[freenet-support] Which Linux for freenet?
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] 2 questions - config?
hi! i'm a linux/freenet newbie (i had freenet for 2 weeks on XP previously). 2 questions 1. i ran ebuild /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild config and it downloaded all the files via HTTP and then ended with the usual gratulations BUT haven't asked me anything else after the HTTP downloads. i think it had to have had asked me for memory usage and threads and all that thrill, no? 2. i think i could get freenet working, but all the documentation suggests that there should be more lines in my conf file. isn't that so? GNU nano 1.3.7 File: /etc/freenet.conf ipAddress=.xxx.xxx listenPort= seedFile=/var/freenet/seednodes.ref logFile=/var/freenet/freenet.log storeFile=/var/freenet/store diagnosticsPath=/var/freenet/stats routingDir=/var/freenet nodeFile=/var/freenet/node thx for any input, -- -x maxigas Horizont Kutató Intézet / Horizon Research Institute / hi.zpok.hu indymedia.hu ak57/centrum ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
I think it is indifferent. Personally I have Debian. But any other distro would support Java, and Freenet needs only java. [Anon] Anon User ha scritto: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - it.scienza.chimica, 25/8/05: che differenza c'è tra molarità, molalità e moralità? con le prime due puoi descrivere un politico. [dp] http://blog.daniele.homelinux.org ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
daniele wrote: I think it is indifferent. Personally I have Debian. But any other distro would support Java, and Freenet needs only java. Yep, Mandrake 10.1 here and no worries. [Anon] Anon User ha scritto: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
Debian doesn't include Sun Java - you have to either use Kaffee or some other free implementation, or use the java-package package to re-package the Sun packages into .deb packages. java-package is in contrib, which Debian won't use by default. Overall, it's a little hairy and confusing - it's not a works-out-of-the-box thing. As I understand it, Freenet uses lots of features of Java that Kaffee either doesn't have or doesn't have a mature implementation of, and so Sun Java will probably make your life a lot easier. I'm not sure if Freenet will even run under Kaffee at all (getting this working is apparently one of the goals of the 0.7 rewrite). So I would have said that a distribution that includes Sun Java out of the box would make your life somewhat easier. Having said that though, I'm using Sun Java under Debian, and it wasn't all that painful. Alex R. Mosteo wrote: daniele wrote: I think it is indifferent. Personally I have Debian. But any other distro would support Java, and Freenet needs only java. Yep, Mandrake 10.1 here and no worries. [Anon] Anon User ha scritto: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
Well, maybe I'm too much mswin-like in my approach to app installation... I downloaded Java 1.5 for linux from Java.com and executed it!!! At the end, I had java installed... magic? I didn't ever know there were a contrib package of java... didn't ever searched it. (while I know of koffee problems) Matthew Exon ha scritto: Debian doesn't include Sun Java - you have to either use Kaffee or some other free implementation, or use the java-package package to re-package the Sun packages into .deb packages. java-package is in contrib, which Debian won't use by default. Overall, it's a little hairy and confusing - it's not a works-out-of-the-box thing. As I understand it, Freenet uses lots of features of Java that Kaffee either doesn't have or doesn't have a mature implementation of, and so Sun Java will probably make your life a lot easier. I'm not sure if Freenet will even run under Kaffee at all (getting this working is apparently one of the goals of the 0.7 rewrite). So I would have said that a distribution that includes Sun Java out of the box would make your life somewhat easier. Having said that though, I'm using Sun Java under Debian, and it wasn't all that painful. Alex R. Mosteo wrote: daniele wrote: I think it is indifferent. Personally I have Debian. But any other distro would support Java, and Freenet needs only java. Yep, Mandrake 10.1 here and no worries. [Anon] Anon User ha scritto: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - it.scienza.chimica, 25/8/05: che differenza c'è tra molarità, molalità e moralità? con le prime due puoi descrivere un politico. [dp] http://blog.daniele.homelinux.org ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
