Re: New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/11/11 12:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

In Netscape's Navigator 4.x, there was a capability to set bookmark
shortcuts.  I could set a bookmark in one place within my bookmarks file
and then set a pointer to that bookmark in another place within the same
file.  That pointer was a shortcut and was used as if it were a regular
bookmark.  If I changed the actual bookmark (e.g., if the URI changed),
that change would be reflected in all the shortcuts.  That way, I could
file copies of a bookmark in several different folders in the file but
would have to maintain only one instance of the bookmark.

I think this capability disappeared in Mozilla Suite.  Will it be
restored in SaeMonkey 2.1?



In a certain point of vue, a bookmark *is* a shortcut.
Why did you need a shorcut of a shortcut ? Duplicating the places where
you can jump to a site ?


For this discussion, "shortcut" does NOT mean an Internet shortcut as
defined by Microsoft.  Instead, it means a pseudo-bookmark in the
bookmarks file that merely points to an actual bookmark in that same file.

I'll give just three examples of how I want to use this, but I have many
more.

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "creating Web sites"; it contains
a sub-folder named "Font Selections".  I also have a folder named
"fonts".  There are Web sites that relate both to selecting fonts for
Web pages and to downloading fonts.  I would like to bookmark those Web
sites both in ["creating Web sites">  "Font Selections"] and in "fonts".

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "Weather".  I also have a folder
named "Nature, Science, and Technology".  I would like to bookmark the
Web site "Bad Meteorology" at
  in both folders.

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "$$$"; it contains a sub-folder
named "taxes" with sub-sub-folders "Federal" and "California".  I also
have a folder named "Gov't, Politics,&  the Law"; it contains
sub-folders named "U. S. Govt" and "California".  The "U. S. Govt"
sub-folder contains a sub-sub-folder named "Executive".  I want
bookmarks to the IRS Web site at  both in
["$$$">  "taxes">  "Federal"] and in ["Gov't, Politics,&  the Law">  "U.
S. Govt">  "Executive"].  I want bookmarks to the Franchise Tax Board
Web site at  both in ["$$$">  "taxes">
"California"] and in ["Gov't, Politics,&  the Law">  "California"].

I did this with Netscape Navigator 4.7.  If a URI changed, I only had to
change it in the actual bookmark; the change would also apply to its
shortcuts.  When I transitioned to Mozilla Suite, all my bookmark
shortcuts were converted into actual bookmarks because the capability
for shortcuts had been eliminated.  Now, several years later, I still
find occasional duplicate bookmarks that no longer have the same URI.

I have approximately 1,000 bookmarks organized in over 120 folders,
sub-folders, and sub-sub-folders.



This is just what i said ...
A well organized hierarchy is to have the info in only *one* place.
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 11 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :


But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs.


Yes, but regular bookmarks behave the same way: they either replace the 
current tab (blank or not), or open in a new tab (the current being blank 
or not). Or did I miss some functionality?


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lucas Levrel wrote:


Le 11 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :


But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs.


Yes, but regular bookmarks behave the same way: they either replace the
current tab (blank or not), or open in a new tab (the current being
blank or not). Or did I miss some functionality?


Before changing my pref, a regular bookmark replaced an existing page or 
tab, but a groupmark left the existing one intact.


Since changing the pref, a groupmark always replaces the existing page 
or tabs. So for example, I just had three tabs open, two of them blank, 
and chose a groupmark with four tabs, and I ended with a total of four 
tabs. The tab with content was lost, and so were the two blank ones.


I then tested with one tab having content and five blank tabs, and the 
four-page groupmark replaced all six with its own set of four. It acted 
as if it didn't know there were five blank tabs available for it, and 
forced the tab with content closed even though it didn't have to.


I can force the groupmark to open its four tabs in a new window, but I 
can't tell it to add those four tabs to an existing window or set of tabs.


