Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.2 Update

[Rex]

HenriK wrote:



Can the SeaMonkey v.2.0.2 update be installed on top of (i.e., without
deinstallation of) v.2.0.1? I am not quite clear on the best approach
for v.2.x. updates. Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.


Yes, it can. Just click on Help- Check for updates, and it will download 
the necessary components.(You don't need to download the full installer 
from the website) I just finished updating without any problems.



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Re: Q about mail/news sorting

[Arne]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Arne wrote:


Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote:

I would like to know what the difference is between "Sort by: Date"
and "Sort by: Received"?


Do you mean "Sort by: Order Received"? That is the date/time the message
showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date
header of the message. These can be different.


No, I don't mean "Sort by: Order Received". As I wrote, I can see what
happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the
"plain" Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date.


OK, here's a theory:

If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and
Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending
computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are
attached by the various servers that handle the message en route.

So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer
thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when
one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several
days apart.



Thanks, that makes sense. The date and time could be my computers 
then, when sorting by "Order Received? That option seems to be the 
only one that always put all posts and threads in a logical order, 
from my point of view. ;)


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Re: video problem/question

[Arne]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Norvin wrote:


Trying to watch a video on SM 1.1.18 without success. Tried FF 3.5.6
and was successful. Below is URL. Any suggestions other than going to
SM2.






Had trouble here, too, but once I wiped the vomit off my screen I could
see it OK...

All kidding aside, it's blank here, too.

Plays OK in Internet Exploiter 8 even after I rejected all their cookies.



I had a lot of video problems on a lot of sites with all SM 1.x.x 
versions, all that problem are gone after the upgrad to SM 2.0. Also 
that thefoxnation.com video played nicely! ;)


I believe it is just about where SM2 is installed default, C:\Program 
Files\SeaMonkey instead of C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey 
since I didn't need to do any tweaking to make it work after the SM2 
install, it just started to work. It was the same with my online bank 
account, it was impossible to use it with SM1 ;)


So I say, don't hesitate to upgrade to SM 2!

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 12/1/2010 01:43, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:

> Of course, some reported "errors" are just plain silly:
> 
> Line 9, Column 47: Attribute "BORDER" is not a valid attribute. Did you 
> mean "border"?
> 
> (from a frameset declaration)

Well, I didn't see the original page, but this is not a "silly" error in
XHTML. XHTML is case-sensitive, after all.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Arne]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/1/2010 01:43, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:


Of course, some reported "errors" are just plain silly:

Line 9, Column 47: Attribute "BORDER" is not a valid attribute. Did you
mean "border"?

(from a frameset declaration)


Well, I didn't see the original page, but this is not a "silly" error in
XHTML. XHTML is case-sensitive, after all.



i agree, the silly "error" is that so many have the XHTML DTD for 
their pages with no need for it, and the content-type is "text/html".


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.2 Update

[nr]

On Jan 11, 1:42 pm, Robert Kaiser  wrote:
> As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process,
> SeaMonkey 2.0.2 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free
> download fromwww.seamonkey-project.org.
>
> We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to
> this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive
> an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can
> also be applied manually by selecting "Check for Updates..." from the
> Help menu.
>
> For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey
> 2.0.2 Release Notes.
>
> Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are
> encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it 
> fromwww.seamonkey-project.org.
>
> Full news article:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-01-11
>
> Downloads for all available platforms and 
> languages:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>
> Release notes:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.2
>
> System 
> Requirements:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>
> Robert Kaiser
> SeaMonkey project coordinator

Yesterday I tried to install the update using Help / Check for
Updates.  The box said something about the download and then
downloaded a 10+ MB file, then didn't do anything for quite a while.
After about 20 minutes, I closed SeaMonkey to disable the update
process, since there was no CANCEL or STOP feature on it.  A little
later I did the update without any problem.

I'm writing this to suggest the addition of a STOP or CANCEL button on
the Update box for the above occurrences.  Many thanks for your great
work.
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Re: video problem/question

[Phillip Jones]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Norvin wrote:


Trying to watch a video on SM 1.1.18 without success. Tried FF 3.5.6 and
was successful. Below is URL. Any suggestions other than going to SM2.





