Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Friday 18 Feb 2011 15:04:00 Dennis Nezic wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:34:46 +0100, folkert wrote: > > > > > Odd: I always get a password error. > > > > > > > > There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a > > > > username containing a "-", even though accounts can be created > > > > with those names. > > > > > > Aah ok, that indeed is then the issue. > > > > That was one of the issues. The other was an incorrect hostname and > > portnumber for FCP. > > So my freemail address is: folk...@vanheusden.com.freemail > > (Just a side note, IMHO short freemail addresses are a bug, and > shouldn't be allowed in future versions. They are trivial to spoof, and > increase the odds that things won't work (by having another rare (KSK) > key to fetch.)) Are they in fact trivial to spoof though? It depends on how old the KSK is; the next version of Freemail will reinsert it (regularly? zidel?) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Monday 21 Feb 2011 07:37:00 Volodya wrote: > >>> There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS, > >>> Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :). > >> > >> I looked at it but I find it a little tricky: it seems it not only > >> downloads the headers of the postings but the content as well. That way it > >> also downloads all kinds of kiddy porn which, of course, I don't want to > >> have. > > > > Not true. At worst it downloads messages containing links to all kinds of > > evil content - if said messages are posted by people who are visible on your > > WoT. (I.e. have positive message trust). > > > > HOWEVER, Frost DOES at least potentially download actual evil content: an > > anonymous spammer can force all Frost users subscribed to a board to > > download > > any CHKs he wants. Frost is seriously broken. > > Not strictly true. If we are talking about US/Britain then text story can be > classified as 'child pornography' (or 'kiddy porn' as it was called above). In theory yes but a few stories isn't "all kinds of kiddy porn". /me wonders whether borrowing a certain book starting with the letter L from your public library will get you added to some sort of paedophile watchlist ... > As > such any software that is used to communicate can be forced to download child > pornography without your knowledge. There may have been cases (which IMHO are very doubtful constitutionally, but IANAL) in some countries where text has been held to be child porn however IMHO pictures and videos of actual abuse are what people are talking about when they say things like the above. They're certainly what I'd be concerned with. I don't think that sharing stories featuring child sex abuse is a particularly healthy activity and I seriously doubt that it helps paedophiles to get by without the real thing, but materials derived from actual abuse are what really matters. > In fact the very e-mail client you are using > can be abused in such a way. Imagine the scenario where somebody signs up to > this e-mail list and posts pornographic story involving somebody who can be > argued to be under the age of 18, your client will download this (it has no > way > to contact a lawyer before downloading each message). It's the same as any other offensive spam. Whenever a spam gets through lots of people unsubscribe, but it's rare and moderating every post (or even every new poster) is not realistic. > > Frost currently uses an old system (that is going to change) which does allow > an > attacker to post small bits of any files as a message. Theoretically you will > be > downloading, although frost won't recognise such file as a valid message in > the > end. That was one of the ways that attacks were done on Frost. The intention > currently seems to be to allow frost to communicate via Freetalk mechanisms. With WoT/Freetalk/FMS, an attacker can still post CHKs. The difference is that on Frost he can flood the whole board with bogus messages and every Frost user subscribed to that board will download the messages (at least until it reaches the red-board anti-DoS message count limit). Whereas on a WoT-based app, you simply stop listening to that identity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >>> There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS, >>> Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :). >> >> I looked at it but I find it a little tricky: it seems it not only >> downloads the headers of the postings but the content as well. That way it >> also downloads all kinds of kiddy porn which, of course, I don't want to >> have. > > Not true. At worst it downloads messages containing links to all kinds of > evil content - if said messages are posted by people who are visible on your > WoT. (I.e. have positive message trust). > > HOWEVER, Frost DOES at least potentially download actual evil content: an > anonymous spammer can force all Frost users subscribed to a board to download > any CHKs he wants. Frost is seriously broken. Not strictly true. If we are talking about US/Britain then text story can be classified as 'child pornography' (or 'kiddy porn' as it was called above). As such any software that is used to communicate can be forced to download child pornography without your knowledge. In fact the very e-mail client you are using can be