[Partially resolved] Re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/

[NoOp]

On 03/22/2010 05:20 PM, NoOp wrote:
> Anyone using https://bugs.launchpad.net/? I've found that since they've
> upgraded the system recently that the openid logouts/posting/adding
> attachements etc., are not working with SeaMonkey (2.0.x). However all
> works w/Firefox (3.5.x & 3.6.x)
> 
> I find that once logged in I can't logout unless I clear the session
> cookie. It doesn't appear to be a browser sniffing issue, as I've
> spoofed w/the same results. I've also tried from a clean test profile.
> Not sure how to troubleshoot... I reckon that I can use Firefox to
> submit a launchpad bug, but figured that I'd check here first to see if
> anyone else is experiencing the same problem.
> 

I was wrong... it appears to be something in the profile. When I create
a completely new profile (SM 2.0.4 linux) everything seems to work.
Note: I'd installed the 'Form Manager' add-on about the same time, so I
wonder if that may have something to do with it.

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Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.19 on mac....

[Rufus]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 3/20/2010 7:55 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb:

* Firefox from a relevant build at:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/3.0.19-candidates/build1/ 







This is much newer code than TB 2.0.0.24 or SM 1.1.19, but I guess it
may still run on some older Macs as well, esp. on Tiger.


Hmm was half asleep when I made the links, willing to identify the
builds that match SM 1.1.19 then, so we can get accurate reference
points (for me to actually look at bonsai with).



I'm here to test, when ready.

Lee


I just installed SM 1.1.19 on my G4/500 Sawtooth running 10.4.11 - it
launches and runs just fine.

I moved my previous app (SM 1.1.18) to the Trash first, then dragged
over 1.1.19 in it's place and launched it, surfed a bit. No problems.



Interesting.  It would seem that your Tiger machine is a twin to mine. 
The only thing I see different in our experiences was that 1.1.18 was 
not installed when I installed 1.1.19.  I had already upgraded to 2.0, 
and had removed the older version.  The old profile was still there, as 
was a profile for Netscape 7.2, so I had expected 1.1.19 to pick up the 
old profiles, but no such luck.


Then again, my Panther Sawtooth did have 1.1.18 installed, and I 
installed 1.1.19 as you did, but without success.  I had to revert to 
1.1.18 to get a working browser.


Lee


I did delete the 1.1.18 app, but I left my Mozilla folder and it's 
contents intact.  SM 1.1.19 just picked up and ran with it.  Then I 
emptied the Trash to get rid of the 1.1.18 app and launched again - no 
problems.


Interesting...I have a Netscape install on my machine, too.  Only 
difference is that I've never upgraded that one to SM 2.x.  I've only 
got 2.x running on my Macbook Pro and G5 iMac, running 10.6.2 and 10.5.x 
respectively.


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https://bugs.launchpad.net/

[NoOp]

Anyone using https://bugs.launchpad.net/? I've found that since they've
upgraded the system recently that the openid logouts/posting/adding
attachements etc., are not working with SeaMonkey (2.0.x). However all
works w/Firefox (3.5.x & 3.6.x)

I find that once logged in I can't logout unless I clear the session
cookie. It doesn't appear to be a browser sniffing issue, as I've
spoofed w/the same results. I've also tried from a clean test profile.
Not sure how to troubleshoot... I reckon that I can use Firefox to
submit a launchpad bug, but figured that I'd check here first to see if
anyone else is experiencing the same problem.

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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Monica]

JAS wrote:

Monica wrote:

JAS wrote:

Monica wrote:

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait énoncé :

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait prétendu :

Daniel wrote:

Monica wrote:

Since the last update to the current 2.0.3. I have 2 profiles in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ The

first one (which has all my stuff in it) [random string].slt and
the
second one [random string].default

I have never created more than one, but suspect that SM for some
reason
has created the second one, which I think may be messing a few
things up
for me (that I´ve posted about in another thread).

I read another posting here which said that the Mail folder
should be in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[random


string].default\Mail My mail (and everything else of my stuff)
does not
sit in the profile with the .default ending but in the profile
with the
.slt ending. How can I go about to correct this? Can I just
delete the
.default one?

Any help will be much appreciated.

Monica



Monica, did you upgrade from SM 1.x?? I think it called its
profiles
".slt" whereas SM 2 calls it ".default"

I think!!

Daniel

I am not sure (can´t remember) if it was this last time I upgraded
from
SM 1.x or just did an update within SM2.x. I think the latter,
because I
think I can recall being annoyed at the update being done
automatically
without me being asked first. I know now that I can untick a box
for
that, which I did today. That .slt variant may have been with me
ever
since I upgraded to SM2 and I just haven´t noticed anything wrong
until
I needed to perform certain things lately.



Do you know what can be done about this though?

Select in Tools|switch profile.
Then manage profiles.


I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the
profile I
want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
whatever reason.

Well the subject of your question is about profiles.
So you can manage them through the way I provided.


Sorry but that does not answer my initial questions. "My mail (and
everything else of my stuff) does not sit in the profile with the
.default ending but in the profile with the .slt ending. How can I go
about to correct this? Can I just delete the .default one?"




Did you choose to import your old profile info when you installed 2.0.3
or such?