Had trouble here, too, but once I wiped the vomit off my screen I could
see it OK...

All kidding aside, it's blank here, too.

Plays OK in Internet Exploiter 8 even after I rejected all their cookies.

It plays of a Fashion on SM2 on a 1mb DSL line. I say of a Fashion it 
appears to be a very large file and the must be using a 56K line for the 
output because its stutters where it plays faster than I can receive the 
feed from them also the HTML Validator show over 400 errors and over 100 
warnings.  I wish flash had a setting to  wait until enough content was 
loaded to start without stuttering but it doesn't.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.2 Update

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Updated 3 machines here using "Help/Check for Updates..." with no 
trouble whatsoever. Kudos!  -JW

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SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Karl]

Hi,

i did migrate from V.1.1.18 to V.2.0.1 using a zip-file. During some 
tests i found that i cannot send any email. Send  ends with following 
error-msg:

  > Sending of message failed.
An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server 
mailto.t-online.de. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but 
you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password' 
for that server or contact your service provider.


my earlier SM migrations did copy the profile/definition and could be 
used unchanged.


Question: Where do i find the location to uncheck 'Use name and 
password'. I did not find any location neither in 'Preferences' nor in 
'about:config'.


have a nice day, Karl
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Re: SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Hartmut Figge]

Karl:

>Question: Where do i find the location to uncheck 'Use name and 
>password'. I did not find any location neither in 'Preferences' nor in 
>'about:config'.

Edit->Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings->Outgoing Server (SMTP). Choose
one and click Edit.

Hartmut
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Re: SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Karl]

Hartmut Figge schrieb:

Karl:

Question: Where do i find the location to uncheck 'Use name and 
password'. I did not find any location neither in 'Preferences' nor in 
'about:config'.


Edit->Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings->Outgoing Server (SMTP). Choose
one and click Edit.

Hartmut


Hartmut:
i just tested it and found at this location two possibilities: use of 
standard server and my email address. I selected the first one and the 
result follows:


Sending of message failed.
An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server 
mailto.t-online.de. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but 
you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password' 
for that server or contact your service provider.


Sorry Karl
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Re: SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Hartmut Figge]

Karl:

>Sending of message failed.
>An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server 
>mailto.t-online.de. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but 
>you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password' 
>for that server or contact your service provider.

Have you unchecked '[ ] Use name and password' in the window, which pops
up after clicking Edit? And may be, Connection Security must be None.

Hartmut
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Re: SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Hartmut Figge]

Hartmut Figge:

>Have you unchecked '[ ] Use name and password' in the window, which pops
>up after clicking Edit? And may be, Connection Security must be None.

BTW, you could go to de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnews, where we can
talk in German. ;)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.2 Update

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, 
SeaMonkey 2.0.2 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free 
download from www.seamonkey-project.org.


I see no new problems in this release. The warning that most of my add-ons and 
themes are incompatible and have been disabled remains, even though 
compatibility checking is still disabled, and the add-on manger puts up a yellow 
banner warning me about it. I was able to re-enable everything without more than 
the usual inconvenience of restarting over and over and over...


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Re: new usenet feature in reply

[Bill Davidsen]

Rick Merrill wrote:

I just discovered (by accident of course) that if you
highlight  some words in a posting then you reply to
that posting Only the username and the Hightlighted Words
are quoted in your reply!


Long needed! Why isn't this up in flashing lights?

==> NOTE
This works for mail too!

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Re: Q about mail/news sorting

[Bill Davidsen]

Arne wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Arne wrote:


Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote:

I would like to know what the difference is between "Sort by: Date"
and "Sort by: Received"?


Do you mean "Sort by: Order Received"? That is the date/time the 
message

showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date
header of the message. These can be different.


No, I don't mean "Sort by: Order Received". As I wrote, I can see what
happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the
"plain" Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date.


OK, here's a theory:

If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and
Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending
computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are
attached by the various servers that handle the message en route.

So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer
thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when
one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several
days apart.



Thanks, that makes sense. The date and time could be my computers then, 
when sorting by "Order Received? That option seems to be the only one 
that always put all posts and threads in a logical order, from my point 
of view. ;)


Some spammers put a very old or very new date on their mail, to get it to the 
top of your display. Order received normalizes that, and puts it in the right place.