abused in such a way. Imagine the scenario where somebody signs up to this e-mail list and posts pornographic story involving somebody who can be argued to be under the age of 18, your client will download this (it has no way to contact a lawyer before downloading each message). Frost currently uses an old system (that is going to change) which does allow an attacker to post small bits of any files as a message. Theoretically you will be downloading, although frost won't recognise such file as a valid message in the end. That was one of the ways that attacks were done on Frost. The intention currently seems to be to allow frost to communicate via Freetalk mechanisms. - Volodya - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNYhYQAAoJENW9VI+wmYasJicH/0l46+5e7F2Ai1aHkVqDIycp lC9pfGW1/JaGoGikkXQ+IeCLuQgmfwKl27JSlUOd2Wyxp8V9hSmd+ndEr136Jgbt nQ0/7UVYx0NK3sK8M6xj12fXsH4GZYqNggzo0CtNdrhq5SK8G/y/xBC2mY1WcueR +GtO55yQc4tYEaiX9oAPHrb2x9M3/lKZSDqXb3KqS15sxYHE5ALwgfLx70Enq9A2 Tflb1NJxifuDr9aAlGKZi9HqpeEV6CBA5gtX9YlY6Z1xc5XByrYvDNmqvsYYIo7m 2I0XgxcpVIFgcW6xYoCiOXcq5G579t2wzTk2ysLjBMuWrM/+VFOQXgNETJIf2Cc= =n/Dt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:34:46 +0100, folkert wrote: > > > > Odd: I always get a password error. > > > > > > There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a > > > username containing a "-", even though accounts can be created > > > with those names. > > > > Aah ok, that indeed is then the issue. > > That was one of the issues. The other was an incorrect hostname and > portnumber for FCP. > So my freemail address is: folk...@vanheusden.com.freemail (Just a side note, IMHO short freemail addresses are a bug, and shouldn't be allowed in future versions. They are trivial to spoof, and increase the odds that things won't work (by having another rare (KSK) key to fetch.)) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> > > Odd: I always get a password error. > > > > There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a > > username containing a "-", even though accounts can be created with > > those names. > > Aah ok, that indeed is then the issue. That was one of the issues. The other was an incorrect hostname and portnumber for FCP. So my freemail address is: folk...@vanheusden.com.freemail Folkert van Heusden -- Multi tail barnamaj mowahib li mora9abat attasjilat wa nataij awamir al 7asoub. damj, talwin, mora9abat attarchi7 wa ila akhirih. http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/ -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> > Odd: I always get a password error. > > There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a > username containing a "-", even though accounts can be created with > those names. Aah ok, that indeed is then the issue. Folkert van Heusden -- Multitail - gibkaja utilita po sledovaniju log-fajlov i vyvoda kommand. Fil'trovanie, raskraivanie, slijanie, vizual'noe sravnenie, i t.d. http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/ -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:10:17 folkert wrote: > Odd: I always get a password error. There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a username containing a "-", even though accounts can be created with those names. There is also another bug[1] that affects at least Evolution, and probably many more clients (Thunderbird is unaffected, but has other problems...). [0] https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=4745 [1] https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=4421 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:10:17 +0100, folkert wrote:
> > > > I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are
> > > > originally stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you
> > > > manage to connect to it.
> > >
> > > Connecting to it is challenging. Evolution refuses it, mutt too.
> > >
> > > set imap_user="myusername"
> > > set spoolfile={172.29.0.1:3143}INBOX
> > > set folder={172.29.0.1:3143}~/mail
> > Those spoolfile and folder values look a little funny to me. I think
> > they should be something like
> > set spoolfile=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX
> > set record=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX.Trash
>
> Odd: I always get a password error.
That's progress :). The password is whatever you set it to when you
created your Freemail account. (It is listed in Freemail's
data/myusername/accprops file, as an md5 hash. You can verify you have
the right one, or hack in a new one :p, by: "echo -n 'mypwd' | md5sum".)
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Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Wednesday 16 Feb 2011 12:10:17 folkert wrote:
> > > > I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are
> > > > originally stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you
> > > > manage to connect to it.
> > >
> > > Connecting to it is challenging. Evolution refuses it, mutt too.
> > >
> > > set imap_user="myusername"
> > > set spoolfile={172.29.0.1:3143}INBOX
> > > set folder={172.29.0.1:3143}~/mail
> > Those spoolfile and folder values look a little funny to me. I think
> > they should be something like
> > set spoolfile=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX
> > set record=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX.Trash
>
> Odd: I always get a password error.
