Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
Andrew Hill wrote: snip/ IMHO you would be better served spending your time providing support for the lynx browser... LOL - ROFL ... Andrew, you made my night with that one!! I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just saying I nearly busted a gut! (*) Possible underexageration. The real figure is closer to 6. -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
Gemes Tibor wrote: Konqueror ... doesn't. I'm sorry - I run KDE, but there's a *reason* I Since version 3.0 it's OK imho. Sorry to say - it's 3.0.0-12 I'm running :-/ and it seems deficient to me. I can do all things, unhindered in Mozilla, whereas there were some sites which flat did not work under Konqueror. I can't remember now which specific funcational areas I found lacking. I'll have to look again when I get a chance so I can be more conversant about it. Sorry :-) but I respectfully disagree. Tib -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry to say - it's 3.0.0-12 I'm running :-/ and it seems deficient to me. I can do all things, unhindered in Mozilla, whereas there were some sites which flat did not work under Konqueror. I can't remember now which specific funcational areas I found lacking. I'll have to look again when I get a chance so I can be more conversant about it. I use both mozilla and konqueror for development, and if a page works on these two, I have to test almost none on the other browsers. There are few sites that do not work with konqueror. But it renders a far better looking page if it is able to display it. This is the most important reason why I use it. Tib -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gemes Tibor wrote: Sorry to say - it's 3.0.0-12 I'm running :-/ and it seems deficient to me. I can do all things, unhindered in Mozilla, whereas there were some sites which flat did not work under Konqueror. I can't remember now which specific funcational areas I found lacking. I'll have to look again when I get a chance so I can be more conversant about it. I use both mozilla and konqueror for development, and if a page works on these two, I have to test almost none on the other browsers. There are few sites that do not work with konqueror. But it renders a far better looking page if it is able to display it. This is the most important reason why I use it. Huh - whataya know. Ok - well, I'll play with it then. You've peaked my curiosity. I'll toy with it. Which browsers do you build against? ... and what functional areas do you find you still have to test in other browsers? I haven't even considered it something worthy of my time to use - but, if you are correct, I am very mistaken. Thanks for the tip :-) I'll give it another try. It's conceivable the sites I hit with it just weren't up-to-par. Tib -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2002. október 14. 16:31 dátummal Eddie Bush ezt írtad: Which browsers do you build against? ... and what functional areas do you find you still have to test in other browsers? I haven't even I meant IE. Actually unlike most webdevelopers I know I do not use IE during the devel period. considered it something worthy of my time to use - but, if you are correct, I am very mistaken. Nope, you're right. I am forced to use some nasty dhtml scripting which I would avoid if I could. On every release time I have reboot, test with IE, just run through NS and opera, but I dislike the last 2 as a matter of fact. Thanks for the tip :-) I'll give it another try. It's conceivable the sites I hit with it just weren't up-to-par. Actually the milosic.com menu does not work w/ konqueror, the www.mattkruse.com dhtml calendar popup does not work w/ konqueror etc etc But it was far worse before the version 3.0 Tib -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gemes Tibor wrote: 2002. október 14. 16:31 dátummal Eddie Bush ezt írtad: Which browsers do you build against? ... and what functional areas do you find you still have to test in other browsers? I haven't even I meant IE. Actually unlike most webdevelopers I know I do not use IE during the devel period. I typically make it work in Mozilla and go from there :-) I should probably use something else during dvel though, as Mozilla and I agree a lot better on how things should work than do NS/IE/Etc. I've not seen Mozilla fail to render a page that rendered well in the others, but I *have* seen the others fail to render a page that rendered well in Mozilla. considered it something worthy of my time to use - but, if you are correct, I am very mistaken. Nope, you're right. I am forced to use some nasty dhtml scripting which I would avoid if I could. On every release time I have reboot, test with IE, just run through NS and opera, but I dislike the last 2 as a matter of fact. Well I have no good reason for not testing more on IE - I've got a Linux/Windows workstation configured on a KVM switch - just double-tap the Ctl key and I'm looking at Windoze. That machine doesn't get started up much though ;-) Thanks for the tip :-) I'll give it another try. It's conceivable the sites I hit with it just weren't up-to-par. Actually the milosic.com menu does not work w/ konqueror, the