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Re: SM2.0.1: Still Getting Random "Set as Default Home Page"

[Jens Hatlak]

Sqwertz wrote:
> Nobody else is seeing this behavior?  I didn't get any sympathizers 
> last time I posted this.
> 
> Sometimes when I press the Home Button (which has been moved to the 
> navigation bar, if that matters), a dialog pops up that asks me if I
>  want to set the new home page as the default. (...) According to
> the SM documentation the only shortcut for this action is to:
> 
> Tip: To specify your home page quickly, drag the bookmark icon image 
> of bookmark icon from the Location Bar to the Home Page button on
> the Personal Toolbar.
> 
> Maybe Seamonkey is intercepting some errant VNC event.  But I don't 
> see how it could be interpreted as the above action - whatever that 
> poorly worded double-talk above is trying to say.

I found that you can drag & drop the Home button onto itself which might
be what you see. Maybe you dragged it for just a few pixels.

> I have a Bookmark folder icon on my Personal toolbar, but that 
> doesn't drag.

That's not the "bookmark icon from the Location Bar".

> And what is a "Location Bar"?  Is that the URL/Navigation bar?

Yes. And the icon in front of the URL (favicon) is what the tip refers to.

HTH

Jens

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Re: SeamonkeyV2.0.1-unable to send emails after migration

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/12/2010 9:10 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Hartmut Figge:
> 
>>Have you unchecked '[ ] Use name and password' in the window, which pops
>>up after clicking Edit? And may be, Connection Security must be None.
> 
> BTW, you could go to de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnews, where we can
> talk in German. ;)
> 
> Hartmut

But then the rest of us will miss out :)

Incidentally, I suspect that the OP is not looking at the correct SMTP
server settings. If there is more than one entry in the list of SMTP
servers, then he should look at the Outgoing Server settings in his
account settings to see which one is to be used (or if it is to use
the "default").

>From that, it should be clear which SMTP entry needs to be corrected.

Best Regards,

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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

[Bill Davidsen]

Phillip Pi wrote:
Bah, it was fine on my new office machine and now it has duplicate login 
prompts too. :(



Okay, problem solved, you now have consistent behavior everywhere. ;-)

I have not looked at this in SM-2.0.x but is it possible that you have number of 
threads set to more than one, and you get asked every time a thread connects. 
I'm still on 1.1.xx here, as I need functional forms, but that seems possible.


Does Windows have any functional network sniffer software built in? Linux has 
several applications which will let you see if the AUTHINFO is actually needed 
multiple times, I'm betting it is, but I have no idea why.


I poked in about:config, I don't see any obvious threads to use parameter, but I 
still suspect the auth is being requested multiple times.


On 1/10/2010 12:31 PM PT, Ant typed:


I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I
can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail
address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.

I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and
folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my
prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After
restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am
I mising something else to clean/delete?

I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows
7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using
an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did
NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup
from scratch).



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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Michael Gordon]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:


YMMV, but in any case, if we would not 
have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now.



Why ?


The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long
time ago. Only security and stability patches were then backported to
that branch, not by Mozilla but by Linux distributors with long lived
branches, but even that source of bug fixes seem to have dried up in the
middle of 2009. Without a SeaMonkey 2.0 to migrate our users to.
SeaMonkey would have died on the wine before the end of 2009.

That's why the original plan to release SeaMonkey 2.0 in sync with
Thunderbird 3.0 became fatal when Mozilla Messaging kept pushing back
their release schedules, and pushing and pushing, until January 2010. So
we took the decision to release SeaMonkey 2.0 at around Thunderbird
3.0b4 with the risk of a slightly unstable mailnews backend. But as the
alternative was to let SeaMonkey die it wasn't really a choice.


You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.

Phil



Phil,

I have waited several months to see the improvements in SM 2.x, but all 
I saw was a severely broken product.  SM 2.x trashed my address books, 
pass words, forms, and all of the extensions I used for creating and 
testing we pages.


In addition, SM2.x did not import my e-mail accounts and trashed all my 
business mail.