Yes I did, but for some reason it was not installed into the .default
profile which SM creates, but into a separate profile with the ending
.slt
If not the default will be void of any profile info and you

will have to import the information from your old profile manually.

I have all the info from my old profile in my current SM 2.0.3
version. The only thing I am concerned about is that the profile I use
does not have the .default ending that it´s evidently supposed to have
(insted it has .slt).

Can I just delete the non used .default profile and give my working
.slt one the .default ending that it´s supposed to have?


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey




I would not delete anything right now but maybe rename the .slt profile
to .sltold and restart SM and making sure it is pointing

..."it" =what is it?
 >to the new install by right clicking on the icon
what icon?
 >and select properties and see where the target is
are you talking about where the seamonkey.exe file is?
 >and see what happens.

Sorry about all those questions, but your thoughts just aren´t clear to 
me since I´m not too familiar with things like this.


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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Monica]

Daniel wrote:

Monica wrote:

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait prétendu :

Daniel wrote:

Monica wrote:

Since the last update to the current 2.0.3. I have 2 profiles in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ The
first one (which has all my stuff in it) [random string].slt and the
second one [random string].default

I have never created more than one, but suspect that SM for some
reason
has created the second one, which I think may be messing a few
things up
for me (that I´ve posted about in another thread).

I read another posting here which said that the Mail folder should
be in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[random

string].default\Mail My mail (and everything else of my stuff) does
not
sit in the profile with the .default ending but in the profile with
the
.slt ending. How can I go about to correct this? Can I just delete
the
.default one?

Any help will be much appreciated.

Monica



Monica, did you upgrade from SM 1.x?? I think it called its profiles
".slt" whereas SM 2 calls it ".default"

I think!!

Daniel

I am not sure (can´t remember) if it was this last time I upgraded from
SM 1.x or just did an update within SM2.x. I think the latter,
because I
think I can recall being annoyed at the update being done automatically
without me being asked first. I know now that I can untick a box for
that, which I did today. That .slt variant may have been with me ever
since I upgraded to SM2 and I just haven´t noticed anything wrong until
I needed to perform certain things lately.



Do you know what can be done about this though?

Select in Tools|switch profile.
Then manage profiles.


I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the profile I
want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
whatever reason.


O.K., Monica, forget the "Manage Profiles" bit for now. Just select
Tools->Switch profiles and check out what the other profile/s contains.

When you installed SM 2.0.x, it should have made a copy of your SM
1.1.xx profile (the .slt one) and called the new one ".default". If your
SM 1 profile is still there, it will not have your latest email, for
example, but would be complete upto your change-over date. Just check it
out!

Daniel
I just switched profiles to check out what the other (.default) profile 
contains. It really doesn´t contain anything of mine. It´s just an 
original "default" profile from the update ( or upgrade?) made November 
19, 2009. Was that maybe when SM2 came out (and I upgraded from SM1)?


The profile I am using (the .slt one) has everything from my old profile 
and up to current time.

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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Monica]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Monica wrote:

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait énoncé :



I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the
profile I
want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
whatever reason.

Well the subject of your question is about profiles.
So you can manage them through the way I provided.


Sorry but that does not answer my initial questions. "My mail (and
everything else of my stuff) does not sit in the profile with the
.default ending but in the profile with the .slt ending. How can I go
about to correct this? Can I just delete the .default one?"


The object is to find out what profiles SM2 thinks you have. I think
it's possible to have SM2 using files in the wrong place, and so sharing
the old SM1 locations.


As far as I understand SM2 is not using a profile (my working .slt one) 
sitting in the wrong place. Isn´t this the path it´s supposed to be in 
for SM2; C:\Documents and

 Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\

 I can't do it deliberately, but there seems to be

some install issue which confuses the issue.

I would not delete anything unless you know what to backup. You are on
Windows, so I would not dare give you more advice than that.




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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Monica]

Mark Hansen wrote:

[ goodness, please trim replies... ]

On 3/22/2010 4:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

O.K., Monica, forget the "Manage Profiles" bit for now. Just select
Tools->Switch profiles and check out what the other profile/s contains.

When you installed SM 2.0.x, it should have made a copy of your SM
1.1.xx profile (the .slt one) and called the new one ".default". If your
SM 1 profile is still there, it will not have your latest email, for
example, but would be complete upto your change-over date. Just check it
out!

Daniel


But doesn't SM 1.x and SM 2.x each place their profile directories in
different locations (by default)? Aren't the two profiles being discussed
here in the same directory?

That seems suspicious to me.


Yes the two profiles are in the same directory!
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Re: Clear Private Data - linux/Windows

[David E. Ross]

On 3/22/10 9:47 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 03/21/2010 08:16 PM, NoOp wrote:
 I notice (now that I'm testing builds on Win7) that the 'Clear Private
 Data' buttons on Windows and linux are reversed:

 Linux
 - 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the left
 Windows
 - 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the right

 Any reason for the difference?
 (SeaMonkey 2.0.4)

>>>
>>> Sorry, the reverse of the above. I've several systems running right now
>>> &  forgot which screen I was looking at.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> NoOp, where are you seeing these buttons??
>>
>> On Linux, SM 2.0.3, Edit->Preferences->Privacy & Security only shows a 
>> "Clear Now" bottom!
>>
> Tools->Clear private data. But I don't see a button, either.
> 
> 

On the menu bar, select [Edit > Preferences].  On the left side of the
Preferences window, select Privacy & Security (not any of the subsidiary
selections for Privacy & Security).

