Re: Archive Email Messages?
Hi Daniel, Two separate issues; 1. Set up archiving in SM 2. Move FileSystem files while SM is closed I found how to archive in SM. You select messages, right-click : Archive. It works, and places them in the correct year Local Folders\Archives\2008 etc, however, you can't archive a whole folder and can't auto-archive. The latter is disappointing, but it doesn't take long to highlight lots of messages and archive them. The second part is more contentious. You want to now move the 2008 folder to off-line storage. You have to close SM, then move these two .\Mail\Local Folders\Archives.sbd\2008\2008 .\Mail\Local Folders\Archives.sbd\2008\2008.msf OK, it might work, but it's not ideal. Moving bits of FileSystem outside an application is not best practice, it also assumes you've perfectly archived every message from that year before the move. The good news is that the file format appears to be open standard 'mail' so it will last for decades and be easy to restore, even to different o/s. Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi, I'd like to archive all email messages from 2008, 2009, then save them off-line. I noticed a setting in Mail Newsgroups account settings : account name : Copies and Folders Message Archives This sounds like it would solve the first part, but I don't know how to start the archive process? Assuming I can get an Archives folder inside Local Folders, containing yearly archives, the next part is how can I save that folder outside of SeaMonkey, and how can I restore it if needed? I seem to remember this was easy in Netscape 3.x. They also have it in Outlook. Gerry, I've never noticed/used the setting you have pointed to, but I don't think it will do what you want!! ... but it might!! When I want to archive my mail, I set up several folders, in SeaMonkey Mail Account, at the same level as the Inbox, e.g. I have folders for 2013_Family, 2013_Jokes, 2013_Moz_SM, etc., and I then drag e-mails (both Sent received) into the appropriate folders, then at the end of each year, I move these folders to the Local Folders Account, but if you wanted you could close SM and move these folders to some other location on your HD, or, burn the folders (or your entire e-mail account) to CD/DVD's or store them elsewhere off-line. HTH -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive Email Messages?
Gerry Hickman wrote: I found how to archive in SM. You select messages, right-click : Archive. It works, and places them in the correct year Local Folders\Archives\2008 etc, Didn't work for me : it placed it in P.Taylor.Rhul.Ac.Uk/Archives/2008, not in Local Folders. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Hi, I'd say there should be three file areas 1. Program files (program binaries.exe go here) 2. User Settings (local or roaming user profile) 3. Data (docs, email, pics, music) - (AKA homeDirectory) On my own systems the program files and user profiles are on the C drive, data is on a separate D drive or network drive. I then just back up the D drive. A well designed application will detect the file locations above, and automatically place files in the correct locations, but I seem to remember SeaMonkey (by default) will bury the user data inside the user profile! This might explain why a default backup of the user's homeDirectory would not contain their email. On my own systems, the first thing I do after a new SM install is to move the Mozilla profile to my D drive - so it's backed up with everything else. There's an article about moving SM profiles here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder Lori wrote: Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Today's Topics: 4/12/13 7. Archiving Mail (Lori) 8. Re: Archiving Mail (G. Ross) -- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:41:55 -0400 From: Lori na...@verizon.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 000601ce376a$5a5e3eb0$0f1abc10$@Verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:53:48 -0400 From: G. Ross g...@comsouth.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 3eodnbl5vtyqevrmnz2dnuvz_gidn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive Email Messages?
Hi Philip, I think that means it DID work, view all your mail/news accounts by going to Edit : Mail and Newsgroups Accounts settings, then look at Copies and folders for account, you can view the archive settings for each. Philip TAYLOR wrote: Gerry Hickman wrote: I found how to archive in SM. You select messages, right-click : Archive. It works, and places them in the correct year Local Folders\Archives\2008 etc, Didn't work for me : it placed it in P.Taylor.Rhul.Ac.Uk/Archives/2008, not in Local Folders. Philip Taylor -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive Email Messages?