I have gone back to SM 1.1.18 for the time being until I have the time 
to install FireFox and ThunderBird as individual programs and rebuild my 
business accounts and tools (extensions), or third party applications.


Good luck with SM, I hope the developers finally get it right; what the 
had core users really want.


Regards,

Michael Gordon
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Re: Q about mail/news sorting

[Andrea Govoni]

Il 12/01/10 05:10, Paul B. Gallagher ha scritto:
> 
> OK, here's a theory:
> 
> If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and
> Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending
> computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are
> attached by the various servers that handle the message en route.

This is true for e-mails but not for newsgroups messages, AFAIK.
So what's the point of having "Sort by --> Received" even for newsgroups
and what does it actually do for newsgroups messages?
It seems a bug to me.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[S. Beaulieu]

Michael Gordon a écrit :

SM 2.x trashed my address books,
pass words, forms, and all of the extensions I used for creating and
testing we pages.



For the extensions, fair enough: not all of them are compatible (yet). 
And much have been said about doing away with the much loved form manager.


But I don't see how version 2 could have "trashed" anything if you 
haven't done anything weird with either it or version 1 (or either or 
both of their profiles). The version 1 profile isn't used at all by 
version 2 (because it simply *can't* use it) and so sits untouched for 
you to go back to if needed, without anything changed in it.


If version 2 "trashed" your version 1 address book and such, then I'd 
say it's a case of PEBKAC.


S.
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Benoit Renard]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.
There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 


3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.


Of course, some reported "errors" are just plain silly:

Line 9, Column 47: Attribute "BORDER" is not a valid attribute. Did you 
mean "border"?


(from a frameset declaration)



XHTML requires all tag names and attributes to be lowercase. HTML does 
not. This only reinforces that the site serves fake XHTML.

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Re: new usenet feature in reply

[cyberzen]

Bill Davidsen a écrit :

This works for mail too!

cool !!
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Re: new usenet feature in reply

[Hartmut Figge]

cyberzen:
>Bill Davidsen a écrit :

>> This works for mail too!
>cool !!

It's so long in the Nightlies, that i have forgotten it may be new. ;)

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invoke composer

[Rick Merrill]

When I go to "edit" an   HTML or HTM document
I would like Windows XP sp3 to know to use composer for the job.

After installing SM2.0._ Word takes over!  SM1 used to do this just fine.

Is there a fix to the registry to make  .HTM or .HTML files
"edit" with Composer?

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Re: SM2.0.1: Still Getting Random "Set as Default Home Page"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/2010 9:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> Nobody else is seeing this behavior?  I didn't get any sympathizers 
>> last time I posted this.
>>
>> Sometimes when I press the Home Button (which has been moved to the 
>> navigation bar, if that matters), a dialog pops up that asks me if I
>>  want to set the new home page as the default. (...) According to
>> the SM documentation the only shortcut for this action is to:
>>
>> Tip: To specify your home page quickly, drag the bookmark icon image 
>> of bookmark icon from the Location Bar to the Home Page button on
>> the Personal Toolbar.
>>
>> Maybe Seamonkey is intercepting some errant VNC event.  But I don't 
>> see how it could be interpreted as the above action - whatever that 
>> poorly worded double-talk above is trying to say.
> 
> I found that you can drag & drop the Home button onto itself which might
> be what you see. Maybe you dragged it for just a few pixels.

Oh!  That's it!  I just tested this, and I can recreate the problem at
will.

I submitted bug #538500 on this problem last week.  See
.  I will update it
to include how to recreate the problem.


>> I have a Bookmark folder icon on my Personal toolbar, but that 
>> doesn't drag.
> 
> That's not the "bookmark icon from the Location Bar".
> 
>> And what is a "Location Bar"?  Is that the URL/Navigation bar?
> 
> Yes. And the icon in front of the URL (favicon) is what the tip refers to.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jens
> 


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lose of folders on migration 2.0.2

[Smiles]

OK I did it again moved from 1.1.18 to 2.0.2 and it got worse.

last attempt by using all preset option old version was removed this 
time it stayed in place not all files migrated


this is the end result of my main profile any comments

thanks

pasted from directory***
   C:\Documents and Settings\Smiles\Application 
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\ro06av8e.slt\Mail\mail.XXX.ca


