Re: Two Problems after Migration to Seamonkey2.x

2010-02-05 Thread Ksteinsky



Daniel schrieb:

Ksteinsky wrote:

Hi,

A): the info-msg after download of emails appears less than one second.
I lost already control over downloaded emails and found them days later.

Q: what can I do that this msg remains until next user action starts.



I'm guessing you have View-Threads set to something like Unread.
Might work better if you set it to All or Thread with Unread.



Can you tell me where this possibility is (preferences or about:config)?
Thanks.Karl




B): I am the -only-user of the desktop.

Q: How can i prevent either the password-dialog or to make it easy by
just hitting the enterkey. The predecessor of seamonkey (1.1.8) did it.


I'm guessing that you have set a Master Password. It's come up before
and it'll come up again!

I did not use any password in the past! Can you give a reference that i 
can read it in some more details. Thanks. Karl



Do a Search here looking for posts with the word Password in the title.

HTH

Daniel

Some info what i did for migration. I am using seamonkey several years 
and any subversion I unzipped it and renamed its new directory 
(seamonkey) as well as the old one. The same i did to go to SM 2.0.2

and beside the new created profile nothing is done.

Thanks and have a nice day, Karl
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Re: Two Problems after Migration to Seamonkey2.x

2010-02-05 Thread Leonidas Jones

Ksteinsky wrote:



Daniel schrieb:

Ksteinsky wrote:

Hi,

A): the info-msg after download of emails appears less than one second.
I lost already control over downloaded emails and found them days later.

Q: what can I do that this msg remains until next user action starts.



I'm guessing you have View-Threads set to something like Unread.
Might work better if you set it to All or Thread with Unread.



Can you tell me where this possibility is (preferences or about:config)?
Thanks.Karl



Look in the Menu bar, dropping down the View menu. Click Threads to see 
what is selected.


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Re: Time-Out Settings?

2010-02-05 Thread chicagofan

Cedar wrote:

I'm just taking a wild guess here!  Is there such a thing as a time-out
setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to
keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try
again, etc., etc.?  Is that what a time-out even is?  If there is such
a changeable setting, where could it be found?




In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network  Storage/Mail Connections
you can change your Connection Timeout:  [] seconds.

Let us know if it works for you, some people doubt it is working.  :)

I changed mine, and it seemed to work for me, but I was reducing the
default time.
bj


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Re: Time-Out Settings?

2010-02-05 Thread chicagofan

chicagofan wrote:

Cedar wrote:

I'm just taking a wild guess here!  Is there such a thing as a time-out
setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to
keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try
again, etc., etc.?  Is that what a time-out even is?  If there is such
a changeable setting, where could it be found?




In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network  Storage/Mail Connections
you can change your Connection Timeout:  [] seconds.

Let us know if it works for you, some people doubt it is working.  :)

I changed mine, and it seemed to work for me, but I was reducing the
default time.
bj


Oops... I just realized that setting is apparently just for mail 
connections.

Sorry about that.   :(
bj


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Re: NBA.com home page's link header not working in SeaMonkey v2.0.2 Linux?

2010-02-05 Thread Phillip Pi

On 2/4/2010 11:52 PM PT, Ant typed:


Done! Did you report it too? Now, will they reply and/or fix the
problem? :(


I got a reply:

From: NBA_Letters/NY/NBA NBA_Letters/NY/n...@nba.com
To: ant
Subject: Re: General Comments / Suggestions
X-KeepSent: 122511B0:AF205FCE-852576C1:0075B9E0;
 type=4; name=$KeepSent
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 August 07, 2008
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:26:19 -0500
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NJNSMTP2/SERVER/NBA(Release 
8.0.2FP1|January 12, 2009) at

 02/05/2010 04:26:26 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/05/2010 04:26:26 PM

[-- Autoview using /usr/bin/htmlview '/tmp/muttHSgUoA' --]
   Dear Ant,

   Thank you for notifying us of your observations on NBA.com.

   Your comments and feedback help us improve all aspects of the NBA, 
and we

   thank you for your continued support.

   Sincerely,

   NBA Fan Relations
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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

I still find it
useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be
there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB.


Unless someone comes up and writes code that implements them based on 
the SM2 base - and everyone is welcome to that.




I am sad that SM went with the FF browser intead of following the webkit
route


Webkit was never in any discussion, I wonder why you think it was. 
Mozilla is not in any way related to Webkit and SeaMonkey is and always 
was a complete Mozilla project. So I have no idea what you are up to 
here right now other than to play a troll...


