Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
Curtis LaMasters wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact there's some buttons on the keyboard called cursor keys, they move the little blob around which indicates where what you type will appear. you press the cursor down and type the response at the bottom. this may require more than a few nanoseconds of your time. for bonus points, as you move the cursor to the bottom, you highlight the existing text and delete anything irrelevant to your reply in order to ensure your reply makes sense and eliminates clutter and confusion. it's like when someone asks four questions and you say yes, no, yes yes, but no-one knows which question you're answering. IME, people who top post and don't trim assume they're far too important and their time is more valuable than other people's; however, quite often what happens is people can't be bothered to wade through the emails and so the top-poster gets ignored. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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Curtis LaMasters wrote: This is a bottom post. I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if they want. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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2009/7/31 Paul Mansfield it-admin-pfse...@taptu.com: Curtis LaMasters wrote: This is a bottom post. I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if they want. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org Hi @all, I believe the best statement at all is from Scott: ... this are the list rules ... (in sense) It is like Simon say's , and there is Simon's Castle ;-) but it seems to me, not all the listmembers know about that rules ;-) we have many mature listmembers, from the times that this rules are not spreaded to all members ... is this possible? and now i think it should be clear. Or not? just that what i see. Greetings michael Hint: read Scott's (Simon's) rules -- = = = m i c h a e l - s c h u h . n e t = = = Projektmanagement - IT-Consulting - Professional Services IT Michael Schuh Postfach 10 21 52 66021 Saarbrücken phone: 0681/8319664 mobil: 0175/5616453 @: m i c h a e l . s c h u h @ g m a i l . c o m = = = Ust-ID: DE251072318 = = = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. -- Veiko iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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I think that top-posting is better or simpler top-posting is more natural, everything in the nature that is newer is on the top ... this is what we as first see on the other hand we are more trained to read from top to bottom, the newest words in a message are on the bottom... we write from top to bottom... just my 20ct greetings michael 2009/7/30 Veiko Kukk veiko.k...@krediidipank.ee: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. -- Veiko iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org -- = = = m i c h a e l - s c h u h . n e t = = = Projektmanagement - IT-Consulting - Professional Services IT Michael Schuh Postfach 10 21 52 66021 Saarbrücken phone: 0681/8319664 mobil: 0175/5616453 @: m i c h a e l . s c h u h @ g m a i l . c o m = = = Ust-ID: DE251072318 = = = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved posting? Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? Because they're Doing It Wrong(tm). If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. Thinking does help, at times. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Eugen Leitleu...@leitl.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved posting? Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? Because they're Doing It Wrong(tm). If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. Thinking does help, at times. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ I agree with Eugen. Folks, this is the lists rules. If you do not like it I kindly ask you to go to the forum and participate there. It's either that or I will stop reading these lists altogether. Bottom post or do not post at all. Thanks. Scott PS: my kill bit is armed and folks that continue to do so will be removed from the list. Sorry to be harsh but I have had enough with this subject. Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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intentionally not trimming - see below On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, apiase...@midatlanticbb.comapiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote: iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com mailto:iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com This is a middle post, All beware who reads the middle post. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Veiko Kukkveiko.k...@krediidipank.ee wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. A good MUA will hide the quoted text. Thus allowing you to see context of interleaved comments when you wish to. A good poster will also trim crap that isn't pertinent to his message or doesn't provide any contextual value. As Michael notes, people read top to bottom, I don't want to read something, wonder what the hell it's about and scroll to the bottom to figure it out, I'll just move on. --Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://idallen.com/topposting.html Thank you Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. I did not think anything -- This is my 1st message to this list in days and days Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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You was not specifically YOU...rather the list. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. I did not think anything -- This is my 1st message to this list in days and days Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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- Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://idallen.com/topposting.html Thank you Scott ROFFEL. Curtis, please see this: http://www.giganews.com/images/usenet-u/browsing/image068.png --Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://idallen.com/topposting.html Thank you Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. This being a reason, not an excuse.
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. This being a reason, not an excuse. I use gmail daily. It's really not that hard and took me less than 2 seconds to trim and bottom post this message. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically.
