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[Scott Ullrich]

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
http://idallen.com/topposting.html

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[Curtis LaMasters]

Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
it needed to be any harder than that.

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[Scott Ullrich]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
> it needed to be any harder than that.

I did not think anything -- This is my 1st message to this list in
days and days

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[Curtis LaMasters]

You was not specifically YOU...rather the list.

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Scott Ullrich wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
>> it needed to be any harder than that.
>
> I did not think anything -- This is my 1st message to this list in
> days and days
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[Tim Nelson]

- "Curtis LaMasters"  wrote:
> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't
> think
> it needed to be any harder than that.
> 
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Scott Ullrich
> wrote:
> > http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
> > http://idallen.com/topposting.html
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Scott
> >


ROFFEL. Curtis, please see this: 
http://www.giganews.com/images/usenet-u/browsing/image068.png

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[David Burgess]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
> it needed to be any harder than that.

It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
one's memory on a long thread.

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[iggdawg]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasters  wrote:

> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
> it needed to be any harder than that.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Scott Ullrich wrote:
> > http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
> > http://idallen.com/topposting.html
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Scott
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Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be
and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper
ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is
a-ok.  This being a reason, not an excuse.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Curtis LaMasters]

And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
>> it needed to be any harder than that.
>
> It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
> links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
> of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
> one's memory on a long thread.
>
> db
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[Scott Ullrich]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
> Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be
> and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper
> ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is
> a-ok.  This being a reason, not an excuse.

I use gmail daily.  It's really not that hard and took me less than 2
seconds to trim and bottom post this message.

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[iggdawg]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters  wrote:

> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
> > LaMasters wrote:
> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
> >
> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
> > one's memory on a long thread.
> >
> > db
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flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.

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[Curtis LaMasters]

This is top posting apparently.

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>  wrote:
>>
>> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
>> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
>> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>> > LaMasters wrote:
>> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
>> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>> >
>> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>> > one's memory on a long thread.
>> >
>> > db
>> >
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[Curtis LaMasters]

And this is bottom posting.  Correct?

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[David Burgess]

Yes.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> This is top posting apparently.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
>>> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
>>> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>>
>>> Curtis LaMasters
>>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>>> > LaMasters wrote:
>>> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>>> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
>>> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>>> >
>>> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>>> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>>> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>>> > one's memory on a long thread.
>>> >
>>> > db
>>> >
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[Curtis LaMasters]

To which one?

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> Yes.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> This is top posting apparently.
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>>>  wrote:

 And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
 TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
 the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?

 Curtis LaMasters
 http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
 http://www.builtnetworks.com



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
 > LaMasters wrote:
 >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
 >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
 >> it needed to be any harder than that.
 >
 > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
 > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
 > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
 > one's memory on a long thread.
 >
 > db
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[David Burgess]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> And this is bottom posting.  Correct?

Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete
all prior content.

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[David Burgess]

The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.

db

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> To which one?
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>> Yes.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
>> LaMasters wrote:
>>> This is top posting apparently.
>>>
>>> Curtis LaMasters
>>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
  wrote:
>
> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
> > LaMasters wrote:
> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
> >
> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
> > one's memory on a long thread.
> >
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 flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.

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[Curtis LaMasters]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> And this is bottom posting.  Correct?
>
> Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete
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How about now? Bottom posting?

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[Scott Ullrich]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
>> LaMasters wrote:
>>> And this is bottom posting.  Correct?
>>
>> Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete
>> all prior content.
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> How about now? Bottom posting?
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No.  This is bottom posting.

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[David Burgess]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:

> How about now? Bottom posting?

Bingo.

Ha ha. Now Scott's saying no and I'm saying yes. In my view, you
bottom-posted, although you could refine it further by trimming the
quoted text to which you're replying. Not sure if that's Scott's
reason for saying no.

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[Curtis LaMasters]

Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.

Curtis LaMasters
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
> top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.
>
> db
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> To which one?
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
>>> LaMasters wrote:
 This is top posting apparently.