daniele wrote: Well, maybe I'm too much mswin-like in my approach to app installation... I downloaded Java 1.5 for linux from Java.com and executed it!!! At the end, I had java installed... magic? I didn't ever know there were a contrib package of java... didn't ever searched it. And I'm probably paranoid and nitpicky. I don't ever let programs use their own installer, because you can never reliably uninstall them again. Then you get bits of old files left on your system that get in the way of new things you're trying to install. For example, it dumps an executable called java somewhere. Then you install another program that wants Kaffee, so it automatically installs that. But then when it tries to run Kaffee java it ends up running the leftover Sun version instead of the Kaffee version. Or it runs the Kaffee executable with Sun's configuration files. Sorting the mess out is painful - and this kind of thing has happened to me a *lot* over the years :-( It's a particular problem for Linux because programs tend to spread themselves all over the system when they install, instead of just sticking themselves in a single directory. Also Linux software doesn't come with its own uninstaller like Windows software - you have to rely on the OS. And the OS won't uninstall something unless it installed it in the first place. So yeah, the Sun installer is the easiest way to go. But my recommendation to a new Debian user would be to avoid future pain by sticking to the Debian-approved way of doing things whenever possible. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
The sun installer will install java where you say it to install. I've installed it in /opt/java. Then symbolic linked the executables I needs in /usr/local/bin. A new version of java? I'll remove the directory /opt/java and redo the installation. If the internal tree of the java distribution is the same (with java in ./bin/), then also symbolic links will remain active in /usr/local/bin. Basically, when it comes out a new java distro, I'll go to /opt and run the installer... :) (at least, you can make a collective symlink on all ./bin files from /usr/local/bin, if you want to be 100% sure there is all you need) I know that a symbolic link is an amazon mythological creature for a mswin-only user, but if you use linux it should just be a more powerful way to do a link. Matthew Exon ha scritto: daniele wrote: Well, maybe I'm too much mswin-like in my approach to app installation... I downloaded Java 1.5 for linux from Java.com and executed it!!! At the end, I had java installed... magic? I didn't ever know there were a contrib package of java... didn't ever searched it. And I'm probably paranoid and nitpicky. I don't ever let programs use their own installer, because you can never reliably uninstall them again. Then you get bits of old files left on your system that get in the way of new things you're trying to install. For example, it dumps an executable called java somewhere. Then you install another program that wants Kaffee, so it automatically installs that. But then when it tries to run Kaffee java it ends up running the leftover Sun version instead of the Kaffee version. Or it runs the Kaffee executable with Sun's configuration files. Sorting the mess out is painful - and this kind of thing has happened to me a *lot* over the years :-( It's a particular problem for Linux because programs tend to spread themselves all over the system when they install, instead of just sticking themselves in a single directory. Also Linux software doesn't come with its own uninstaller like Windows software - you have to rely on the OS. And the OS won't uninstall something unless it installed it in the first place. So yeah, the Sun installer is the easiest way to go. But my recommendation to a new Debian user would be to avoid future pain by sticking to the Debian-approved way of doing things whenever possible. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - it.scienza.chimica, 25/8/05: che differenza c'è tra molarità, molalità e moralità? con le prime due puoi descrivere un politico. [dp] http://blog.daniele.homelinux.org ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
daniele wrote: The sun installer will install java where you say it to install. I've installed it in /opt/java. Then symbolic linked the executables I needs in /usr/local/bin. A new version of java? I'll remove the directory /opt/java and redo the installation. If the internal tree of the java distribution is the same (with java in ./bin/), then also symbolic links will remain active in /usr/local/bin. Basically, when it comes out a new java distro, I'll go to /opt and run the installer... :) (at least, you can make a collective symlink on all ./bin files from /usr/local/bin, if you want to be 100% sure there is all you need) I know that a symbolic link is an amazon mythological creature for a mswin-only user, but if you use linux it should just be a more powerful way to do a link. Right, so the last thing a brand-new Debian user wants is to have to figure out which directory it should go in, or how to make a symbolic link, or understand why all their executables have to be in the same directory. The distribution should be taking care of all of that. My experience is that I always end up installing the new version of X a year and a half after I've forgotten that I installed the old version at all, let alone remember which directory I put it in or where I symlinked it to. Worst of all is the side effects from weird interactions from software that I'd never even expect would be relevant. Like, I install a new text editor and I don't even realise it's installing Kaffee, thus clobbering Sun Java, thus clobbering Freenet, which crashes with some indecipherable error message. I've been using Debian many years now, and the more I understand it the less I want to fool around under the hood. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Which Linux for freenet?
