RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Casey Forbes]

A Resin license costs $500 (not $1500)


On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, micael wrote:

> I am building an application with JBoss and Tomcat that I intend to give
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Ian Vellosa]

how much does it cost to hire a consultant for a day? That is where the big
money goes when projects are happening, people.

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I am building an application with JBoss and Tomcat that I intend to give
away.  That makes $1,500 serious money.

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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[David Graham]

Obviously $1500 is a lot to you and me but compare that to about $15,000 for 
something like Websphere.  Pretty cheap huh?  $1500 doesn't even make the 
radar at a corporation (basically free).

Dave


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>I am building an application with JBoss and Tomcat that I intend to give 
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>At 04:02 PM 10/8/2002 -0700, you wrote:
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[micael]

I am building an application with JBoss and Tomcat that I intend to give 
away.  That makes $1,500 serious money.

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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Joe Barefoot]

Wow, thanks for the links.  One very crucial bit of information missing in these 
benchmarks (unless my spectacles mislead me) is that there is no mention of JSP 
compilation.  This leads me to assume that each page was hit first on the respective 
containers to compile the JSPs, then the benchmark tests conducted.  The problem I 
have with this is that you are really testing two things:  How 'smart' the particular 
JSP compiler is, and how well the container services requests.

With that in mind, the Jasper2 JSP compiler available with Tomcat 4.1.x offers 
optimizations in the generated code that purportedly increase page response by 400% or 
better.  I've observed with my own peepers that it is several times faster, though I 
have no BS (cough, I mean, 'benchmarks') to offer.

So maybe the article should be retitled:  "Was Tomcat Crap?"
If you've looked at the code the original Jasper generates, you might be inclined to 
say 'yes'.


Also:  "Lies!  Damned lies, and statistics!"  :)


My .02



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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> theserverside.com hosted a pretty lively thread on exactly 
> this debate late
> last May. It started when Mike Cannon-Brookes posted an 
> article "Is Tomcat
> Crap?" that featured performance benchmarks like:
> 
> "First, here's some raw performance statistics to consider:
>   Orion 1.5.3: 0.045s (45 milliseconds) - 444 pages/sec - 
> 1.6 million/hour
>   Resin 2.0.4: 0.065s (65 milliseconds) - 307 pages/sec - 
> 1.1 million/hour
>   Weblogic 6.1: 1.15s (1,150 milliseconds) - 17.4 
> pages/sec - 62,640/hour
>   Tomcat 4.0.1: 3.3s (3,300 milliseconds) - 6 pages/sec - 
> 21,600/hour"
> 
>  - statistics quoted from "Is Tomcat Crap?",
> 
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html
> 
> Following this one of the liveliest discussions on this topic 
> I that I remember happened. Here's the link to the discussion:
> 
>  http://www2.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=13749
> 
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:25 PM
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> > > Subject: RE: [OT] Container Wars
> > >
> > >
> > > I know you have been using Resin for a while, Mark.  My
> > > understanding is
> > > that it has some limitations, other than the cost.  Doesn't
> > > it have limited
> > > use of taglibs or something like that?  What is the downside,
> > > other than
> > > the cost?
> >
> > I've been using Resin for about 2-1/2 years now, and am 
> very happy with
> it.
> > The latest version has all sorts of goodies in it, my 
> current favourite
> > being a built-in fast implementation of JSTL. I haven't run into any
> > limitations from Resin itself, although I've run into the 
> "too many tags
> on
> > a page" limit, which is actually a JVM limitation that 
> you'll run into on
> > almost all containers. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?
> >
> > I don't consider cost a downside. Sure, Tomcat is free, but 
> $1500 (last
> time
> > I looked - we've already licensed it) isn't much to pay, 
> for all that you
> > get with Resin.
> >
> 
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Kevin . Bedell]

theserverside.com hosted a pretty lively thread on exactly this debate late
last May. It started when Mike Cannon-Brookes posted an article "Is Tomcat
Crap?" that featured performance benchmarks like:

