Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote:

> Look at the list of devs (module owners) here:
> http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html

For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at:



Phil

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Re: Why so many "up-grades"?

[David E. Ross]

On 9/21/10 7:24 PM, MintyJewel wrote:
> Dear Team SeaMonkey ...
> 
> Can you please explain ( to confused little me ) why there are so many
> massive overhauls? Seems as though I've barely settled in nice and
> comfy with the latest SeaMonkey version, that I'm hit with an "up-
> grade".
> 
> Only it's never so simple. Add-On's no longer work, things are
> out of commission ... it's as though I've moved to a new home, and
> started a new job ... I'm left to find my way, unprepared, time and
> again.
> 
> The last two times SeaMonkey upgraded it's self ( I just now
> reset the preferences).
> 
> I know you all are the most devoted developers on Earth, truly ... and
> I bless the Heavens above for you each time SeaMonkey boots up ... I
> so missed my Netscape ...
> please do not take this as criticism, please, please, do not ...
> 
> I'm only curious.
> 
> I also have FireFox installed. FireFox doesn't seem to have as many up-
> grades, or am I just oblivious? It has lots of nifty add-On's. But
> it's a quirky little thing and I prefer my SeaMonkey.
> 
> My "Dream SeaMonkey" ( not that you asked ... but :o)  )
> would be ... a stable core SeaMonkey, that NEVER changed,
> whose up-grades were to allow it to work with new technology,
> while still retaining ALL of it's old features, and still be able to
> work with ALL of it's old add-On's, Themes and programs.
> 
> Because, basically, I hate change, and, I mourn the loss of some
> favorite Add-Ons & Themes as well :o/
> 
> (INSERT: A nice "Sea" Themed look would be cool too, don't you think?
> I'd make the
> graphics ... if someone sends me the sizes and format )
> 
> Sorry this was so long winded, and once again, thank you "Team
> SeaMonkey" for all your hard work and devotion to The Best Browser,
> Composer & Email program.
> ( clap clap ... bravo! ... clap clap )
> Tanya

They are NOT upgrades.  They are updates.  The latest (2.0.8) was to fix
a new problem that was accidentally introduced in 2.0.7.

In general, updates with only the last (third) digit in the version
number represent fixes for either security vulnerabilities or critical
problems.  New capabilities are generally not introduced with these
updates.

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Re: e-mailing WebPages--SeaMonkey and IE8

[Leonidas Jones]

JeffM  wrote:
> Popichak, Robert wrote:
>> I would prefer to use MS Outlook
>> 
> Maybe you should take your questions
> about Internet Exploder and Outbreaks In Excess
> to groups that specialize in those fourth-rate softwares.
> 
>> Is there a setting I can change to default IE8 to Outlook?
>> 
> Everyone *assumes* that you know that
> the first is a browser and the second is an email client
> and that they do different tasks.

I think you misunderstand the OPs intent.  He wants to set OE as the
default email client for IE8 only, so mailto calls in IE will open OE
instead of SeaMonkey mail/news, which is evidently his default.

I didn't try to answer that since I am not a regular Windows user, but,
so far as I know there is no way to set OE as the mail client for IE
only.  He would have to set it for system wide.

That might actually work for him, since mailto calls from the SM browser
would still call SM mail/news.  

Lee
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Why so many "up-grades"?

[MintyJewel]

Dear Team SeaMonkey ...

Can you please explain ( to confused little me ) why there are so many
massive overhauls? Seems as though I've barely settled in nice and
comfy with the latest SeaMonkey version, that I'm hit with an "up-
grade".

Only it's never so simple. Add-On's no longer work, things are
out of commission ... it's as though I've moved to a new home, and
started a new job ... I'm left to find my way, unprepared, time and
again.

The last two times SeaMonkey upgraded it's self ( I just now
reset the preferences).

I know you all are the most devoted developers on Earth, truly ... and
I bless the Heavens above for you each time SeaMonkey boots up ... I
so missed my Netscape ...
please do not take this as criticism, please, please, do not ...

I'm only curious.

I also have FireFox installed. FireFox doesn't seem to have as many up-
grades, or am I just oblivious? It has lots of nifty add-On's. But
it's a quirky little thing and I prefer my SeaMonkey.