On the Privacy & Security pane, I see checkboxes for options when
clearing private data.  I also see a "Clear Now" button to the right of
the "Ask me before clearing private data" checkbox.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3

-- 
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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[Paul B. Gallagher]

JeffM wrote:


People who still click links in email deserve what they get.
(Phished.)


Not so fast. Not all links are bad, and there are good practices that 
help you avoid that. For example, if a colleague at ABC Corp, whom you 
already know and trust, invites you to visit http://www.abccorp.com, and 
you mouse over the link and see the same address in the status bar, 
you're probably OK. On the other hand, if a stranger invites you to 
confirm that you've changed your bank password, and the link appears to 
be to your bank but the status bar shows http://cfm.cn/phishing.asp, 
you'd be well advised to avoid it.


A similar argument can be made for attachments. I know some paranoids 
who say you should never open any attachment of any kind from anyone. 
But my job requires me to receive files from clients for processing, and 
to return my work product to them as an attachment. The whole process 
would come to a screeching halt if we refused to open each other's 
files, and I'd have to find another line of work. So I take reasonable 
precautions, scan incoming files for viruses, etc.


And I'm not going to stop driving my car because some people 
occasionally have accidents.


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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[David E. Ross]

On 3/22/10 9:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> That's true of web pages as well, perhaps more so, people add flash, 
> javascript, 
> and all manner of other things. Bold or italics to make meaning clear, links 
> with the URL and display text separate for clarity.

No amount of Flash, strange fonts, or scripts can substitute for
literate writing.  What Strunk and White wrote in "The Elements of
Style" in the middle of the last century is still valid today.


> As I noted before, HTML allows more control to the reader, so it is readable 
> on 
> everything from a cell phone to an HDTV sized monitor. Text will be too wide 
> on 
> one device, and too narrow on another. The simple lists seem totally 
> portable, I 
> mail a newsletter to hundreds of people, and get no complaints, I know they 
> work 
> on IE, Safari, iPhones, the Verizon "touch" phones, and Blackberries. And 
> people 
> can diddle the display width before printing the message, too.
> 
> I'm sure my response to JeffM was as harsh, but there are clear benefits to 
> HTML 
> in a multi-display world, as well as to having color when the display 
> supports it.
> 
> Finally, unless you not only drop HTML but drop MIME as well, you will get 
> HTML 
> attachments. If size is an issue, limit size, but in general people are just 
> using HTML, and your choices are to admit the 80's are over, or posting 
> off-topic rants in response to valid technical questions. When someone says 
> "how 
> do I?" a response of "only stupid people would want to do that" is off topic 
> in 
> my book.

I use only plain ASCII for E-mail.  No one ever complained to me about
the formatting or appearance of my messages.  The same cannot always be
said about HTML-formatted messages.

Early this year, I analyzed 20 HTML-formatted messages.  They contained
an average of 4.6 HTML syntax errors per KB of file size.  (The file
sizes were bloated by HTML formatting to 4.6 times the size of the
equivalent ASCII-formatted content.)  These syntax errors can have
several results:

*   E-mail applications may have trouble viewing HTML-formatted messages
generated by different applications.

*   Those E-mail applications that have no trouble viewing
HTML-formatted messages generated by different applications might not be
able to quote properly the original message when replying or forwarding.

*   Audio E-mail applications for the visually handicapped might not be
able to read the messages.  (This can have severe consequences for
businesses in the U.S. whose E-mail messages violate the Americans with
Disabilities Act.)

-- 
David E. Ross


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Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

[Mark Hansen]

On 3/22/2010 9:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 3/21/2010 7:23 AM, Benoit Renard wrote:
>>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
 Benoit Renard schrieb:
> As another user demonstrated, the subject line makes
> one think that support has been dropped, and that's it.
 And that's exactly what the announcement intended to do. Success on all 
 targets.
>>> Except that your announcement contradicts this, because it also 
>>> announces that for those who want to stay with 1.1.x that 1.1.19 is 
>>> available. Or do you really want everyone to stay with 1.1.18 and have 
>>> all the work on 1.1.19 be for nothing?
>> 
>> Huh? Where did you get that? Did you even read the announcement? It
>> really doesn't sounds like it.
>> 
>> For example, as part of that message, he said (paraphrased):
>> 
>> SM 1.x is really old.
> 
> Given that 2.x release is only out less than a year, that's political spin 
> more 
> than any conventional understanding of "really old." v1.1.17 was released in 
> about June of last year, 1.1.18 after that. A serious form filler has only 
> been 
> out a few months, so many people couldn't think of migrating before that.

I think the original message was referring to 1.X as a product line.
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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[JeffM]

>MCBastos wrote:
>>Bold or italics to make meaning clear,
>>
As Ross mentions in his page,
too often people think tricks are a substitue for clearly-written
prose.

>>links with the URL and display text separate for clarity.
>>
People who still click links in email deserve what they get.
(Phished.)