 Curtis LaMasters
 http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
 http://www.builtnetworks.com



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>  wrote:
>>
>> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
>> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
>> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>> > LaMasters wrote:
>> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think
>> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>> >
>> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>> > one's memory on a long thread.
>> >
>> > db
>> >
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> flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.
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[iggdawg]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters  wrote:

> Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
> that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
> broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
> list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgess wrote:
> > The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
> > top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.
> >
> > db
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
> > LaMasters wrote:
> >> To which one?
> >>
> >> Curtis LaMasters
> >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgess
> wrote:
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
> >>> LaMasters wrote:
>  This is top posting apparently.
> 
>  Curtis LaMasters
>  http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>  http://www.builtnetworks.com
> 
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
> >> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps
> for
> >> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
> >>
> >> Curtis LaMasters
> >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess
> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
> >> > LaMasters wrote:
> >> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why
> you
> >> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't
> think
> >> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
> >> >
> >> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in
> the
> >> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a
> lot
> >> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
> >> > one's memory on a long thread.
> >> >
> >> > db
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> > flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.
> >
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Scott Ullrich]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
> that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
> broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
> list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgess wrote:
>> The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
>> top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.
>>
>> db
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
>> LaMasters wrote:
>>> To which one?
>>>
>>> Curtis LaMasters
>>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgess wrote:
 Yes.

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
 LaMasters wrote:
> This is top posting apparently.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
>>> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
>>> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>>
>>> Curtis LaMasters
>>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess 
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>>> > LaMasters wrote:
>>> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
>>> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't 
>>> >> think
>>> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>>> >
>>> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>>> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>>> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>>> > one's memory on a long thread.
>>> >
>>> > db
>>> >
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HItting reply resulted in the above

A proper bottom post then looks like this:

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
> that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
> broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
> list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.

This is a bottom post.

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[Curtis LaMasters]

> HItting reply resulted in the above
>
> A proper bottom post then looks like this:
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
>> that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
>> broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
>> list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.
>
> This is a bottom post.
>
> Scott
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I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.

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[apiase...@midatlanticbb.com]

iggd...@gmail.com wrote:



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters 
mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.

Curtis LaMasters
http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
http://www.builtnetworks.com



On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
> top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.
>
> db
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
> LaMastersmailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> To which one?
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David
Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
>>> LaMastersmailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 This is top posting apparently.

 Curtis LaMasters
 http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
 http://www.builtnetworks.com



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, mailto:iggd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
> mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE
VIEWED AS
>> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING
in caps for
>> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>
>> Curtis LaMasters
>> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>


This is a middle post, All beware who reads the middle post.


>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David
Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>> > LaMastersmailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't
know why you
>> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.
 Didn't think
>> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>> >
>> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively
illustrated in the
>> > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying
can save a lot
>> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed
or refresh
>> > one's memory on a long thread.
>> >
>> > db
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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> flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post
basically.
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[Scott Ullrich]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
> of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
> caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.

That looks correct.   Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have
operated for as long as I have remembered.

Scott

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[iggdawg]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Ullrich  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
> > I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
> > of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
> > caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.
>
> That looks correct.   Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have
> operated for as long as I have remembered.
>
> Scott
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Similarly I'm perfectly willing to oblige to keep the peace, even if it's
irritating in my default mail program.  It's a trivial effort on my part and
I'm happy to do it.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Curtis LaMasters]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ullrich wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis
> LaMasters wrote:
>> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
>> of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
>> caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.
>
> That looks correct.   Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have
> operated for as long as I have remembered.
>
> Scott
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I am still a youngling but I've been on the internet on forums,
mailing lists, and others for almost 20 years and this is the first
time that I've actually been called out for top posting.


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[Sean Cavanaugh]

this is top posting

 

 

 

 

 

Above all else, this is just spamming the mailing list and wasted 5 minutes of 
my life reading thru that horrible slew of emails

 

 

 

 

 

this is bottom posting

RE: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Nathan Eisenberg]

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read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
> of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
> caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.

That looks correct.   Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have
operated for as long as I have remembered.