My "Dream SeaMonkey" ( not that you asked ... but :o)  )
would be ... a stable core SeaMonkey, that NEVER changed,
whose up-grades were to allow it to work with new technology,
while still retaining ALL of it's old features, and still be able to
work with ALL of it's old add-On's, Themes and programs.

Because, basically, I hate change, and, I mourn the loss of some
favorite Add-Ons & Themes as well :o/

(INSERT: A nice "Sea" Themed look would be cool too, don't you think?
I'd make the
graphics ... if someone sends me the sizes and format )

Sorry this was so long winded, and once again, thank you "Team
SeaMonkey" for all your hard work and devotion to The Best Browser,
Composer & Email program.
( clap clap ... bravo! ... clap clap )
Tanya
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Re: Cannot send except at home

[Paul B. Gallagher]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:


I keep meaning to ask this but forget when I get home.

I have had a problem with many/most non-home router
connections with the outgoing mail failing.

I get a message saying that the connection to the
smtp server failed.

What setting might be interfering with this, please?


Some ISPs require you to use their own SMTP servers whenever you use 
their connection. So if you normally send through smtp.mywebsite.com and 
try that when you're on the road connecting through stupidisp.com, 
stupidisp.com will block access to smtp.mywebsite.com. To my mind, it's 
stupid of them to insist that you use their resources when you would 
rather use someone else's, but whatever.


What I've done on my laptop is set up another SMTP server in my mail and 
news account settings, and when (for example) connecting through 
Verizon, who are not my normal ISP, I make that my default SMTP server 
(the setup for that SMTP server has to include a Verizon username and 
password). But when I'm at a location where the ISP doesn't care, I go 
on using the SMTP server I would normally use.


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 16:52, Ray_Net wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> stango wrote:
>> d...@kd4e.com wrote:
>>> Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
>>> http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is the way the page is written.
>>
>> A quick work around is to go the page
>>
>>  From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE
>>
>> Once in the editor,
>>
>>  From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine.
>>
>>
> 
> For me, this is the only way to print it correctly.
> Thanks for the clue. (IE8 is totally unable to print it :-) )

If the page were to be coded properly there wouldn't be a need for a
"work around". :-)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 16:40, Ray_Net wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>   --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
 On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> W3BNR wrote:
>> On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Philip Chee wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:

>> That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation.

> I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user
> found.

 You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following
 bugs:

 Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
 Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
 Bug 388349 reported by Ed
 Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
 Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
 Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
 Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
 Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan

 Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla.

>>>
>>> Could you fix this
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696
>>>
>>> or tell me how can i fix it
>>
>> "Bug" 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get
>> "fixed". More of a new feature request than a bug.
>
> Only 28 votes  and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed
> because a
> duplicate of this one.
>
>> Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See
>> comment
>> #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the
>> function.
>
> NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is
> already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be
> easely
> called when doing a "reply" - this not a great job to be done.
>>
>
> You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE  this
> why i
> created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a
> RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or
> more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know
> what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to
> ignore users wishes.'   and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be
> done is
> mimimal.

 If it's "minimal" than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal
 steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in
 their spare time.

>>> if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in
>>> short:
>>> 1. Create an option named "Reply-header-like-forward" and use it when
>>> replying to a mail is this way:
>>>
>>> If Reply-header-like-forward is true then
>>> call;
>>>
>>> ---
>>> If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try.
>>
>> That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary
>> to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it.
>>
> 
> If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the
> coding  i can try to implement it.

Go for it, your contribution will be most appreciated.

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[d...@kd4e.com]

stango wrote:

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/


It is the way the page is written.

A quick work around is to go the page

From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE

Once in the editor,

From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine.


Thanks to all!

I had cut and pasted it into an editor and printed it but
I prefer this inside-SM workaround.


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Ray_Net]

stango wrote:

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/




It is the way the page is written.

A quick work around is to go the page

 From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE

Once in the editor,

 From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine.




For me, this is the only way to print it correctly.
Thanks for the clue. (IE8 is totally unable to print it :-) )
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Ray_Net]

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote:

   --- Original Message ---


W3BNR wrote:

On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:



That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation.



I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user
found.


You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following
bugs:

Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
Bug 388349 reported by Ed
Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan

Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla.



Could you fix this
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696

or tell me how can i fix it


"Bug" 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get
"fixed". More of a new feature request than a bug.


Only 28 votes  and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a
duplicate of this one.


Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment
#61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the
function.


NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is
already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely
called when doing a "reply" - this not a great job to be done.