The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a 
bookmark to open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in 
new tabs. It's either "replace all my open tabs" or "open in a new window."


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Re: New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/11 12:35 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/11/11 12:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 In Netscape's Navigator 4.x, there was a capability to set bookmark
 shortcuts.  I could set a bookmark in one place within my bookmarks file
 and then set a pointer to that bookmark in another place within the same
 file.  That pointer was a shortcut and was used as if it were a regular
 bookmark.  If I changed the actual bookmark (e.g., if the URI changed),
 that change would be reflected in all the shortcuts.  That way, I could
 file copies of a bookmark in several different folders in the file but
 would have to maintain only one instance of the bookmark.

 I think this capability disappeared in Mozilla Suite.  Will it be
 restored in SaeMonkey 2.1?

>>>
>>> In a certain point of vue, a bookmark *is* a shortcut.
>>> Why did you need a shorcut of a shortcut ? Duplicating the places where
>>> you can jump to a site ?
>>
>> For this discussion, "shortcut" does NOT mean an Internet shortcut as
>> defined by Microsoft.  Instead, it means a pseudo-bookmark in the
>> bookmarks file that merely points to an actual bookmark in that same file.
>>
>> I'll give just three examples of how I want to use this, but I have many
>> more.
>>
>> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "creating Web sites"; it contains
>> a sub-folder named "Font Selections".  I also have a folder named
>> "fonts".  There are Web sites that relate both to selecting fonts for
>> Web pages and to downloading fonts.  I would like to bookmark those Web
>> sites both in ["creating Web sites">  "Font Selections"] and in "fonts".
>>
>> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "Weather".  I also have a folder
>> named "Nature, Science, and Technology".  I would like to bookmark the
>> Web site "Bad Meteorology" at
>>   in both folders.
>>
>> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "$$$"; it contains a sub-folder
>> named "taxes" with sub-sub-folders "Federal" and "California".  I also
>> have a folder named "Gov't, Politics,&  the Law"; it contains
>> sub-folders named "U. S. Govt" and "California".  The "U. S. Govt"
>> sub-folder contains a sub-sub-folder named "Executive".  I want
>> bookmarks to the IRS Web site at  both in
>> ["$$$">  "taxes">  "Federal"] and in ["Gov't, Politics,&  the Law">  "U.
>> S. Govt">  "Executive"].  I want bookmarks to the Franchise Tax Board
>> Web site at  both in ["$$$">  "taxes">
>> "California"] and in ["Gov't, Politics,&  the Law">  "California"].
>>
>> I did this with Netscape Navigator 4.7.  If a URI changed, I only had to
>> change it in the actual bookmark; the change would also apply to its
>> shortcuts.  When I transitioned to Mozilla Suite, all my bookmark
>> shortcuts were converted into actual bookmarks because the capability
>> for shortcuts had been eliminated.  Now, several years later, I still
>> find occasional duplicate bookmarks that no longer have the same URI.
>>
>> I have approximately 1,000 bookmarks organized in over 120 folders,
>> sub-folders, and sub-sub-folders.
>>
> 
> This is just what i said ...
> A well organized hierarchy is to have the info in only *one* place.

It would be nice if Web sites only addressed a single topic, but that
does not happen.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 12 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a bookmark to 
open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in new tabs.


Yes you can. See Prefs > Tabbed Browsing, second frame (don't know its 
English label), it's about adding vs replacing tabs.



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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lucas Levrel wrote:


Le 12 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :


The difference between a bookmark and a groupmark is I can tell a
bookmark to open in a new tab, but I can't tell a groupmark to open in
new tabs.


Yes you can. See Prefs > Tabbed Browsing, second frame (don't know its
English label), it's about adding vs replacing tabs.


That was my old setting, before I followed your suggestion. With that 
setting, an existing tab (blank or not) is preserved, and that was my 
original complaint.


