Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 18:48, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:04:21PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 02:06, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: what I seek: A political decision from a release team, maintained at some location easy to watch for changes. Not sure if we have someone with spare cycles to do this job. Are such political decisions taken at all? If so, cc me directly (I might very well miss posts on these very active Sugarlabs lists), and I volunteer to attempt maintaining a concise listing on a wiki page. If I remember correctly, it was decided some months ago that activities would stop being formally tied to the core's release cycle. If that's true, seems like we have made a change and forgot about updating the wiki. What if we add it to the agenda for the next dev team meeting? Regards, Tomeu - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLvgjWAAoJECx8MUbBoAEh1mcP/ReHdyi6IxHlfSwxSCgwFP5K m0LcQNDwbSLr+AWgEwppSrHKoKrUi6plgbc+Y2TYYzOg6yTHFfsTjTIC1Hk5+AbU yginDKW219Wx90tjQDI/aMqsDiLA7dOf5yehlJhL2x5zjGmPInMOKKB1p+IVDGZL N8L/VEI9kEuotmdhnrvYT6Q50d2hsgxQ7Aep4OVSgMNK6h8dStb39F5uZDLi5ukS PWM6Syo88di/TJxtojWWfIyZYmL0VVemrhhkeP3J3tu4L3Tenc005hgHAEFcxC/m vj03D02HJVPKh932iqr2lHKYAdWftM39B3eNsYXpfyGmnQSamSVQTrKFHbvSUsFB qGxu6DupjACoBKc0rOBLNkVHgz6C6EyUgeBTp8YYLZW6fTjHb/BpvBhgUw/QrKkp g8J5gKd/iOgtHytVwYpQap0W+4FHPf7O5VdBucAQc95EJd+lk0NgGPUP7uY4nzZm +0ucsuU6KTJKyExVkQiya1AiY+6AWXKY58vnUhuWtlic3/82nBCmxprBmNIyG/C4 rmqpH89YIVvSvmPzQFTU1FIioZufzya+L1f/SAqJBAuxt0/rctc9SaCjhBaShgTx 18yBDQCM460mYyMoE/a6Ruc27lItNcdAwAXsElW4R7zl/kJKztJvrH5MHViiWuRH T7gCScEUu6ZAL5pGLFcq =pOk7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 02:06, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:21:50AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:34:26AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I can go hunt down the info at ASLO for each and every chunk of code related to Sugar in some way. Erk. What a strange concept. Is this ASLO database available in any other public form than run Browse from a Sugar instance and search for an activity? Couldn't the dependency on, or compatibility with, specific versions of Sugar be mentioned in the activity source? Why keep it separate? * There's (sometimes) comments in release notes. * There's alternative branches in Git * There's discussions on mailinglists * There's ASLO database All of those - and also hints in source itself - are different from what I seek: A political decision from a release team, maintained at some location easy to watch for changes. Not sure if we have someone with spare cycles to do this job. Regards, Tomeu - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLtTT6AAoJECx8MUbBoAEh3fYP/Rt+52/QtzoH61MuLjGQa10M tVag8lRAoDhQWx/U+QkRXvcoo6SwCzLMxYBiD4danIOJQMTarPdcg5ChNFeSz5/V yoNyuaOuD/vsHD41OUtRZy3asjczuyLnd7oVGRJdebtv8bIPXqHCgmERBxS6AxjP BXR9g8ukkPKHh3/daGwijVgUq7AbIHNokxe9+4NYFUGsIKfz9LPmi1Nc5EBDwsGV cqtFZRaaN+0lWxrbfRWLLUenTX5YQOgeAvgxlscEU4kQA0/GOwpyYDvAxj+KvbvQ lvutxczGdOVAh91qU8XPlz0q/qkrvRGfms2HoJArfgoZCdI9rnlXtWA1ZFxzckNd if0JOZQwtmmvQ7miXzYOWtqtIJrJliN/TMM6F6r6aJDNQZl/q8kntzQ2vqC/u/ud a19p8xiZvQLGWWC+LUDlk2W2ndJA2JGD8W66wQyrGZ1NMccnlseKKQxhRLtueXZR CTJEY5yc+wKKIYnapDUIe7fKJjMCeeVs2IHGNcoW6X5BxrQQsaedHMKjrVum6CJp Vkv+x0O6lfLaTcuY9I74xyTPaG5IY/DnDuRojdThUfJ9TsUK6yKXXdib7GViHost 63OCDuuhjZfH5ouF/Lc3PY9QRKs+A5inDl3UnUNwq22krAai+WrDO4bz3aw+LGww WbOdTIt/KD3/qgMskvE2 =qV7d -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:04:21PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 02:06, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: what I seek: A political decision from a release team, maintained at some location easy to watch for changes. Not sure if we have someone with spare cycles to do this job. Are such political decisions taken at all? If so, cc me directly (I might very well miss posts on these very active Sugarlabs lists), and I volunteer to attempt maintaining a concise listing on a wiki page. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: 0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base system environment; and Fructose, a set of demonstration activities. This new release contains many new features, performance and code improvements, bug fixes, and translations. Congratulations to all involved! Sorry to ask - again: Where is the official documented list of contents of Glucose and Fructose for each major release of Sugar? I fail to locate it at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes and the directly referenced http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is too broad. I would like to check - for each of 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 - how close to the official compositions we are in Debian currently. Please do not post the detailed answer in an email response, but refer to the wiki page which is (supposed to) contain this info. :-) Its not changed for quite some time and can be found here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 04:32:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: 0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base system environment; and Fructose, a set of demonstration activities. This new release contains many new features, performance and code improvements, bug fixes, and translations. Congratulations to all involved! Sorry to ask - again: Where is the official