You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE  this why i
created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a
RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or
more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know
what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to
ignore users wishes.'   and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is
mimimal.


If it's "minimal" than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal
steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in
their spare time.


if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in
short:
1. Create an option named "Reply-header-like-forward" and use it when
replying to a mail is this way:

If Reply-header-like-forward is true then
call;

---
If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try.


That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary
to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it.



If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the 
coding  i can try to implement it.

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Re: e-mailing WebPages--SeaMonkey and IE8

[JeffM]

Popichak, Robert wrote:
>I would prefer to use MS Outlook
>
Maybe you should take your questions
about Internet Exploder and Outbreaks In Excess
to groups that specialize in those fourth-rate softwares.

>Is there a setting I can change to default IE8 to Outlook?
>
Everyone *assumes* that you know that
the first is a browser and the second is an email client
and that they do different tasks.
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Re: Cannot send except at home

[d...@kd4e.com]

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

d...@kd4e.com wrote:


I keep meaning to ask this but forget when I get home.
I have had a problem with many/most non-home router connections with
the outgoing mail failing.


Multiple computers?  What exactly do you mean by "many/most non-home
router connections?"


I get a message saying that the connection to the smtp server failed.
What setting might be interfering with this, please?


First place I'd look is at your firewall.


Same laptop in multiple locations.

Reliable at home but generally will not send via wifi connections
at library, coffeehouse, church, etc.

Web browser works fine and incoming mail seems to work fine.

What sort of setting would only impact the outgoing E-mail?

BTW:  I have tried my E-mails via 3 different E-mail servers;
my Web domain host, GoDaddy, and my ISP.


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Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/

[Arnie Goetchius]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a
"Start Up Error" when trying to access the above site.


Clickable link:  https://www.uhcretiree.com/

... Now I can't get into the site at all. Getting 500 Internal Server
error.


Heh, same here. Maybe .. just maybe .. they've taken it offline to fix
all those errors!  (Nah, that's askin' too much.)


It's finally working again in Seamonkey so I'm set until the next problem.
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Re: Cannot send except at home

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

> I keep meaning to ask this but forget when I get home. 
> I have had a problem with many/most non-home router connections with
> the outgoing mail failing. 

Multiple computers?  What exactly do you mean by "many/most non-home
router connections?"

> I get a message saying that the connection to the smtp server failed.
> What setting might be interfering with this, please?

First place I'd look is at your firewall.

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

> I think I see the problem. The HTML code has got nested TABLEs, with
> this as the inner one: 
> 
>  
> 
> When I go to Print Preview, what I get is a part of the page that
> looks to be 137 pixels wide.  -JW

Yep, that's what I said earlier. The 137px table is the navigation
column...

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[J. Weaver Jr.]

stango wrote:

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

 Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
 http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/




It is the way the page is written.

A quick work around is to go the page

  From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE

Once in the editor,

  From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine.


I think I see the problem. The HTML code has got nested TABLEs, with 
this as the inner one:




When I go to Print Preview, what I get is a part of the page that looks 
to be 137 pixels wide.  -JW

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 15:17, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself:
> 
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard
 stango wrote:
> I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I
> spoof FF 3.6.3.
 
 Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview. 
>>> 
>>> Printed fine in FF at least.
>> 
>> Not for me with:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915
>> Ubuntu/8.04 (Hardy) Firefox/3.6.10
> 
> Aha. Maybe an answer . I just looked at the page again, and by golly,
> the Print Preview worked!  Then I realized I had JavaScript disabled
> now. Turned that back on, and it failed again. Same applies to 3.6.10
> and SM 1.1.18.
> 

I got it to print using FF but printed to my PDF Printer and from there
did the actual print-to-printer selection, interesting.

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 15:17, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself:
> 
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard
 stango wrote:
> I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I
> spoof FF 3.6.3.
 
 Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview. 
>>> 
>>> Printed fine in FF at least.
>> 
>> Not for me with:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915
>> Ubuntu/8.04 (Hardy) Firefox/3.6.10
> 
> Aha. Maybe an answer . I just looked at the page again, and by golly,
> the Print Preview worked!  Then I realized I had JavaScript disabled
> now. Turned that back on, and it failed again. Same applies to 3.6.10
> and SM 1.1.18.
> 

Turned JS off here and still a no-go in FF or using IE-Tab.