"First, here's some raw performance statistics to consider:
  Orion 1.5.3: 0.045s (45 milliseconds) - 444 pages/sec - 1.6 million/hour
  Resin 2.0.4: 0.065s (65 milliseconds) - 307 pages/sec - 1.1 million/hour
  Weblogic 6.1: 1.15s (1,150 milliseconds) - 17.4 pages/sec - 62,640/hour
  Tomcat 4.0.1: 3.3s (3,300 milliseconds) - 6 pages/sec - 21,600/hour"

 - statistics quoted from "Is Tomcat Crap?",
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html

Following this one of the liveliest discussions on this topic I that I remember 
happened. Here's the link to the discussion:

 http://www2.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=13749


Kevin




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> > From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:25 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [OT] Container Wars
> >
> >
> > I know you have been using Resin for a while, Mark.  My
> > understanding is
> > that it has some limitations, other than the cost.  Doesn't
> > it have limited
> > use of taglibs or something like that?  What is the downside,
> > other than
> > the cost?
>
> I've been using Resin for about 2-1/2 years now, and am very happy with
it.
> The latest version has all sorts of goodies in it, my current favourite
> being a built-in fast implementation of JSTL. I haven't run into any
> limitations from Resin itself, although I've run into the "too many tags
on
> a page" limit, which is actually a JVM limitation that you'll run into on
> almost all containers. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?
>
> I don't consider cost a downside. Sure, Tomcat is free, but $1500 (last
time
> I looked - we've already licensed it) isn't much to pay, for all that you
> get with Resin.
>



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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Martin Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:25 PM
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> Subject: RE: [OT] Container Wars
> 
> 
> I know you have been using Resin for a while, Mark.  My 
> understanding is 
> that it has some limitations, other than the cost.  Doesn't 
> it have limited 
> use of taglibs or something like that?  What is the downside, 
> other than 
> the cost?

I've been using Resin for about 2-1/2 years now, and am very happy with it.
The latest version has all sorts of goodies in it, my current favourite
being a built-in fast implementation of JSTL. I haven't run into any
limitations from Resin itself, although I've run into the "too many tags on
a page" limit, which is actually a JVM limitation that you'll run into on
almost all containers. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?

I don't consider cost a downside. Sure, Tomcat is free, but $1500 (last time
I looked - we've already licensed it) isn't much to pay, for all that you
get with Resin.

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> >Andrew Hill wrote:
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Galbreath, Mark]

None.

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I know you have been using Resin for a while, Mark.  My understanding is 
that it has some limitations, other than the cost.  Doesn't it have limited 
use of taglibs or something like that?  What is the downside, other than 
the cost?

At 06:44 AM 10/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Resin is much better than Tomcat.
>
>Andrew Hill wrote:
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would
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[micael]

I know you have been using Resin for a while, Mark.  My understanding is 
that it has some limitations, other than the cost.  Doesn't it have limited 
use of taglibs or something like that?  What is the downside, other than 
the cost?

At 06:44 AM 10/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Resin is much better than Tomcat.
>
>Andrew Hill wrote:
>
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> >be my choice if I was dictator for life ;->))
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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Joe Barefoot]

Yep yep, I agree, people do chase those picoseconds sometimes. ;)  In this case, there 
really is a performance issue to be addressed with high-volume sites regarding EJB 
calls.  Apparently the creators of the EJB 1.1 spec didn't think about that when they 
were locked behind closed doors and throwing specifications out through the mail slot. 
:)

peace,
Joe


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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe - Thanks for explaining. I've seen so many people make 
> decisions based
> on 'potential' performance problems that never occur that I 
> always question
> the need. Sometimes there's really a difference, other times it's just
> "running from ghosts"!
> 
> I appreciate your insight -
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> > > Why is having an internal connector better than simply
> > > creating a JNDI/
> > > initial context on your own?
> >
> > > Because w/ the internal connector, all EJB calls are 
> in-VM.  With a
> created JNDI context, all EJB calls go on the
> > > network call stack unless you are using EJB 2.0 local 
> interfaces AFAIK.
> >
> > >Is the speed that much better?
> >
> > yes.  esp. on windows machines where the network call stack
> implementation is not so speedy.
> >
> > >It's not
> > > really too hard to simple set your jndi.properties directly
> > > and connect
> > > that way.
> > > Not trying to put your decision down, just wondering if I've
> > > missed something...
> > >
> > > Seems like choosing the best container would outweigh this
> > > connectivity
> > > issue...
> >
> > Not if choosing the "best" container results in a 
> substantially slower
> applicationwhich is very possible when
> > the EJB calls start "bottle-necking" on the call stack during high
> traffic...with low traffic, you probably
> > wouldn't  notice a difference.
> 
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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Kevin . Bedell]