documented list of contents of Glucose and Fructose for each major release of Sugar? I fail to locate it at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes and the directly referenced http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is too broad. I would like to check - for each of 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 - how close to the official compositions we are in Debian currently. Please do not post the detailed answer in an email response, but refer to the wiki page which is (supposed to) contain this info. :-) Its not changed for quite some time and can be found here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules Thanks. It seems that page is not exactly what I am looking for, however. Or let me try throw a couple of trick questions: * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? If you do not care about tracking 0.84 any longer then what revision of which wiki page should I go look for latest info on that abandoned release? Kind regards, - Jonas P.S. Sorry for posting initially to both devel and iaep lists. I consider this question mostly technical so have now added only devel list as Reply-To - please respond to that list only. -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 04:32:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: 0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base system environment; and Fructose, a set of demonstration activities. This new release contains many new features, performance and code improvements, bug fixes, and translations. Congratulations to all involved! Sorry to ask - again: Where is the official documented list of contents of Glucose and Fructose for each major release of Sugar? I fail to locate it at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes and the directly referenced http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is too broad. I would like to check - for each of 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 - how close to the official compositions we are in Debian currently. Please do not post the detailed answer in an email response, but refer to the wiki page which is (supposed to) contain this info. :-) Its not changed for quite some time and can be found here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules Thanks. It seems that page is not exactly what I am looking for, however. Or let me try throw a couple of trick questions: Risking getting tripped up... * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? I believe the answer is yes. * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? The maintainers of 0.84 would have to answer this question. They are doing quite a bit of backporting. If you do not care about tracking 0.84 any longer then what revision of which wiki page should I go look for latest info on that abandoned release? 0.84 has not been abandoned. There are several teams working on its maintenance and support. regards. -walter Kind regards, - Jonas P.S. Sorry for posting initially to both devel and iaep lists. I consider this question mostly technical so have now added only devel list as Reply-To - please respond to that list only. -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLtMMRAAoJECx8MUbBoAEh410QAJfXmAsUFwD1Wkqqtgv/YcXZ ij1UVKQq7N5F5vREl0iaxuqRhjdHNfTHb5J4UACY/MtKCjfDjNt3d+4xdzYcXB91 U2uqJ9DTKSy6C+nwnI1b/wEAsQbHdYjCkNfr6iOqwh37rO6093A03d+auldhf1Gw Vj9XeKI1pMi7TWAL42XlcmoYXmqD/FHG9jvAdVKdy4VM6Wi+dIPmvT1l7E/huedx TjKDr+Ok8jUgkD6lNl67shEMCnHgIXrnOJ6sYNtPcokRsLqNM1GbDAUPKyPDJFG9 b2wTpIDDBhfRtfKf0cblZ5+25fqaj4vhSqPZazf0vW3qzIqhKuVoaHfNgqpKIqCu PsVpxgQ5zLP7QCDLD1MmbYYi0ZSkC38Pm1R9AoNFv4D7kLWAcHWD3J/RVeQOTSdV tejuCVdC6QSNrVfrbpISr/PL2/TIX8ZWSUZ7qchlOn8UCwTPzzzbNuWReA76GwSZ cI7lhXiavxnAu/kCj/BBuW/EQWSVkyGxtYfPZCRmU4gl0U5AlSenUQdLVk1jq6bo H+LphheXRklTU6i37k0VRrAoh4DIEk25ZOd3E7vkwhIVmYqPi+27nW9zVSFclsyq tr64ZyVNC6xHt7yX5i+EEJTY73BZepaCJ7iEBoEoLEqROphY2EMKK92hDHSzlFzJ WI4tgPyE+fBC8djig+oc =W/ku -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: ... * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? See perhaps, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Platform_Cycle Thanks for your interest! ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 04:32:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: 0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base system environment; and Fructose, a set of demonstration activities. This new release contains many new features, performance and code improvements, bug fixes, and translations. Congratulations to all involved! Sorry to ask - again: Where is the official documented list of contents of Glucose and Fructose for each major release of Sugar? I fail to locate it at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes and the directly referenced http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is too broad. I would like to check - for each of 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 - how close to the official compositions we are in Debian currently. Please do not post the detailed answer in an email response, but refer to the wiki page which is (supposed to) contain this info. :-) Its not changed for quite some time and can be found here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules Thanks. It seems that page is not exactly what I am looking for, however. Or let me try throw a couple of trick questions: * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? If you do not care about tracking 0.84 any longer then what revision of which wiki page should I go look for latest info on that abandoned release? Ah, so you want a matrix of what the latest version of each activity that is supported on each of the major releases of sugar? I'm not sure that exists in particular but a.sl.o should have the supported versions of sugar for each activity. Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