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This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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And this is bottom posting. Correct? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting. Correct? Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete all prior content. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting. Correct? Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete all prior content. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org How about now? Bottom posting? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting. Correct? Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete all prior content. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org How about now? Bottom posting? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org No. This is bottom posting. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: How about now? Bottom posting? Bingo. Ha ha. Now Scott's saying no and I'm saying yes. In my view, you bottom-posted, although you could refine it further by trimming the quoted text to which you're replying. Not sure if that's Scott's reason for saying no. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org From the first post I knew this would be a popcorn-worthy event. Which is why I tried to jump in early and be at least moderately helpful.
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org HItting reply resulted in the above A proper bottom post then looks like this: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. This is a bottom post. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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HItting reply resulted in the above A proper bottom post then looks like this: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. This is a bottom post. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com mailto:iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com This is a middle post, All beware who reads the middle post. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com mailto:apt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. db - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org flick the scroll wheel to get to the bottom of the post basically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com mailto:support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com mailto:support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct. Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have operated for as long as I have remembered. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Ullrich sullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct. Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have operated for as long as I have remembered. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org Similarly I'm perfectly willing to oblige to keep the peace, even if it's irritating in my default mail program. It's a trivial effort on my part and I'm happy to do it.
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct. Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have operated for as long as I have remembered. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org I am still a youngling but I've been on the internet on forums, mailing lists, and others for almost 20 years and this is the first time that I've actually been called out for top posting. /rant Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
RE: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
this is top posting Above all else, this is just spamming the mailing list and wasted 5 minutes of my life reading thru that horrible slew of emails this is bottom posting
RE: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
-Original Message- From: Scott Ullrich [mailto:sullr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:56 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct. Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have operated for as long as I have remembered. Scott - At the risk of singling myself out, I prefer top posting. I thought this battle had been fought and abandoned in the early 90s, as no consensus could be reached. The ratio of top poster fanatics to bottom poster fanatics is generally 1:1. Give that, it is difficult to say that mailing lists have operated consistently in one manner or the other. Personally, I find that bottom posting is confusing to read (for me - others feel the same about top posting). It's also not the default behavior in any version of Microsoft Outlook - which means it is time consuming (and before I get a 'so what', consider the user base...) to do. Rather than spending time revisiting this ancient battle, it may simply be more efficient to require trimming posts to the appropriate amount of content, and allow replies to be made at the posters preference. For my part, if I can read the entire email quickly (read: properly trimmed quotes), I don't particularly care whether someone top or bottom posts. I'm far more irked by issues like poor sentence structure, grammar and punctuation; not to mention content. If it really needs to be list policy for one reason or another, then I'll just do my best to remember to comply. I have found, though, the most effective lists are the ones with the fewest policies. After all, we're all on this list because we like and use PfSense - I don't think any of us are truly interested in spending time having our netiquette scrutinized. :-) Best Regards Nathan Eisenberg Sr. Systems Administrator Atlas Networks, LLC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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-Mensaje original- De: Curtis LaMasters [mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com] Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de julio de 2009 14:12 Para: support@pfsense.com Asunto: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 06.2/5.0] Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct. Unfortunately this is the way mailing lists have operated for as long as I have remembered. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org I am still a youngling but I've been on the internet on forums, mailing lists, and others for almost 20 years and this is the first time that I've actually been called out for top posting. /rant Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com Please too much boring, stop the pseudo-spam. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a few people around. For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly, so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a few people around. For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly, so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message. T S O P P O T t o n s e o d e n o y h w s i s i h T Some of us have many lists to read, and to break the logical flow of Quote/question then answer below, just makes us loose interest. W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM, wayneplet...