Joe - Thanks for explaining. I've seen so many people make decisions based
on 'potential' performance problems that never occur that I always question
the need. Sometimes there's really a difference, other times it's just
"running from ghosts"!

I appreciate your insight -

Kevin



> > Why is having an internal connector better than simply
> > creating a JNDI/
> > initial context on your own?
>
> > Because w/ the internal connector, all EJB calls are in-VM.  With a
created JNDI context, all EJB calls go on the
> > network call stack unless you are using EJB 2.0 local interfaces AFAIK.
>
> >Is the speed that much better?
>
> yes.  esp. on windows machines where the network call stack
implementation is not so speedy.
>
> >It's not
> > really too hard to simple set your jndi.properties directly
> > and connect
> > that way.
> > Not trying to put your decision down, just wondering if I've
> > missed something...
> >
> > Seems like choosing the best container would outweigh this
> > connectivity
> > issue...
>
> Not if choosing the "best" container results in a substantially slower
applicationwhich is very possible when
> the EJB calls start "bottle-necking" on the call stack during high
traffic...with low traffic, you probably
> wouldn't  notice a difference.

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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Joe Barefoot]

> Why is having an internal connector better than simply 
> creating a JNDI/
> initial context on your own? 

Because w/ the internal connector, all EJB calls are in-VM.  With a created JNDI 
context, all EJB calls go on the network call stack unless you are using EJB 2.0 local 
interfaces AFAIK.

>Is the speed that much better?  

yes.  esp. on windows machines where the network call stack implementation is not so 
speedy.

>It's not
> really too hard to simple set your jndi.properties directly 
> and connect
> that way. 
> Not trying to put your decision down, just wondering if I've
> missed something...
> 
> Seems like choosing the best container would outweigh this 
> connectivity
> issue...

Not if choosing the "best" container results in a substantially slower 
applicationwhich is very possible when the EJB calls start "bottle-necking" on the 
call stack during high traffic...with low traffic, you probably wouldn't notice a 
difference.

> 
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> >change things.
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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Joe Barefoot]

Why would this option exist in the first place?  It should automatically do 
URL-rewriting if per-session cookies are disabled by the client browser.

--joe

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> 
> have you tried...
> 
> 
> this enables Resin to track the session in the URL
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> When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems 
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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Kevin . Bedell]

Why is having an internal connector better than simply creating a JNDI/
initial context on your own? Is the speed that much better?  It's not
really too hard to simple set your jndi.properties directly and connect
that way. Not trying to put your decision down, just wondering if I've
missed something...

Seems like choosing the best container would outweigh this connectivity
issue...








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>We are going live with JBoss/Tomcat because of the internal
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I second that.. :)

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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Jeff_Mychasiw]

Some how I assume that you did not need to configure each webapp in the
conf file. (I guess I am just lazy).

Anyway I noticed that the  default web app had the session settings so I
just  copied the default web app and named it to our app.

This worked and it does appear faster than even tomcat 4.1.12 (using the
netscape browser timer).

The interesting thing is that Resin found a stray  in my html
and it gave a fairly readable error as well.
Tomcat has not complained about it.

If it will auto copile my java classes as it states, I think I may continue
developing with Resin.

We are going live with JBoss/Tomcat because of the internal connectors.  If
a JBoss connector existed for Resin that my change things.

Thanks for the help.




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have you tried...


this enables Resin to track the session in the URL

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We are using tomcat 4.04 and have tried 4.1.12 with out problems.
When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems that it does
not keep the session.
(I can login, place a user bean in session then the next action looks for
that bean and when null, kicks us of the app)
I have not looked any deeper but I guess I expected it to deploy the same
way it does in Tomcat.






