Re: which development tool to use? (XML Editor)
Or gvim (http://www.vim.org/) with syntax highlighting enabled. Not so good, but it is free and available for Linux and Windows. Robert Taylor wrote: Try XMLSpy. It's a killer XML editor. It's not free, but there is a trial version. -Original Message- From: Incze Lajos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: which development tool to use? (XML Editor) On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:28:32AM -0500, Dan Connelly wrote: Tag editor for struts:Try Xeena from IBM Alphaworks. Its free; its Java; its fragile. Create/edit like a Bean?? Dunno. For 90 days. Otherwise it's on the list on the "licensable technologies". And not so cheap. But Xeena works great for struts-config.xml, web.xml and deployment XMLs in general. It's a matter of taste. I haven't seen a fiendly XML editor so far. Even really can't imagine what does it look like.incze -- Phone: +44 (0)1273 544160 - Mobile: +44 (0)7767 784452
Re: which development tool to use? (XML Editor)
Tag editor for struts: Try Xeena from IBM Alphaworks. Its free; its Java; its fragile. Create/edit like a Bean?? Dunno. ButXeena worksgreat for struts-config.xml, web.xml and deployment XMLs in general. - Original Message - From: "Steven D. Wilkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Re: which development tool to use? Malcolm Davis wrote:3. Do you have a preference on Tag editors/creators? I'm looking for something that creates/edit tags like I would a bean. Does JBuilder Enterprise do this and I'm just missing something? I only have JBuilder4 Professional, so I don't know what else the Enterprise brings to the table other than EJB wizards. I too am interested in something that creates/edits tags like a bean. I haven't found one yet. If you hear of one please let us know on the mail list. Thanks, Steve
Re: which development tool to use? (XML Editor)
Hi, Dan, Could you please share your knowledge with starting this tool (setup, ...). I am using Unix. From a beginning I had to change xeena.sh file to use jre 1.2. After that, other problem - can not find files,... Very painful. Need to spend a lot time to find out how it is work. Thanks, Maya Dan Connelly wrote: Tag editor for struts: Try Xeena from IBM Alphaworks.Its free; its Java; its fragile. Create/edit like a Bean?? Dunno.But Xeena works great for struts-config.xml, web.xml and deployment XMLs in general.- Original Message -From: "Steven D. Wilkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:43 PMSubject: Re: which development tool to use?> Malcolm Davis wrote: > > > > 3. Do you have a preference on Tag editors/creators? > > I'm looking for something that creates/edit tags like I would a bean. > > Does JBuilder Enterprise do this and I'm just missing something? > > > I only have JBuilder4 Professional, so I don't know what else the Enterprise > brings to the table other than EJB wizards. > > I too am interested in something that creates/edits tags like a bean. I haven't > found one yet. If you hear of one please let us know on the mail list. > > Thanks, > Steve
RE: which development tool to use? (XML Editor)
Try XMLSpy. It's a killer XML editor. It's not free, but there is a trial version. -Original Message- From: Incze Lajos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: which development tool to use? (XML Editor) On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:28:32AM -0500, Dan Connelly wrote: Tag editor for struts:Try Xeena from IBM Alphaworks. Its free; its Java; its fragile. Create/edit like a Bean?? Dunno. For 90 days. Otherwise it's on the list on the "licensable technologies". And not so cheap. But Xeena works great for struts-config.xml, web.xml and deployment XMLs in general. It's a matter of taste. I haven't seen a fiendly XML editor so far. Even really can't imagine what does it look like.incze
Re: which development tool to use?
Dan,
You still have the negative comment about Struts and weblogic. It would be nice
if you corrected that before doing whatever it is your going to do with this
massive thing.
I believe the "hack" was considered a work around, because WebLogic does not
support the servlet startup concept in their implementation of Servlet2.2 api.
