Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:21:31AM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 2004, Toad wrote: > > > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > > >=20 > > > And to further the mail objection against having to use my ISP's mailer > > > to talk to *this* list is that Shaw in theory can now look at my mail > > > traffic and if they don't like the Freenet project, could suspend my > > > internet account in a similar manner to how PayPal suspended yours. > > >=20 > > > Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from > > > subscribed members only. Having to go thru the ISP mail server is a MAJOR > > > privacy concern for me (I know from sysadmin experience that they can look > > > at any mail passing thru their server at any time). > > > What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo > > would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be > > slightly more likely to be held... > > I thought I posted the text of the failure message. It reports as > 'service unavailable' and directs dul.sorbs.net hitting on my MTA's IP as > the cause (again I normally don't smarthost thru my ISP due to privacy > concerns) but I've had to switch. The mailing list has only recently > started doing this; I used to be able to post here. I've taken sorbs out of the list of blacklists used by dodo. > > I'll try again with smarthosting off and if it bounces again I'll post the > bounce reply exported to a text message with full headers. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
> > What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo > > would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be > > slightly more likely to be held... > > It seems dodo is using the blacklist server SORBS (www.dnsbl.sorbs.net). This definately will discard messages from a majority of hobbyist residential internet sites (read: cannot afford business accounts which offer static IP addressing) running their own MTAs. > If you click on the "Check Entry" button on this page, you > will find the reason for rejection. I know all about SORBS and its overzealous blocking policy. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Toad wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > >=20 > > And to further the mail objection against having to use my ISP's mailer > > to talk to *this* list is that Shaw in theory can now look at my mail > > traffic and if they don't like the Freenet project, could suspend my > > internet account in a similar manner to how PayPal suspended yours. > >=20 > > Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from > > subscribed members only. Having to go thru the ISP mail server is a MAJOR > > privacy concern for me (I know from sysadmin experience that they can look > > at any mail passing thru their server at any time). > What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo > would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be > slightly more likely to be held... I thought I posted the text of the failure message. It reports as 'service unavailable' and directs dul.sorbs.net hitting on my MTA's IP as the cause (again I normally don't smarthost thru my ISP due to privacy concerns) but I've had to switch. The mailing list has only recently started doing this; I used to be able to post here. I'll try again with smarthosting off and if it bounces again I'll post the bounce reply exported to a text message with full headers. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 11:17, Toad wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > > Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from > > subscribed members only. Having to go thru the ISP mail server is a MAJOR > > privacy concern for me (I know from sysadmin experience that they can look > > at any mail passing thru their server at any time). > > What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo > would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be > slightly more likely to be held... It seems dodo is using the blacklist server SORBS (www.dnsbl.sorbs.net). If you click on the "Check Entry" button on this page, you will find the reason for rejection. http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.71.255.81 The above link came from an earlier message in another thread: [freenet-support] (fwd) Re: paypal (Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details) >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (reason: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [24.71.255.81] blocked using dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Dynamic IP Address See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.71.255.81) My IP is not listed as dynamic which is why I don't see the problem. I have a small ISP. -- Ed Huff signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > > And to further the mail objection against having to use my ISP's mailer > to talk to *this* list is that Shaw in theory can now look at my mail > traffic and if they don't like the Freenet project, could suspend my > internet account in a similar manner to how PayPal suspended yours. > > Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from > subscribed members only. Having to go thru the ISP mail server is a MAJOR > privacy concern for me (I know from sysadmin experience that they can look > at any mail passing thru their server at any time). What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be slightly more likely to be held... > > Just remember every ISP you're forcing subscribers to send their mail > through may be the next 'PayPal'. > > Also note that you have an identity of the sender (they subscribed after > all) so if you get a spam from a subscriber you know who to tar and > feather so there's no reason to use the overzealous IP blocking services > on mailing list subscribers. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:53, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from > subscribed members only. Testing to see if I can send mail in. My email is hosted on my own server. I have a "send permitted from" record in the DNS for my domain. Nothing goes through my ISP's mail server, but since traffic on port 25 is unencrypted, they can read my mail anyway. They can also find out that I run a freenet node by running one themselves and looking at the IP numbers they collect. I know the IP's of over 1000 freenet nodes. -- Ed Huff signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