Gerry Hickman wrote: I think that means it DID work, view all your mail/news accounts by going to Edit : Mail and Newsgroups Accounts settings, then look at Copies and folders for account, you can view the archive settings for each. Thank you, Gerry : a correct analysis ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
MCBastos wrote: There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. My backup program lets you create a bootable CD-ROM to recover either files from backups or an entire drive image. I've the C: drive fail and it was a breeze restoring to a new one. That's why you want to backup the entire C: drive. In fact, all the backup programs I've used over the years allowed that. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The Space Shuttle ends where the subway begins. There's a tear on the face of the moon. - Gordon Lightfoot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on www. -- Takes more than talk to get things done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Erness Wild wrote: Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on ww /I couldn't agree more! A fabulously useful product long may it continue. / ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Getting strange characters in emails instead of ' and
Lately, my wife and I have received emails with eight characters that appear in the place of an apostrophe, nine in place of a quote mark. Here's a cut and paste, which I hope gets through: For single apostrophe I get ’t For quote I get – It doesn't seem to matter if I use Original HTML, Simple HTML, or Plain Text to view them. Changing the Encoding to UTF does reduce the number of odd characters; changing to IBM 850 changes the characters that appear. We're using SM 2.16.2, Win XP, Western ISO-889-1 encoding. Why are we getting these odd characters now, and how do we get our apostrophes and quote marks back? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Sync SignIn Problem
When I click on Next on the Signin page, with all of my info entered, your verification proceeds and leaves me with no progress. I am deposited back on the Signin page without any error message and without any indication that I have succeeded in loging in. On one occasion an error message appeared, telling me that the server could not be located. But all other times, no message, no nothing. --- If this has mistakenly reached you but you are not the intended recipient, please REPLY and advise and then destroy this item. --- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Getting strange characters in emails instead of ' and
flyguy wrote: Lately, my wife and I have received emails with eight characters that appear in the place of an apostrophe, nine in place of a quote mark. Here's a cut and paste, which I hope gets through: For single apostrophe I get ’t For quote I get – It doesn't seem to matter if I use Original HTML, Simple HTML, or Plain Text to view them. Changing the Encoding to UTF does reduce the number of odd characters; changing to IBM 850 changes the characters that appear. We're using SM 2.16.2, Win XP, Western ISO-889-1 encoding. Why are we getting these odd characters now, and how do we get our apostrophes and quote marks back? You don't say from whom you and your wife are receiving these emails. Is it the same person or from the same system? Does it happen if you send an email to yourself? If you turn on full headers (view-headers-all) what is the Content Type line of the bad emails? Generally what you describe happens because someone composes in Microsoft Word using smart quotes and apostrophes and then pastes that content into an email. It can also happen with database data that is exported using one character encoding and imported using a different one. I suppose it could also happen if content is created using a character encoding that isn't available on the receiving system. In any case more information is needed to speculate further. -- Jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Erness Wild wrote: Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on www. I agree, best browser by miles. I've been using it since the first alpha releases and even those were 99% ready to prime time. Even for browse only I'd say it's better than FireFox, you get more advanced menus, integrated email, newsgroups. I just tested IE10, but it's all about the provider being in control and still tied to the o/s. SeaMonkey is about standards, cross platform and open source. If you make web pages and manage complicated web-sites, there's also FireBug integration with SeaMonkey. It's the best(?) combination of browser and client side debugger you can get. Not just HTML, but also low level HTTP request/response and AJAX. Only remaining question, where on earth is the x64 Windows version? -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive Email Messages?
Hi Philip, Even more good news. I've just realized that I don't need to move the archive folders off line. I can leave them right where they are! My original problem was inefficient incremental backup; every time I received a new email or wrote a new email, I had to back up the WHOLE 'inbox' and 'sent items' folders, but with this new archive facility... My SM profile is already mapped into my data partition (which gets backed up). The folders such as .\2008, .\2009 won't change very often, so my backup will just ignore them after the first backup. This should give me extremely fast backups. Don't forget to compact folders after archiving, so you get the free space back... Philip TAYLOR wrote: Gerry Hickman wrote: I think that means it DID work, view all your mail/news accounts by going to Edit : Mail and Newsgroups Accounts settings, then look at Copies and folders for account, you can view the archive settings for each. Thank you, Gerry : a correct analysis ! Philip Taylor -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Gerry Hickman gerry66...@yahoo.co.uk wrote (in part): Only remaining question, where on earth is the x64 Windows version? Unofficial builds of release and beta: http://www.htguard.info/ I have NOT tried them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Erness Wild wrote: Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on www. Netscape 1.2 came out on a 1.4 floppy disk... I still have that disk I ordered . prior to that it was WYSOCKS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
YouTube hitches -- just me?
The last few weeks, I've had a poor user experience with YouTube -- it doesn't buffer ahead well, so the videos will play for a bit, pause for a bit, play for a bit, pause for a bit, and sometimes not resume for minutes at a time. I have plenty of bandwidth: speed test says 58 Mbps download, 39 Mbps upload http://www.speedtest.net/result/2644293409.png. My computer isn't stressed, according to Windows Task Manager -- gigabytes of free RAM, only a few percent of CPU in use, no other downloads in progress (e.g., Windows Update). AV checks (entire computer, not just key areas) come up clean. This is a consistent pattern morning, noon, and night. It also affects Internet Exploiter 10, FWIW. It sometimes helps briefly to clear my browser cache and all sites at Adobe's Settings Manager. Then the issue returns, often within minutes. My principal question here is, is it just me, or is there an issue with YouTube? I seem to be fine with hulu.com. I understand this is probably OT for this forum, but I need a good sample. Thanks. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Getting strange characters in emails instead of ' and