Scott

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At the risk of singling myself out, I prefer top posting.  I thought this 
battle had been fought and abandoned in the early 90s, as no consensus could be 
reached.  The ratio of top poster fanatics to bottom poster fanatics is 
generally 1:1.  Give that, it is difficult to say that mailing lists have 
operated consistently in one manner or the other.

Personally, I find that bottom posting is confusing to read (for me - others 
feel the same about top posting).  It's also not the default behavior in any 
version of Microsoft Outlook - which means it is time consuming (and before I 
get a 'so what', consider the user base...) to do.

Rather than spending time revisiting this ancient battle, it may simply be more 
efficient to require trimming posts to the appropriate amount of content, and 
allow replies to be made at the posters preference.  For my part, if I can read 
the entire email quickly (read: properly trimmed quotes), I don't particularly 
care whether someone top or bottom posts.  I'm far more irked by issues like 
poor sentence structure, grammar and punctuation; not to mention content.

If it really needs to be list policy for one reason or another, then I'll just 
do my best to remember to comply.  I have found, though, the most effective 
lists are the ones with the fewest policies.  After all, we're all on this list 
because we like and use PfSense - I don't think any of us are truly interested 
in spending time having our netiquette scrutinized.  :-)

Best Regards
Nathan Eisenberg
Sr. Systems Administrator
Atlas Networks, LLC


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[Eugen Leitl]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote:

> It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
> links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
> of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
> one's memory on a long thread.

I've found that a few educational off-list messages can 
bring quite a few people around.

For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for
moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly,
so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message.

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[wayne]

Eugen Leitl wrote:

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote:


It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
one's memory on a long thread.


I've found that a few educational off-list messages can 
bring quite a few people around.


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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Curtis LaMasters]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM, wayne wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote:
>>
>>> It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>>> links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>>> of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>>> one's memory on a long thread.
>>
>> I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a few
>> people around.
>>
>> For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for
>> moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly,
>> so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message.
>>
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I find it funny when people assume because they do a certain thing,
that they must not be doing x.  I have 9 mailing lists that I
participate in, and as I mentioned before, none have bothered me or
others for that matter about top posting.  But, as I stated, I'll go
forth with bottom posting from now on.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Steve Spencer]

wayne wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote:
>>
>>> It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
>>> links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
>>> of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>>> one's memory on a long thread.
>>
>> I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a
>> few people around.
>>
>> For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for
>> moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly,
>> so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message.
>>
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For gods sake, drop it already!  Point made.  This is a PfSense list
last I checked, not a lesson in spam!

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[David Rees]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM,  wrote:
> Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be
> and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper
> ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is
> a-ok.  This being a reason, not an excuse.

Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work.  But on a high volume
mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context
goes a LONG way.

And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too!

Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message -
so that means trimming the list-footer off the message.

Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing
lists a LOT easier.

Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Gary Buckmaster]

David Rees wrote:

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM,  wrote:
  

Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be
and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper
ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is
a-ok.  This being a reason, not an excuse.



Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work.  But on a high volume
mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context
goes a LONG way.

And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too!

Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message -
so that means trimming the list-footer off the message.

Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing
lists a LOT easier.

Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is.

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Can we please knock this crap off now? The 5 people in the world who 
care about top posting have made their point, the 5 people in the world 
who think that top posting is perfectly valid seem to be willing to 
abide by your particular brand of netiquette naziism and the rest of the 
world is going to continue to join this list, top post, bottom post, 
send emails with return receipt requests, send emails entirely composed 
of HTML, reply to emails belonging to other threads and generally do 
whatever they feel like doing. If you really feel *this* strongly about 
mailing list etiquette perhaps now would be a good time to re-examine 
your life. I think its safe to say that the rest of us are tired of your 
spam.


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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Curtis LaMasters]

Thanks everyone.  Learning has occurred.