A regular bookmark can be told to replace an existing page or open in a 
new page, but a groupmark cannot be told to add its tabs to an existing 
set -- either I open a whole new window for it, or I replace all my 
existing tabs. I want a third option: add your tabs to my existing set, 
replacing any blank ones but retaining any tabs with content.


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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[John]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/11/11 4:38 AM, John wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

John wrote:

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.


This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
fixed.

See.



How can i vote negatively ?
Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.


That is not what is happening. When the newsserver lists open expanded I
always collapse them. The "bug" is that when I close the mail/news
reader with the listings collapsed, they are expanded again *sometimes*
when I next start mail/news. If they came back the way I left them when
I last closed the app, I wouldn't be complaining about it.

John


If you mean that individual newsgroup threads are expanded within a
newsgroup, that is a different issue.  That is bug #232562.  There is a
workaround for this.  Either through [Tools>  Options>  Advanced>
Config Editor] or by editing the user.js file in your profile, set the
preference variable mailnews.scroll_to_new_message to "false".  See
.

If you mean that a news-mail account is expanded, that is bug 507908,
which I cited earlier in this thread.


Yes, it is the mail-news accounts, specifically the newsservers, which 
are being expanded. I leave the mail account expanded all the time but 
not the news accounts.


Is it sufficient to have this reported as a bug for Thunderbird, or 
should it also be reported somewhere for SeaMonkey?


John
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Troll killer for Seamonkey

[John]

Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news group 
trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but 
the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who 
constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would 
normally *want* to hear from.


Thanks,
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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:
> 
> Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news group 
> trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but 
> the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who 
> constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would 
> normally *want* to hear from.
> 
> Thanks,
> John

Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
capabilities as Thunderbird?  With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
any set of message headers, including headers indicating the application
used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/11 12:06 PM, John wrote:
> 
> 
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/11/11 4:38 AM, John wrote:
>>> Ray_Net wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
>>> with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
>>> prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
>>> Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
>> completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
>> sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
>> it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.
>
> This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
> think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
> fixed.
>
> See.
>

 How can i vote negatively ?
 Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
 before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.
>>>
>>> That is not what is happening. When the newsserver lists open expanded I
>>> always collapse them. The "bug" is that when I close the mail/news
>>> reader with the listings collapsed, they are expanded again *sometimes*
>>> when I next start mail/news. If they came back the way I left them when
>>> I last closed the app, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> If you mean that individual newsgroup threads are expanded within a
>> newsgroup, that is a different issue.  That is bug #232562.  There is a
>> workaround for this.  Either through [Tools>  Options>  Advanced>
>> Config Editor] or by editing the user.js file in your profile, set the
>> preference variable mailnews.scroll_to_new_message to "false".  See
>> .
>>
>> If you mean that a news-mail account is expanded, that is bug 507908,
>> which I cited earlier in this thread.
> 
> Yes, it is the mail-news accounts, specifically the newsservers, which 
> are being expanded. I leave the mail account expanded all the time but 
> not the news accounts.
> 
> Is it sufficient to have this reported as a bug for Thunderbird, or 
> should it also be reported somewhere for SeaMonkey?
> 
> John

Since both bugs 232562 and 507908 are specifically Thunderbird bugs,
separate SeaMonkey bugs might be appropriate.
Check the following bug reports before submitting a new one:



The user interface (UI) for SeaMonkey differs in some respects from the
UI for Thunderbird.  I'm not really familiar with the SeaMonkey UI for
mail-news.  I use Thunderbird for a newsreader because I don't want to
shut down and restart my newsreader when I change browser profiles.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[John]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:


Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news group
trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but
the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who
constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would
normally *want* to hear from.

Thanks,
John


Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
capabilities as Thunderbird?  With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
any set of message headers, including headers indicating the application
used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.



Yes but I want something more powerful and easier to use. You have 
noticed I am sure a certain poster who constantly changes their name 
and/or hides under the name of another poster. What I want to do is 
right click on the troll post and kill based on the sender's origin. 
Basically a 'whois' type of kill based on the the originating IP address 
that would defeat a troll's attempt to change their name or pose as 
someone else.