@gmail.com wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a few people around. For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly, so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message. T S O P P O T t o n s e o d e n o y h w s i s i h T Some of us have many lists to read, and to break the logical flow of Quote/question then answer below, just makes us loose interest. W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org I find it funny when people assume because they do a certain thing, that they must not be doing x. I have 9 mailing lists that I participate in, and as I mentioned before, none have bothered me or others for that matter about top posting. But, as I stated, I'll go forth with bottom posting from now on. Curtis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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wayne wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long thread. I've found that a few educational off-list messages can bring quite a few people around. For the hard cases, there's the killfile. Or list bans, for moderated lists. To be used ruthlessly, so deliberate netiquette violators will get the message. T S O P P O T t o n s e o d e n o y h w s i s i h T Some of us have many lists to read, and to break the logical flow of Quote/question then answer below, just makes us loose interest. W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org For gods sake, drop it already! Point made. This is a PfSense list last I checked, not a lesson in spam! -- -- Steven G. Spencer, Network Administrator - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. This being a reason, not an excuse. Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work. But on a high volume mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context goes a LONG way. And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too! Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message - so that means trimming the list-footer off the message. Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing lists a LOT easier. Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
David Rees wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. This being a reason, not an excuse. Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work. But on a high volume mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context goes a LONG way. And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too! Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message - so that means trimming the list-footer off the message. Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing lists a LOT easier. Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org Can we please knock this crap off now? The 5 people in the world who care about top posting have made their point, the 5 people in the world who think that top posting is perfectly valid seem to be willing to abide by your particular brand of netiquette naziism and the rest of the world is going to continue to join this list, top post, bottom post, send emails with return receipt requests, send emails entirely composed of HTML, reply to emails belonging to other threads and generally do whatever they feel like doing. If you really feel *this* strongly about mailing list etiquette perhaps now would be a good time to re-examine your life. I think its safe to say that the rest of us are tired of your spam. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
Thanks everyone. Learning has occurred. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Gary Buckmasterg...@s4f.com wrote: David Rees wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. This being a reason, not an excuse. Yes - bottom posting takes a bit of work. But on a high volume mailing list or if you receive a lot of mail, a little bit of context goes a LONG way. And while we're talking about it - Trim your messages, too! Only leave the relevant portion of the original email in the message - so that means trimming the list-footer off the message. Again - it takes a bit of work, but it really makes reading mailing lists a LOT easier. Try it for a bit - once you do, you'll realize how much better it is. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org Can we please knock this crap off now? The 5 people in the world who care about top posting have made their point, the 5 people in the world who think that top posting is perfectly valid seem to be willing to abide by your particular brand of netiquette naziism and the rest of the world is going to continue to join this list, top post, bottom post, send emails with return receipt requests, send emails entirely composed of HTML, reply to emails belonging to other threads and generally do whatever they feel like doing. If you really feel *this* strongly about mailing list etiquette perhaps now would be a good time to re-examine your life. I think its safe to say that the rest of us are tired of your spam. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Curtis LaMasters wrote: I find it funny when people assume because they do a certain thing, that they must not be doing x. I have 9 mailing lists that I participate in, and as I mentioned before, none have bothered me or others for that matter about top posting. But, as I stated, I'll go forth with bottom posting from now on. You're still not getting it. Bottom-posting doesn't do jack if you don't trim replies, so one has to scroll down to the bottom of the message. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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- Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone. Learning has occurred. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this: http://diy.despair.com/output/poster84114313.jpg The hilarity and simultaneous irritation this thread has caused is just fantastic. --Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting. Correct? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org yes -- Usuario Linux Registrado #452368 Usuario Ubuntu Registrado #28025 Doing a thing well is often a waste of time. -- //Netbook - HP Mini 1035NR 2GB 60GB - Windows XP/Ubuntu 9.04 //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 1.86Ghz 8GB 500GB - Windows 7(testing) //Desktop - Core 2 Duo 2.40Ghz 8GB 320GB - MacOS Leopard //Desktop - Athlon 64 2.7Ghz 8GB 400GB - Ubuntu Jaunty //Server - Pentium D 3.2Ghz 8GB 1TB - Debian Lenny //Server - Celeron 1.8Ghz 1GB 160GB - Pfsense //Server - NSLU2 266Mhz 32MB 1TB - Debian Lenny - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.
I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this: http://diy.despair.com/output/poster84114313.jpg The hilarity and simultaneous irritation this thread has caused is just fantastic. --Tim Yes, I noticed that just as soon as I sent it. Thanks for the virtual slap in the face. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support available - https://portal.pfsense.org