>
> > > How does the freenet forum work?
> >
> > There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS,
> > Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :).
>
> I looked at it but I find it a little tricky: it seems it not only
> downloads the headers of the postings but the content as well. That way
> it also downloads all kinds of kiddy porn which, of course, I don't want
> to have.
Not true. At worst it downloads messages containing links to all kinds of evil
content - if said messages are posted by people who are visible on your WoT.
(I.e. have positive message trust).
HOWEVER, Frost DOES at least potentially download actual evil content: an
anonymous spammer can force all Frost users subscribed to a board to download
any CHKs he wants. Frost is seriously broken.
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Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> > > I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are
> > > originally stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you
> > > manage to connect to it.
> >
> > Connecting to it is challenging. Evolution refuses it, mutt too.
> >
> > set imap_user="myusername"
> > set spoolfile={172.29.0.1:3143}INBOX
> > set folder={172.29.0.1:3143}~/mail
> Those spoolfile and folder values look a little funny to me. I think
> they should be something like
> set spoolfile=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX
> set record=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX.Trash
Odd: I always get a password error.
> > How does the freenet forum work?
>
> There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS,
> Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :).
I looked at it but I find it a little tricky: it seems it not only
downloads the headers of the postings but the content as well. That way
it also downloads all kinds of kiddy porn which, of course, I don't want
to have.
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Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:01:59 +0100, folkert wrote:
> > > I've got a couple of questions:
> > > 1. when creating an e-mail account, it always says it cannot
> > > create the short address. so what is then my freenet e-mail
> > > address?
> >
> > I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are
> > originally stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you
> > manage to connect to it.
>
> Connecting to it is challenging. Evolution refuses it, mutt too.
>
> set imap_user="myusername"
> set spoolfile={172.29.0.1:3143}INBOX
> set folder={172.29.0.1:3143}~/mail
Those spoolfile and folder values look a little funny to me. I think
they should be something like
set spoolfile=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX
set record=imap://127.0.0.1/INBOX.Trash
(Assuming you're running Freemail locally, or have a local ssh tunnel
to it. You can't use other ip-addresses because Freemail by default
binds only to 127.0.0.1, as set in it's "globalconfig" file. For good
reason! :p)
(You also probably need to set smtp_url.)
> > > 2. maybe it is nice to have some kind of address directory in
> > > which one can register his/her address together with some
> > > (personal- or other) info. maybe with a picture or so. whatever.
> >
> > Great idea!
>
> No idea how to implement that de-centralized. Also you don't want to
> depend on 1 server keeping it up-to-date.
One way might be to have a spider, or person, collect vcard or any
other kind of information from freesites / freetalk/fms forums / etc,
and then make a freesite-directory :).
> How does the freenet forum work?
There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS,
Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :).
> > > 4. maybe it is an idea to add a list of listening ports to the
> > > 'list of plugins'-page
> > You mean the ports that plugins (like Freemail) might use?
>
> Correct!
Good idea. In the meantime, you can run "netstat -pna | grep java",
assuming Freenet is the only java app running.
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Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> > I've got a couple of questions:
> > 1. when creating an e-mail account, it always says it cannot create
> > the short address. so what is then my freenet e-mail address?
>
> I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are originally
> stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you manage to connect
> to it.
Connecting to it is challenging. Evolution refuses it, mutt too.
set imap_user="myusername"
set spoolfile={172.29.0.1:3143}INBOX
set folder={172.29.0.1:3143}~/mail
If i look directly in the mail spooldir, i see that it created the user
'myusername@null', so something weird happens
> > 2. maybe it is nice to have some kind of address directory in which
> > one can register his/her address together with some (personal- or
> > other) info. maybe with a picture or so. whatever.
>
> Great idea!
No idea how to implement that de-centralized. Also you don't want to
depend on 1 server keeping it up-to-date.
How does the freenet forum work?
> > 4. maybe it is an idea to add a list of listening ports to the 'list
> > of plugins'-page
> You mean the ports that plugins (like Freemail) might use?
Correct!