Bill Davidsen wrote:
>people can diddle the display width
>before printing the message, too.
>
If you want something to print properly every time,
HTML is *not* the proper format to use.
Portable Document Format (PDF) gives a 100% solution here
--no diddling necessary.

>there are clear benefits to HTML
>
Not in email.  Way too many variables.

If what you want is that
everyone sees your stuff with the *same* layout,
make the last step in your creation process **Save as PDF**.
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Re: Clear Private Data - linux/Windows

[NoOp]

On 03/22/2010 10:47 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 03/21/2010 08:16 PM, NoOp wrote:
 I notice (now that I'm testing builds on Win7) that the 'Clear Private
 Data' buttons on Windows and linux are reversed:

 Linux
 - 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the left
 Windows
 - 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the right

 Any reason for the difference?
 (SeaMonkey 2.0.4)

>>>
>>> Sorry, the reverse of the above. I've several systems running right now
>>> &  forgot which screen I was looking at.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> NoOp, where are you seeing these buttons??
>> 
>> On Linux, SM 2.0.3, Edit->Preferences->Privacy & Security only shows a 
>> "Clear Now" bottom!
>> 
> Tools->Clear private data. But I don't see a button, either.

Edit|Preferences|Privacy & Security|'Always clear...' & 'Ask me
before...' are check. When you File|Quit SM will ask you.


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Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.19 on mac....

[Leonidas Jones]

Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 3/20/2010 7:55 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb:

* Firefox from a relevant build at:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/3.0.19-candidates/build1/





This is much newer code than TB 2.0.0.24 or SM 1.1.19, but I guess it
may still run on some older Macs as well, esp. on Tiger.


Hmm was half asleep when I made the links, willing to identify the
builds that match SM 1.1.19 then, so we can get accurate reference
points (for me to actually look at bonsai with).



I'm here to test, when ready.

Lee


I just installed SM 1.1.19 on my G4/500 Sawtooth running 10.4.11 - it
launches and runs just fine.

I moved my previous app (SM 1.1.18) to the Trash first, then dragged
over 1.1.19 in it's place and launched it, surfed a bit. No problems.



Interesting.  It would seem that your Tiger machine is a twin to mine. 
The only thing I see different in our experiences was that 1.1.18 was 
not installed when I installed 1.1.19.  I had already upgraded to 2.0, 
and had removed the older version.  The old profile was still there, as 
was a profile for Netscape 7.2, so I had expected 1.1.19 to pick up the 
old profiles, but no such luck.


Then again, my Panther Sawtooth did have 1.1.18 installed, and I 
installed 1.1.19 as you did, but without success.  I had to revert to 
1.1.18 to get a working browser.


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Re: Clear Private Data - linux/Windows

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 03/21/2010 08:16 PM, NoOp wrote:

I notice (now that I'm testing builds on Win7) that the 'Clear Private
Data' buttons on Windows and linux are reversed:

Linux
- 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the left
Windows
- 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the right

Any reason for the difference?
(SeaMonkey 2.0.4)



Sorry, the reverse of the above. I've several systems running right now
&  forgot which screen I was looking at.




NoOp, where are you seeing these buttons??

On Linux, SM 2.0.3, Edit->Preferences->Privacy & Security only shows a 
"Clear Now" bottom!



Tools->Clear private data. But I don't see a button, either.


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Re: Importing bookmarks and addressbook to Windows 7 PC

[Bill Davidsen]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:
I had no problem installing SeaMonkey 2.0.3 on my new laptop which came 
with Windows 7 Home Edition installed, but I cannot find any 
documentation or figure out how to migrate (or copy) any of my SeaMonkey 
2.0.3 mail files from another PC (with Windows XP Pro installed) to the 
new laptop. The import feature has no such provisions. At the very 
minimum, I need to copy my bookmarks.html and abook.mab files to the 
laptop. Can[not\ do? I would appreciate anyone's help.


The bookmarks have export and import tools, and the address book as well. I've 
exported the address book, imported into another SM, and them just moved the 
addresses into the personal address book. If you have duplicates you will have 
to deal with that manually. I have a Linux tool to help, but any of (a) just 
move the non-dups, (b) move all and live with dups, or (c) hand delete dups 
before you move all, will work.



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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Bill Davidsen]

Monica wrote:

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait énoncé :



I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the profile I
want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
whatever reason.

Well the subject of your question is about profiles.
So you can manage them through the way I provided.

Sorry but that does not answer my initial questions. "My mail (and 
everything else of my stuff) does not sit in the profile with the 
.default ending but in the profile with the .slt ending. How can I go 
about to correct this? Can I just delete the .default one?"


The object is to find out what profiles SM2 thinks you have. I think it's 
possible to have SM2 using files in the wrong place, and so sharing the old SM1 
locations. I can't do it deliberately, but there seems to be some install issue 
which confuses the issue.


I would not delete anything unless you know what to backup. You are on Windows, 
so I would not dare give you more advice than that.



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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Bill Davidsen]

Mark Hansen wrote:

[ goodness, please trim replies... ]

On 3/22/2010 4:54 AM, Daniel wrote:



Daniel


But doesn't SM 1.x and SM 2.x each place their profile directories in
different locations (by default)? Aren't the two profiles being discussed
here in the same directory?