Seamonkey had the chance at 2.x to go in another direction, and chose to 
continue using the old software in a slightly updated form, while a number of 
other browsers went with webkit. And it may never have been in play, however 
you choose to define that, but I believe that I mentioned my hope that it would 
be in the new Seamonkey, so you were not unaware that webkit existed and was 
getting contributions from other browsers.



I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that.


Feel free to write a patch.

And do what with it? There seems to be no established place where patches are 
posted for testing and comment, I have the impression that unlink LKML there 
isn't a mailing list for public patch testing, just the once a day release of 
code submitted by developers.


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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with an
extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the mozilla
big-wigs. They don't want it.


An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would be a 
thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about wanting or 
not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee security. This seems 
to be a concept that a number of people here don't seem to grasp anyhow, 
or intentionally neglect.


The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you to guarantee 
security or anything else, we just want the option of JS on a per-newsgroup or 
rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned off, I'm comfortable that the option 
to turn it on have all sorts of warnings, but you sound like a mix of Microsodft 
and a smothering mother, saying that you know whats best. It's one thing to to 
leave a feature out because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user choice 
is a different thing.


No JS as a global option is a prudent choice, no way to turn it on in trusted 
environments is removal of a feature some of us find useful. People who ignore 
the warning and want it on either know what they are doing, or should be allowed 
to take themselves out of the gene pool.


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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

Mike C wrote:

I'm sticking with v1.1.18 because of the add ons (mainly RoboForm).

I'd be curious to see how many of you are also sticking with v1.1.18 for 
the time being.  Reasons??


I run 1.1.18 on machines which use forms heavily. The forms management in the 
2.x Seamonkey is inconvenient (I'm being polite) when the same form is filled 
with a number of sets of data.


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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: 
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.



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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: 
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.



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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread Rufus

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with an
extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the mozilla
big-wigs. They don't want it.


An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would be 
a thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about 
wanting or not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee 
security. This seems to be a concept that a number of people here 
don't seem to grasp anyhow, or intentionally neglect.


The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you to 
guarantee security or anything else, we just want the option of JS on a 
per-newsgroup or rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned off, I'm 
comfortable that the option to turn it on have all sorts of warnings, 
but you sound like a mix of Microsodft and a smothering mother, saying 
that you know whats best. It's one thing to to leave a feature out 
because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user choice is a 
different thing.


No JS as a global option is a prudent choice, no way to turn it on in 
trusted environments is removal of a feature some of us find useful. 
People who ignore the warning and want it on either know what they are 
doing, or should be allowed to take themselves out of the gene pool.




Well stated.

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

George Carden wrote:

I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: 
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.


Many, if not most, of the themes and extensions I use require turning off the 
compatibility check. I would suggest that a setting of ask rather than just 
true or false would be appropriate but this is a boolean, and I think only 
documented in the posts of developers. If ask were available, noting if the 
item was compatible with any SM 2.x version would be useful.


Anyway, make your own choice if you should disable that check or not, it drops 
responsibility on you.


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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen

Bill Davidsen wrote:

My apoligies for the replies without content, it looks as if the CNTL key on my 
keyboard stuck or the system lost track of the setting. When I hit ENTER for the 
next line the message was sent.



George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message: 
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.






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Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-05 Thread Robert Kaiser

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Seamonkey had the chance at 2.x to go in another direction, and chose to
continue using the old software in a slightly updated form, while a
number of other browsers went with webkit. And it may never have been
in play, however you choose to define that, but I believe that I
mentioned my hope that it would be in the new Seamonkey, so you were not
unaware that webkit existed and was getting contributions from other
browsers.


But, to say it again: Webkit is not related to Mozilla in any way, and 
SeaMonkey is a 100% Mozilla project.
Also, the whole XML-based UI and add-ons system just doesn't work based 
on webkit, but does based on Gecko, which is much more sophisitcated.



I want watched threads in mail, too, but we never had that.


Feel free to write a patch.


And do what with it? There seems to be no established place where
patches are posted for testing and comment, I have the impression that
unlink LKML there isn't a mailing list for public patch testing, just
the once a day release of code submitted by developers.


The place for patches and reviews is bugzilla.mozilla.org for SeaMonkey 
just like for the whole Mozilla community.


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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread Robert Kaiser

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with an
extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the mozilla
big-wigs. They don't want it.


An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would be
a thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about
wanting or not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee
security. This seems to be a concept that a number of people here
don't seem to grasp anyhow, or intentionally neglect.