FYI, there are a lot of commercial application servers that don't do a good job
implementing the Servlet2.2 api. My guess is that this will be the same with
Servlet2.3. So please use the term work around, because they don't support the
Servlet api. I know it's picky, but I think a "hack" brings negative
associations with 'struts'. IMHO, it's terms like 'hack' that cause people to
respond so negatively to 'struts' questions on the weblogic support news
groups.
Another criticism about you comparison. Under struts you put the following:
===
-Requires a lot of redundancy per form field.
I disagree with this. Now that the JSP pages can use the dot operator you don't
have to expose attributes to the ActionForm implementation.
For example:
public class Registration extends ActionForm {
private User user = new User();
public User getUser() {
return user;
}
public void setUser(User user) {
this.user = user;
}
}
public final class User implements Serializable {
private String firstName = null;
private String lastName = null;
private String title = null;
private String userName = null;
private String password = null;
private String confirmPassword = null;
private String passwordHint = null;
private Address userAddress = new Address();
private Address billingAddress = new Address();
private String email = null;
... getters/and setter for each
}
And The address class has traditional address1, address2, etc.
Now in the JSP page you can do this:
html:text property="user.userName" size="34" maxlength="30"/
html:text property="user.firstName" size="15" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.lastName" size="17" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.userAddress.address1" size="34" maxlength="50"/
html:text property="user.userAddress.address2" size="34" maxlength="50"/
Now please show me where the redunancy is on the form page? I agree prior to
the new reflection and introspection logic within the util package, you did have
to have redundant stuff in the implemented ActionForm. Now that is not true.
Please correct this. It is negative on 'struts'.
BTW, I also observed positive you were in describing you own framework.
+Uses JSP as controller, so you don't have to restart the server all the time.
+Uses a StateManager class to abstract the problem of statelessness on the web.
+JSP's don't have to know which bean(s) their fields are bound to.
I take it your's doesn't have any negatives? Just kidding. I thought I read an
earlier message where you abandoned your effort to support struts. Is that
true?
I don't mean to pick on your document, but you did offer it to the mail list.
Since I'm such a strong supporter of 'struts' I just HAD to comment. Hope you
don't mind.
FYI, with JBuilder4 Professional Edition you have the ability to debug JSP
pages. Professional is in between Foundation and Enterprise.
Personally I use JBuilder4 for debugging. I was converted on my current
contract to JBuilder4. It is soo much better than JBuilder3 and 3.5.1. I never
could get with the interface on NetBeans or Forte. It seemed klunky to me.
However, I'm an old JBuilder3 user. I did have to abandon JBuilder3 because it
used to have extremely high disk activity. I have used vim since then until
now. JBuilder4 is really good and it is nice to have a Java based product have
such high marks. Another Java based product that I TRULY love is TogetherJ4.
This blows away Rational's offering. Did you know that you could generate a
sequence diagram automatically? Then did you know that you could change that to
a collaboration diagram and back? Truly awesome product. FYI, when I encounter
such wonderful Java based products I usually buy them. However, I do have my
own company otherwise the TogetherJ4 purchase would have been a little tough.
Anyway, thanks for your effort. What are you going to do with all this compiled
information?
Steve
RE: which development tool to use?
Title: RE: which development tool to use?
Thank you so much for checking this out. I greatly appreciate both negative and positive feedback. I suppose I forgot to emphasize how out of date and incomplete this little reference was. It was assembled by plunking in comments as I read or hear them, without much in the way of maintenance. I see that opening it up to others is one very good way of weeding out obsolete remarks.
My initial intention was just to see if anyone knew of another more accurate and complete web development product reference like this. Since such an alternative hasn't come to my attention, I'll have to think about how to make this more complete, accurate and public. Mr Husted has graciously offered to host it on his site if not on the struts site itself.
You are absolutely right that the revision to ActionForm has eliminated the field redundancy. I've added this correction and your other comments to my collection.
My own framework is not even close to as good as struts, but I am using it because I had trouble getting struts to work with weblogic, and I was told that our Portal Server, Epicentric, doesn't work well with servlets, and because I was way behind schedule. Now that struts and weblogic get along well, I will try to use struts on my next project.