That seems suspicious to me.


Things like this are why I am really cautions about changing my two critical 
machines. :-(
I am 12 of 13 for conversion success, but the one failure lost so much 
information I just restored the whole .mozilla tree from the backup. I tried 
again when 2.0.2 came out, same issue, decided it wasn't worth the time, since 
the machine is internal use only.


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Re: Lightning on SeaMonkey: News from the front

[Bill Davidsen]

Simon Paquet wrote:

Martin F. wrote:


I am curently using Seamonkey 2.0.3, what type of Lightning should I
dowload and install
Lightning 1.0 beta1 is probably the best choice if you want it as stable 
as possible:

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/2313

Current nightlies should also work


No, they won't.


They run against 2.1.x IIRC.

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Re: multiple email issues with SM 1.18

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

David Lawler wrote:


David, I've only got SM 2.0 installed on this puter, but I think the 
settings are largely the same so see if the settings for your mail 
account for the Junk Filter are set in two places:-

1:- Under Edit->Preferences->Mail & Newsgroup->Junk & Suspect Mail, and,
2:- Under Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings, select Junk Mail 
settings under your Mail account.


Make sure these settings are not contradicting each other.


That is probably some of the best advice I've seen, I'm sure that user problems 
people has posted and asked me about personally were caused by conflict.


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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[Bill Davidsen]

MCBastos wrote:


Any HTML message created using an automated WYSIGYG tool, be it
Seamonkey Composer or Adobe Dreamweaver, *will* fail to render correctly
for a large share of recipients. The fancier you get, the more problems
will appear. If you aren't comfortable with hand-coding and researching
tricks all over the Web, I advise you to keep it very plain and simple.

That's true of web pages as well, perhaps more so, people add flash, javascript, 
and all manner of other things. Bold or italics to make meaning clear, links 
with the URL and display text separate for clarity.



JeffM's comment came off a bit harsh, but he does have a point: there's
no well-supported standard for HTML email. What *is* supported is
plaintext -- that will display everywhere, in the way you intended. But
I expect that's not what your customers want to hear.

As I noted before, HTML allows more control to the reader, so it is readable on 
everything from a cell phone to an HDTV sized monitor. Text will be too wide on 
one device, and too narrow on another. The simple lists seem totally portable, I 
mail a newsletter to hundreds of people, and get no complaints, I know they work 
on IE, Safari, iPhones, the Verizon "touch" phones, and Blackberries. And people 
can diddle the display width before printing the message, too.


I'm sure my response to JeffM was as harsh, but there are clear benefits to HTML 
in a multi-display world, as well as to having color when the display supports it.


Finally, unless you not only drop HTML but drop MIME as well, you will get HTML 
attachments. If size is an issue, limit size, but in general people are just 
using HTML, and your choices are to admit the 80's are over, or posting 
off-topic rants in response to valid technical questions. When someone says "how 
do I?" a response of "only stupid people would want to do that" is off topic in 
my book.


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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[Bill Davidsen]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:



For me I get more plaintext-Spam than I do HTML Spam.

I find HTM far easier to read. less tiring on my eyes.


I wouldn't know. I don't read spam.

I don't usually, sometimes I do glance at it to see if spam or legit. 
sometimes the titles can be deceiving.



In those cases cntl-U is your friend, look at it in bare text first.

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Re: Creating HTML email messages

[Bill Davidsen]

JeffM wrote:

John Klein wrote:

I need a way to create several HTML email messages
for transmission by 3rd party email list owners.


First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things.


Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime thrust any more, and not everyone 
sticks with the more efficient 6-bit BCD characters either! But egotistical 
people who think they must thrust their choices on everyone else are still with 
us. Go get a sharp chisel and fresh tablet and write your blog.



Email is a plain text medium.


That hasn't been true for decades.


HTML is for Web pages.
1) Create the HTML page.
2) Upload the page to a server.
3) Email only the link to the Web page.


Feel free. In fact please do. Any time you feel the need to say some egotistical 
self-righteous thing in "I do it this way, so no one else should do it some 
other way" please put it on a web site and post the link so anyone who care can 
look at it.


Outside the obvious drawbacks that it add vast complexity (other applications 
and servers, more networking) and makes the material available to anyone, it's 
more likely to cause misunderstanding when no emphasis is used. Not to mention 
text not being flowed and self-formatting into the reader's choice of width 
rather the poster's idea.


People read email on many devices with many types of display, HTML allows the 
reader more control over presentation. The days of email over 300 bps dial up 
stored on 10MB eight inch drives is over. There's simply no reason to stick to 
text any more, and if you choose to filter, please do it quietly.


And I haven't mentioned that many people read on devices where web browsing is 
either not supported or is extra cost. The world has moved past the time when 
there was a benefit to saving a few bytes, the cost of inferior communication is 
now higher than any saving. If you want saving, limit message size and reject 
messages with excessive quoting. That still has benefit.