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[stango]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/




It is the way the page is written.

A quick work around is to go the page

From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE

Once in the editor,

From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine.


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself:

> Terry R. wrote:
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard
>>> stango wrote:
 I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I
 spoof FF 3.6.3.
>>> 
>>> Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview. 
>> 
>> Printed fine in FF at least.
> 
> Not for me with:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915
> Ubuntu/8.04 (Hardy) Firefox/3.6.10

Aha. Maybe an answer . I just looked at the page again, and by golly,
the Print Preview worked!  Then I realized I had JavaScript disabled
now. Turned that back on, and it failed again. Same applies to 3.6.10
and SM 1.1.18.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>   --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> W3BNR wrote:
 On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
 That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation.
>>
>>> I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user
>>> found.
>>
>> You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following
>> bugs:
>>
>> Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
>> Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
>> Bug 388349 reported by Ed
>> Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
>> Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
>> Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
>> Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
>> Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan
>>
>> Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla.
>>
>
> Could you fix this
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696
>
> or tell me how can i fix it

 "Bug" 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get
 "fixed". More of a new feature request than a bug.
>>>
>>> Only 28 votes  and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a
>>> duplicate of this one.
>>>
 Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment
 #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the
 function.
>>>
>>> NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is
>>> already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely
>>> called when doing a "reply" - this not a great job to be done.

>>>
>>> You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE  this why i
>>> created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a
>>> RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or
>>> more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know
>>> what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to
>>> ignore users wishes.'   and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is
>>> mimimal.
>>
>> If it's "minimal" than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal
>> steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in
>> their spare time.
>>
> if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in
> short:
> 1. Create an option named "Reply-header-like-forward" and use it when
> replying to a mail is this way:
> 
> If Reply-header-like-forward is true then
> call ;
> 
> ---
> If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try.

That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary
to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it.

I understand what you are saying to do but it needs a programmer to
write the code necessary, etc. And THAT is not that simple. Then you
need someone capable to take the time. In open-source it's not always a
simple task to attract a contributor away from what they do for a living
as well as fix bugs for free and so on in the time they already have
dedicated. Good luck.

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Cannot send except at home

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I keep meaning to ask this but forget when I get home.

I have had a problem with many/most non-home router
connections with the outgoing mail failing.

I get a message saying that the connection to the
smtp server failed.

What setting might be interfering with this, please?

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Terry R.]

On 9/21/2010 12:54 PM On a whim, Jay Garcia pounded out on the keyboard


On 21.09.2010 14:01, Terry R. wrote:

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On 9/21/2010 8:36 AM On a whim, d...@kd4e.com pounded out on the keyboard


Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/



Printed fine w/FF 3.6.9 here.  Didn't with Chrome, but I selected all
the text and then printed.  Worked fine.



Terry R.


I thought I could print using "print selection" but that didn't work
either using my laser OR inkjet. The "Print Selection" box on both
printer was grayed out.



In Chrome, even when I selected the text the selector was on "All".


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Terry R.]

On 9/21/2010 12:52 PM On a whim, Jay Garcia pounded out on the keyboard


On 21.09.2010 14:02, Terry R. wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


On 9/21/2010 11:17 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on
the keyboard


stango wrote:


I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof
FF 3.6.3.

Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview.


Printed fine in FF at least.



Terry R.


Doesn't here in FF 3.6.10

You useing some sorta extension? Won't even print using IE-Tab



No extension. Dunno... Like I mentioned, I did have to select the text 
in Chrome to get it to print properly, but nothing in FF. Strange since 
FF usually screws up big time when printing tables.



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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Terry R. wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard
>> stango wrote:
>>> I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof
>>> FF 3.6.3.
>> 
>> Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview. 
> 
> Printed fine in FF at least.

Not for me with:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915
Ubuntu/8.04 (Hardy) Firefox/3.6.10

Nor with SeaMonkey, or Opera ... it's a crap page.  :-)

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 14:01, Terry R. wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On 9/21/2010 8:36 AM On a whim, d...@kd4e.com pounded out on the keyboard
> 
>> Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
>> http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/
>>
>>
> 
> Printed fine w/FF 3.6.9 here.  Didn't with Chrome, but I selected all
> the text and then printed.  Worked fine.
> 
> 
> 
> Terry R.

I thought I could print using "print selection" but that didn't work
either using my laser OR inkjet. The "Print Selection" box on both
printer was grayed out.