Thanks again,
Dan
-Original Message-
From: Steven D. Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: which development tool to use?
Dan,
You still have the negative comment about Struts and weblogic. It would be nice
if you corrected that before doing whatever it is your going to do with this
massive thing.
I believe the hack was considered a work around, because WebLogic does not
support the servlet startup concept in their implementation of Servlet2.2 api.
FYI, there are a lot of commercial application servers that don't do a good job
implementing the Servlet2.2 api. My guess is that this will be the same with
Servlet2.3. So please use the term work around, because they don't support the
Servlet api. I know it's picky, but I think a hack brings negative
associations with 'struts'. IMHO, it's terms like 'hack' that cause people to
respond so negatively to 'struts' questions on the weblogic support news
groups.
Another criticism about you comparison. Under struts you put the following:
===
-Requires a lot of redundancy per form field.
I disagree with this. Now that the JSP pages can use the dot operator you don't
have to expose attributes to the ActionForm implementation.
For example:
public class Registration extends ActionForm {
private User user = new User();
public User getUser() {
return user;
}
public void setUser(User user) {
this.user = user;
}
}
public final class User implements Serializable {
private String firstName = null;
private String lastName = null;
private String title = null;
private String userName = null;
private String password = null;
private String confirmPassword = null;
private String passwordHint = null;
private Address userAddress = new Address();
private Address billingAddress = new Address();
private String email = null;
... getters/and setter for each
}
And The address class has traditional address1, address2, etc.
Now in the JSP page you can do this:
html:text property=user.userName size=34 maxlength=30/
html:text property=user.firstName size=15 maxlength=25 /
html:text property=user.lastName size=17 maxlength=25 /
html:text property=user.userAddress.address1 size=34 maxlength=50/
html:text property=user.userAddress.address2 size=34 maxlength=50/
Now please show me where the redunancy is on the form page? I agree prior to
the new reflection and introspection logic within the util package, you did have
to have redundant stuff in the implemented ActionForm. Now that is not true.
Please correct this. It is negative on 'struts'.
BTW, I also observed positive you were in describing you own framework.
+Uses JSP as controller, so you don't have to restart the server all the time.
+Uses a StateManager class to abstract the problem of statelessness on the web.
+JSP's don't have to know which bean(s) their fields are bound to.
I take it your's doesn't have any negatives? Just kidding. I thought I read an
earlier message where you abandoned your effort to support struts. Is that
true?
I don't mean to pick on your document, but you did offer it to the mail list.
Since I'm such a strong supporter of 'struts' I just HAD to comment. Hope you
don't mind.
FYI, with JBuilder4 Professional Edition you have the ability to debug JSP
pages. Professional is in between Foundation and Enterprise.
Personally I use JBuilder4 for debugging. I was converted on my current
contract to JBuilder4. It is soo much better than
RE: which development tool to use?
Steve.
1. I agree on your comments about JBuilder 4. Great product.
2. weblogic is not the only servlet container with problems.
After working with iPlanet and JRun, I am in the conclusion
that most likely all containers have 'issues'.
I agree that having 'issues' and being a 'hack' are two
different things. Struts did not come out of the gate being
what it is today.
3. Do you have a preference on Tag editors/creators?
I'm looking for something that creates/edit tags like I would a bean.
Does JBuilder Enterprise do this and I'm just missing something?
- Malcolm
-Original Message-
From: Steven D. Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: which development tool to use?
Dan,
You still have the negative comment about Struts and weblogic.
It would be nice
if you corrected that before doing whatever it is your going to
do with this
massive thing.
==
==
I believe the "hack" was considered a work around, because
WebLogic does not
support the servlet startup concept in their implementation of
Servlet2.2 api.
FYI, there are a lot of commercial application servers that don't
do a good job
implementing the Servlet2.2 api. My guess is that this will be
the same with
Servlet2.3. So please use the term work around, because they
don't support the
Servlet api. I know it's picky, but I think a "hack" brings negative
associations with 'struts'. IMHO, it's terms like 'hack' that
cause people to
respond so negatively to 'struts' questions on the weblogic support news
groups.
