[pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Boiteux
Hello PfSense masters,

  I'm using successfully PfSense to manage the access of a wifi network
providing Internet to my village. At now, we have a simple setup on
the LAN side where all backbone network (antennas) and connected
people shares the same subnet, for ex : 192.168.1.0/24 :

 WanLan,)Ant -- client 1
DSL Line --- PF  Ant(-  -)Ant -- Ant(- -)Ant -- client 2
   `)Ant -- client 3

The antennas have a static IP address, and PfSense is giving dynamic
ones to clients through DHCP server.

We'd like to separate IPs of bacbone antennas from client ones, for
example 192.168.1.0/24 for antennas and  192.168.2.0/24 for
people. How this could be done ? At first, I thought about adding a
second IP on the LAN interface, but I didn't found how to do this in
the web gui, and looking at the PfSense's archives, it looks like it's
not supported (perhaps a design choice ?).

  As we use an Alix 2d3 board with 3 ethernet interfaces, there is one
free at now : could we use this OPT interface to manage backbone
network, with an address in its subnet 192.168.1.0/24, and put an
address from 192.168.2.0/24 subnet on the LAN interface to serve
clients, provided these two LAN and OPT will be connected through a
switch to the first antenna of the backbone where all traffic is
passing ?

  Thanks for any remark or suggestion about this scheme,

   With regards,
Fred.

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread Seth Mos

Hi,


   As we use an Alix 2d3 board with 3 ethernet interfaces, there is one
free at now : could we use this OPT interface to manage backbone
network, with an address in its subnet 192.168.1.0/24, and put an
address from 192.168.2.0/24 subnet on the LAN interface to serve
clients, provided these two LAN and OPT will be connected through a
switch to the first antenna of the backbone where all traffic is
passing ?


I think you want a managed switch that has vlan support. You can then 
use the 3rd port on the alix for connecting all the vlans.


Regards,

Seth

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[pfSense Support] simultaneous client connection

2010-11-18 Thread Javier Marcon Servilink Web Hosting
Hello, setting simultaneous client connection limit allows you to 
restrict the number of parallel connections to a server per client IP 
address or client address block? When the limit is reached, it filters 
all the new connections from that ip or it blocks all connections from 
that ip, or it blocks all connections that matches the rule?


Thanks,

Javier.

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Re: [pfSense Support] qVoIP not working

2010-11-18 Thread Cyril Jaquier



I have a VoIP phone (Siemens S685IP) with the IP 192.168.1.103. I used
the traffic shaper wizard to setup some queues. However, nothing seems
to flow into the qVoIP during VoIP calls (the traffic seems to go into
qDefault). I tried to modified the rule, using the IP address instead of
the alias, enabling the Quick option but without success.



Seems like floating rules do not working when using NAT!? I added 1 rule 
in LAN and 1 rule in WAN and it seems to work now. Can someone explain 
me when are floating rules evaluated?




By the way, if I choose to prioritize DNS in the wizard, the traffic
to/from (I didn't look further into this issue) my ISP's DNS servers is
blocked!?



Am I the only one to have this issue?

Regards,
Cyril

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Boiteux
Le Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:10:18 +0100,
Seth Mos seth@dds.nl a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 As we use an Alix 2d3 board with 3 ethernet interfaces, there is
  one free at now : could we use this OPT interface to manage backbone
  network, with an address in its subnet 192.168.1.0/24, and put an
  address from 192.168.2.0/24 subnet on the LAN interface to serve
  clients, provided these two LAN and OPT will be connected through a
  switch to the first antenna of the backbone where all traffic is
  passing ?
 
 I think you want a managed switch that has vlan support. You can then 
 use the 3rd port on the alix for connecting all the vlans.

The different LAN subnets' trafic aren't VLAN tagged, and all traffic
comes from one Ethernet port (from the nearest antenna), so I don't
understand how VLAN could be used there ?

Fred.



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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Fred Boiteux fblis...@free.fr wrote:

 The different LAN subnets' trafic aren't VLAN tagged, and all traffic
 comes from one Ethernet port (from the nearest antenna), so I don't
 understand how VLAN could be used there ?