A 'view' and 'message source' doesn't give sufficient information (as 
far as I can determine) to truly kill file the individual. Perhaps I am 
missing something and if so please inform me how to better use the 
information.


Thanks,
John
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Re: Upgrade from Mozilla to SeaMonkey question

[Henry]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:





Well, I can't reconcile these two statements about Comcast:
• you will see that the files are empty
• Comcast has email files dated 7/14/2007
Are you saying it has files from 2007 that are empty? I took your 
original statement to mean that the /folders/ were empty, didn't contain 
any emails. Now I'm confused.


The files from Comcast dated 7/14/2007 are empty.  Comcast is my present ISP.


Each .slt folder represents one profile. AFAIK it's up to you which one 
is used on import (the upgrade leaves your v.1 profile(s) intact, but 
imports a copy of one profile, conforming it to v.2 specs, and placing 
it in a separate folder -- this is called "migration").


But notice that *both* of the .slt folders are under Default, so when I 
upgrade both of the .slt folders will go with the Default import.  I only 
have one profile called Default.


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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/11 3:57 PM, John wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news group
>>> trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but
>>> the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who
>>> constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would
>>> normally *want* to hear from.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>
>> Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
>> capabilities as Thunderbird?  With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
>> any set of message headers, including headers indicating the application
>> used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.
> 
> 
> Yes but I want something more powerful and easier to use. You have 
> noticed I am sure a certain poster who constantly changes their name 
> and/or hides under the name of another poster. What I want to do is 
> right click on the troll post and kill based on the sender's origin. 
> Basically a 'whois' type of kill based on the the originating IP address 
> that would defeat a troll's attempt to change their name or pose as 
> someone else.
> 
> A 'view' and 'message source' doesn't give sufficient information (as 
> far as I can determine) to truly kill file the individual. Perhaps I am 
> missing something and if so please inform me how to better use the 
> information.
> 
> Thanks,
> John

With your message selected in Thunderbird, I selected [View > Message
Source] from the menu bar.  I saw the header field:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.95.161.200

72.95.161.200 is the IP address for the unregistered domain
[namepool-72-95-161-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net].  I'm guessing that you
have a broadband connection to the Internet through Verizon.  Although
IP addresses for such connections might be dynamic, they really do not
change often.  (I've been unsuccessully trying to change mine for a
week.)  If you run IP Chicken at , I think
you will see 72.95.161.200 is your own external IP address.

Thus, I could create a filter to block your messages by creating a
custom header for NNTP-Posting-Host and filtering on the value
72.95.161.200.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[John]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/11 3:57 PM, John wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:


Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news group
trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but
the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who
constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would
normally *want* to hear from.

Thanks,
John


Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
capabilities as Thunderbird?  With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
any set of message headers, including headers indicating the application
used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.



Yes but I want something more powerful and easier to use. You have
noticed I am sure a certain poster who constantly changes their name
and/or hides under the name of another poster. What I want to do is
right click on the troll post and kill based on the sender's origin.
Basically a 'whois' type of kill based on the the originating IP address
that would defeat a troll's attempt to change their name or pose as
someone else.

A 'view' and 'message source' doesn't give sufficient information (as
far as I can determine) to truly kill file the individual. Perhaps I am
missing something and if so please inform me how to better use the
information.

Thanks,
John


With your message selected in Thunderbird, I selected [View>  Message
Source] from the menu bar.  I saw the header field:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.95.161.200

72.95.161.200 is the IP address for the unregistered domain
[namepool-72-95-161-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net].  I'm guessing that you
have a broadband connection to the Internet through Verizon.  Although
IP addresses for such connections might be dynamic, they really do not
change often.  (I've been unsuccessully trying to change mine for a
week.)  If you run IP Chicken at, I think
you will see 72.95.161.200 is your own external IP address.