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Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

[Bill Davidsen]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 3/21/2010 7:23 AM, Benoit Renard wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Benoit Renard schrieb:

As another user demonstrated, the subject line makes
one think that support has been dropped, and that's it.
And that's exactly what the announcement intended to do. Success on all 
targets.
Except that your announcement contradicts this, because it also 
announces that for those who want to stay with 1.1.x that 1.1.19 is 
available. Or do you really want everyone to stay with 1.1.18 and have 
all the work on 1.1.19 be for nothing?


Huh? Where did you get that? Did you even read the announcement? It
really doesn't sounds like it.

For example, as part of that message, he said (paraphrased):

SM 1.x is really old.


Given that 2.x release is only out less than a year, that's political spin more 
than any conventional understanding of "really old." v1.1.17 was released in 
about June of last year, 1.1.18 after that. A serious form filler has only been 
out a few months, so many people couldn't think of migrating before that.



SM 2.X is new and should be used if possible.
... for those that cannot upgrade to 2.X now, there is a final 1.X
release available, 1.1.19, which fixes some security stuff ...


That sounds about right.


There will be no further SM 1.x releases.

Pretty clear to me.



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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Mark Hansen]

[ goodness, please trim replies... ]

On 3/22/2010 4:54 AM, Daniel wrote:
> O.K., Monica, forget the "Manage Profiles" bit for now. Just select 
> Tools->Switch profiles and check out what the other profile/s contains.
> 
> When you installed SM 2.0.x, it should have made a copy of your SM 
> 1.1.xx profile (the .slt one) and called the new one ".default". If your 
> SM 1 profile is still there, it will not have your latest email, for 
> example, but would be complete upto your change-over date. Just check it 
> out!
> 
> Daniel

But doesn't SM 1.x and SM 2.x each place their profile directories in
different locations (by default)? Aren't the two profiles being discussed
here in the same directory?

That seems suspicious to me.
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Re: Firefox 3.6 security vulnerability -- shared by SM?

[Ant]

On 3/22/2010 6:57 AM PT, Paul B. Gallagher typed:



linked from the given Computerworld article:


*Update:* To clarify, as originally claimed this issue affects
Firefox 3.6 only and not any earlier versions. Thunderbird and
SeaMonkey are based on earlier versions of the browser engine and are
not affected.


Whew!

Thanks.


Cool. Don't need to wait for that fix then. :)
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Re: Firefox 3.6 security vulnerability -- shared by SM?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

 
linked from the given Computerworld article:


*Update:* To clarify, as originally claimed this issue affects Firefox 
3.6 only and not any earlier versions. Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are 
based on earlier versions of the browser engine and are not affected.


Whew!

Thanks.

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Re: Moving address books to new installation

[Daniel]

Cedar wrote:

I recently got a new computer, but was unaware I should have backed up
my address books to the ldif format, all I have is the .mab files. Is
there any way to import/move them from the .mab backups into the new
computer?


Cedar, how about:-
1. Export your current address book to the ldif format, so you don't 
lose anything in it.
2. Copy your old .mab over the top of your current (but now exported) 
address book. If you have multiply old addressbooks, after copying each 
one, export it as abook2.ldif, abook3.ldif, etc.
3. Import the new ldif addressbook back into your address book. Then do 
the other, if necessary.


HTH

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Re: Clear Private Data - linux/Windows

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 03/21/2010 08:16 PM, NoOp wrote:

I notice (now that I'm testing builds on Win7) that the 'Clear Private
Data' buttons on Windows and linux are reversed:

Linux
- 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the left
Windows
- 'Clear Private Data Now' is on the right

Any reason for the difference?
(SeaMonkey 2.0.4)



Sorry, the reverse of the above. I've several systems running right now
&  forgot which screen I was looking at.




NoOp, where are you seeing these buttons??

On Linux, SM 2.0.3, Edit->Preferences->Privacy & Security only shows a 
"Clear Now" bottom!


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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Daniel]

Monica wrote:

Bernard Mercier wrote:

Monica avait prétendu :

Daniel wrote:

Monica wrote:

Since the last update to the current 2.0.3. I have 2 profiles in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ The
first one (which has all my stuff in it) [random string].slt and the
second one [random string].default

I have never created more than one, but suspect that SM for some
reason
has created the second one, which I think may be messing a few
things up
for me (that I´ve posted about in another thread).

I read another posting here which said that the Mail folder should
be in
C:\Documents and
Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[random
string].default\Mail My mail (and everything else of my stuff) does
not
sit in the profile with the .default ending but in the profile with
the
.slt ending. How can I go about to correct this? Can I just delete the
.default one?

Any help will be much appreciated.

Monica



Monica, did you upgrade from SM 1.x?? I think it called its profiles
".slt" whereas SM 2 calls it ".default"

I think!!

Daniel

I am not sure (can´t remember) if it was this last time I upgraded from
SM 1.x or just did an update within SM2.x. I think the latter, because I
think I can recall being annoyed at the update being done automatically
without me being asked first. I know now that I can untick a box for
that, which I did today. That .slt variant may have been with me ever
since I upgraded to SM2 and I just haven´t noticed anything wrong until
I needed to perform certain things lately.



Do you know what can be done about this though?

Select in Tools|switch profile.
Then manage profiles.


I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the profile I
want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
whatever reason.


O.K., Monica, forget the "Manage Profiles" bit for now. Just select 
Tools->Switch profiles and check out what the other profile/s contains.