Most carrier-grade radios support tagging packets from the management
interface, so client traffic comes through untagged and management
happens on the management vlan.

db

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RE: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread Adam Thompson
I think the OP was referring to running two subnets concurrently on the 
same wire, something I often have to do for various reasons, sometimes to 
solve co-existence issues while renumbering a network.  I have no idea how 
to accomplish this in pfSense; apparently I haven't had to do this since I 
started using pfSense!

(An example is when I have a server subnet that's too small - either it 
was undersized to begin with or it grew beyond expectations - and I can't 
widen the subnet mask because I've already used the subnets above and 
below it elsewhere, so I have to at that point run two subnets 
concurrently on the same VLAN until I can get rid of all the old 
addresses.)

-Adam


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 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Fred Boiteux fblis...@free.fr
 wrote:

  The different LAN subnets' trafic aren't VLAN tagged, and all
 traffic
  comes from one Ethernet port (from the nearest antenna), so I
 don't
  understand how VLAN could be used there ?

 Most carrier-grade radios support tagging packets from the
 management
 interface, so client traffic comes through untagged and management
 happens on the management vlan.

 db

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote:
 I think the OP was referring to running two subnets concurrently on the
 same wire, something I often have to do for various reasons, sometimes to
 solve co-existence issues while renumbering a network.  I have no idea how
 to accomplish this in pfSense; apparently I haven't had to do this since I
 started using pfSense!

In that case you can add an alias to the LAN interface. IIRC, you just
run ifconfig appending 'alias' to the end. Don't quote me on it
though.

Get that working, then use shellcmd to make it stick across reboots.
You will also want to check the box in the UI to supress arp errors in
the logs.

vlans are still the preferred method if your radios support it. What
brand are you using?

db

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread Karsten Becker
On 11/18/2010 11:16 PM, David Burgess wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote:
 I think the OP was referring to running two subnets concurrently on the
 same wire, something I often have to do for various reasons, sometimes to
 solve co-existence issues while renumbering a network.  I have no idea how
 to accomplish this in pfSense; apparently I haven't had to do this since I
 started using pfSense!
 
 In that case you can add an alias to the LAN interface. IIRC, you just
 run ifconfig appending 'alias' to the end. Don't quote me on it
 though.
 
 Get that working, then use shellcmd to make it stick across reboots.
 You will also want to check the box in the UI to supress arp errors in
 the logs.

Read this document:

 http://doc.pfsense.org/multiple-subnets-one-interface-pfsense.pdf

Tried that out with the latest stable pfSense yesterday and it worked fine.

Regards
Karsten

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread fi...@7technw.com
Another easy solution is to just add another nic.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Karsten Becker karsten.bec...@ecologic.eu wrote:

 On 11/18/2010 11:16 PM, David Burgess wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote:
 I think the OP was referring to running two subnets concurrently on the
 same wire, something I often have to do for various reasons, sometimes to
 solve co-existence issues while renumbering a network.  I have no idea how
 to accomplish this in pfSense; apparently I haven't had to do this since I
 started using pfSense!
 
 In that case you can add an alias to the LAN interface. IIRC, you just
 run ifconfig appending 'alias' to the end. Don't quote me on it
 though.
 
 Get that working, then use shellcmd to make it stick across reboots.
 You will also want to check the box in the UI to supress arp errors in
 the logs.
 
 Read this document:
 
 http://doc.pfsense.org/multiple-subnets-one-interface-pfsense.pdf
 
 Tried that out with the latest stable pfSense yesterday and it worked fine.
 
 Regards
 Karsten
 
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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-18 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:51 PM, fi...@7technw.com fi...@7technw.com wrote:
 Another easy solution is to just add another nic.

Not an option in this case. The OP described a wireless network where
the client subnet and management subnet exist on the same physical
network. You can't change that in this case, so your two options are
to separate them virtually (vlans) or just run them on the same
physical network.

Yes, he could use another NIC and plug it into a switch along with the
first NIC and the wireless network, but this still doesn't separate
the two networks, and is no better than creating an alias on the
existing NIC.

db

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