Re: paper sundial

[Thibaud Taudin-Chabot]

Thanks for the link.
I tried to save the location data after having 
been logged in. That didn't work (yet).

Thibaud

At 12:09 15-12-2011, Fabio nonvedolora wrote:

Hi all, news from the clouds.

I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
I don’t think this is the very last end of the 
year, like some Maya supposed, and this is a 
great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like 
the same Maya didn’t know) so I hope you have 
fun with this new section of Sundial Atlas.


You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of 
Gnomolab, directly at this address: 
www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
You will find 4 models, this number is growing 
and if you have other models to propose, I’ll 
be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.


The models may be setted for any coordinates and 
other features, you will get a pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass 
windows (you may found the declination of the 
windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic 
hole you can do with a pin or a small nail, 
moreover this model may be customed with a photo 
(or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but 
anyone may upload other photos (public or for personal use).


Have fun, ciao, Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)

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Re: paper sundial

[Fabio nonvedolora]

Hi Roger

Sundial Atlas has many functions and sections, it is growing and it works with 
four languages. For these reasons I am looking to get its mmands more 
intuitive, without written explanations or at least minimized. Obviously it 
isn’t easy and the matter is not simple to describe.
At the beginning of the year I restyled the layout and the graphic of the 
website for this purpose and I am planning another action at the beginning of 
2012. I have a list of points to do, it includes new developments, 
improvements, graphical enhancements and it is divided into sections according 
to the urgency or importance of the actions. A section is dedicated to the next 
restyle action and it contains all the suggestions and impressions you wrote me.
I thank you for your comments and I am grateful to anyone will help me with 
suggestions or criticism.

For this new section of Gnomlab, paper sundials, I give you some info.
In the right column you may click on the orange asterisk close to latitude to 
change the coordinates.
Another orange asterisk allows you to select UTC.
As an alternative you may switch to Gnomolab window, with a click on ‘Gnomolab’ 
in the right column. Here you may pan and zoom the map to find a location or 
you can use Geocoder to describe an address asking Google to find it (orange 
asterisk beside ‘search for an address). Switching back to ‘paper sundial’ 
(click the logo in the right column) you will transfer the values setted in 
Gnomolab.
In Gnomolab you can set the declination of a wall too. Above the map you’ll 
find some blu icons with the values 10, 1 and 0.1; clikking on them you’ll get 
revolving the red diameter of the goniometer to evaluate the declination of the 
buildings. The declination is transferred to ‘paper sundials’ too but it is 
shown only for the models where needed (at the moment only the model n.3).

The model n.3 allows to insert an image, logo or photo. You may use the 
available images or upload yours file (jpg or gif, max 2MB).
To upload an image you need to log-in, then click on the camera icon in the 
right column and you will get the upload window. With the upload you can choose 
if the image is public or personal. It is possible to change some settings 
after the upload (only for the files you have uploaded): select the photo then 
click on the down orange arrow to read its features, you will also find some 
icons to turn, delete or switch from public to personal or opposite.

For every model it is possible to set some features in the left side of the 
windows, then with a click on the ‘draw’ button, after few seconds (it depends 
on the complexity of your choices) you will get a pdf window with the paper 
sundial.

If you need any other info please contact me,

thank you, ciao, Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)

From: Roger Bailey 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:22 AM
To: Fabio nonvedolora ; sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: Re: paper sundial

Thank you Fabio.

I checked the link and found it quite useful but the use is not intuitive but 
subtle. A casual observer like me has no idea how to use the page to create a 
personal design. Many will click onto the link and then stall. It is not 
obvious how to get the program to respond. I found moving the cursor to the 
sunburst beside location data worked. There I could input my location. Look for 
the pointed finger cursor on the sunbursts. Entry your specific data to 
generate a design. Then click on the pdf drawing tab to see the design.
It works like a charm as you said. Thanks for this gift for the members of the 
sundial list.

Regards, Roger Bailey

From: Fabio nonvedolora 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:09 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: paper sundial

Hi all, news from the clouds.

I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya supposed, 
and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like the same Maya 
didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new section of Sundial Atlas.

You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this address: 
www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other models to 
propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.