www.mattkruse.com dhtml calendar popup does not work w/ konqueror etc etc Ah ok - that's probably what my problems came from. But it was far worse before the version 3.0 I don't think I tried it before :-) Tib Ok - well, thanks for the info :-) I'll keep an eye on it as a possible second test under Linux. Maybe I'll eventually get to where I don't have to fire up Windoze at all! ;-) A lot of things come down to structural layout though - so I'll see how handy I find it for that. -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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GUI is my main focus, and Id have to agree on dhtml being a real time consumer! The other day I had to do a fancy widget thing that involves being able to re-order a tables rows (and submit the new order). Took about an hour to get working nicely in IE. Spent the rest of the day coming up with a version that would work in Mozilla (and not break the IE compatibility) - and I only had to make it work in IE NS6/Mozilla. If you also plan on supporting other browsers, (Konqeror, Opera, NS4.x, etc) - which is a must for public sites, then be prepared to set aside quite a lot of time. -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 23:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
Konqueror ... doesn't. I'm sorry - I run KDE, but there's a *reason* I don't use Konqueror - it sucks. Maybe it will one day be better, but this is not that day :-) Anyone using that over Mozilla deserves what they get IMHO (they have the option - it's not like it's the only thing available to them). Andrew Hill wrote: GUI is my main focus, and Id have to agree on dhtml being a real time consumer! The other day I had to do a fancy widget thing that involves being able to re-order a tables rows (and submit the new order). Took about an hour to get working nicely in IE. Spent the rest of the day coming up with a version that would work in Mozilla (and not break the IE compatibility) - and I only had to make it work in IE NS6/Mozilla. If you also plan on supporting other browsers, (Konqeror, Opera, NS4.x, etc) - which is a must for public sites, then be prepared to set aside quite a lot of time. -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Netscrap 4.7 is obsolete garbage (and was obsolete garbage the day it was released). If you *must* support it, then only support the bare minimum functionality and 'gracefully degrade' all the good stuff (like client side validation, nice layout, dhtml). Nutscraper 4 is one of the main things that has held back client side scripting, and perpetuated the practice of doing as much on the server as possible. If customers want NS4.x then you have to point out all the features that they will miss out on a as a result. Be sure also to tell them that it means maintaining two sets of code - which means 3 times the development time (and thus 3 times the cost). All this for the approximately 5 remaining people (*) on the planet using NS4. IMHO you would be better served spending your time providing support for the lynx browser... (*) Possible underexageration. The real figure is closer to 6. -Original Message- From: Michael Delamere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 23:50 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? Unfortunately in my case it really is wishful thinking! I hate netscape 4.7.x!!! It´s always the same bl***y problem! Actually, I think it´s probably better just to switch the functionality off for netscape4.7.x users! It´s time they upated anyway! Unfortunately if customers insist upon supporting netscape 4.7.x, there´s no choice really Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? My suggestion is to forget about Netscape 4.x because it's hopelessly out of date. 4.x users should know they're using an ancient browser and expect that some things won't work (wishful thinking I know). Dave From: Michael Delamere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0200 exactly! Perhaps, some javascript guru can tell me how to set the cursor back to the end of the text in an input field. Basically, I´m checking the entered value whenever someone types a letter into the input field, change it slightly and then assign the new string back to the input field. Now this works with mozilla and explorer like a dream, but netscape 4.7x always puts the cursor to the beginning!!?? Come on you javascript gurus! Who has the solution? :-D Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : javascript revival?
JavaScript can also offload processing of the server, thus increasing salability. Ex: Dependent drop down lists in Struts could be javascript arrays, no ping to server and a good practice. Many other examples and rich GUI. AOL 8 had Netscape 7 which is Mozilla 1, so there will be more modern browses. Also, other than JavaScript, check this: http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/ .V Vincent Stoessel wrote: Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT : javascript revival?
Nothing wrong with having the O'Reilly book on your desktop :-) -Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:42 AM Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT : javascript revival?