hi! i am also a linux/freenet newbie who tried freenet before on windows. i found it all so conforting that Gentoo Linux has BOTH Sun/Blackdown Java AND Freenet amongst the distro 'packages', so after you have a running linux box (with a permament IP address!) you just have to type: emerge freenet ..and it will put up java and freenet and all with that one line. i think therefore Gentoo is the best distro for freenet. :) maxigas On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:38:19 -0500 (CDT), [Anon] Anon User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? Thanks -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -x maxigas Horizont Kutató Intézet / Horizon Research Institute / hi.zpok.hu indymedia.hu ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
[Anon] Anon User [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext It sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but I'm currently on windows and am giving serious thought and study time to at minimum switching to a windows - - linux dual boot arrangment. So far I'm leaning toward either Debian or Mandriva, does freenet prefer one better than the other? Or does it matter much if it's one of the 'mainstream' distro's? As others have said, the exact distro doesn't matter much to freenet and it will be possible to get it working one way or another. If you're new to Linux and are going to be using it as a desktop, your first priority should be choosing one that's relatively easy to use / manage. I'd recommend looking at Ubuntu (or kUbuntu which uses KDE and is therefore a bit more windows-like), Fedora Core and similar. For what it's worth I installed Ubuntu a few months ago for a Linux neophyte friend who was sick of his XP constantly being pwned no matter how careful he was, and am pleasantly suprised that he actually likes it, has commented how much easier various things are on it vs. windows, and somehow still hasn't got around to reinstalling XP as dual boot :) Admittedly I did help configure it for him, e.g. as per http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (the default install is 100% pure Free software) and stuff like installing all the suggested packages for k3b to give it its full impressive range of ninja powers. Anyway if you make use of all the FAQs and helpful forums out there I'm sure you could manage. I have used Debian for a dedicated node successfully, via a manual Sun jre and freenet install. Apparently it's OK as a desktop, but I'm pretty sure Ubuntu does things better from a new user's perspective - it's based on Debian anyway so you still get apt-get etcetera. Currently I use Gentoo, with freenet manually installed although it does have a package for it. Unlike the guy downthread though (unless he was joking) I would absolutely _NOT_ recommend Gentoo to a new user or any normal user who doesn't want to tweak their OS. It's a hardcore everything-is-configurable nerd distro. How nerdy? Well IIRC they only just made an installer for it, up till then you got a root shell and an instructions.txt and had to do everything manually :) Bob ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: 2 questions - config?
maxigas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi! i'm a linux/freenet newbie (i had freenet for 2 weeks on XP previously). 2 questions 1. i ran ebuild /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild config and it downloaded all the files via HTTP and then ended with the usual gratulations BUT haven't asked me anything else after the HTTP downloads. i think it had to have had asked me for memory usage and threads and all that thrill, no? I've never used the ebuild personally, but that sounds like it should work. 2. i think i could get freenet working, but all the documentation suggests that there should be more lines in my conf file. isn't that so? GNU nano 1.3.7 File: /etc/freenet.conf ipAddress=.xxx.xxx listenPort= seedFile=/var/freenet/seednodes.ref logFile=/var/freenet/freenet.log storeFile=/var/freenet/store diagnosticsPath=/var/freenet/stats routingDir=/var/freenet nodeFile=/var/freenet/node thx for any input, Yes, freenet.conf should have rather more in it than that : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/freenet $ wc -l freenet.conf 865 freenet.conf Personally I would unmerge the ebuild and just download a tarball (http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz), unzip it somewhere, then you should be able to generate a full configuration the 'normal' freenet way. Stop the node if it's running, delete or rename your freenet.conf then run ./start-freenet.sh and answer the prompts. Be aware it might take a while to carry on after the first couple of questions (because it has to start freenet in a special configuration mode). Good luck, Bob ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Which Linux for freenet?
Bob wrote: I'd recommend looking at Ubuntu (or kUbuntu which uses KDE and is therefore a bit more windows-like), Fedora Core and similar. As far as Java goes, Ubuntu doesn't come with Java out of the box, although there are at least some fairly clear instructions for installing it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto Fedora Core doesn't either. It comes with some scary-looking warnings about what can go wrong if you try to install it the wrong way, and terrible instructions: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc4/#id2503931 ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