Hi Peter, On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:09:26PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Ah, so you want a matrix of what the latest version of each activity that is supported on each of the major releases of sugar? I'm not sure that exists in particular but a.sl.o should have the supported versions of sugar for each activity. No. I would want a matrix of a) which libraries are considered Glucose, b) which applications are considered Fructose. I am not interested in which versions are possible to get working against the rest of the environment or which add-on libraries or add-on applications are possible to mix with the core software released by Sugarlabs. Only which parts and versions are officially supported by Sugarlabs. Something like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Platform_Components but describing Sugarlabs code rather than underlying code. Hope that helps :-) - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Hi Walter (and others). On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 04:32:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:35:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: 0.88 is the latest version of Sugar, consisting of Glucose, the base system environment; and Fructose, a set of demonstration activities. This new release contains many new features, performance and code improvements, bug fixes, and translations. Congratulations to all involved! Sorry to ask - again: Where is the official documented list of contents of Glucose and Fructose for each major release of Sugar? I fail to locate it at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes and the directly referenced http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy is too broad. I would like to check - for each of 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 - how close to the official compositions we are in Debian currently. Please do not post the detailed answer in an email response, but refer to the wiki page which is (supposed to) contain this info. :-) Its not changed for quite some time and can be found here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules Thanks. It seems that page is not exactly what I am looking for, however. Or let me try throw a couple of trick questions: Risking getting tripped up... :-) * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? I believe the answer is yes. Specifically for 0.84 I believe that some activities only supports the redesigned toolbar, and judging from its Git source branching Browse is one of those. Hmm. I was pretty sure that Browse had support for both styles of toolbars. But apparently I am mistaken. As Peter mentioned, the database in ASLO keeps track of which versions of which activities go with the various Sucrose releases. I suppose those data should be in the wiki somewhere as well, at least for Fructose. There might be other issues too, and the issue might have been fixed later on so that the 0.84 branch is no longer used so is a wrong measure for me as distributor to look for. I have been around long enough to have heard about it when the toolbar was redesigned, so am aware of that particular issue. But others might not - and I would appreciate not having to rely on my own jusgement and code analysis but being able to lookup hard facts published by the upstream project. * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? The maintainers of 0.84 would have to answer this question. They are doing quite a bit of backporting. The question here was not if it _works_ with 0.84, but instead if it is considered as _part_ of the core Sugar environment. So when you mention backporting efforts, I suspect that we are not talking about the same thing - or perhaps your use of backporting is what I would call deriving. I mean backporting in the sense that they are taking a number of patches made for 0.88 and applying them to 0.84. So the definition of core Sugar for 0.84 is a bit of a moving target. Not being a distro person, I can only imagine that leading to some confusion, but for the most part, the backporting is confined to strategic bug fixes as opposed to redefinitions of components. There is a particular focus on 0.84 because it is being rolled out on the new OLPC hardware and in many of the larger Sugar deployments. Sigh... I know that mentioning core Sugar might spawn a discussion on its own. :-/ If you do not care about tracking 0.84 any longer then what revision of which wiki page should I go look for latest info on that abandoned release? 0.84 has not been abandoned. There are several teams working on its maintenance and support. Yeah, that's my impression too. Thanks for reassuring that my big efforts on multi-branched packaging for Debian is not a total waste :-) - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLtNsxAAoJECx8MUbBoAEhUcgP/2oTYG50FTqMXDL+7DsbrVJ/ dU3Z58N0fA4HCHhN9pilKDCVujUvRGd6c03fOXc0FnjDCYPJ/ACl4lYZmRMoG04F LCR70n7UlVPyA8sEhCegY/OvxxmP6+RlOnzpLZrA+N3HknvXRY0shsU1eSv5oUMY d8jqvJyu5F45sE7+PfWXqcxGodUdTF2u0BwyV+/Jq8S2DJ1fDa58TRdcmYdcIRsD xuIF5n366V0PdDp8/Q9LsAIwytS5AISvurxYLBrY8uqTgJ4VZL2bcLA1BM3imstB Ccs7WpVcx0UhQsokyvFnSoK74yedjTBUqTq3IaMd15euZbzN3ok5CZraLQPOGr60 tXJVHz+jqFL2EnYqhd3qytV8Jzcrb96vvLVBaPqqhuxAJMM3nZaiW7yIwJwqc2+0 bxsMQIS5WsK3LOkgKadfOTNickGF5m9u3Xnu1R5tKefA2hzjT1OJkQqkATAmyuIu wZZ2F5o/tfI6BCP6qE337+0ptdqyQZXeMs9r3jxTaNyt2kwT9TrONsbtshnP/4TB KKKOr9Y0xH1n/s1I+hE7gCkNVEhTWooGllq0JuP/8e0Z64g0gTDGRYywXoAbwdQ7