The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you will get a 
pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may found the 
declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole you can 
do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed with a photo 
(or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but anyone may upload other photos 
(public or for personal use).

Have fun, ciao, Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)



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Re: paper sundial

[Jürgen Hoefeld]

Hi Fabio,

your program works fine and the results are marvelous.
I printed all 4 of them for my location, but I have to wait to try them out
because the sun is not shining today.

Thanks very much for this splendid idea.

Yours
Jürgen Hoefeld

2011/12/15 Fabio nonvedolora 

>   Hi all, news from the clouds.
>
> I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
> I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya
> supposed, and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like the
> same Maya didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new section of
> Sundial Atlas.
>
> You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this
> address: www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
> You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other
> models to propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.
>
> The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you will
> get a pdf as replay.
> The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may found
> the declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole
> you can do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed
> with a photo (or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but anyone may
> upload other photos (public or for personal use).
>
> Have fun, ciao, Fabio
>
> Fabio Savian
> Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
> 45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)
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Re: paper sundial

[Fabio nonvedolora]

Hi Thibaut

to save a location (with UTC, declination, text, title) you have to log-in, if 
logged you will see your email in the top right corner of the window, just 
below the flags.
After setted the values click on the ‘save’ button in right column, you’ll get 
a window to enter a title and a description text. It is needed to insert a 
title or you cannot save the data.
You will find a menu, below the ‘archive’ label, with the list of the titles 
saved. With a click on one of them you will load its data.
You can save or load the data from the archivie in every windows of Gnomolab: 
Gnomolab, solar compass and paper sundial.

Please contact me if you find difficulties to archive, I tested it now and it 
is ok.

Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)

From: Thibaud Taudin-Chabot 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:00 AM
To: Fabio nonvedolora ; sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: Re: paper sundial

Thanks for the link.
I tried to save the location data after having been logged in. That didn't work 
(yet).
Thibaud

At 12:09 15-12-2011, Fabio nonvedolora wrote:

  Hi all, news from the clouds.
   
  I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
  I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya 
supposed, and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like the same 
Maya didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new section of Sundial 
Atlas.
   
  You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this 
address: www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
  You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other models 
to propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.
   
  The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you will get 
a pdf as replay.
  The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may found the 
declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole you can 
do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed with a photo 
(or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but anyone may upload other photos 
(public or for personal use).
   
  Have fun, ciao, Fabio
   
  Fabio Savian
  Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
  45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)

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Re: paper sundial

[Thaddeus Weakley]

Thank you Fabio.
 
I would second Roger's comments regarding the "usability" to a casual user.  
Like Roger I had to do a bit of hunting - trial and error, but once I found the 
way to enter location data, it worked very well.  I share his concern that most 
wouldn't stick with it to figure it out and enjoy the reward of the final 
result.  That's besides the issue that many general users of course wouldn't be 
aware that this would be needed in the first place for sundial layout and 
reading.
 
Thank you again.
 
Cheers,
 
Thad Weakley
 
 

From: Roger Bailey 
To: Fabio nonvedolora ; sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:22:09 PM
Subject: Re: paper sundial


Thank you Fabio.
 
I checked the link and found it quite useful but the use is not intuitive but 
subtle. A casual observer like me has no idea how to use the page to create a 
personal design. Many will click onto the link and then stall. It is not 
obvious how to get the program to respond. I found moving the cursor to the 
sunburst beside location data worked. There I could input my location. Look for 
the pointed finger cursor on the sunbursts. Entry your specific data to 
generate a design. Then click on the pdf drawing tab to see the design.
It works like a charm as you said. Thanks for this gift for the members of the 
sundial list.
 
Regards, Roger Bailey


From: Fabio nonvedolora 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:09 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: paper sundial

Hi all, news from the clouds.

I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya supposed, 
and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like the same Maya 
didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new section of Sundial Atlas.

You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this address: 
www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other models to 
propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.

The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you will get a 
pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may found the 
declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole you can 
do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed with a photo 
(or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but anyone may upload other photos 
(public or for personal use).

Have fun, ciao, Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST 
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Re: paper sundial

[Yan Seiner]

Thank you!

