RE: Where are the women?
Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Dont women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50 09 N.0° 07 40 W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Len Berggren Sent: 10 March 2011 23:46 To: Schechner, Sara Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut Ill grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other thingslike cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Moscow sundial?
I always try to have an instruction tablet that starts off Stand on the centre line at today's date. David Brown Somerton, Somerset, UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
I'm glad to discover there are so many women here, and specially for having found Mrs. Schechner in the list. A member sent her article about sundials, published in the Journal for the History of Astronomy. I liked it very much. And the text about the difficulties for women scientists is pretty interesting. 2011/3/12 Jackie Jones jac...@waitrose.com Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials – www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don’t women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50’ 09” N.0° 07’ 40” W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? *From:* sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Len Berggren *Sent:* 10 March 2011 23:46 *To:* Schechner, Sara *Cc:* Sundial List *Subject:* Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut I’ll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things—like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) *Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. * David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html *From:* sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Marcelo *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM *To:* Sundial List *Subject:* Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: BSS Bulletin on DVD
Sign me up, John! How do we pay? Can we use paypal? -Bill G On 3/11/2011 11:17 AM, JOHN DAVIS wrote: Dear Dialling Colleagues, The British Sundial Society is pleased to announce that the full run of BSS Bulletins, from the start of the Society in 1989 until September 2010 (a total of 75 issues) is now available on a DVD-R. The cost of the DVD to BSS members is 25 +pp. It may also be purchased at a cost of 75 by non-members, though it would be advantageous to join to get the lower price! Contact BSS Sales (Elspeth Hill at mem...@ehill80.fsnet.co.uk) to purchase, or me for any technical enquiry. The BSS is grateful to Kevin Karney, assisted by Elaine Hyde, for the conversion of the 75 issues into PDF files. Regards, John --- Dr J Davis Flowton Dials --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
bad sundials
Hello again; I hope I am not trying your patience with my endless questions. Today I am thinking about all of the mistakes that I have made in my thinking about sundial designs. The motions between the sun and earth are more complicated than I first thought. I wonder if lots of people make sundial mistakes? I wonder if there are lots of sundials around that contain mistakes? I wonder if there are any famous sundial blunders? thanks again; brent --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: bad sundials
Hi Brent, The BSS Register has many ‘non-dials’ on its books. Some (though few) have other dialling interest. We used to record all except the most flagrantly erroneous one so that we could use the data for research but now are moving away from that because there are so many ‘garden-centre dials’ that do not work. Plenty of dial designers make mistakes and it isn’t hard for the so called experts to do so either! I’d always recommend that designers make a model out of paper or card before committing. Not only that but if you are designing the dial commercially and have no professional indemnity insurance the submission of the working model can be used to secure acceptance of the design (and hence limit the risk for the designer) without the expense of professional insurance. Patrick From: Brent Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:39 PM To: Sundial List Subject: bad sundials Hello again; I hope I am not trying your patience with my endless questions. Today I am thinking about all of the mistakes that I have made in my thinking about sundial designs. The motions between the sun and earth are more complicated than I first thought. I wonder if lots of people make sundial mistakes? I wonder if there are lots of sundials around that contain mistakes? I wonder if there are any famous sundial blunders? thanks again; brent --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: bad sundials
Brent, In my province, where I know about all sundials the biggest blunder in terms of time difference between the indicated time and the actual time, is an equatorial sundial with the hour digits in reverse order. He may be right in the southern hemisphere. See http://www.wijzerweb.be/neerpelt001A.html Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be Op 12-mrt-2011, om 20:39 heeft Brent het volgende geschreven: Hello again; I hope I am not trying your patience with my endless questions. Today I am thinking about all of the mistakes that I have made in my thinking about sundial designs. The motions between the sun and earth are more complicated than I first thought. I wonder if lots of people make sundial mistakes? I wonder if there are lots of sundials around that contain mistakes? I wonder if there are any famous sundial blunders? thanks again; brent --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Hi Jackie, I love your little portable sundials they look great. I have a passion for portable sundials as they don’t need winding just the sun. A comment with regard to your website. The instructions are great but are not correct for Australia, here the sun is to the North. Have you sold any portable sundials for the southern hemisphere? Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Jackie Jones Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:47 PM To: 'Len Berggren' ; 'Schechner, Sara' Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Where are the women? Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials – www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don’t women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50’ 09” N.0° 07’ 40” W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Len Berggren Sent: 10 March 2011 23:46 To: Schechner, Sara Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut I’ll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things—like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3501 - Release Date: 03/11/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: bad sundials
I think Mike Shaw has a posting somewhere of horribly wrong sundials. Mike are you there? It would make a great webpage. -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Brent Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:39 PM To: Sundial List Subject: bad sundials Hello again; I hope I am not trying your patience with my endless questions. Today I am thinking about all of the mistakes that I have made in my thinking about sundial designs. The motions between the sun and earth are more complicated than I first thought. I wonder if lots of people make sundial mistakes? I wonder if there are lots of sundials around that contain mistakes? I wonder if there are any famous sundial blunders? thanks again; brent --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
On 12/03/2011 11:47, Jackie Jones wrote: Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials -- www.silversundials.co.uk http://www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don't women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50°50' 09 N.0°07' 40 W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? I'm at 51:52:40 N 0:35:40 W. I don't put this in my signature because it would not be appropriate for 99 % of my emails, and I don't know of a way to have a different signature for different recipients. -- -- Richard Mallett Eaton Bray, Dunstable South Beds. UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