Another criticism about you comparison. Under struts you put the
following:
==
=
-Requires a lot of redundancy per form field.
I disagree with this. Now that the JSP pages can use the dot
operator you don't
have to expose attributes to the ActionForm implementation.
For example:
public class Registration extends ActionForm {
private User user = new User();
public User getUser() {
return user;
}
public void setUser(User user) {
this.user = user;
}
}
public final class User implements Serializable {
private String firstName = null;
private String lastName = null;
private String title = null;
private String userName = null;
private String password = null;
private String confirmPassword = null;
private String passwordHint = null;
private Address userAddress = new Address();
private Address billingAddress = new Address();
private String email = null;
... getters/and setter for each
}
And The address class has traditional address1, address2, etc.
Now in the JSP page you can do this:
html:text property="user.userName" size="34" maxlength="30"/
html:text property="user.firstName" size="15" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.lastName" size="17" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.userAddress.address1" size="34" maxlength="50"/
html:text property="user.userAddress.address2" size="34" maxlength="50"/
Now please show me where the redunancy is on the form page? I
agree prior to
the new reflection and introspection logic within the util
package, you did have
to have redundant stuff in the implemented ActionForm. Now that
is not true.
Please correct this. It is negative on 'struts'.
BTW, I also observed positive you were in describing you own framework.
+Uses JSP as controller, so you don't have to restart the server
all the time.
+Uses a StateManager class to abstract the problem of
statelessness on the web.
+JSP's don't have to know which bean(s) their fields are bound to.
I take it your's doesn't have any negatives? Just kidding. I
thought I read an
earlier message where you abandoned your effort to support
struts. Is that
true?
I don't mean to pick on your document, but you did offer it to
the mail list.
Since I'm such a strong supporter of 'struts' I just HAD to
comment. Hope you
don't mind.
FYI, with JBuilder4 Professional Edition you have the ability to debug JSP
pages. Professional is in between Foundation and Enterprise.
Personally I use JBuilder4 for debugging. I was converted on my current
contract to JBuilder4. It is soo much better than JBuilder3 and
3.5.1. I never
could get with the interface on NetBeans or Forte. It seemed
klunky to me.
However, I'm an old JBuilder3 user. I did have to abandon
JBuilder3 because it
used to have extremely high disk activity. I have used vim since
then until
now. JBuilder4 is really good and it is nice to have a Java
based product have
such high marks. Another Java based product that I TR
Re: which development tool to use?
Malcolm Davis wrote: 3. Do you have a preference on Tag editors/creators? I'm looking for something that creates/edit tags like I would a bean. Does JBuilder Enterprise do this and I'm just missing something? I only have JBuilder4 Professional, so I don't know what else the Enterprise brings to the table other than EJB wizards. I too am interested in something that creates/edits tags like a bean. I haven't found one yet. If you hear of one please let us know on the mail list. Thanks, Steve
RE: which development tool to use?
Steve.
1. I agree on your comments about JBuilder 4. Great product.
2. weblogic is not the only servlet container with problems.
After working with iPlanet and JRun, I am in the conclusion
that most likely all containers have 'issues'.
I agree that having 'issues' and being a 'hack' are two
different things. Struts did not come out of the gate being
what it is today.
3. Do you have a preference on Tag editors/creators?
I'm looking for something that creates/edit tags like I would a bean.
Does JBuilder Enterprise do this and I'm just missing something?
- Malcolm
-Original Message-
From: Steven D. Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: which development tool to use?
Dan,
You still have the negative comment about Struts and weblogic.
It would be nice
if you corrected that before doing whatever it is your going to
do with this
massive thing.
==
==
I believe the "hack" was considered a work around, because
WebLogic does not
support the servlet startup concept in their implementation of
Servlet2.2 api.