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:24:08PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Hi Walter (and others). On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? I believe the answer is yes. Specifically for 0.84 I believe that some activities only supports the redesigned toolbar, and judging from its Git source branching Browse is one of those. Hmm. I was pretty sure that Browse had support for both styles of toolbars. But apparently I am mistaken. As Peter mentioned, the database in ASLO keeps track of which versions of which activities go with the various Sucrose releases. I suppose those data should be in the wiki somewhere as well, at least for Fructose. I understand that, but see a difference between what is *available* (at ASLO) and what is *included* (as core Sugar). I now found partly what I was looking for in the Roadmap pages: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Roadmap http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Roadmap Above pages contain at the bottom lists what appears to be release team approved lists of libraries and applications part of each major release. What I still miss is a similarly authoritative version ranges - similarly to the lists at these pages: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Platform_Components http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Platform_Components http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Platform_Components Also it would be great if http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Roadmap was updated to clarify if the Proposed modules was later rejected or are now officially part of Sugar since some minor version of 0.84. * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? The maintainers of 0.84 would have to answer this question. They are doing quite a bit of backporting. The question here was not if it _works_ with 0.84, but instead if it is considered as _part_ of the core Sugar environment. So when you mention backporting efforts, I suspect that we are not talking about the same thing - or perhaps your use of backporting is what I would call deriving. I mean backporting in the sense that they are taking a number of patches made for 0.88 and applying them to 0.84. So the definition of core Sugar for 0.84 is a bit of a moving target. Not being a distro person, I can only imagine that leading to some confusion, but for the most part, the backporting is confined to strategic bug fixes as opposed to redefinitions of components. There is a particular focus on 0.84 because it is being rolled out on the new OLPC hardware and in many of the larger Sugar deployments. I guess that's what I call backporting as well. What confused me (now that I reflect a bit more on it) is not the backporting term, but the very act of backporting into a stable release, rather than aside it. Debian has logic of not introducing new features into a branch after it has been released as stable. In other words, it is simply me being too used to thinking in Debian logic here :-) - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:26:36PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? Checking ASLO, Browse 112 is marked as working with 0.86; Browse 108 is marked as working with 0.84. Thanks. I was aiming at more general lists of info, however - Browse just being one example. I can go hunt down the info at ASLO for each and every chunk of code related to Sugar in some way. But that would be too error prone, and I feel that my time then would be better spent not giving a shit about compliance with Sugarlabs and just throw together for Debian what I findworks together - not caring if it is coming from Sugarlabs or from other sources. Can you follow how I would like a more coordinated approach? I guess what I really try to express here is that I imagine that distributors in general would appreciate if Sugarlabs maintained info on what was considered the official core Sugar for each major release of it - somewhere easy for distributors to compara against. Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:21:50AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:34:26AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I can go hunt down the info at ASLO for each and every chunk of code related to Sugar in some way. Erk. What a strange concept. Is this ASLO database available in any other public form than run Browse from a Sugar instance and search for an activity? Couldn't the dependency on, or compatibility with, specific versions of Sugar be mentioned in the activity source? Why keep it separate? * There's (sometimes) comments in release notes. * There's alternative branches in Git * There's discussions on mailinglists * There's ASLO database All of those - and also hints in source itself - are different from what I seek: A political decision from a release team, maintained at some location easy to watch for changes. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