===
   beavers-church
   beavers-church.msf
   client
   client.msf
   clubs
   clubs.msf
   Drafts
   Drafts.msf
   filterlog.html
   friends
   friends.msf
   fun
   fun.msf
   garbage
   garbage.msf
   hold
   hold.msf
   Inbox
   Inbox.msf
   job
   job.msf
   laughs
   laughs.msf
   msgFilterRules.dat
   MyView
   MyView.msf
   popstate.dat
   Sent
   Sent.msf
   Templates
   Templates.msf
   tools
   tools.msf
   Trash
   Trash.msf
   undeliver
   undeliver.msf

   Total 37 file(s);  Size: 16309689 Byte(s)

*
   C:\Documents and Settings\Smiles\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\p5gdxbu8.default\Mail\mail.XXX.ca


=
   Drafts
   Drafts.msf
   filterlog.html
   hold
   hold.msf
   Inbox
   Inbox.msf
   msgFilterRules.dat
   popstate.dat
   Sent
   Sent.msf
   Trash
   Trash.msf

   Total 13 file(s);  Size: 1159285 Byte(s)
  

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Re: test only

[jim]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

jim wrote:


jim



Jim, please, please, please don't post test messages in the support 
groups. We've been over and over this over the years, and it still comes 
back after a while.


Post test messages in mozilla.test.

I have copied you on this via email, in case you are having some problem 
seeing your posts in the group. Feel free to email me back if you are 
having a problem.


Lee

Thanks for offer Lee.  cheers. jim
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Re: test only

[jim]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

jim wrote:


jim



Jim, please, please, please don't post test messages in the support 
groups. We've been over and over this over the years, and it still comes 
back after a while.


Post test messages in mozilla.test.

I have copied you on this via email, in case you are having some problem 
seeing your posts in the group. Feel free to email me back if you are 
having a problem.


Lee

Thanks for your offer Lee.Cheers.   jim
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Re: test only

[jim]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

jim wrote:


jim



Jim, please, please, please don't post test messages in the support 
groups. We've been over and over this over the years, and it still comes 
back after a while.


Post test messages in mozilla.test.

I have copied you on this via email, in case you are having some problem 
seeing your posts in the group. Feel free to email me back if you are 
having a problem.


Lee

Thanks for offer Lee.  cheers. jim
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Re: about:crashes invalid url SM 2.0.3pre linux - 64bit

[NoOp]

On 01/11/2010 09:20 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 1/11/2010 5:08 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
>> rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100110 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre
>>
>> Anyone else getting this message in the 64bit version of SeaMonkey?
>>
>> - In the url bar enter: about:crashes
>> - Result on this system:
>>
>> Alert!
>> The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded.
>>
>> Works just fine on my 32bit SM - same 2.0.3pre version.
>>
> 
> Can you reply with the info from that about:buildconfig I'd like to see 
> if it includes breakpad based on that.
> 
> -
> ~Justin Wood (Callek)

Here you go & thanks for having a look. Also wish to add that I've tried
in a clean profile et al, so it doesn't seem to be profile related (that
I can tell). The install is simply an extract to a home folder & run
from that folder:

> about:buildconfig
> 
> Source
> 
> Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/rev/74a9c37bc887
> Build platform
> target
> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
> 
> Build tools
> Compiler  Version Compiler flags
> /tools/gcc/bin/gccgcc version 4.2.3   -Wall -W -Wno-unused 
> -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -W -Wno-long-long -pedantic -gstabs+ 
> -fno-strict-aliasing -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks 
> -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
> /tools/gcc/bin/g++gcc version 4.2.3   -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall 
> -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy 
> -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-long-long 
> -pedantic -gstabs+ -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG 
> -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
> 
> Configure arguments
> --enable-application=suite --enable-optimize --enable-update-channel=nightly 
> --enable-update-packaging --disable-debug --disable-tests --enable-codesighs 
> --enable-static --disable-shared --enable-application=suite --enable-optimize 
> --enable-update-channel=nightly --enable-update-packaging --disable-debug 
> --disable-tests --enable-codesighs --enable-static --disable-shared 
> --enable-application=../suite --disable-official-branding 
> --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly --disable-debug --enable-optimize 
> --enable-64bit --cache-file=.././config.cache 
> --srcdir=/builds/slave/comm-1.9.1-linux64-nightly/build/mozilla 