It's a great toy.  As others have said, the usability is a bit of a 
problem but that's fine; I doubt the casual user could really figure out 
what they need in a sundial.  I would suggest a link to a lat-long map, 
or even a google maps interface that could let you generate a sundial by 
clicking on a map.


http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html

Thanks again!

Sundials packed in my luggage for a trip to see my relatives.  :-)


Fabio nonvedolora wrote:

Hi all, news from the clouds.
 
I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya 
supposed, and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like 
the same Maya didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new 
section of Sundial Atlas.
 
You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this 
address: www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3 

You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other 
models to propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.
 
The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you 
will get a pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may 
found the declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small 
gnomonic hole you can do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this 
model may be customed with a photo (or a logo). I uploaded some sample 
photos but anyone may upload other photos (public or for personal use).
 
Have fun, ciao, Fabio
 
Fabio Savian

Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)
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Re: Christmas Greetings

[Bill Gottesman]

Very nice.  -Bill Gottesman

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Kevin Karney  wrote:

> Dear Fellow Gnonomists
>
> The comes with greetings from Elizabeth and myself for a very blessed
> Christmas and a wish for the sunniest of days in 2012.
>
> The attachment is an intrinsic representation of the Equation of Time. An
> intrinsic curve is one in which equal increments of abscissa are found
> along the curve itself (rather than along a fixed axis - as in a
> normal cartesian graph). Plotting a graph in this way allows it to be
> folded - thus making a compact, but easily readable pictogram. You may
> recall Fred Sawyer's paper (NASS Compendium 12 iii) on the Bury St Edmunds
> dial - which inspired this re-design.
>
> The curve is 'accurate' for noon UTC, but you may like a copy of the graph
> for noon in your particular Time Zone, incorporating the longitude
> correction. If you would like a copy, then e-mail me with….
> 1) the name of your town/village
> 2) your latitude and longitude in degrees and minutes
> 3) the name of your time zone (e.g CET for Central European Time)
> 4) your time zone offset in hours (e.g +1 for CET or -8 for PST)
> 5) whether you print on A4 paper or US Letter
> The curves take me seconds to generate, if I get the info exactly in this
> format
>
> Best regards
> Kevin Karney
> Freedom Cottage, Llandogo, Monmouth NP25 4TP, Wales, UK
> 51° 44' N 2° 41' W Zone 0
> + 44 1594 530 595
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Re: paper sundial

[R Wall ML emails]

Yes, I gave up after 3 minutes trying to get it to work, it needs to be made 
user friendly. I’ll go back and see if I can make it work. 

Roderick Wall.

From: Thaddeus Weakley 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:00 AM
To: Roger Bailey ; Fabio nonvedolora ; sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: Re: paper sundial

Thank you Fabio.

I would second Roger's comments regarding the "usability" to a casual user.  
Like Roger I had to do a bit of hunting - trial and error, but once I found the 
way to enter location data, it worked very well.  I share his concern that most 
wouldn't stick with it to figure it out and enjoy the reward of the final 
result.  That's besides the issue that many general users of course wouldn't be 
aware that this would be needed in the first place for sundial layout and 
reading.

Thank you again.

Cheers,

Thad Weakley



From: Roger Bailey 
To: Fabio nonvedolora ; sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:22:09 PM
Subject: Re: paper sundial


Thank you Fabio.

I checked the link and found it quite useful but the use is not intuitive but 
subtle. A casual observer like me has no idea how to use the page to create a 
personal design. Many will click onto the link and then stall. It is not 
obvious how to get the program to respond. I found moving the cursor to the 
sunburst beside location data worked. There I could input my location. Look for 
the pointed finger cursor on the sunbursts. Entry your specific data to 
generate a design. Then click on the pdf drawing tab to see the design.
It works like a charm as you said. Thanks for this gift for the members of the 
sundial list.

Regards, Roger Bailey

From: Fabio nonvedolora 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:09 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: paper sundial

Hi all, news from the clouds.

I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya supposed, 
and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like the same Maya 
didn’t know) so I hope you have fun with this new section of Sundial Atlas.

You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this address: 
www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other models to 
propose, I’ll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.