FYI, there are a lot of commercial application servers that don't
do a good job
implementing the Servlet2.2 api. My guess is that this will be
the same with
Servlet2.3. So please use the term work around, because they
don't support the
Servlet api. I know it's picky, but I think a "hack" brings negative
associations with 'struts'. IMHO, it's terms like 'hack' that
cause people to
respond so negatively to 'struts' questions on the weblogic support news
groups.
Another criticism about you comparison. Under struts you put the
following:
==
=
-Requires a lot of redundancy per form field.
I disagree with this. Now that the JSP pages can use the dot
operator you don't
have to expose attributes to the ActionForm implementation.
For example:
public class Registration extends ActionForm {
private User user = new User();
public User getUser() {
return user;
}
public void setUser(User user) {
this.user = user;
}
}
public final class User implements Serializable {
private String firstName = null;
private String lastName = null;
private String title = null;
private String userName = null;
private String password = null;
private String confirmPassword = null;
private String passwordHint = null;
private Address userAddress = new Address();
private Address billingAddress = new Address();
private String email = null;
... getters/and setter for each
}
And The address class has traditional address1, address2, etc.
Now in the JSP page you can do this:
html:text property="user.userName" size="34" maxlength="30"/
html:text property="user.firstName" size="15" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.lastName" size="17" maxlength="25" /
html:text property="user.userAddress.address1" size="34" maxlength="50"/
html:text property="user.userAddress.address2" size="34" maxlength="50"/
Now please show me where the redunancy is on the form page? I
agree prior to
the new reflection and introspection logic within the util
package, you did have
to have redundant stuff in the implemented ActionForm. Now that
is not true.
Please correct this. It is negative on 'struts'.
BTW, I also observed positive you were in describing you own framework.
+Uses JSP as controller, so you don't have to restart the server
all the time.
+Uses a StateManager class to abstract the problem of
statelessness on the web.
+JSP's don't have to know which bean(s) their fields are bound to.
I take it your's doesn't have any negatives? Just kidding. I
thought I read an
earlier message where you abandoned your effort to support
struts. Is that
true?
I don't mean to pick on your document, but you did offer it to
the mail list.
Since I'm such a strong supporter of 'struts' I just HAD to
comment. Hope you
don't mind.
FYI, with JBuilder4 Professional Edition you have the ability to debug JSP
pages. Professional is in between Foundation and Enterprise.
Personally I use JBuilder4 for debugging. I was converted on my current
contract to JBuilder4. It is soo much better than JBuilder3 and
3.5.1. I never
could get with the interface on NetBeans or Forte. It seemed
klunky to me.
However, I'm an old JBuilder3 user. I did have to abandon
JBuilder3 because it
used to have extremely high disk activity. I have used vim since
then until
now. JBuilder4 is really good and it is nice to have a Java
based product have
such high marks. Another Java based product that I TR
RE: which development tool to use?
Emacs and Jakarta-Ant. What bugs? ;-) hell, why not vi?? Why are you trying to belittle the above mentioned combo ? Have you actually tried using emacs, JDE (Java Development Environment for emacs) and jakarta-ant *before* writing your smart remark comparing emacs to vi ? It may be out of fashion but *any* keyboard interface certainly is faster than whatever WIMP (WIndows Mouse Pointer) interface you use. Of course you have to know all your keyboard shortcuts... ;-) Anyway, I don't wish to start a religious war on development tools. Everyone has his/her preferences and most certainly for good reason. Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why I like DR-DOS? It doesn't work with Windows 9x! PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver
RE: which development tool to use?
Actually, I was just joking. No "belittlement" was intended. I apologize if it came across that way. I am one of the weird guys that actually gets pretty good use out of vi. I think it's best to use whatever tool works for you. If you can fly through a keyboard-based app, then do it. I've seen people who can use a mouse faster than I can type. To me it's pretty cool that the development tool is not really an issue like it was in other environments. The people in my group use whatever they want and we have no compatibility problems. Anyway, perhaps my post was out of line. I apologize. G -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: which development tool to use? Emacs and Jakarta-Ant. What bugs? ;-) hell, why not vi?? Why are you trying to belittle the above mentioned combo ? Have you actually tried using emacs, JDE (Java Development Environment for emacs) and jakarta-ant *before* writing your smart remark comparing emacs to vi ? It may be out of fashion but *any* keyboard interface certainly is faster than whatever WIMP (WIndows Mouse Pointer) interface you use. Of course you have to know all your keyboard shortcuts... ;-) Anyway, I don't wish to start a religious war on development tools. Everyone has his/her preferences and most certainly for good reason. Best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why I like DR-DOS? It doesn't work with Windows 9x! PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver
Re: which development tool to use?
