Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/13/2014 2:06 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Does just that here. Seamonkey 2.17.1, Windows 7 Enterprise. Philip Taylor -- All duplicate recycled material deleted on principle. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ronald Hunter wrote: Not here. But that is on the most current version of SM. Yours is quite old. Intentionally, Ronald. 2.17.1 is the last version not to render material wrongly when Windows fonts are set to render at other than 100%. I am aware of the published work-arounds, none of which are satisfactory. Philip Taylor -- All duplicate recycled material deleted on principle. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
On 5/13/2014 11:03 AM PT, A Williams typed: But will this be forever? Will SM always be using the same design forever? :P I certainly hope not. I'm happy with the way things are now, but forever is a long time. Circumstances do change, and I hope that when they change enough to require a new design, the dev team will be able to do the necessary modifications. Any project that is not willing to adjust to new circumstances is already dead. It just hasn't noticed it yet. But they have no time and no money to modify drastically the product. Didn't the original design come from Netscape Communicator days as the suite product? My old memory is failing me. I have been using it since then IIRC. I don't think Netscape Navigator was a suite (just a web browser)? http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! -- I'm not a worker ant. I'm like a queen. Or maybe a king. But you never hear of king ants. --Sean Bentley /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 11:06 AM +0900, Ed Mullen wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex Not here. SM 2.26. All videos in little windows. WFM on SM 2.26 on OS X 10.7.5. Right-click on the window and select fullscreen from the pop-up menu. Works a charm. Yup. That was my point. And with Firefox or Chrome, there is a little icon that you can click to switch it directly to full screen (which is the feature I was looking for in Seamonkey). -- Jaime A. Cruz Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How far ahead are you?? (was: Re: mailnews.reply_header_authorwrote; )
On 14/05/14 02:23, Hartmut Figge wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: This problem is covered in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1006498. The solves the problem with the bustage, caused by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943268 Unfortunately, the resulting SM is crippled in some ways. Not any longer with the new patch of Philip. Hartmut, with a new SM Here am I, using SM 2.26b2, waiting for 2.27b1 to be released and you, Hartmut, are using your own, homespun, version 2.29a1 !!! :-( Shouldn't the most recent Alpha be 2.28a1?? Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:32.0) Gecko/2014051318 SeaMonkey/2.29a1-h -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How far ahead are you??
Daniel: Here am I, using SM 2.26b2, waiting for 2.27b1 to be released and you, Hartmut, are using your own, homespun, version 2.29a1 !!! :-( Shouldn't the most recent Alpha be 2.28a1?? I do not know much about releases or other builds available from mozilla. I am building my own since many years. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:32.0) Gecko/2014051318 SeaMonkey/2.29a1-h But, that is the one of yesterday, now an old one. O:-) Hart dr mut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/14 4:45 PM +0900, Philip Taylor wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Does just that here. Seamonkey 2.17.1, Windows 7 Enterprise. Philip Taylor Does that here, too: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Ant wrote, On 14/05/2014 10:50: On 5/13/2014 11:03 AM PT, A Williams typed: But will this be forever? Will SM always be using the same design forever? :P I certainly hope not. I'm happy with the way things are now, but forever is a long time. Circumstances do change, and I hope that when they change enough to require a new design, the dev team will be able to do the necessary modifications. Any project that is not willing to adjust to new circumstances is already dead. It just hasn't noticed it yet. But they have no time and no money to modify drastically the product. Didn't the original design come from Netscape Communicator days as the suite product? My old memory is failing me. I have been using it since then IIRC. I don't think Netscape Navigator was a suite (just a web browser)? http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! and you can install it and work with ? :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Ray_Net: Ant wrote, On 14/05/2014 10:50: http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! and you can install it and work with ? :-) Ehm, i admit that i am curious. A little bit. So i have tried the communicator 4.8 from the first link. Well, there was a missing lib on my OS. Further investigation would have been tedious. :-D Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Hartmut Figge wrote: Ray_Net: Ant wrote, On 14/05/2014 10:50: http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! and you can install it and work with ? :-) Ehm, i admit that i am curious. A little bit. So i have tried the communicator 4.8 from the first link. Well, there was a missing lib on my OS. Further investigation would have been tedious. :-D Hartmut I suspect it could be done, if you were willing to install an operating system available at the time of release in virtualbox and track down any required supporting packages. Getting it to run in a current operating system is likely to be a much greater challenge. I also suspect that there would be problems with most web sites due to changes in HTML and other standards since the time of that browser. Dave ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
David H. Durgee wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Ehm, i admit that i am curious. A little bit. So i have tried the communicator 4.8 from the first link. Well, there was a missing lib on my OS. Further investigation would have been tedious. :-D I suspect it could be done, if you were willing to install an operating system available at the time of release in virtualbox and track down any required supporting packages. It should suffice to install compatibility libs. In case there are any. *g* At the moment i am trying to reply with a rather old mozilla 1.4, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 No configruration whatsoever, so bear with me. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll - default is true Working here. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Hartmut Figge: At the moment i am trying to reply with a rather old mozilla 1.4, Perhaps i should show a picture. Nostalgia. :) http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mo140514.png Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync broken in 2.26 beta 1?