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Gary Buckmaster wrote:
> David Rees wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to
>>> be
>>> and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.
>>>  proper
>>> ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything
>>> is
>>> a-ok.  This being a reason, not an excuse.
>>>
>>
>> Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work.  But on a high volume
>> mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context
>> goes a LONG way.
>>
>> And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too!
>>
>> Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message -
>> so that means trimming the list-footer off the message.
>>
>> Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing
>> lists a LOT easier.
>>
>> Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is.
>>
>> -Dave
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> Can we please knock this crap off now? The 5 people in the world who care
> about top posting have made their point, the 5 people in the world who think
> that top posting is perfectly valid seem to be willing to abide by your
> particular brand of netiquette naziism and the rest of the world is going to
> continue to join this list, top post, bottom post, send emails with return
> receipt requests, send emails entirely composed of HTML, reply to emails
> belonging to other threads and generally do whatever they feel like doing.
> If you really feel *this* strongly about mailing list etiquette perhaps now
> would be a good time to re-examine your life. I think its safe to say that
> the rest of us are tired of your spam.
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Eugen Leitl]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Curtis LaMasters wrote:

> I find it funny when people assume because they do a certain thing,
> that they must not be doing x.  I have 9 mailing lists that I
> participate in, and as I mentioned before, none have bothered me or
> others for that matter about top posting.  But, as I stated, I'll go
> forth with bottom posting from now on.

You're still not getting it. Bottom-posting doesn't do jack if you
don't trim replies, so one has to scroll down to the bottom of the
message.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Tim Nelson]

- "Curtis LaMasters"  wrote:
> Thanks everyone.  Learning has occurred.
> 
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
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I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this:

http://diy.despair.com/output/poster84114313.jpg

The hilarity and simultaneous irritation this thread has caused is just 
fantastic.

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[Victor Padro]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Curtis
LaMasters wrote:
> And this is bottom posting.  Correct?
>
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Curtis LaMasters]

> I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this:
>
> http://diy.despair.com/output/poster84114313.jpg
>
> The hilarity and simultaneous irritation this thread has caused is just 
> fantastic.
>
> --Tim

Yes, I noticed that just as soon as I sent it.  Thanks for the virtual
slap in the face.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Veiko Kukk]

This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks...
Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds 
ago, following that thread?
If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need 
for that.


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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters 
mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:


And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
 > LaMastersmailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you
 >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't
think
 >> it needed to be any harder than that.
 >
 > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the
 > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot
 > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
 > one's memory on a long thread.
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flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.


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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Michael Schuh]

I think that top-posting is better or simpler
top-posting is more natural, everything in the nature that is newer
is on the top ... this is what we as first see

on the other hand we are more trained to read from top to bottom,
the newest words in a message are on the bottom...
we write from top to bottom...

just my 20ct

greetings

michael

2009/7/30 Veiko Kukk :
> This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks...
> Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago,
> following that thread?
> If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for
> that.
>
> --
> Veiko
>
> iggd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>> mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS
>>    TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for
>>    the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>
>>    Curtis LaMasters
>>    http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>    http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgess>    > wrote:
>>     > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>>     > LaMasters>    > wrote:
>>     >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why
>> you
>>     >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't
>>    think
>>     >> it needed to be any harder than that.
>>     >
>>     > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in
>> the
>>     > links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a
>> lot
>>     > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh
>>     > one's memory on a long thread.
>>     >
>>     > db
>>     >
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Eugen Leitl]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote:
> This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks...

God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved
posting?

> Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds 
> ago, following that thread?

Because they're Doing It Wrong(tm).

> If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need 
> for that.

Thinking does help, at times.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Scott Ullrich]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote:
>> This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks...
>
> God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved
> posting?
>
>> Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds
>> ago, following that thread?
>
> Because they're Doing It Wrong(tm).
>
>> If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need
>> for that.
>
> Thinking does help, at times.
>
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I agree with Eugen.   Folks, this is the lists rules.  If you do not
like it I kindly ask you to go to the forum and participate there.

It's either that or I will stop reading these lists altogether.

Bottom post or do not post at all.  Thanks.