We also use VAJ 3.5 with Tomcat and Struts. It's nice to be able to develop, run, and debug within the same environment. Since the generated JSP code is part of the IDE, it's a simple matter to put breakpoints in the generated JSP if necessary. At 11:24 PM 2/5/2001 +0100, you wrote: I use VAJ 3.5 with Tomcat and struts. works perfectly can debug throught the jsp's (not really jsp's but the generated servlets) Can change code on the fly without restarting anything. johan James W. Howe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Allen Creek Software, Inc. pgpkey: http://ic.net/~jwh/pgpkey.html Ann Arbor, MI 48103
Re: which development tool to use?
I have been using struts with Forte for Java, Internet Edition for the past couple of weeks and have not come across any major problems. Simply following the struts documentation had me up and running pretty quickly. Suchithra Sekar Mike Campbell wrote: Has anyone done much development with Forte for Java, Internet edition with Struts and care to comment on your thoughts? --
which development tool to use?
Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael
RE: which development tool to use?
actually, we've had great success with JBuilder Foundation. Debugging can be painful, and, if you're used to developing in GUI environments, the interface can be kludgey(?) at times, but it works good enough to get work done. You also have to be careful of how it compiles things. It compiles packages, not classes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: which development tool to use? Emacs and Jakarta-Ant. What bugs? ;-) Original Message On 2/5/01, 2:11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding which development tool to use?: Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael
RE: which development tool to use?
hi -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: which development tool to use? actually, we've had great success with JBuilder Foundation. we, too. i am always astonished how many features there are even in the foundation version. Debugging can be painful, and, if you're used to developing in GUI environments, the interface can be kludgey(?) at times, but it works good enough to get work done. You also have to be careful of how it compiles things. It compiles packages, not classes. this depends on the settings. you can make it compile packages, but you can have it compile only files. regards robert
Re: which development tool to use?
The debugging with JBuilder 4 pro (+ struts + Tomcat) has been very good for me in Redhat Linux 6.2, very fast (but stability is another question). Previously I had used JBuilder 4 in Windows NT: debugging was super slow as Greg had said. BUT, I found a tip in JBuilder's Linux version saying that you could significantly speed up debugging in Windows by including a -classic (forgot the details here) in front of your VM settings for every project. I am yet to try this out later. Deping Chian Greg Reddin wrote: actually, we've had great success with JBuilder Foundation. Debugging can be painful, and, if you're used to developing in GUI environments, the interface can be kludgey(?) at times, but it works good enough to get work done. You also have to be careful of how it compiles things. It compiles packages, not classes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: which development tool to use? Emacs and Jakarta-Ant. What bugs? ;-) Original Message On 2/5/01, 2:11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding which development tool to use?: Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael
RE: which development tool to use?
For about the last 4 months, I've been putting together the attached list of products, as news of their existence, pros and cons comes to my attention. A lot of the comments have actually come from this and other newsgroups. It provides a concise, distilled reference of a)what goes into a web solution, b) what products are out there, c)what's good and bad about each product, and d) what products get along with what other products. Had I had something like this in the beginning, it would have saved me tons of time. If anyone has come across a similar product comparison chart, please let me know. I think it would be very helpful, and probably a lot more accurate than what I can do on my own. I would love for something like this to be in the public domain for everyone to use and improve. My apologies to those of you who can't open Excel files. :( Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: which development tool to use? Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael Web Components.xls
RE: which development tool to use?