Exactly my problem as well. Both machines running SeaMonkey 2.26, but I cannot get past the Next stage of the sync setup. Both machines on Windows 8.1 Pro. Please, any help? Norm On 5/10/2014 7:29 PM, kg6...@gmail.com wrote: Not working on my Seamonkey 2.26 released version running on both computers also. Next button grayed out on #2 computer providing the sync pairing code. On #1 excepts and adds code fine. Ron On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:58:29 AM UTC-7, Byron Smith wrote: Absolutely cannot set up Sync in Seamonkey 2.26 beta 1. I have login credentials and recovery key. Could not pair a device to set up a new sync on Seamonkey. Also could not login using credentials and recovery key as Next button does nothing (and neither does the link about having lost a device). Could this because I switched over to the new sync profile in Firefox 29.0 beta? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Need help subscribing from the list.
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Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor I agree with Philip Taylor. Let's have no more new stuff until existing bugs are fixed. My pet bug is 616601 Clicking the Home button creates duplicates of the already opened tabs. It was reported by me and others in 2010. According to the bug description, it was broken after Philip Chee changed something to fix a problem with the middle button on the mouse. You would think that ticking Replace Tabs in the Preferences section would take care of this but it just does not work. This one gets my vote! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 10:49, David H. Durgee told the world: Hartmut Figge wrote: Ray_Net: Ant wrote, On 14/05/2014 10:50: http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! and you can install it and work with ? :-) Ehm, i admit that i am curious. A little bit. So i have tried the communicator 4.8 from the first link. Well, there was a missing lib on my OS. Further investigation would have been tedious. :-D Hartmut I suspect it could be done, if you were willing to install an operating system available at the time of release in virtualbox and track down any required supporting packages. Getting it to run in a current operating system is likely to be a much greater challenge. I also suspect that there would be problems with most web sites due to changes in HTML and other standards since the time of that browser. I did it once, for fun. Installed WFWG 3.11 in Virtual PC, with IE 5 and Netscape 4.07. Managed to even get the sound board working. Hit a few websites too, just to give whoever analyses the logs a WTF? moment. I still have the virtual disk... it's really small for current standards, just 150 Mb. Now you did it, I HAD to run it again. Crap... VPC NAT is not working. Will have to debug this one of these months. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Bat-Computer. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mailnews.reply_header_authorwrote;
On 05/13/2014 08:39 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: On 05/13/2014 07:06 AM, RM decreed, Read These Runes!: Hartmut Figge wrote: RM wrote: mailnews.reply_header_authorwrote is being ignored. Works for me. User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140428215651 The change was in Last good: 2014-04-23 16:13:00 PDT mc-33ca5e321046 cc-711cff832014 First bad: 2014-04-24 16:18:00 PDT mc-5ecd532a167e cc-2d5ceaf7ac97 so your build should be affected. Now there are new prefs instead of the old ones. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1009585#c5 Hartmut Nope: my versions still have the old prefs: http://s4.postimg.org/eh1fahohp/Screenshot_from_2014_05_14_11_56_31.png That must be why it worked for me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 6:24 AM, Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 4:45 PM +0900, Philip Taylor wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Does just that here. Seamonkey 2.17.1, Windows 7 Enterprise. Philip Taylor Does that here, too: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 ... and Windows 7 with Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26. It works with both HTTP and HTTPS. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Philip Taylor wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Does just that here. Seamonkey 2.17.1, Windows 7 Enterprise. Philip Taylor Does that for me too... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 3:29 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 11:06 AM +0900, Ed Mullen wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex Not here. SM 2.26. All videos in little windows. WFM on SM 2.26 on OS X 10.7.5. Right-click on the window and select fullscreen from the pop-up menu. Works a charm. Yup. That was my point. And with Firefox or Chrome, there is a little icon that you can click to switch it directly to full screen (which is the feature I was looking for in Seamonkey). Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Viewing your http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/VideoPlay.REX?videos/2012/0304_01_BreakfastRide.flv, I saw that icon in the lower-right corner of the video. I clicked it and got a full-monitor view. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. Bug #724263, now titled SeaMonkey on Mac OS X does not open HTML files or hyperlinks correctly when using the profile manager. SM will not directly open my Epson Help manual, which is a set of .html pages, or follow an on-disk Alias path to such a file when set as my default browser. It did, once upon a time...then it broke and has remained broken to this day. Safari works properly and as such I have to right click and Open With Safari in order to use Epson Help. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. Non-compliant HTML is just the tip of the iceberg. Then you have all the Javascript attacks. And let's not forget that Seamonkey is also a mail client... I remember seeing a whole series of blog postings explaining why email is a difficult animal to tame... where is it... oh yes, here: http://quetzalcoatal.blogspot.com.br/search/label/email-hard -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Blueberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Depends on what you're doing I guess...I evaluate and disposition quasi-realtime system software for a living...SM is pretty simple WRT to what I work with. I don't see SM doing anything that interdependent, system-wise. Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. SM is basically a front-end to a database...no hit against SM if people generating the data that go into it screw up their data, but SM should do what it does consistently and as error free with respect to it's platform interface as a user would expect - and I see problems going unaddressed in that regard, at least for Mac OS X. Platform interface requirements are pretty stable, generally speaking. Non-compliant HTML is just the tip of the iceberg. Then you have all the Javascript attacks. And let's not forget that Seamonkey is also a mail client... I remember seeing a whole series of blog postings explaining why email is a difficult animal to tame... where is it... oh yes, here: http://quetzalcoatal.blogspot.com.br/search/label/email-hard I don't see non-compliant HTML as SM's problem really...and besides, that's isn't really an issue I see or take any notice of as a *user* - what I want fixed are UE/operation related problems...like getting randomly prompted for my Master Password and trashing my Download and session, or being told to stop using the Profile Manager to solve a problem...or the short drawn drops which finally got fixed. As a user those are the sorts of things I can *see*, and what I can *see* matters more to me as a user. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Unable to use a form with SM - ok with FireFox
Hello, Another problem with SM. Unable to type into a form. Steps to reproduce: 1. go to http://www.stib-mivb.be/index.htm?l=fr 2. Click on the tab Recherche d'itinéraire 3. Then go in the middle of the page and click on the Cliquer ici pour rechercher un itinéraire 4. Type in the first zone (localité): anderlecht .. then try to type in the Rue zone ... BUT if you are too long to do something, without having the time to type: anderlecht you are switched to an error page where it's written: --- Requête non complétée Votre demande n'a pu être traitée. Veuillez réessayer. --- With IE11, it work, but i have another problem rendering the form unusable. With FireFox 26.0 all goes well SM version under Wiwdows7 is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 SeaMonkey/2.24 Build identifier: 20140203230027 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need help unsubscribing from the list. Corrected.