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Re: about:crashes invalid url SM 2.0.3pre linux - 64bit

[NoOp]

On 01/12/2010 04:11 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
>> Can you reply with the info from that about:buildconfig I'd like to see 
>> if it includes breakpad based on that.
>> 
>> -
>> ~Justin Wood (Callek)
> 
> Here you go & thanks for having a look. Also wish to add that I've tried
> in a clean profile et al, so it doesn't seem to be profile related (that
> I can tell). The install is simply an extract to a home folder & run
> from that folder:
> 
>> about:buildconfig
>> 
>> Source
>> 
>> Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/rev/74a9c37bc887
>> Build platform
>> target
>> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
>> 
>> Build tools
>> Compiler Version Compiler flags
>> /tools/gcc/bin/gcc   gcc version 4.2.3   -Wall -W -Wno-unused 
>> -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -W -Wno-long-long -pedantic -gstabs+ 
>> -fno-strict-aliasing -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks 
>> -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
>> /tools/gcc/bin/g++   gcc version 4.2.3   -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall 
>> -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy 
>> -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-long-long 
>> -pedantic -gstabs+ -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe 
>> -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions 
>> -finline-limit=50
>> 
>> Configure arguments
>> --enable-application=suite --enable-optimize --enable-update-channel=nightly 
>> --enable-update-packaging --disable-debug --disable-tests --enable-codesighs 
>> --enable-static --disable-shared --enable-application=suite 
>> --enable-optimize --enable-update-channel=nightly --enable-update-packaging 
>> --disable-debug --disable-tests --enable-codesighs --enable-static 
>> --disable-shared --enable-application=../suite --disable-official-branding 
>> --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly --disable-debug --enable-optimize 
>> --enable-64bit --cache-file=.././config.cache 
>> --srcdir=/builds/slave/comm-1.9.1-linux64-nightly/build/mozilla 
> 
> 

And from the 32bit system where about:crashes is working:

> about:buildconfig
> 
> Source
> 
> Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/rev/655f0b1c7f6a
> Build platform
> target
> i686-pc-linux-gnu
> 
> Build tools
> Compiler  Version Compiler flags
> /tools/gcc/bin/gccgcc version 4.1.2 20061011 (Red Hat 4.1.1-29)   -Wall 
> -W -Wno-unused -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -W -Wno-long-long -pedantic 
> -gstabs+ -fno-strict-aliasing -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os 
> -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
> /tools/gcc/bin/g++gcc version 4.1.2 20061011 (Red Hat 4.1.1-29)   
> -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth 
> -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align 
> -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-long-long -pedantic -gstabs+ -fno-strict-aliasing 
> -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks 
> -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
> 
> Configure arguments
> --enable-application=suite --enable-optimize --enable-update-channel=release 
> --enable-update-packaging --disable-debug --disable-tests --enable-static 
> --disable-shared --enable-application=suite --enable-optimize 
> --enable-update-channel=release --enable-update-packaging --disable-debug 
> --disable-tests --enable-static --disable-shared 
> --enable-application=../suite --disable-official-branding 
> --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly --disable-debug --enable-optimize 
> --cache-file=.././config.cache 
> --srcdir=/builds/slave/linux_build/build/mozilla 


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[jim]

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Re: chk

[NoOp]

On 01/12/2010 05:08 PM, jim wrote:
> jim
plonk

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Profile Manager

[David E. Ross]

Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager.  It is being
extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning.

I strongly suggest that any discussion of SeaMonkey impacts -- impacts
on either the development or end users of SeaMonkey -- be discussed in
the existing thread "Removal of the Profile Manager UI?" in that
newsgroup without replying to this message.

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Re: Bookmarks, etc, question repost..

[jim]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:34:14 -0500, Bill Davidsen  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>jim wrote:
>> (This is a repost, I got no reply previously.  Feel free to ask questions
>> in case I left something pertinent out.)
>> 
>How about why you are hijacking this thread about an unrelated topic?
>
>If you did that before you may have a hint why people ignored you.