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Jay Garcia]

On 21.09.2010 14:02, Terry R. wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On 9/21/2010 11:17 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on
> the keyboard
> 
>> stango wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof
>>> FF 3.6.3.
>>
>> Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview.
>>
> 
> Printed fine in FF at least.
> 
> 
> 
> Terry R.

Doesn't here in FF 3.6.10

You useing some sorta extension? Won't even print using IE-Tab

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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Terry R.]

On 9/21/2010 8:36 AM On a whim, d...@kd4e.com pounded out on the keyboard


Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/




Printed fine w/FF 3.6.9 here.  Didn't with Chrome, but I selected all 
the text and then printed.  Worked fine.




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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Terry R.]

On 9/21/2010 11:17 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on 
the keyboard



stango wrote:


I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof
FF 3.6.3.


Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview.



Printed fine in FF at least.



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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

stango wrote:

> I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof
> FF 3.6.3.

Viewing isn't the problem. It's printing. Try a Print Preview.

> I am not running the latest release of Java. ...

That wouldn't matter in this case. There is no Java in the page in
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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[stango]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

d...@kd4e.com wrote:


Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/


Another author problem. It's the same in Firefox, and while all the text
is visible in an Opera print preview, it's totally messed up.

I think it is because the Gecko print engine is confused by the
misplacement of the JavaScript for the banner (which is unnecessarily in
an ), and puts the content of it in the hard-coded 137pixel-wide
navigation column. The JavaScript is completely outside the document
beginning and ending.

That code looked new in 1995. Maybe. Write to the author if you feel
disgruntled enough.

I do not have a problem viewing this page using SM 1.1.19 if I spoof FF 
3.6.3.


I am not running the latest release of Java. I am running 1.6.0.20 
because the latest version reports that it needs to see a newer version 
of the browser.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Phillip Jones]

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 20.09.2010 19:34, Phillip Jones wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote:

   --- Original Message ---


W3BNR wrote:

On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:



That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation.



I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user
found.


You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following
bugs:

Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
Bug 388349 reported by Ed
Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan

Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla.



Could you fix this
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696

or tell me how can i fix it


"Bug" 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get
"fixed". More of a new feature request than a bug.


Only 28 votes  and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a
duplicate of this one.


Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment
#61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the
function.


NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is
already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely
called when doing a "reply" - this not a great job to be done.




You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE  this why i
created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a
RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or
more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know
what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to
ignore users wishes.'   and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is
mimimal.


If it's "minimal" than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal
steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in
their spare time.


Finally Found the bug I was referring to:

mine is 597784

original is:

580442

It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers
its appears to be a deliberate attempt  to limit  users' abilities to do
what they want.

now go read both.

then come back and say I like to spread stuff around.

As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its
removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone
comes up with a hack to turn that code off.

also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users
point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such
specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those
that don't want to see it, can turn it off.



They're all against you Phillip, only you.



Yep.

Actually I've been told a fix is in the works.

Its curious that we been doing what as in 2.0.6 and lower since 
Communicator Day's about 12 years or more and they just decide it was 
supposed to be a security risk. I have seen anything risky out it for 12 
or more years.


This will be my last post on "this" issue. Don't rock any boat if a fix 
is in the works.


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Re: Why doesn't this text print?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

> Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
> http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/

Another author problem. It's the same in Firefox, and while all the text
is visible in an Opera print preview, it's totally messed up.

I think it is because the Gecko print engine is confused by the
misplacement of the JavaScript for the banner (which is unnecessarily in
an ), and puts the content of it in the hard-coded 137pixel-wide
navigation column. The JavaScript is completely outside the document
beginning and ending.

That code looked new in 1995. Maybe. Write to the author if you feel
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Re: Pop Up Window Won't Scroll

[WLS]

Phillip Jones wrote:

WLS wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

WLS wrote:

On 09/19/2010 10:47 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:






Why not just use Seamonkey's built in Zoom feature from the menu bar?

View> Zoom

Setting it to 90% allowed me to view the whole pop-up window.

Installing NoSquint and trying it had no effect for me. But then I am
unfamiliar with it.

WLS



does SM or FF have this ability:

http://screencast.com/t/YjUwZWZhMTY


setting Graphic and text zoom independently of each other In SM you can
do one or the other but not both at the same time.