Thus, I could create a filter to block your messages by creating a
custom header for NNTP-Posting-Host and filtering on the value
72.95.161.200.



That sounds great but in what category do you put the NNTP posting host?
Seamonkey has a custom setting but when clicked on it just asks for a 
'New Message Header'. What do I put in this box and what is added to the 
larger entry box below it?


Thanks,
John
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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[John]

John wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/11 3:57 PM, John wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:


Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news
group
trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but
the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who
constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would
normally *want* to hear from.

Thanks,
John


Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
capabilities as Thunderbird? With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
any set of message headers, including headers indicating the
application
used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.



Yes but I want something more powerful and easier to use. You have
noticed I am sure a certain poster who constantly changes their name
and/or hides under the name of another poster. What I want to do is
right click on the troll post and kill based on the sender's origin.
Basically a 'whois' type of kill based on the the originating IP address
that would defeat a troll's attempt to change their name or pose as
someone else.

A 'view' and 'message source' doesn't give sufficient information (as
far as I can determine) to truly kill file the individual. Perhaps I am
missing something and if so please inform me how to better use the
information.

Thanks,
John


With your message selected in Thunderbird, I selected [View> Message
Source] from the menu bar. I saw the header field:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.95.161.200

72.95.161.200 is the IP address for the unregistered domain
[namepool-72-95-161-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net]. I'm guessing that you
have a broadband connection to the Internet through Verizon. Although
IP addresses for such connections might be dynamic, they really do not
change often. (I've been unsuccessully trying to change mine for a
week.) If you run IP Chicken at, I think
you will see 72.95.161.200 is your own external IP address.

Thus, I could create a filter to block your messages by creating a
custom header for NNTP-Posting-Host and filtering on the value
72.95.161.200.



That sounds great but in what category do you put the NNTP posting host?
Seamonkey has a custom setting but when clicked on it just asks for a
'New Message Header'. What do I put in this box and what is added to the
larger entry box below it?

Thanks,
John



I found the answer in the help section, I was looking under general help 
and didn't find it.


One question though, the example below is someone I would like to block 
in a different newsgroup but the address looks odd:


NNTP-Posting-Host: 9TEqRaUN62VUuRWTWfCotg.user.speranza.aioe.org

Is this some sort of work around to what you suggested or just typical 
of aioe?


Thanks,
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Re: New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:18:56 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
> I'll give just three examples of how I want to use this, but I have many
> more.
> 
> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "creating Web sites"; it contains
> a sub-folder named "Font Selections".  I also have a folder named
> "fonts".  There are Web sites that relate both to selecting fonts for
> Web pages and to downloading fonts.  I would like to bookmark those Web
> sites both in ["creating Web sites" > "Font Selections"] and in "fonts".
> 
> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "Weather".  I also have a folder
> named "Nature, Science, and Technology".  I would like to bookmark the
> Web site "Bad Meteorology" at
>  in both folders.
> 
> In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "$$$"; it contains a sub-folder
> named "taxes" with sub-sub-folders "Federal" and "California".  I also
> have a folder named "Gov't, Politics, & the Law"; it contains
> sub-folders named "U. S. Govt" and "California".  The "U. S. Govt"
> sub-folder contains a sub-sub-folder named "Executive".  I want
> bookmarks to the IRS Web site at  both in
> ["$$$" > "taxes" > "Federal"] and in ["Gov't, Politics, & the Law" > "U.
> S. Govt" > "Executive"].  I want bookmarks to the Franchise Tax Board
> Web site at  both in ["$$$" > "taxes" >
> "California"] and in ["Gov't, Politics, & the Law" > "California"].
> 
> I did this with Netscape Navigator 4.7.  If a URI changed, I only had to
> change it in the actual bookmark; the change would also apply to its
> shortcuts.  When I transitioned to Mozilla Suite, all my bookmark
> shortcuts were converted into actual bookmarks because the capability
> for shortcuts had been eliminated.  Now, several years later, I still
> find occasional duplicate bookmarks that no longer have the same URI.
> 
> I have approximately 1,000 bookmarks organized in over 120 folders,
> sub-folders, and sub-sub-folders.