Hehe. My rhino book is about 3 years out of date now. Had to look up whats changed on the net! Ive spent severalmany hours a couple of weeks ago reviving my JavaScript knowledge and learning the (marvellous) 'new' DOM stuff in ie5, ns6. Very useful. -Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 22:45 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: OT : javascript revival? Nothing wrong with having the O'Reilly book on your desktop :-) -Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:42 AM Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
exactly! Perhaps, some javascript guru can tell me how to set the cursor back to the end of the text in an input field. Basically, I´m checking the entered value whenever someone types a letter into the input field, change it slightly and then assign the new string back to the input field. Now this works with mozilla and explorer like a dream, but netscape 4.7x always puts the cursor to the beginning!!?? Come on you javascript gurus! Who has the solution? :-D Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
My suggestion is to forget about Netscape 4.x because it's hopelessly out of date. 4.x users should know they're using an ancient browser and expect that some things won't work (wishful thinking I know). Dave From: Michael Delamere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0200 exactly! Perhaps, some javascript guru can tell me how to set the cursor back to the end of the text in an input field. Basically, I´m checking the entered value whenever someone types a letter into the input field, change it slightly and then assign the new string back to the input field. Now this works with mozilla and explorer like a dream, but netscape 4.7x always puts the cursor to the beginning!!?? Come on you javascript gurus! Who has the solution? :-D Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] : javascript revival?
Don't use 4.7 - we had to abandon it as a required browser because we found ourselves maintain two client-side code bases. It just wasn't worth the trouble. -Original Message- From: Michael Delamere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:36 AM exactly! Perhaps, some javascript guru can tell me how to set the cursor back to the end of the text in an input field. Basically, I´m checking the entered value whenever someone types a letter into the input field, change it slightly and then assign the new string back to the input field. Now this works with mozilla and explorer like a dream, but netscape 4.7x always puts the cursor to the beginning!!?? Come on you javascript gurus! Who has the solution? :-D Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] : javascript revival?
Unfortunately in my case it really is wishful thinking! I hate netscape 4.7.x!!! It´s always the same bl***y problem! Actually, I think it´s probably better just to switch the functionality off for netscape4.7.x users! It´s time they upated anyway! Unfortunately if customers insist upon supporting netscape 4.7.x, there´s no choice really Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? My suggestion is to forget about Netscape 4.x because it's hopelessly out of date. 4.x users should know they're using an ancient browser and expect that some things won't work (wishful thinking I know). Dave From: Michael Delamere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0200 exactly! Perhaps, some javascript guru can tell me how to set the cursor back to the end of the text in an input field. Basically, I´m checking the entered value whenever someone types a letter into the input field, change it slightly and then assign the new string back to the input field. Now this works with mozilla and explorer like a dream, but netscape 4.7x always puts the cursor to the beginning!!?? Come on you javascript gurus! Who has the solution? :-D Regards, Michael - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [OT] : javascript revival? 99% of the javascript I use has to do with validating form fields. You don't need to know every detail of it to use it well. If you want to spend most of your time coding front end gui stuff then you should know all that good dhtml stuff. In my experience this will consume your entire day because of the browser incompatibilities. That's why I've chosen to not use dhtml in my pages and if I want some cool gui effect I just buy it from people who do this for a living. Dave From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : javascript revival?
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Vincent Stoessel wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:28 -0400 From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT : javascript revival? Maybe because I've done mostly server side stuff but it seems to me that Javascript is more popular than ever. The mozilla project uses it with cool XUL for the interface. And now JSF and EL it seems to be creeping into my world. Ugh. I know the minimal amount of Javascript. What I want to know from my java brethren is this: do I need to pick up the definitive guide to javascript so I can leverage the full power of the new technologies? It's pretty difficult to build a really high quality user interface without some amount of JavaScript knowledge. Even Struts has some support for this already, in that it exposes all the event handler attributes (onsubmit, onchange, ...) for you, plus the validator framework that can generate client side validation functions for you. For general net browsing with JavaScript enabled, I always use Mozilla -- it's got a nice configuration option to turn off pop-ups for you. Thanks. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