Nice insult.  You employ hyperbole to effect.

I hope you made yourself feel better...
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Re: invoke composer

[Leonidas Jones]

Rick Merrill wrote:

When I go to "edit" an  HTML or HTM document
I would like Windows XP sp3 to know to use composer for the job.

After installing SM2.0._ Word takes over! SM1 used to do this just fine.

Is there a fix to the registry to make .HTM or .HTML files
"edit" with Composer?



Is SeaMonkey set as your default browser?

If so, double click on the local html file to open the page in the 
browser open the page in the browser, from which you can go File>>Edit 
Page to open Composer.  Its an estra step, but maybe just as easy as 
right click>>edit.


Lee


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Re: lose of folders on migration 2.0.2

[maxwell ludz]

On Jan 12, 6:48 pm, Smiles  wrote:
> OK I did it again moved from 1.1.18 to 2.0.2 and it got worse.
>
> last attempt by using all preset option old version was removed this
> time it stayed in place not all files migrated
>
> this is the end result of my main profile any comments
>
> thanks
>
> pasted from directory***
>     C:\Documents and Settings\Smiles\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\ro06av8e.slt\Mail\mail.XXX.ca
>
> ===
>     beavers-church
>     beavers-church.msf
>     client
>     client.msf
>     clubs
>     clubs.msf
>     Drafts
>     Drafts.msf
>     filterlog.html
>     friends
>     friends.msf
>     fun
>     fun.msf
>     garbage
>     garbage.msf
>     hold
>     hold.msf
>     Inbox
>     Inbox.msf
>     job
>     job.msf
>     laughs
>     laughs.msf
>     msgFilterRules.dat
>     MyView
>     MyView.msf
>     popstate.dat
>     Sent
>     Sent.msf
>     Templates
>     Templates.msf
>     tools
>     tools.msf
>     Trash
>     Trash.msf
>     undeliver
>     undeliver.msf
>
>     Total 37 file(s);  Size: 16309689 Byte(s)
>
> *
>     C:\Documents and Settings\Smiles\Application
> Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\p5gdxbu8.default\Mail\mail.XXX.ca
>
> =
>     Drafts
>     Drafts.msf
>     filterlog.html
>     hold
>     hold.msf
>     Inbox
>     Inbox.msf
>     msgFilterRules.dat
>     popstate.dat
>     Sent
>     Sent.msf
>     Trash
>     Trash.msf
>
>     Total 13 file(s);  Size: 1159285 Byte(s)
>    
>
> ***

Hey Smiles,

Sounds like your in a loop going
from 1x to 2x.

Had this problem

When I uninstalled 1.x had
to delete the old directory
included Add-Ons.

Maybe this will help
http://maxludz.blogspot.com/2009/12/problem-installing-seamonky-2x-from-1x.html

This is how I was able to get a clean install of 2.01 and
now running build 2.02

HTH
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Benoit Renard wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.
There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 


3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.


Of course, some reported "errors" are just plain silly:

Line 9, Column 47: Attribute "BORDER" is not a valid attribute. Did 
you mean "border"?


(from a frameset declaration)



XHTML requires all tag names and attributes to be lowercase. HTML does 
not. This only reinforces that the site serves fake XHTML.


As it happens, the page I fed it was plain vanilla HTML, but contained 
no doctype declaration. It runs fine because browsers don't care.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:56:20 -0600, Michael Gordon wrote:

> I have waited several months to see the improvements in SM 2.x, but all 
> I saw was a severely broken product.  SM 2.x trashed my address books, 
> pass words, forms, and all of the extensions I used for creating and 
> testing we pages.

That's impossible. SeaMonkey 2.0 does not use the same profile or
install location as SeaMonkey 1.1. SM 2.0 does not touch your 1.1
extensions, address books, passwords, etc at all.

Perhaps what you meant is that 2.0 failed to import your 1.1 profile.
You might not known that you can manually force migration using the
-migration command line switch but if you had asked here we could have
given you the right advice.

