21) and controlling that one from here | | I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at | home, | I cannot do that anymore.any more suggestions? | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | | Hi, James, okay, I will tell | | I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute | scripts on a target machine over the web. There isn't anything you | cannot | do with product development that way. | | You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through | port | 80 and servlets. | | As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two | servlets | talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never | appears. This, I assume, is fairly normal. I am sort of self taught in | computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not | completely aware of what is normal and what is not. Certainly Jason | Hunter | provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets. | | Are we on the same wave length? | | Micael | | At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | Do tell! | | | -- | James Mitchell | | | | | | - Original Message - | From: Micael [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM | Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for | development | | |If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can | do |everything through port 80 that you want to do. | |At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote: | Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge | like | environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing | proprietary | development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with | corporate | resources. :) | | |Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives | you | port |80 and 21 only | |If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause. I hate having to wait | till | I | get |home before I can get anything really important done. | |-- |James Mitchell | | | | | |- Original Message - |From: Tony Baity [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM |Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for |development | | | | For those folks that have a little extra personal time to | spare... | and | a |laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your | laptop |Then freedom is just around the corner. | In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly | controlled |environment where the developers had to wait months while upper | management |tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower | prices |before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I |understand the choking affect of code development decisions that | are | routed |through the accounting department and upper management. But with | Java | and |current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start | development | or |work from home using open source and migrate over to