When you installed SM 2.0.x, it should have made a copy of your SM 
1.1.xx profile (the .slt one) and called the new one ".default". If your 
SM 1 profile is still there, it will not have your latest email, for 
example, but would be complete upto your change-over date. Just check it 
out!


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Re: Two profiles, I only created one

[Bernard Mercier]

Après mure réflexion, Monica a écrit :
> Bernard Mercier wrote:
>> Monica avait énoncé :
>>> Bernard Mercier wrote:
 Monica avait prétendu :
> Daniel wrote:
>> Monica wrote:
>>> Since the last update to the current 2.0.3. I have 2 profiles in
>>> C:\Documents and
>>> Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ The
>>> first one (which has all my stuff in it) [random string].slt and the
>>> second one [random string].default
>>>
>>> I have never created more than one, but suspect that SM for some reason
>>> has created the second one, which I think may be messing a few things
>>> up for me (that I´ve posted about in another thread).
>>>
>>> I read another posting here which said that the Mail folder should be
>>> in C:\Documents and
>>> Settings\[username]\ApplicationData\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[random
>>> string].default\Mail My mail (and everything else of my stuff) does not
>>> sit in the profile with the .default ending but in the profile with the
>>> .slt ending. How can I go about to correct this? Can I just delete the
>>> .default one?
>>>
>>> Any help will be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>
>> Monica, did you upgrade from SM 1.x?? I think it called its profiles
>> ".slt" whereas SM 2 calls it ".default"
>>
>> I think!!
>>
>> Daniel
> I am not sure (can´t remember) if it was this last time I upgraded from
> SM 1.x or just did an update within SM2.x. I think the latter, because I
> think I can recall being annoyed at the update being done automatically
> without me being asked first. I know now that I can untick a box for
> that, which I did today. That .slt variant may have been with me ever
> since I upgraded to SM2 and I just haven´t noticed anything wrong until
> I needed to perform certain things lately.

> Do you know what can be done about this though?
 Select in Tools|switch profile.
 Then manage profiles.

>>> I´m sorry but manage profiles in what way? I´m not too familiar with
>>> things like this. What I do know though is that I am using the profile I
>>> want to, and that is not the "default" one that also sits there for
>>> whatever reason.
>> Well the subject of your question is about profiles.
>> So you can manage them through the way I provided.
>>
> Sorry but that does not answer my initial questions. "My mail (and 
> everything else of my stuff) does not sit in the profile with the 
> .default ending but in the profile with the .slt ending. How can I go 
> about to correct this? Can I just delete the .default one?"
Going into Tools|switch profiles was a meeans to know the names.
Mail and news can be in any profile. There is no need to have it absolutely in
xx.default or in .slt

So if you determined that the mail and news and every other configuration data
is in .slt, make first the x.default unuseable by renaming f.e. to
.default-org or copying to another place.

Verify in any case if there is nothinf in x.default that you still need.

Verify that .slt is working correctly.

If yes you can get rid of the xx.default profile.

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Re: multiple email issues with SM 1.18

[Daniel]

David Lawler wrote:

Daniel wrote:

David Lawler wrote:

Using SeaMonkey 1.18, Win XPH SP3. Having lots of weird email problems,
which I never used to have, and can't figure out. I have two primary
accounts, one for personal mail, one for business mail. (Preliminarily,
I know that support for SM 1.x is done, and I do plan to switch to 2.x,
but I need to figure this out first.)

I am having the following problems:


Personal account:

junk mail doesn't go to junk folder -- goes to trash (although junk
filter is set to send it to junk folder)

junk mail is automatically marked as read

the junk filter is obviously not updating with the new junk messages as
junk messages from the same source, or similar messages from different
sources (messages with garbled "from" addresses pitching various drugs
and other medical stuff) keep showing up in the inbox



David, I've only got SM 2.0 installed on this puter, but I think the
settings are largely the same so see if the settings for your mail
account for the Junk Filter are set in two places:-
1:- Under Edit->Preferences->Mail & Newsgroup->Junk & Suspect Mail, and,
2:- Under Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings, select Junk Mail
settings under your Mail account.

Make sure these settings are not contradicting each other.



Business account:

puts junk mail in junk folder but still marks as read

is supposedly set to automatically download messages but does not (at
least not reliably)

posts I make to newsgroups that I subscribe to under that account don't
show anymore. I only know they posted when someone replies to them, then
I can see from the reply that my post is what they are replying to. (I
can't even find a setting that would seem to affect that). Re-doing the
msf file does not help.



Same as above but for your Business mail account.



I tried SM 2.0 when it came out, it didn't import any of my settings,
email, bookmarks, etc., I didn't have time to try to figure that out so
I uninstalled it and reinstalled 1.18. This was 4 months ago, things
have been messed up at least since then.

I suspect that I may need to mess with about:config to fix some of this
stuff, but I have no idea what settings to look at.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Dave


HTH

Daniel


Thanks, Daniel, but no joy.

The following settings are the same for both personal and business
accounts.