Scott
PS: my kill bit is armed and folks that continue to do so will be
removed from the list.  Sorry to be harsh but I have had enough with
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Bill Marquette]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM,
apiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote:
> iggd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>> mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact
>>    that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is
>>    broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing
>>    list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue.
>>
>>    Curtis LaMasters
>>    http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>    http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgess>    > wrote:
>>    > The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your
>>    > top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet.
>>    >
>>    > db
>>    >
>>    > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis
>>    > LaMasters>    > wrote:
>>    >> To which one?
>>    >>
>>    >> Curtis LaMasters
>>    >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>    >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David
>>    Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>    >>> Yes.
>>    >>>
>>    >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis
>>    >>> LaMasters>    > wrote:
>>     This is top posting apparently.
>>    
>>     Curtis LaMasters
>>     http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>     http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>    
>>    
>>    
>>     On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, >    > wrote:
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters
>>    > >    > wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >> And I think the point is being missed.  WHY WAS MY MESSAGE
>>    VIEWED AS
>>    >> TOP POSTED.  Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING
>>    in caps for
>>    >> the day.  In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post?
>>    >>
>>    >> Curtis LaMasters
>>    >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
>>    >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>>    >>
>>
> This is a middle post, All beware who reads the middle post.
>>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David
>>    Burgessmailto:apt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>    >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis
>>    >> > LaMasters>    > wrote:
>>    >> >> Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't
>>    know why you
>>    >> >> think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.
>>     Didn't think
>>    >> >> it needed to be any harder than that.
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>>    >> > It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively
>>    illustrated in the
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>>    can save a lot
>>    >> > of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed
>>    or refresh
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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Bill Marquette]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Veiko Kukk wrote:
> This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks...
> Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago,
> following that thread?
> If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for
> that.

A good MUA will hide the quoted text.  Thus allowing you to see
context of interleaved comments when you wish to.  A good poster will
also trim crap that isn't pertinent to his message or doesn't provide
any contextual value.  As Michael notes, people read top to bottom, I
don't want to read something, wonder what the hell it's about and
scroll to the bottom to figure it out, I'll just move on.

--Bill

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Paul Mansfield]

Curtis LaMasters wrote:
> Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact


there's some buttons on the keyboard called cursor keys, they move the
little blob around which indicates where what you type will appear.

you press the cursor down and type the response at the bottom. this may
require more than a few nanoseconds of your time.

for bonus points, as you move the cursor to the bottom, you highlight
the existing text and delete anything irrelevant to your reply in order
to ensure your reply makes sense and eliminates clutter and confusion.

it's like when someone asks four questions and you say "yes, no, yes
yes", but no-one knows which question you're answering.


IME, people who top post and don't trim assume they're far too important
and their time is more valuable than other people's; however, quite
often what happens is people can't be bothered to wade through the
emails and so the top-poster gets ignored.


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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Paul Mansfield]

Curtis LaMasters wrote:
>> This is a bottom post.
> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit


this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces
bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if they want.

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Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Michael Schuh]

2009/7/31 Paul Mansfield :
> Curtis LaMasters wrote:
>>> This is a bottom post.
>> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
>
>
> this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces
> bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if they want.
>
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Hi @all,

I believe the best statement at all is from Scott:

... this are the list rules ... (in sense)

It is like "Simon say's" , and there is Simon's Castle ;-)

but it seems to me, not all the listmembers know about that rules ;-)
we have many mature listmembers, from the times that this rules
are not spreaded to all members ... is this possible?

and now i think it should be clear. Or not?

just that what i see.

Greetings

michael
Hint: read Scott's (Simon's) rules

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[pfSense Support] RE: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 06.2/5.0] Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

[Víctor Hugo Pasten Varas]

> -Mensaje original-
> De: Curtis LaMasters [mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com]
> Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de julio de 2009 14:12
> Para: support@pfsense.com
> Asunto: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 06.2/5.0] Re: [pfSense Support] A note
> about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom
> post on our lists. Thank you.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ullrich
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis
> > LaMasters wrote:
> >> I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit
> >> of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have
> >> caused. Let me know if I did that correctly.
> >
> > That looks correct.   Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists
> have
> > operated for as long as I have remembered.
> >
> > Scott
> >
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> >
> >
> 
> I am still a youngling but I've been on the internet on forums,
> mailing lists, and others for almost 20 years and this is the first
> time that I've actually been called out for top posting.
> 
> 
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> 



Please too much boring, stop the pseudo-spam.



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