The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you will get a 
pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may found the 
declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole you can 
do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed with a photo 
(or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but anyone may upload other photos 
(public or for personal use).

Have fun, ciao, Fabio

Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)
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Re: paper sundial

[Donald L Snyder]

Fabio,
Thanks for making this available.  Works OK for me.  Here is what I did:
step 1.  register or sign up to register
step 2.  click on "GnomoLab" in upper right corner.
step 3.  center the compass indicator on the location of the dial (by 
entering search address or navigating to the site)
step 4.  zoom in as needed and rotate the compass (using the blue tabs 
on the compass ring) to determine the declination
step 5.  click on the UTC button (right hand column) and select the UTC 
offset for  the location

step 6.  select "paper sundial" about half way down the right-hand column
step 7.  select dial type, color, etc.
step 8.  click on "draw pdf"
step 9.  print the dial
step 10. praise Fabio for a job well done.
 Don Snyder, St. Louis MO USA


On 12/15/2011 5:09 AM, Fabio nonvedolora wrote:

Hi all, news from the clouds.
I've a toy for the end of the year.
I don't think this is the very last end of the year, like some Maya 
supposed, and this is a great year, it is better than 2012 :-)  (like 
the same Maya didn't know) so I hope you have fun with this new 
section of Sundial Atlas.
You can reach 'paper sundial', a menu of Gnomolab, directly at this 
address: www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3 

You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you have other 
models to propose, I'll be happy to develop them in Gnomolab.
The models may be setted for any coordinates and other features, you 
will get a pdf as replay.
The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows (you may 
found the declination of the windows with Gnomolab). It has a small 
gnomonic hole you can do with a pin or a small nail, moreover this 
model may be customed with a photo (or a logo). I uploaded some sample 
photos but anyone may upload other photos (public or for personal use).

Have fun, ciao, Fabio
Fabio Savian
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)


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RE: paper sundial

[GINO SCHIAVONE]

Wonderful Fabio. Bravo!  I love this.
Thank you Donald. The map was very useful. Glad I stopped for instructions.
Gino SchiavoneThe Schiavone Studio1337 Gusdorf Road, Ste JTaos, NM 87571
575-758-7797575-613-0943

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:52:30 -0600
From: d...@ee.wustl.edu
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: paper sundial


  



  
  
Fabio,

Thanks for making this available.  Works OK for me.  Here is what I
did:

step 1.  register or sign up to register

step 2.  click on "GnomoLab" in upper right corner. 

step 3.  center the compass indicator on the location of the dial
(by entering search address or navigating to the site)

step 4.  zoom in as needed and rotate the compass (using the blue
tabs on the compass ring) to determine the declination

step 5.  click on the UTC button (right hand column) and select the
UTC offset for  the location

step 6.  select "paper sundial" about half way down the right-hand
column

step 7.  select dial type, color, etc.

step 8.  click on "draw pdf"

step 9.  print the dial

step 10. praise Fabio for a job well done.

 Don Snyder, St. Louis MO USA





On 12/15/2011 5:09 AM, Fabio nonvedolora wrote:

  

  Hi all, news from the clouds.
   
  I’ve a toy for the end of the year.
  I don’t think this is the very last end of the year, like
some Maya supposed, and this is a great year, it is better
than 2012 :-)  (like the same Maya didn’t know) so I hope
you have fun with this new section of Sundial Atlas.
   
  You can reach ‘paper sundial’, a menu of Gnomolab,
directly at this address: www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?gnomolab=3
  You will find 4 models, this number is growing and if you
have other models to propose, I’ll be happy to develop them
in Gnomolab.
   
  The models may be setted for any coordinates and other
features, you will get a pdf as replay.
  The 3rd model is designed to be applied to glass windows
(you may found the declination of the windows with
Gnomolab). It has a small gnomonic hole you can do with a
pin or a small nail, moreover this model may be customed
with a photo (or a logo). I uploaded some sample photos but
anyone may upload other photos (public or for personal use).
   
  Have fun, ciao, Fabio
   
  Fabio Savian

Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy

45° 34' 10'' N, 9° 10' 9'' E, GMT+1 (DST +2)

  
  

  
  

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