On 4/13/2013 3:27 PM, Jim Taylor wrote: flyguy wrote: Lately, my wife and I have received emails with eight characters that appear in the place of an apostrophe, nine in place of a quote mark. Here's a cut and paste, which I hope gets through: For single apostrophe I get ’t For quote I get – It doesn't seem to matter if I use Original HTML, Simple HTML, or Plain Text to view them. Changing the Encoding to UTF does reduce the number of odd characters; changing to IBM 850 changes the characters that appear. We're using SM 2.16.2, Win XP, Western ISO-889-1 encoding. Why are we getting these odd characters now, and how do we get our apostrophes and quote marks back? You don't say from whom you and your wife are receiving these emails. Is it the same person or from the same system? Does it happen if you send an email to yourself? If you turn on full headers (view-headers-all) what is the Content Type line of the bad emails? Generally what you describe happens because someone composes in Microsoft Word using smart quotes and apostrophes and then pastes that content into an email. It can also happen with database data that is exported using one character encoding and imported using a different one. I suppose it could also happen if content is created using a character encoding that isn't available on the receiving system. In any case more information is needed to speculate further. It's not from the same person, but several: recently, one was using msn.com and the other was using charter.net. For the msn.com email: Content-type: multipart/related; boundary==_NextPart_000_000D_01CE3845.7DE6CE20; type=multipart/alternative X-mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 for the charter email: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_001D_01CE381F.AB21BE20 x-mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 AT least those two seem to be using Live Mail - maybe that's the problem? It doesn't happen when we send emails to each other, or to ourselves. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube hitches -- just me?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The last few weeks, I've had a poor user experience with YouTube -- it doesn't buffer ahead well, so the videos will play for a bit, pause for a bit, play for a bit, pause for a bit, and sometimes not resume for minutes at a time. I have plenty of bandwidth: speed test says 58 Mbps download, 39 Mbps upload http://www.speedtest.net/result/2644293409.png. My computer isn't stressed, according to Windows Task Manager -- gigabytes of free RAM, only a few percent of CPU in use, no other downloads in progress (e.g., Windows Update). AV checks (entire computer, not just key areas) come up clean. This is a consistent pattern morning, noon, and night. It also affects Internet Exploiter 10, FWIW. It sometimes helps briefly to clear my browser cache and all sites at Adobe's Settings Manager. Then the issue returns, often within minutes. My principal question here is, is it just me, or is there an issue with YouTube? I seem to be fine with hulu.com. I understand this is probably OT for this forum, but I need a good sample. Thanks. Houston, TX, we only get 5 Mbps but youtube runs well with no lag. With only a youtube vid running this machine uses less than 1% gpu, cpu, mem use, 94k cache usage. Perhaps the data push is too much for the programs and processors to handle so it stops or slows the feed for a while until they catch up to the feed? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube hitches -- just me?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The last few weeks, I've had a poor user experience with YouTube -- it doesn't buffer ahead well, so the videos will play for a bit, pause for a bit, play for a bit, pause for a bit, and sometimes not resume for minutes at a time. I have plenty of bandwidth: speed test says 58 Mbps download, 39 Mbps upload http://www.speedtest.net/result/2644293409.png. My computer isn't stressed, according to Windows Task Manager -- gigabytes of free RAM, only a few percent of CPU in use, no other downloads in progress (e.g., Windows Update). AV checks (entire computer, not just key areas) come up clean. This is a consistent pattern morning, noon, and night. It also affects Internet Exploiter 10, FWIW. It sometimes helps briefly to clear my browser cache and all sites at Adobe's Settings Manager. Then the issue returns, often within minutes. My principal question here is, is it just me, or is there an issue with YouTube? I seem to be fine with hulu.com. I understand this is probably OT for this forum, but I need a good sample. Thanks. I don't remember how long ago it started, but I used to immediately pause all YouTube videos and let them load, but that no longer works. i have the same troubles you describe, or, a video plays fine for a few minutes and then just flat-out stops, and it is NOT loading ahead. I pretty much use the DownLoadHelper extension for everything there now. Streaming is just too aggravating. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi, I'd say there should be three file areas 1. Program files (program binaries.exe go here) 2. User Settings (local or roaming user profile) 3. Data (docs, email, pics, music) - (AKA homeDirectory) On my own systems the program files and user profiles are on the C drive, data is on a separate D drive or network drive. I then just back up the D drive. A well designed application will detect the file locations above, and automatically place files in the correct locations, but I seem to remember SeaMonkey (by default) will bury the user data inside the user profile! This might explain why a default backup of the user's homeDirectory would not contain their email. On my own systems, the first thing I do after a new SM install is to move the Mozilla profile to my D drive - so it's backed up with everything else. There's an article about moving SM profiles here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder Hey, Gerry, why do you have to move your profile to your D:\ after each install?? Why not just get rid of any bits of your profile on your C:\ drive, and when you install a new SM, just let it find the D:\ profile!! I have SM on both my Win7 and Linux installations and both of them have no problems in finding my single profile. But I would agree with you on there being three file areas! On my Win7, I have:- C:\ System Files D:\ Program Files E:\ Games, Music, etc. and Data So I only need to back-up my E:\ (Hmm, back-up . must do that . one day!!). -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
question wrote: Erness Wild wrote: Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on www. Netscape 1.2 came out on a 1.4 floppy disk... I still have that disk I ordered . prior to that it was WYSOCKS Netscape 1.2 ... boy, oh boy, you're a late comer! When I signed on with my ISP, he gave me two 3.5 inch disks (remember them). One was the Winsocks stuff, the other was Netscape 0.9. Still got both disks, somewhere. Cross-posted and follow-up set to m.gen. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