We use sqlite for storing bookmarks. SQLite is a Relational Database
which means we can now store the bookmark in one physical location but
display it in more than one folder. For example I just bookmarked a
random webpage in two folders (bookmarks toolbar and a folder called
misc) when I try to bookmark it again (using the star button) I get a
"Edit bookmark" arrow panel with an option to "Remove 2 bookmarks". So
your "shortcuts" is now a built in feature. Every "displayed" bookmark
is a "shortcut" to the location in the SQLite database and if two
bookmarks point to the same location it's only stored once in places.sqlite.

Phil

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Re: Troll killer for Seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 1/12/11 5:36 PM, John wrote:
> John wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 1/12/11 3:57 PM, John wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/12/11 2:15 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> Is there any software out there that makes it easier to send news
>> group
>> trolls to a kill file? Seamonkey does have some blocking features but
>> the rules offered seem to be very easy to get around by those who
>> constantly change their name or even worse pose as someone you would
>> normally *want* to hear from.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>
> Does not SeaMonkey's mail-news component have the same filtering
> capabilities as Thunderbird? With Thunderbird, I can create a filter on
> any set of message headers, including headers indicating the
> application
> used to send the message and in what news service the message was sent.


 Yes but I want something more powerful and easier to use. You have
 noticed I am sure a certain poster who constantly changes their name
 and/or hides under the name of another poster. What I want to do is
 right click on the troll post and kill based on the sender's origin.
 Basically a 'whois' type of kill based on the the originating IP address
 that would defeat a troll's attempt to change their name or pose as
 someone else.

 A 'view' and 'message source' doesn't give sufficient information (as
 far as I can determine) to truly kill file the individual. Perhaps I am
 missing something and if so please inform me how to better use the
 information.

 Thanks,
 John
>>>
>>> With your message selected in Thunderbird, I selected [View> Message
>>> Source] from the menu bar. I saw the header field:
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.95.161.200
>>>
>>> 72.95.161.200 is the IP address for the unregistered domain
>>> [namepool-72-95-161-200.pitbpa.east.verizon.net]. I'm guessing that you
>>> have a broadband connection to the Internet through Verizon. Although
>>> IP addresses for such connections might be dynamic, they really do not
>>> change often. (I've been unsuccessully trying to change mine for a
>>> week.) If you run IP Chicken at, I think
>>> you will see 72.95.161.200 is your own external IP address.
>>>
>>> Thus, I could create a filter to block your messages by creating a
>>> custom header for NNTP-Posting-Host and filtering on the value
>>> 72.95.161.200.
>>>
>>
>> That sounds great but in what category do you put the NNTP posting host?
>> Seamonkey has a custom setting but when clicked on it just asks for a
>> 'New Message Header'. What do I put in this box and what is added to the
>> larger entry box below it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
> 
> 
> I found the answer in the help section, I was looking under general help 
> and didn't find it.
> 
> One question though, the example below is someone I would like to block 
> in a different newsgroup but the address looks odd:
> 
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9TEqRaUN62VUuRWTWfCotg.user.speranza.aioe.org
> 
> Is this some sort of work around to what you suggested or just typical 
> of aioe?
> 
> Thanks,
> John

They're using a domain rather than an IP address.  It's not a registered
domain, so it must be internal to aioe.org.  A domain like that is often
used for a broadband connection.  Since aioe.org is not an ISP, however,
the domain is not for a broadband connection.  It thus is likely a
temporary domain, possibly for a single use.  I would filter on
"contains" (second term in the filter) and "aioe.org" (third term).

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David E. Ross


On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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