That comment is no longer true (see what happens when only one guy works on this ;)) When it was true, "it" referred to Struts, but it's all better now. I'm not sure when it was fixed. Just be sure to use the latest build of Struts and you'll be fine. Dan -Original Message- From: Bielby, Randy J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:39 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: which development tool to use? Dan, I am just getting started with Struts and was reading through your document (thank lots of good info). I noticed a note pertaining to Struts and Weblogic. In this document you state "Jakarta:Struts -requires a hack to work with WebLogic since it puts non-serializable objects in session". I am hoping that the "it" you are reffering to is WebLogic and not Struts. In order for our session persistence mechanism (IBM WebSphere) to work the session objects have to be serializable (obviously). Anyone have info on this?? Randy Bielby Greenbrier Russel Madison, Wisconsin www.gr.com (608) 827-6760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dan Cancro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: which development tool to use? For about the last 4 months, I've been putting together the attached list of products, as news of their existence, pros and cons comes to my attention. A lot of the comments have actually come from this and other newsgroups. It provides a concise, distilled reference of a)what goes into a web solution, b) what products are out there, c)what's good and bad about each product, and d) what products get along with what other products. Had I had something like this in the beginning, it would have saved me tons of time. If anyone has come across a similar product comparison chart, please let me know. I think it would be very helpful, and probably a lot more accurate than what I can do on my own. I would love for something like this to be in the public domain for everyone to use and improve. My apologies to those of you who can't open Excel files. :( Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: which development tool to use? Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael File: Web Components.xls
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That's what I thought, didn't make sense other wise. Thanks Randy Bielby Greenbrier Russel Madison, Wisconsin www.gr.com (608) 827-6760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dan Cancro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: which development tool to use? That comment is no longer true (see what happens when only one guy works on this ;)) When it was true, "it" referred to Struts, but it's all better now. I'm not sure when it was fixed. Just be sure to use the latest build of Struts and you'll be fine. Dan -Original Message- From: Bielby, Randy J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:39 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: which development tool to use? Dan, I am just getting started with Struts and was reading through your document (thank lots of good info). I noticed a note pertaining to Struts and Weblogic. In this document you state "Jakarta:Struts -requires a hack to work with WebLogic since it puts non-serializable objects in session". I am hoping that the "it" you are reffering to is WebLogic and not Struts. In order for our session persistence mechanism (IBM WebSphere) to work the session objects have to be serializable (obviously). Anyone have info on this?? Randy Bielby Greenbrier Russel Madison, Wisconsin www.gr.com (608) 827-6760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dan Cancro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: which development tool to use? For about the last 4 months, I've been putting together the attached list of products, as news of their existence, pros and cons comes to my attention. A lot of the comments have actually come from this and other newsgroups. It provides a concise, distilled reference of a)what goes into a web solution, b) what products are out there, c)what's good and bad about each product, and d) what products get along with what other products. Had I had something like this in the beginning, it would have saved me tons of time. If anyone has come across a similar product comparison chart, please let me know. I think it would be very helpful, and probably a lot more accurate than what I can do on my own. I would love for something like this to be in the public domain for everyone to use and improve. My apologies to those of you who can't open Excel files. :( Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: which development tool to use? Hello, I hope my question is not too off topic for this mailing list: In the last weeks I struggled around with JDeveloper as an IDE for creating web applications with Struts, but it seems that it has some problems with the message resource files for the action servlet (see my question earlier in this mailing list). So I would like to find out which tools you use to develop your web applications, especially how they are debugged. Did anybody use JBuilder and has good experiences integrating with Struts? I would like to read your suggestions, thank you. Regards Michael File: Web Components.xls
Re: which development tool to use?
Are you developing in java? :-) Why? You don't like it if i look at your list. Every IDE that is written in Java has this as a negative 'feature' johan
Re: which development tool to use?
I use VAJ 3.5 with Tomcat and struts. works perfectly can debug throught the jsp's (not really jsp's but the generated servlets) Can change code on the fly without restarting anything. johan