The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you to
guarantee security or anything else, we just want the option of JS on a
per-newsgroup or rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned off, I'm
comfortable that the option to turn it on have all sorts of warnings,
but you sound like a mix of Microsodft and a smothering mother, saying
that you know whats best. It's one thing to to leave a feature out
because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user choice is a
different thing.


1) Think before you talk. RSS feeds actually allow JS even in the 
current setting, as they load WEB PAGES.


2) I'm not a code module owner for the message display pane or the 
docshell where this code is implemented, so all I can do is relay their 
decisions to you. We're not a top-down hierarchical organization, but a 
community where specific people and groups own and care about specific 
parts of the code, and they decide things like that with respect to the 
code they own.


3) While I could be persuaded to sell weapons, you could never get me to 
sell a weapon that has an actual switch for aiming the shoot explicitely 
on your foot, or any other part of yourself.


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SM 2.x + tabs w/newsgroups

2010-02-05 Thread NoOp
I often find that if I open a newsgroup in another tab in mail/news the
header count for those newsgroups aren't updated unless I then select
another newsgroup and then click back into the newsgroup.

An example might be if I were to open mozilla.support.seamonkey in a new
MN tab (right-click  select Open in a new tab'. The msg count is not
updated. I then select mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey (from the same tab)
and then click back to mozilla.support.seamonkey and the proper msg
count appears. Anyone else see a similar issue and/or can reproduce?

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7)
Gecko/20100130 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.2

but the same if I use from Windows.

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2.0.2 in Vista - the browser crashes silently, leaving an unkillable process that prevents running Seamonkey.

2010-02-05 Thread Pat Welch

Hi.

This has gotten to the point I'm going to have to abandon SM 2.x soon. I 
never saw this in any 1.x version.


I'm on 32-bit Windows Vista SP2 running on an HP notebook with the AMD 
Turion dual-core chip, 3 MB RAM.


After about 8 hours of use, suddenly the browser stops working in a 
curious way - clicking on a bookmark or an embedded URL silently 
presents a blank page, no complaints, just no pages will display.


Email continues to work, until I close all Seamonkey instances while 
trying to fix the problem.


What happens then is Seamonkey pops up a box that complains it is 
already running, and to close that Seamonkey before trying to run.


But there are no visible instances of Seamonkey running.

Going to the Task Manager, I see an instance of Seamonkey IS running. So 
I kill it in Task Manager.

Then I kill it again.
Then I kill it again ... etc. etc.

The Seamonkey process is unkillable.

I have to at this point re-boot before the browser starts working again.

What can I do to help get this fixed? There is no crash report because 
Seamonkey is unaware it's munged and unreachable.


Help!

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Phillip Jones

Bill Davidsen wrote:

George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message:
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.



I was able to install and even use it but could not find a program to 
open it.
MicroSoft. Excel 2008 or 2004 are supposed to open cvs files. when 
trying to open was not recognized.


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Re: NBA.com home page's link header not working in SeaMonkey v2.0.2 Linux?

2010-02-05 Thread NoOp
On 02/04/2010 11:52 PM, Ant wrote:
 On 2/4/2010 8:15 AM PT, NoOp typed:
...

 And file a bug: Help|Report Broken Website
 
 Done! Did you report it too? Now, will they reply and/or fix the problem? :(

No. I'm not an NBA fan (well I do like Charles Barkley).

Actually I found that if you just turn off javascript[1] the dropdowns
work. Of course the results are still screwed up (as is the site overall).

[1] http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

+
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.nba.comcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0
[Validation Output:  209 Errors]

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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread NoOp
On 02/05/2010 06:25 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
 Bill Davidsen wrote:
 George Carden

 I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message:
 Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not
 compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.


 I was able to install and even use it but could not find a program to 
 open it.
 MicroSoft. Excel 2008 or 2004 are supposed to open cvs files. when 
 trying to open was not recognized.
 


Perhaps there is a 'operator headspace issue'; I can save as an xml and
open the resulting file from SeaMonkey: File|Open File (from the
browser) and see the results. I can also save as a .csv - simply give it
a .csv filename extension and open in OpenOffice.org (click tabs as the
seperator). If OOo can open it, Excel can.



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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Phillip Jones

NoOp wrote:

On 02/05/2010 06:25 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message:
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.




I was able to install and even use it but could not find a program to
open it.
MicroSoft. Excel 2008 or 2004 are supposed to open cvs files. when
trying to open was not recognized.