Phil

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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

[Ant]

On 1/12/2010 9:51 AM PT, Bill Davidsen typed:


Bah, it was fine on my new office machine and now it has duplicate
login prompts too. :(


Okay, problem solved, you now have consistent behavior everywhere. ;-)


Ha, yeah. And two different ISPs too. So we know it is the same 
usenet/news server account and SeaMonkey v2.




I have not looked at this in SM-2.0.x but is it possible that you have
number of threads set to more than one, and you get asked every time a
thread connects. I'm still on 1.1.xx here, as I need functional forms,
but that seems possible.


Hmm, how is that possible? I never saw anything about multiple threads. 
I thought SM's newsreaders only use one thread connection at a time.


And why still on v1.1.x? :(



Does Windows have any functional network sniffer software built in?
Linux has several applications which will let you see if the AUTHINFO is
actually needed multiple times, I'm betting it is, but I have no idea why.


I tried your suggestion with the latest version of WireShark in my 
Windows XP Pro. SP3 system and copied and pasted from the first to the 
last nntp entries with other non-nntp entries:


Frame 4 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4), Dst: 
Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72)
Internet Protocol, Src: 76.13.15.32 (76.13.15.32), Dst: 192.168.1.2 
(192.168.1.2)
Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: mmcc (5050), Dst Port: 
avauthsrvprtcl (2068), Seq: 1, Ack: 34, Len: 0


No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
  5 8.02192.168.1.2  192.168.0.1   DNS 
 Standard query A nntp.earthlink.net


Frame 5 (78 bytes on wire, 78 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72), Dst: 
Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4)
Internet Protocol, Src: 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2), Dst: 192.168.0.1 
(192.168.0.1)

User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 52800 (52800), Dst Port: domain (53)
Domain Name System (query)

No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
  6 8.294778192.168.0.1   192.168.1.2  DNS 
 Standard query response CNAME earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net CNAME 
earthlink.us.supernews.com A 216.168.3.70


Frame 6 (177 bytes on wire, 177 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4), Dst: 
Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72)
Internet Protocol, Src: 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), Dst: 192.168.1.2 
(192.168.1.2)

User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: domain (53), Dst Port: 52800 (52800)
Domain Name System (response)

No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
  7 8.295979192.168.1.2  216.168.3.70  TCP 
 remote-collab > nntp [SYN] Seq=0 Win=64240 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=0


Frame 7 (66 bytes on wire, 66 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72), Dst: 
Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4)
Internet Protocol, Src: 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2), Dst: 216.168.3.70 
(216.168.3.70)
Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: remote-collab (2250), Dst Port: 
nntp (119), Seq: 0, Len: 0


No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
  8 8.296597192.168.1.2  216.168.3.70  TCP 
 dif-port > nntp [SYN] Seq=0 Win=64240 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=0


Frame 8 (66 bytes on wire, 66 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72), Dst: 
Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4)
Internet Protocol, Src: 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2), Dst: 216.168.3.70 
(216.168.3.70)
Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: dif-port (2251), Dst Port: nntp 
(119), Seq: 0, Len: 0


No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
  9 8.419314216.168.3.70  192.168.1.2  TCP 
 nntp > remote-collab [SYN, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=1 Win=5840 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=7


Frame 9 (66 bytes on wire, 66 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4), Dst: 
Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72)
Internet Protocol, Src: 216.168.3.70 (216.168.3.70), Dst: 192.168.1.2 
(192.168.1.2)
Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: nntp (119), Dst Port: 
remote-collab (2250), Seq: 0, Ack: 1, Len: 0


No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
 10 8.419470192.168.1.2  216.168.3.70  TCP 
 remote-collab > nntp [ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=64240 Len=0


Frame 10 (54 bytes on wire, 54 bytes captured)
Ethernet II, Src: Micro-St_1a:c6:72 (00:21:85:1a:c6:72), Dst: 
Cisco-Li_4a:c8:b4 (00:25:9c:4a:c8:b4)
Internet Protocol, Src: 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2), Dst: 216.168.3.70 
(216.168.3.70)
Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: remote-collab (2250), Dst Port: 
nntp (119), Seq: 1, Ack: 1, Len: 0


No. TimeSourceDestination   Protocol 
Info
 11 8.419634216.168.3.70  192.168.1.2  TCP 
 nntp > dif-port [SYN, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=1 Win=5