RE: Searching the Archives?

[Joe Barefoot]

thanks so much for the link Sri, this makes my day :)

> -Original Message-
> From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> ...and more importantly, it get *relevant* information -- 
> what a concept!
> 
> Sri
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> thanks,  you are right; it is much faster.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> Marc does the best job IMO.
> 
> Try it out at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user.
> 
> Sri
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:48 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> anyone have a better way to search the archives??   I 
> find it incredibly slow as well
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive 
> employs the most horrible search algorithm I've ever seen.  
> My search results are always bloated.
> 
> From their own FAQ:
> 
> "
> Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing 
> list. All words entered in the search box are required for a 
> match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not supported. "
> 
> ...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back 
> results that only have one of the search terms I entered.  
> The archives have become effectively useless to me in the 
> past month or so.
> 
> 
> --joe
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Searching the Archives?
> > 
> > 
> > I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the list 
> > archives via:
> > 
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&def
> aultField=subject&Search=Search
> 
> and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available 
> for this list".  Where should i look for proper archive searching?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jason
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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Sri Sankaran]

...and more importantly, it get *relevant* information -- what a concept!

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:16 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


thanks,  you are right; it is much faster.


-Original Message-
From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:09 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


Marc does the best job IMO.

Try it out at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user.

Sri

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From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


anyone have a better way to search the archives??   I find it incredibly slow as 
well

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive employs the most horrible 
search algorithm I've ever seen.  My search results are always bloated.

>From their own FAQ:

"
Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing list. All words entered in 
the search box are required for a match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not 
supported. "

...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back results that only have one 
of the search terms I entered.  The archives have become effectively useless to me in 
the past month or so.


--joe



> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the list 
> archives via:
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Kandi Potter]

thanks,  you are right; it is much faster.


-Original Message-
From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:09 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


Marc does the best job IMO.

Try it out at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user.

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


anyone have a better way to search the archives??   I find it incredibly slow as 
well

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive employs the most horrible 
search algorithm I've ever seen.  My search results are always bloated.

>From their own FAQ:

"
Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing list. All words entered in 
the search box are required for a match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not 
supported. "

...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back results that only have one 
of the search terms I entered.  The archives have become effectively useless to me in 
the past month or so.


--joe



> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the
> list archives via: 
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Sri Sankaran]

Marc does the best job IMO.

Try it out at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user.

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


anyone have a better way to search the archives??   I find it incredibly slow as 
well

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive employs the most horrible 
search algorithm I've ever seen.  My search results are always bloated.

>From their own FAQ:

"
Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing list. All words entered in 
the search box are required for a match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not 
supported. "

...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back results that only have one 
of the search terms I entered.  The archives have become effectively useless to me in 
the past month or so.


--joe



> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the
> list archives via: 
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Kandi Potter]

anyone have a better way to search the archives??   I find it incredibly slow as 
well

-Original Message-
From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:27 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?


This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive employs the most horrible 
search algorithm I've ever seen.  My search results are always bloated.

>From their own FAQ:

"
Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing list. All words entered in 
the search box are required for a match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not 
supported.
"

...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back results that only have one 
of the search terms I entered.  The archives have become effectively useless to me in 
the past month or so.


--joe



> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the 
> list archives via: 
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Joe Barefoot]

This would be cool except for the fact that mail-archive employs the most horrible 
search algorithm I've ever seen.  My search results are always bloated.

>From their own FAQ:

"
Searches span all archived messages in a particular mailing list. All words entered in 
the search box are required for a match. Boolean logic and phrase matching are not 
supported.
"

...and that's not even true, because I frequently get back results that only have one 
of the search terms I entered.  The archives have become effectively useless to me in 
the past month or so.


--joe



> -Original Message-
> From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:58 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Searching the Archives?
> 
> 
> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the 
> list archives via: 
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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RE: Searching the Archives?

[Kandi Potter]

http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/

-Original Message-
From: Jason Vinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Searching the Archives?


I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the list archives via: 

http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&[EMAIL PROTECTED]&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Search

and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this list".  Where 
should i look for proper archive searching?

Thanks,
Jason



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Re: Searching the Archives?

[JONATHAN PHILIP HOLLOWAY]

Try

http://www.mail-archive.com

Instead.. : )

Jon
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To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:51 PM
Subject: Searching the Archives?


> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the list archives
via:
>
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=struts-user@j
akarta.apache.org&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Sea
rch
>
> and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this
list".  Where should i look for proper archive searching?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>
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Re: Searching the Archives?