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>Should JRun be used for large projects?
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>> No way, dude!  Jetty sucks!
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>> Resin is much better than Tomcat.
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Re: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

[Will Jaynes]

I have tomcat and resin using the same webapps directory, and I can run 
my apps using either container. There's no problem with sessions that I 
experience.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems that it does
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> that bean and when null, kicks us of the app)
> I have not looked any deeper but I guess I expected it to deploy the same
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Andrew Hill]

Hehe, I know which of those two we use and it ain't JRun. ;-)

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At one of the companies I worked for in the past we used JRun 3 for
development, then tried to run our applications on WebLogic for deployment.
One of them things to prove that the application truely is J2EE and
portable. It worked ok on JRun, but then the number of things that needed to
be changed to get it to work on WebLogic were unreal! So much for portable
code. I admit WebLogic has lots of WebLogicified J2EE features too, but
nowhere near as many as JRun had. JRun definately was a Servlet engine
trying to be all things to J2EE, and failing! Version 4 might be better, but
bad experiances have scared me off for good!

It is one of them things were money does the talking. JRun have paid to
lisence the J2EE technology and can plaseter the logo all over their
product, while JBoss dosen't and can't. I know which one I think is nearer
the spec.

But then this is just me ranting and raving like the mad man I am!



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>
> I like tomcat, but it is my understanding that the JSP compiler still
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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

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Doesnt it handle cookies properly too? Thought that was required by servlet
spec?
(I havent used resin, so curious as to how it stacks up agaisnt the
competition)

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have you tried...


this enables Resin to track the session in the URL

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We are using tomcat 4.04 and have tried 4.1.12 with out problems.
When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems that it does
not keep the session.
(I can login, place a user bean in session then the next action looks for
that bean and when null, kicks us of the app)
I have not looked any deeper but I guess I expected it to deploy the same
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>> No way, dude!  Jetty sucks!
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>> Resin is much better than Tomcat.
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At one of the companies I worked for in the past we used JRun 3 for development, then 
tried to run our applications on WebLogic for deployment. One of them things to prove 
that the application truely is J2EE and portable. It worked ok on JRun, but then the 
number of things that needed to be changed to get it to work on WebLogic were unreal! 
So much for portable code. I admit WebLogic has lots of WebLogicified J2EE features 
too, but nowhere near as many as JRun had. JRun definately was a Servlet engine trying 
to be all things to J2EE, and failing! Version 4 might be better, but bad experiances 
have scared me off for good! 

It is one of them things were money does the talking. JRun have paid to lisence the 
J2EE technology and can plaseter the logo all over their product, while JBoss dosen't 
and can't. I know which one I think is nearer the spec. 

But then this is just me ranting and raving like the mad man I am!



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> Have you used JRun 4, it is stable and quite fast.
> 
> I like tomcat, but it is my understanding that the JSP compiler still leaks
> memory.  I don't like to have to worry about precompiling my jsp pages.
> 
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have you tried...


this enables Resin to track the session in the URL

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When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems that it does
not keep the session.
(I can login, place a user bean in session then the next action looks for
that bean and when null, kicks us of the app)
I have not looked any deeper but I guess I expected it to deploy the same
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>> No way, dude!  Jetty sucks!
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>> Resin is much better than Tomcat.
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RE: [OT] Container Wars

[Darren Hill]

I've been using JBoss 3.x / Jetty for a while now.  No complaints.  Should I
be worried about something?

D.

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Have you used JRun 4, it is stable and quite fast.

I like tomcat, but it is my understanding that the JSP compiler still leaks
memory.  I don't like to have to worry about precompiling my jsp pages.

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Should JRun be used at all?

IMHO, NO, NO, NO! 



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RE: [OT] Container Wars - Resin and sessions

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We are using tomcat 4.04 and have tried 4.1.12 with out problems.
When I drop my working Struts app into Resin 2.1.5 it seems that it does
not keep the session.
(I can login, place a user bean in session then the next action looks for
that bean and when null, kicks us of the app)
I have not looked any deeper but I guess I expected it to deploy the same
way it does in Tomcat.






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Resin is much better than Tomcat.

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