Perhaps there is a 'operator headspace issue'; I can save as an xml and
open the resulting file from SeaMonkey: File|Open File (from the
browser) and see the results. I can also save as a .csv - simply give it
a .csv filename extension and open in OpenOffice.org (click tabs as the
seperator). If OOo can open it, Excel can.



what's hard about opening Word or Excel and pointing to the cvs file 
and when you point to it it greyed out which indicated it unsupported. 
and when you save as xml and try opening with SM2 all that shows up is 
the Quicktime symbol with with question mark over top which indicates 
unsupported type. I've been using a Mac since 1986 (SE/30) so I think I 
know how to open files.


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Re: Printing passwords in V 2

2010-02-05 Thread Phillip Jones

NoOp wrote:

On 02/05/2010 06:25 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

George Carden


I tried to install it, and I get the Incompatible Extension message:
Password Exporter 1.2 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.2.




I was able to install and even use it but could not find a program to
open it.
MicroSoft. Excel 2008 or 2004 are supposed to open cvs files. when
trying to open was not recognized.




Perhaps there is a 'operator headspace issue'; I can save as an xml and
open the resulting file from SeaMonkey: File|Open File (from the
browser) and see the results. I can also save as a .csv - simply give it
a .csv filename extension and open in OpenOffice.org (click tabs as the
seperator). If OOo can open it, Excel can.




Don't have OpenOffice.

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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread BJ

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with an
extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the mozilla
big-wigs. They don't want it.


An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would be
a thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about
wanting or not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee
security. This seems to be a concept that a number of people here
don't seem to grasp anyhow, or intentionally neglect.


The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you to
guarantee security or anything else, we just want the option of JS on a
per-newsgroup or rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned off, I'm
comfortable that the option to turn it on have all sorts of warnings,
but you sound like a mix of Microsodft and a smothering mother, saying
that you know whats best. It's one thing to to leave a feature out
because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user choice is a
different thing.

No JS as a global option is a prudent choice, no way to turn it on in
trusted environments is removal of a feature some of us find useful.
People who ignore the warning and want it on either know what they are
doing, or should be allowed to take themselves out of the gene pool.



While I agree 100% with your evaluation (particularly about culling the 
herd of idiots that compromise their own machine without knowing what 
they're doing), I can see the flip side of the argument.


That idiot that enables JS and catches malware because of it is going to 
look for someone to blame other than him/herself.  The likely target 
will be SM and the SM developers.


So my suspicion is that SM is doing some defensive PR by not including 
the capability to read JS.  They're avoiding the headline:  SeaMonkey 
is insecure because it can enable JS.  Nevermind the real cause:  that 
idiot.


Not justifying SM's position on this, but just speculating on the 
motive.  Probably a business decision.


BJ
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Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)

2010-02-05 Thread »Q«
In news:dqwdnzferonvpfhwnz2dnuvz_t6dn...@mozilla.org,
Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote:

 Robert Kaiser wrote:
  Phillip Jones schrieb:
  As I said, It ain't going to happen, Unless someone comes up with
  an extension to add it back. And that not going to pass with the
  mozilla big-wigs. They don't want it.
  
  An extension probably cannot change this, what it would need would
  be a thorough security review of the affected code. It's not about
  wanting or not wanting it, it's about being able to guarantee
  security. This seems to be a concept that a number of people here
  don't seem to grasp anyhow, or intentionally neglect.
 
 The concept missed is that's its OUR computer. No one is asking you
 to guarantee security or anything else, we just want the option of JS
 on a per-newsgroup or rss feed basis. I agree it should be turned
 off, I'm comfortable that the option to turn it on have all sorts of
 warnings, but you sound like a mix of Microsodft and a smothering
 mother, saying that you know whats best. It's one thing to to leave a
 feature out because it isn't in TB or FF, but to take away user
 choice is a different thing.  

Releasing something that will run incoming javascript without any
security model in place to the public (not just to *your* computer)
would be so insanely irresponsible that you can't find any software
vendor willing to do it.  This isn't in the category of things that
should be off by default because they're risky or things that should
carry warnings because they're risky, it's firmly in the category of
things nobody is ever going to release because they would be
intentionally harming users.
  
And since neither SeaMonkey nor Mozilla Messaging have the resources to
implement a working security model for it, you're stuck.

The options are to hire someone (expensive, since it will have to be a
security expert) to do it or to convince Mozilla Messaging that it's so
vitally important that they should drop other things to work on it.

Trying to convince the SM team that it's so vitally important that they
should do it won't do any good, since even if they came to agree with
you, they *can't* do it;  they don't have enough people to do it and
they don't have the right skills to do it.

(And, FWIW, you can have javascript in RSS feeds executed by SM.)

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