1: Under Edit->Preferences->Mail & Newsgroup->Junk Mail:
"Global Junk Mail Settings"
-- "When I mark messages as junk" -- Move them to the account's "Junk"
folder -- IS selected
[other option is to delete them -- NOT selected]
-- "Mark messages determined to be junk as read" -- IS NOT selected
-- "Enable junk filter logging" -- IS selected

2: Under Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings, select Junk Mail
settings under your Mail account
-- "Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account" -- IS selected
-- "Do not mark mail as junk if the sender is in: Personal Address Book"
-- IS selected
-- "Trust junk mail headers set by:" -- IS NOT selected
-- "Move new junk messages to"
"'junk' folder on [account name]" -- IS selected
"other" -- IS NOT selected
"Automatically delete junk mail older than [XX] days" -- IS NOT selected

Another glitch, which I again discovered, is that when I look at the
settings for "2: Under Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings, select
Junk Mail settings under your Mail account" -- on my personal account
the "OK button doesn't work unless I change something, the only way to
get out of it is to hit "Cancel." On my business account, the "OK button
works even if I don't change anything (the same as how it would work in
any other software).

The settings show as they should be, but they aren't working. Obviously
something is messed up somewhere in my profile. I want to get it fixed
before I switch to SM 2, or else figure a way to get a fresh profile in
SM 2 and transfer all my data over so I don't have these issues.

Thanks, Dave


O.K., next suggestion might be to try a new profile for your two mail 
accounts.


Go to Tools->Switch Profiles and then select "Manage Profile" and then 
"Create Profile". Set up a new profile. For simplicity, set it to leave 
the mail on your mail server, then you can change back to your real 
profile and download these messages again, so that all your mail is in 
the main profile.


Set these new mail profiles up to do what you want with the Junk mail. 
If this works, then we'll  get back to your main profile.


Report back.

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Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

[Daniel]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Except that your announcement contradicts this, because it also
announces that for those who want to stay with 1.1.x that 1.1.19 is
available.


No, it says those that _cannot_ switch to 2.0 right now, not those who
want to stay with 1.x - there's a subtle difference there.
Staying with 1.x is a security risk, we don't want to encourage that in
any way.

Robert Kaiser


Robert, does the simple move from SM 1.1.18 (or .19) to SM 2.x.x solve 
any of the formers security problems??


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Re: Lightning on SeaMonkey: News from the front

[Alex Beauroy]

Simon Paquet wrote:

Martin F. wrote:


I am curently using Seamonkey 2.0.3, what type of Lightning should I
dowload and install


Lightning 1.0 beta1 is probably the best choice if you want it as stable
as possible:
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/2313


Current nightlies should also work


No, they won't.

Simon Paquet

Thanks for your advice!!
Have a nice day
Best Regards
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Moving address books to new installation

[Cedar]

I recently got a new computer, but was unaware I should have backed up 
my address books to the ldif format, all I have is the .mab files.  Is 
there any way to import/move them from the .mab backups into the new 
computer?

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Re: Importing bookmarks and addressbook to Windows 7 PC

[Marisa Ciceran]

Thanks for responding and for pointing out the backup program URL. I 
thought that applet was discontinued, so it's good to get current with it.


I did finally manage to where Windows 7 is putting the Application Data 
files. They've duplicated the XP folder names but making them 
inaccessible, while creating similar folder names that contain the 
files. What confusion and chaos it is to find out how Windows 7 has 
squirreled files and folders and complicated things. I've lost many 
functions, and so far see no gain.


Thanks again,

Marisa



NoOp wrote:

On 03/21/2010 01:12 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I had no problem installing SeaMonkey 2.0.3 on my new laptop which came
with Windows 7 Home Edition installed, but I cannot find any
documentation or figure out how to migrate (or copy) any of my SeaMonkey
2.0.3 mail files from another PC (with Windows XP Pro installed) to the
new laptop. The import feature has no such provisions. At the very
minimum, I need to copy my bookmarks.html and abook.mab files to the
laptop. Can[not\ do? I would appreciate anyone's help.


You could try:
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/

Backup anything before you do any of this...

I actually had a similar situation whereby I have a SM 2.0.4 on a linux
system&  wanted to replicate on a Win7 laptop. All that I did was copy
the ~/.mozilla folder from the linux machine to the Win7 machine&
replace the 'SeaMonkey' folder from the copied files to:
C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Seamonkey\
Note: on Win7 I actually used
Network||Users||AppData|Roaming|Mozilla|
and fired up SM. All works. No clue as to why/how (I'm a linux user so
Win7 et al is pretty unfamilar to me), but it worked for me. I even
rebooted the Win7 just to be sure.

Again *backup* before you try anything.


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Re: Firefox 3.6 security vulnerability -- shared by SM?

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:33:35 -0700, /NoOp/:

On 03/21/2010 03:03 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:




Any experts care to comment?


Not an expert... but I suspect that the 2.0.4 testing request from kairo:

If no problems come up in testing those builds, they will go live as 
the official 2.0.4 on Tuesday, March 30, in sync with Firefox and 
Thunderbird updates that will fix the same set of security issues.


is probably related & meant to take care of this.


 
linked from the given Computerworld article:


*Update:* To clarify, as originally claimed this issue affects Firefox 
3.6 only and not any earlier versions. Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are 
based on earlier versions of the browser engine and are not affected.


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