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Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> > 6. let freenet-software NOT write files elsewhere but only under the > >current directory. e.g. jSite generates a ~/.jSite/ file but I prefer > >to have everything in one place (e.g. a mounted usb-key) if possible > there are two generic solutions for this: > 1.) Mount the USB stick to ~/.jSite/ (as root or add an entry > to /etc/fstab) > 2.) Set a symbolic link. I assume /media/jsite-stick/ is your mounted > USB-stick: (not tested!) Indeed that is a solution. But my point is that in my opinion freenet apps should not go and put all kinds of data everywhere: that way it is very easy to quickly remove the whole freenet-and-friends setup in case of an emergency. I realise that deleting doesn't clear the disk-blocks, but one could use one of those "safe delete"-tools for that. Folkert van Heusden -- -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:52:29 +0100, folkert wrote: > I've got a couple of questions: > 1. when creating an e-mail account, it always says it cannot create > the short address. so what is then my freenet e-mail address? I believe the long address (and possibly short address) are originally stored in the Inbox of Freemail's imap server, if you manage to connect to it. Alternatively, you can derive it from the mailsite.pubkey value in your Freemail's data/UNAME/accprops file, specifically the base32 encoding of that pubkey (the stuff after @ and before /). > 2. maybe it is nice to have some kind of address directory in which > one can register his/her address together with some (personal- or > other) info. maybe with a picture or so. whatever. Great idea! > 3. i've installed the snmp plugin; how can i reach it? is it usable > for mrtg graphing? > 3.1 if not; maybe add something that logs the amount of traffic > generated: traffic initiated by local user(s) and traffic from > "outside" I think snmp is more geared towards polling common system values. Mrtg alone can be used to poll your own custom script that can check fproxy's stats page, to monitor your bandwidth / et cetera (It can either poll freenet's pre-calculated rate, or derive it from the total data transferred values). Mrtg alone can also be used to monitor the traffic on your network device as a whole. > 4. maybe it is an idea to add a list of listening ports to the 'list > of plugins'-page You mean the ports that plugins (like Freemail) might use? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Tuesday 15 February 2011 18:40:46 folkert wrote: > 6. let freenet-software NOT write files elsewhere but only under the >current directory. e.g. jSite generates a ~/.jSite/ file but I prefer >to have everything in one place (e.g. a mounted usb-key) if possible a) The Freenet Project, Inc. has nothing to do with jSite, I am solely responsible for it. b) jSite supports command-line parameters. # java -jar jSite.jar --help will give you details. There is an option that lets you specify the configuration file jSite will use. > Folkert David signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi, there are two generic solutions for this: 1.) Mount the USB stick to ~/.jSite/ (as root or add an entry to /etc/fstab) 2.) Set a symbolic link. I assume /media/jsite-stick/ is your mounted USB-stick: (not tested!) mkdir /media/jsite-stick/jsite/ mv -v ~/.jSite/* /media/jsite-stick/jsite/ rmdir ~/.jSite/ ln -s /media/jsite-stick/jsite/ ~/.jSite Roland On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 18:40 +0100, folkert wrote: > > I've got a couple of questions: > ... > >laptop or maybe my internet went down > > 6. let freenet-software NOT write files elsewhere but only under the >current directory. e.g. jSite generates a ~/.jSite/ file but I prefer >to have everything in one place (e.g. a mounted usb-key) if possible > > > Folkert > signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
> I've got a couple of questions: ... >laptop or maybe my internet went down 6. let freenet-software NOT write files elsewhere but only under the current directory. e.g. jSite generates a ~/.jSite/ file but I prefer to have everything in one place (e.g. a mounted usb-key) if possible Folkert -- -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] couple of questions
Hi, I've got a couple of questions: 1. when creating an e-mail account, it always says it cannot create the short address. so what is then my freenet e-mail address? 2. maybe it is nice to have some kind of address directory in which one can register his/her address together with some (personal- or other) info. maybe with a picture or so. whatever. 3. i've installed the snmp plugin; how can i reach it? is it usable for mrtg graphing? 3.1 if not; maybe add something that logs the amount of traffic generated: traffic initiated by local user(s) and traffic from "outside" 4. maybe it is an idea to add a list of listening ports to the 'list of plugins'-page 5. add a 'resume upload' option to jSite: when uploading large sites i frequently need to stop and restart because I need to switch off my laptop or maybe my internet went down Folkert -- -- Phone: +31-6-41278122, PGP-key: 1F28D8AE, www.vanheusden.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