What NoSquint setting did you use to view the pop-up window the OP was
complaining about? Is it a graphic or text? If text how do I separate
the pop-up from the page behind it?

WLS


No Squint doesn't have anything to do with pop ups, only the content of
web pages (other than it might make the content of the pop ups as a
result.) It just has the ability to adjust the zoom level of Text and
Graphics at differing levels. and It can be set Globally or can be
customized for each site you go to.



Agreed it doesn't have anything to do with pop-ups.

The OP's original question was why doesn't it scroll. I think it's 
because that is where it was placed on the Opinion page, and it was a 
fixed setting. Everything except the bottom border was visible, he could 
have entered his email address, and clicked submit. If he would have 
tried it from the Home page the whole pop-up would have been in view (at 
least it was on my Seamonkey).


To view the whole pop-up on the Opinion page I had to set Seamonkey's 
zoom level to 90%.


To view it using NoSquint I had to set the Full zoom level to 
(surprise!) 90%, or with the Full zoom at 100%, I had to set the Text 
zoom level to 70%.


I'm glad you and others enjoy using that extension for whatever purposes 
you need it.


So many ways to do basically the same thing is what keeps it interesting. :)

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Why doesn't this text print?

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Why doesn't the main text on this page print?
http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Ray_Net]

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote:

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W3BNR wrote:

On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:



That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation.



I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found.


You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following
bugs:

Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
Bug 388349 reported by Ed
Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan

Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla.



Could you fix this
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696

or tell me how can i fix it


"Bug" 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get
"fixed". More of a new feature request than a bug.


Only 28 votes  and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a
duplicate of this one.


Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment
#61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function.


NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is
already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely
called when doing a "reply" - this not a great job to be done.




You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE  this why i
created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a
RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or
more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know
what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to
ignore users wishes.'   and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is
mimimal.


If it's "minimal" than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal
steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in
their spare time.

if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in 
short:

1. Create an option named "Reply-header-like-forward" and use it when
replying to a mail is this way:

If Reply-header-like-forward is true then
call ;

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RE: e-mailing WebPages--SeaMonkey and IE8

[Popichak, Robert]

Good Morning!

I have a question.  I am using SeaMonkey 2.1b3 Composer for my website.

When I try to e-mail a webpage from IE8, SeaMonkey automatically opens.  I 
would prefer to use MS Outlook as I am behind a firewall and cannot get 
permission to open it for SeaMonkey.

Is there a setting I can change to default IE8 to Outlook?

Thanks!

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Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>>> With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a
>>> "Start Up Error" when trying to access the above site.
>> 
>> Clickable link:  https://www.uhcretiree.com/
> ... Now I can't get into the site at all. Getting 500 Internal Server
> error.

Heh, same here. Maybe .. just maybe .. they've taken it offline to fix
all those errors!  (Nah, that's askin' too much.)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available

[Jay Garcia]

On 20.09.2010 13:27, Phillip Jones wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

>> Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines " ...
>> reported by ..."
>>
>> How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess ..
>> NONE!!
>>
> I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any
> developers other than Phil Chee.
> 

Then here is Phil Chee's list again, make note of "reported by: ":

Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll
Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan
Bug 388349 reported by Ed
Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier
Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg
Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett
Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej
Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan

None of those are devs, ok?

Bring up the list of bug fixes again from the link I gave you.

Look at the list of devs (module owners) here:
http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html

Now, compare the reporters in the list to see who is a dev and who is a
user. Report back here with your findings. If you don't want to do this
then you'll just have to settle for the fact that there are more "users"
that report bugs than "devs" and stop posting mis-information instigated
by your own personal view(s). I gave you the tools, ok?

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Re: Start up Error for https://www.uhcretiree.com/

[Arnie Goetchius]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome, I get an a
"Start Up Error" when trying to access the above site.


Clickable link:  https://www.uhcretiree.com/


Setting UA to IE does not help. I can get into site with IE8. Site
says they only support IE6 or IE7. Anything I can do except complain
to the site itself?


I'd complain, Arnie, but not necessarily because it doesn't work in
SeaMonkey (or Firefox, or ...).

HTML:  630 Errors, 89 warning(s)


CSS:  1,323 errors:

(241 *Kilobytes* of CSS! - and they left out the most basic of a body
background color.)

...and it is completely useless without JavaScript.


Now I can't get into the site at all. Getting 500 Internal Server error.
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