bryan roache wrote: H ello all, I need your help unsubscribing. I cannot seem to be able to unsubscribe via the browser. Does anyone know what the email address for unsubscribing is? It's listed right in the headers of your post. List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.mozilla.org/options/support-seamonkey, mailto:support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
seamonkey, firefox, and $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so on a Scientific Linux system
Hello! I have been dropped from administration rights on this box at work, so I can't do a regular seamonkey install. Instead, I run it out of a personal directory. On my home computer, I have a $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/ directory wherein I've put libflashplayer.so, and firefox seems to pick that up and use it ok from there. However, seamonkey does not do so. That doesn't bother me at home, because I've put it where it does find it (somewhere under /usr, if I recall correctly). Where may I put libflashplayer.so so that seamonkey will find it? I've tried putting it in .../seamonkey/ where a number of other *.so files it provides resides, but that doesn't do the trick, either. Thank you, Charles Campbell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 2:57 AM, Philip Taylor wrote: Ronald Hunter wrote: Not here. But that is on the most current version of SM. Yours is quite old. Intentionally, Ronald. 2.17.1 is the last version not to render material wrongly when Windows fonts are set to render at other than 100%. I am aware of the published work-arounds, none of which are satisfactory. Philip Taylor I am not at all sure what you mean about rendering fonts at 100% or other than. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 2:05 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Check the number of lines of code involved. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 5:29 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 11:06 AM +0900, Ed Mullen wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex Not here. SM 2.26. All videos in little windows. WFM on SM 2.26 on OS X 10.7.5. Right-click on the window and select fullscreen from the pop-up menu. Works a charm. Yup. That was my point. And with Firefox or Chrome, there is a little icon that you can click to switch it directly to full screen (which is the feature I was looking for in Seamonkey). I click the icon, it works. Latest version of SeaMonkey. Something is broke on your system, it seems. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 10:21 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll - default is true Working here. It is set at 'true'. Doesn't seem to do the trick here. Might be an extension working against me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Still Rather Complex to do Email Newsgroup Web Browsing ant one it could do FTP. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: Philip Taylor wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Does just that here. Seamonkey 2.17.1, Windows 7 Enterprise. Philip Taylor Does that for me too... Does for me in 2.26 one click and the whole URL is selected. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mailnews.reply_header_authorwrote;
NoOp: On 05/13/2014 08:39 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: Build identifier: 20140428215651 The change was in Last good: 2014-04-23 16:13:00 PDT mc-33ca5e321046 cc-711cff832014 First bad: 2014-04-24 16:18:00 PDT mc-5ecd532a167e cc-2d5ceaf7ac97 so your build should be affected. Now there are new prefs instead of the old ones. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1009585#c5 Nope: my versions still have the old prefs: http://s4.postimg.org/eh1fahohp/Screenshot_from_2014_05_14_11_56_31.png Well, the existence of prefs in the prefs.js does not mean they are valid. You could e.g. set the string pref my_name_is and the value NoOp without affecting your SM. ;) That must be why it worked for me. Hm. Your Build-Date is 2014-04-28 21:56:51 probably PDT. The checkin of the patch with the changes was 2014-04-24 13:49:45 PDT. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=995797#c17 Now, the Build-Date shows the time of the beginning of the compilation, not the age of the source. Hm. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 4:11 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. Bug #724263, now titled SeaMonkey on Mac OS X does not open HTML files or hyperlinks correctly when using the profile manager. SM will not directly open my Epson Help manual, which is a set of .html pages, or follow an on-disk Alias path to such a file when set as my default browser. It did, once upon a time...then it broke and has remained broken to this day. Safari works properly and as such I have to right click and Open With Safari in order to use Epson Help. Make that Bug #724293. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 3:29 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 11:06 AM +0900, Ed Mullen wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex Not here. SM 2.26. All videos in little windows. WFM on SM 2.26 on OS X 10.7.5. Right-click on the window and select fullscreen from the pop-up menu. Works a charm. Yup. That was my point. And with Firefox or Chrome, there is a little icon that you can click to switch it directly to full screen (which is the feature I was looking for in Seamonkey). Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Viewing your http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/VideoPlay.REX?videos/2012/0304_01_BreakfastRide.flv, I saw that icon in the lower-right corner of the video. I clicked it and got a full-monitor view. That was not an HTML5 video. You picked and older file that was a Flash video, and the Flash plugin has that feature. Pick one of the videos from a more recent year (not .FLV, but .OGV or .WEBM) and you'll see what I mean. -- Jaime A. Cruz Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 5:29 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/14/14 11:06 AM +0900, Ed Mullen wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: EE wrote: Does HTML5 video go to real full-screen at all? That has not been my experience. HTML5 from YouTube does not... however HTML5 video when you use the VIDEO HTML5 tag does. If you don't believe me, look at the videos on my motorcycle club's webpage and see for yourself. http://www.nassauwings.org/cgi-local/PhotoAlbum.rex Not here. SM 2.26. All videos in little windows. WFM on SM 2.26 on OS X 10.7.5. Right-click on the window and select fullscreen from the pop-up menu. Works a charm. Yup. That was my point. And with Firefox or Chrome, there is a little icon that you can click to switch it directly to full screen (which is the feature I was looking for in Seamonkey). I click the icon, it works. Latest version of SeaMonkey. Something is broke on your system, it seems. Like David, did you select one of the old Flash videos, or a video from a more recent year? The older videos are Flash. The newer ones are all HTML5. -- Jaime A. Cruz Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 2:38 PM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:05 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Check the number of lines of code involved. Bloat does not equal complexity or value. Before the days of desktop computers and client-server systems, I was a software test engineer on a complex software system that ran on a main-frame. This system went operational about 1971 or 1972 and continued to evolve until it was shut down in 1992. Because the main-frame had a fixed memory size, much effort was expended on ensuring that new features could be added without increasing the amount of memory required. Often, I was asked how big the system was. We had a tool that would provide the number of source-code statements as well as the size of the compiled executables. I guarded that tool to prevent naive managers from using it. After I learned that the customer (U.S. Air Force) was interested in how much code they obtained for the money they spent, I would release the results only under a cover memo that explained that size was a very poor measure of value. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 2:37 PM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 10:21 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: I would like to see a single click on the URL in the URL bar to select the whole URL like it does in Firefox. That's why I am not using SeaMonkey as my primary browser. browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll - default is true Working here. It is set at 'true'. Doesn't seem to do the trick here. Might be an extension working against me. That is the default setting. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 4:31 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Depends on what you're doing I guess...I evaluate and disposition quasi-realtime system software for a living...SM is pretty simple WRT to what I work with. I don't see SM doing anything that interdependent, system-wise. Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. SM is basically a front-end to a database...no hit against SM if people generating the data that go into it screw up their data, but SM should do what it does consistently and as error free with respect to it's platform interface as a user would expect - and I see problems going unaddressed in that regard, at least for Mac OS X. Platform interface requirements are pretty stable, generally speaking. The biggest issue with regard to complexity is the sheer number of RFCs that the code must correctly support. RFCs describe the behaviour, but not the implementation. If you've ever coded anything bigger than, say, 5,000 lines of code in a single program, you soon get a grasp of how quickly interdependencies can greatly complicate maintenance. Non-compliant HTML is just the tip of the iceberg. Then you have all the Javascript attacks. And let's not forget that Seamonkey is also a mail client... I remember seeing a whole series of blog postings explaining why email is a difficult animal to tame... where is it... oh yes, here: http://quetzalcoatal.blogspot.com.br/search/label/email-hard I don't see non-compliant HTML as SM's problem really...and besides, Of course, it's SM's problem. Poorly or intentionally malcrafted input can cause segfaults and escalated privileges. SeaMonkey has the arduous task of taking whatever comes in and hopefully displaying it in a manner that pleases the end user, all while (hopefully) sanitizing the input such that it doesn't cause failures. Because of the sheer unpredictability of the input stream, input handling is a big, big domain. The rendering engine spends a huge amount of its time evaluating the sanity