[James Mitchell]

I use mail-archive.com

http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/


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To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: Searching the Archives?


> I feel dumb for asking this, but I am trying to search the list archives
via:
>
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=struts-user@j
akarta.apache.org&searchText=bean+attributes&defaultField=subject&Search=Sea
rch
>
> and when i do a search, it returns "Text search not available for this
list".  Where should i look for proper archive searching?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>
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Re: Searching the Archives...

[Vincent Stoessel]

The marc archive 100% better than the one you are using.
Here is your original query for example :





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> could someone please point me to the best method of searching:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> This archive as stated does not support Boolean and so forth..
> (It is frustrating when a search in *nested:iterate* returns 0 results  but
> *nested iterate* will return huge results)
> 
> I guess I want Google to search this archive for me.  :-)
> 
> Thanks..
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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Melissa L Kelley]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Morycz, Felicia V wrote:

> Thank you very much for this tip, Melissa.  I didn't know about this link.
> I hate asking questions that I know have already been answered.  Hopefully
> this new way to search (new to me anyway) will cut down on the repeats and
> help find solutions more quickly.  Is this link on the Struts website?
>

It is on the Struts site at
http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/resources/archives.html. It is listed as
the "ASF List Archive."





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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Morycz, Felicia V]

Thank you very much for this tip, Melissa.  I didn't know about this link.
I hate asking questions that I know have already been answered.  Hopefully
this new way to search (new to me anyway) will cut down on the repeats and
help find solutions more quickly.  Is this link on the Struts website?

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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Searching the Archives...


On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> could someone please point me to the best method of searching:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/
>

The best method would be to not use it at all.

> I guess I want Google to search this archive for me.  :-)
>


I have much better luck using Google or using this:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
pache.org





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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Craig R. McClanahan]

I use the archive that Apache maintains:

  http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/

(NOTE - it takes a while for the initial page to come up -- then you can
bookmark the STRUTS-USER archive page.)

It has some limited and/or capabilities.

Craig


On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Sri Sankaran wrote:

> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:38:49 -0400
> From: Sri Sankaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives...
>
> In most cases, it is pointless searching the mail-archive.  As Jeff pointed out you 
>either get nothing or everything and the kitchen sink.
>
> This is probably the reason why we get so many repeat questions.
>
> What are the chances that struts-user be archived elsewhere with a more 
>useful/helpful search facility.  Or maybe the good folks at mail-archive can be 
>nudged into improving their search engine.  It is ironic that Google does a better 
>job of searching the archive than does their own engine.
>
> Sri
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Searching the Archives...
>
>
> yep
>
> -Original Message-
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/
>
> I guess I want Google to search this archive for me.
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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Jeff_Mychasiw]

Kevin,Sri and Melissa:
  Thank you for the constructive answers.


It seems that the apache site provides what I want.

Thanks again.





"Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/10/2002 09:07:43 AM

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yep

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:58 AM

http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/

I guess I want Google to search this archive for me.

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Re: Searching the Archives...

[Melissa L Kelley]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> could someone please point me to the best method of searching:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/
>

The best method would be to not use it at all.

> I guess I want Google to search this archive for me.  :-)
>


I have much better luck using Google or using this:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Kevin A. Smith]

What about the mail archive at marc.theaimsgroup.com? URL for the struts-user list is: 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user&r=1&w=2

While they're search functionality isn't out of this world, I think it is better than 
mail-archive.

--Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Sri Sankaran 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Searching the Archives...


In most cases, it is pointless searching the mail-archive.  As Jeff pointed out you 
either get nothing or everything and the kitchen sink.

This is probably the reason why we get so many repeat questions.

What are the chances that struts-user be archived elsewhere with a more useful/helpful 
search facility.  Or maybe the good folks at mail-archive can be nudged into improving 
their search engine.  It is ironic that Google does a better job of searching the 
archive than does their own engine.

Sri

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From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Searching the Archives...


yep

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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Sri Sankaran]

In most cases, it is pointless searching the mail-archive.  As Jeff pointed out you 
either get nothing or everything and the kitchen sink.

This is probably the reason why we get so many repeat questions.

What are the chances that struts-user be archived elsewhere with a more useful/helpful 
search facility.  Or maybe the good folks at mail-archive can be nudged into improving 
their search engine.  It is ironic that Google does a better job of searching the 
archive than does their own engine.

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:08 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Searching the Archives...


yep

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http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/

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RE: Searching the Archives...

[Galbreath, Mark]

yep

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http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/

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