RE: JSTL Book

2003-07-11 Thread Mark Galbreath
Just tryin' to keep the conversation lively  ;-)

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But I can see that Mark's in Friday mode already, so it's time to go back to
not paying attention to his remarks.

Craig



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JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Mike Duffy
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good JSTL book?

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Re: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Craig R. McClanahan


On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mike Duffy wrote:

 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
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 Does anyone have a recommendation for a good JSTL book?

I like Shawn Bayern's book about it (JSTL in Action).  Shawn did a lot of
the heavy lifting on the implementation (the standard taglib in Jakarta
Taglibs), so he definitely knows what he's talking about.

Craig

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RE: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Mark Galbreath
Craig's recommendation notwithstanding, I think the best JSTL book on the
market right now is David Geary's Core JSTL: Mastering the JSP Standard Tag
Library, (Sun/Prentice-Hall 2003).  It is a really good read and has plenty
of concrete examples.  And keep in mind that Craig doesn't always recommend
the BEST book, but the book his friends have written.

Mark

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mike Duffy wrote:

 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
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 Subject: JSTL Book

 Does anyone have a recommendation for a good JSTL book?

I like Shawn Bayern's book about it (JSTL in Action).  Shawn did a lot of
the heavy lifting on the implementation (the standard taglib in Jakarta
Taglibs), so he definitely knows what he's talking about.

Craig

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RE: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Craig R. McClanahan


On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mark Galbreath wrote:

 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:14:27 -0400
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 Subject: RE: JSTL Book

 Craig's recommendation notwithstanding, I think the best JSTL book on the
 market right now is David Geary's Core JSTL: Mastering the JSP Standard Tag
 Library, (Sun/Prentice-Hall 2003).  It is a really good read and has plenty
 of concrete examples.  And keep in mind that Craig doesn't always recommend
 the BEST book, but the book his friends have written.


As it happens, I haven't read David's book on JSTL.  I don't doubt (based
on past results) that he did an excellent job as well -- I just cannot
speak about it from personal experience at this point.

Any belief that there is one single best book on any topic, that is the
best for all users in all circumstances, would seem to me to be a little
naive though.  That's why I answered I liked ... instead of the best
book is ... and I won't try to tell you which one is best.  I also won't
recommend a book that I *haven't* read yet.

But I can see that Mark's in Friday mode already, so it's time to go back
to not paying attention to his remarks.

 Mark

Craig

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Re: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Kris Schneider
Keep in mind that I only recommend books that Craig has already 
recommended. So, with that out of the way, I'd also recommend Shawn's 
book. One of the reasons I spent my money on it was that Shawn was very 
active on the taglibs-user list and it wasn't just to say, Hey, if 
you'd only buy my book, you'd have your answer. He obviously knew his 
stuff and gave generously of his time. One other thing to consider is 
that Manning offers PDF versions of many of their books for something 
like $25. I haven't looked at David's book yet (maybe after Craig says 
it's okay), so I can't say if I prefer one over the other.

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mark Galbreath wrote:


Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:14:27 -0400
From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: JSTL Book
Craig's recommendation notwithstanding, I think the best JSTL book on the
market right now is David Geary's Core JSTL: Mastering the JSP Standard Tag
Library, (Sun/Prentice-Hall 2003).  It is a really good read and has plenty
of concrete examples.  And keep in mind that Craig doesn't always recommend
the BEST book, but the book his friends have written.


As it happens, I haven't read David's book on JSTL.  I don't doubt (based
on past results) that he did an excellent job as well -- I just cannot
speak about it from personal experience at this point.
Any belief that there is one single best book on any topic, that is the
best for all users in all circumstances, would seem to me to be a little
naive though.  That's why I answered I liked ... instead of the best
book is ... and I won't try to tell you which one is best.  I also won't
recommend a book that I *haven't* read yet.
But I can see that Mark's in Friday mode already, so it's time to go back
to not paying attention to his remarks.

Mark


Craig
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Re: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Martin Cooper
I enjoyed Shawn's book a great deal. The writing style makes the book fun to
read, and it really is very well written, too. I learned a lot reading it.

Disclaimers:
1) I did the tech proof of this book, so I had to read it in great detail,
but it was still fun. ;-)
2) I haven't actually read any other JSTL books. (I haven't felt a need to.)

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Martin Cooper


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Re: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread David Geary
On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 17:14 America/Denver, Mark Galbreath 
wrote:

Craig's recommendation notwithstanding, I think the best JSTL book on 
the
market right now is David Geary's Core JSTL: Mastering the JSP 
Standard Tag
Library, (Sun/Prentice-Hall 2003).  It is a really good read and has 
plenty
of concrete examples.
Thanks Mark. I must say Shawn's book is very good, as is Han Bergsten's 
JSP book, which has thorough coverage of JSTL. Shawn and Hans are both 
nice guys and sharp as razors.

I haven't read JSTL KickStart or Sue Spielman's book, which is coming 
out soon.

If you want more information about Core JSTL, see www.core-jstl.com.

If you're interested in JavaServer Faces, see www.corejsf.com. Core JSF 
is in the making!

And keep in mind that Craig doesn't always recommend
the BEST book, but the book his friends have written.
I'd like to think Craig is my friend.  8-]

david


Mark

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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:43 PM
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mike Duffy wrote:

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: JSTL Book
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good JSTL book?
I like Shawn Bayern's book about it (JSTL in Action).  Shawn did a lot 
of
the heavy lifting on the implementation (the standard taglib in 
Jakarta
Taglibs), so he definitely knows what he's talking about.

Craig

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Re: JSTL Book

2003-07-10 Thread Craig R. McClanahan


On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, David Geary wrote:


  And keep in mind that Craig doesn't always recommend
  the BEST book, but the book his friends have written.

 I'd like to think Craig is my friend.  8-]


Definitely ... and I like to think it works in the the reverse direction
as well :-).

 david

Craig

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