of the HTML being fed into it. that's isn't really an issue I see or take any notice of as a *user* - what I want fixed are UE/operation related problems...like getting randomly prompted for my Master Password and trashing my Download and session, or being told to stop using the Profile Manager to solve a problem...or the short drawn drops which finally got fixed. As a user those are the sorts of things I can *see*, and what I can *see* matters more to me as a user. The problem with the profile manager startup bug is that it's been 2 years. Finding the original regression will be difficult. Good luck finding a developer who'll want to explore that realm. (And such is the downside of community-driven development.) -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 7:41 AM +0900, Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating Uhm. I'm using OS X. Sorry. I have _no_ idea how Linux popped into my brain. file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Cannot sync from newly installed Seamonkey to old
I am running SM 2.26 on two machines, both under Windows 8.1. The old machine has Sync set up and has worked just fine for months. I just obtained a new ultrabook (Surface 2 Pro) and installed SeaMonkey on it, same version. When I try to sync the new SM by saying I already have an account (which I do), I get as far as entering the codes supplied by the old SM into the new SM but the Next button is grayed out and stays that way. Never changes, even after several hours. If I tell the new SM that I'll set up a new sync account, it will not accept any email address whatsoever. Unknown error. This is all very frustrating. Does anyone have a suggestion for me? Norm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot sync from newly installed Seamonkey to old
On 05/14/2014 07:53 PM, Norman Fuchs wrote: I am running SM 2.26 on two machines, both under Windows 8.1. The old machine has Sync set up and has worked just fine for months. I just obtained a new ultrabook (Surface 2 Pro) and installed SeaMonkey on it, same version. When I try to sync the new SM by saying I already have an account (which I do), I get as far as entering the codes supplied by the old SM into the new SM but the Next button is grayed out and stays that way. Never changes, even after several hours. If I tell the new SM that I'll set up a new sync account, it will not accept any email address whatsoever. Unknown error. This is all very frustrating. Does anyone have a suggestion for me? Norm 'You cannot set up a new Sync account or pair a device anymore (bug 998807). Workaround: Use an older version of SeaMonkey for such tasks for now.' http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.26/#issues -- Thunderbird 30.0b1 Jazz Live International http://pittsburghjazzlive.com/ Fire Crosby and Malkin. Go Bucs! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:05 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Check the number of lines of code involved. ...and I suspect some of those are redundant, just from what I've observed with the Profile Manager. And even so, SLOC isn't really a direct indicator of complexity. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I agree - I'd used it for year myself. It's another thing that used to work and now doesn't. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Still Rather Complex to do Email Newsgroup Web Browsing ant one it could do FTP. Not really...you write three routines, and one routine to drive them all. I used to do that with my engineering homework...I'd code each assignment as a subroutine and as the semester went on I'd just choose the function I needed form the previous assignment and write a driver to call them as needed to get the result for the next assignment. My prof used to ask why I had to write such fancy code...why don't you just do the assignment. He never caught on that by doing things as I had the assignments actually were getting easier as he gave them out - copy, cut, paste, script. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. I suspect not - SM just need to be able to follow the path through the OS X file system to the actual file and open it...what it's doing now on me is opening a blank page. Again - used to work, now it doesn't, haven't changed OS X = SM problem. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:38 PM, Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:05 PM, Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Check the number of lines of code involved. Bloat does not equal complexity or value. Before the days of desktop computers and client-server systems, I was a software test engineer on a complex software system that ran on a main-frame. This system went operational about 1971 or 1972 and continued to evolve until it was shut down in 1992. Because the main-frame had a fixed memory size, much effort was expended on ensuring that new features could be added without increasing the amount of memory required. Had much the same experience myself, work with a real smart guy at Fermilab...he really knew how to save resources, and taught me some neat tricks...of course about all I remember now is the approach and philosophy and not the mechanics, really. Often, I was asked how big the system was. We had a tool that would provide the number of source-code statements as well as the size of the compiled executables. I guarded that tool to prevent naive managers from using it. After I learned that the customer (U.S. Air Force) was interested in how much code they obtained for the money they spent, I would release the results only under a cover memo that explained that size was a very poor measure of value. ...once again...similar experience. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:11 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. Bug #724263, now titled SeaMonkey on Mac OS X does not open HTML files or hyperlinks correctly when using the profile manager. SM will not directly open my Epson Help manual, which is a set of .html pages, or follow an on-disk Alias path to such a file when set as my default browser. It did, once upon a time...then it broke and has remained broken to this day. Safari works properly and as such I have to right click and Open With Safari in order to use Epson Help. Make that Bug #724293. ...one day I should learn to type! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:31 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Depends on what you're doing I guess...I evaluate and disposition quasi-realtime system software for a living...SM is pretty simple WRT to what I work with. I don't see SM doing anything that interdependent, system-wise. Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. SM is basically a front-end to a database...no hit against SM if people generating the data that go into it screw up their data, but SM should do what it does consistently and as error free with respect to it's platform interface as a user would expect - and I see problems going unaddressed in that regard, at least for Mac OS X. Platform interface requirements are pretty stable, generally speaking. The biggest issue with regard to complexity is the sheer number of RFCs that the code must correctly support. RFCs describe the behaviour, but not the implementation. If you've ever coded anything bigger than, say, 5,000 lines of code in a single program, you soon get a grasp of how quickly interdependencies can greatly complicate maintenance. ...LOTS bigger. We have a web-based tool at work that is a *real* mess...and that's been an excuse for not fixing it even though we live in a nest of professional coders...for over a decade. So I have *zero* sympathy. Fix the code. Non-compliant HTML is just the tip of the iceberg. Then you have all the Javascript attacks. And let's not forget that Seamonkey is also a mail client... I remember seeing a whole series of blog postings explaining why email is a difficult animal to tame... where is it... oh yes, here: http://quetzalcoatal.blogspot.com.br/search/label/email-hard I don't see non-compliant HTML as SM's problem really...and besides, Of course, it's SM's problem. Poorly or intentionally malcrafted input can cause segfaults and escalated privileges. SeaMonkey has the arduous task of taking whatever comes in and hopefully displaying it in a manner that pleases the end user, all while (hopefully) sanitizing the input such that it doesn't cause failures. Because of the sheer unpredictability of the input stream, input handling is a big, big domain. The rendering engine spends a huge amount of its time evaluating the sanity of the HTML being fed into it. Again, as a user I don't care how SM does that - but I do care how and that it does what *I* tell it to do...the fixes I can see. I don't see enough of them. Most of my complaints with SM are UE oriented...UE issues should be far easier to fix, and so I wonder why they always get pushed to the back burner for the sake of sheer techiness and the hard stuff. that's isn't really an issue I see or take any notice of as a *user* - what I want fixed are UE/operation related problems...like getting randomly prompted for my Master Password and trashing my Download and session, or being told to stop using the Profile Manager to solve a problem...or the short drawn drops which finally got fixed. As a user those are the sorts of things I can *see*, and what I can *see* matters more to me as a user. The problem with the profile manager startup bug is that it's been 2 years. Finding the original regression will be difficult. Good luck finding a developer who'll want to explore that realm. (And such is the downside of community-driven development.) The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? These are the sort of questions that make me doubt the whole approach, and how the whole of the project code is or isn't managed/integrated...it just seems sloppy, and a pathway to building bugs in vise out. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 7:41 AM +0900, Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating Uhm. I'm using OS X. Sorry. I have _no_ idea how Linux popped into my brain. file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. I should think we might have somewhat similar observations if you were using Linux...but that's always the problem with problems - MMV. Once again - this used to work for me, now it doesn't, and the only thing that's changed on my machine(s) is SM...SM problem. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. And my wish is even simpler : that all documented bugs are fixed before any further development takes place. Philip Taylor Philip, there is no such thing as bugless software of the complexity of SeaMonkey. If you tried to do what you ask, then no further development would ever take place, and the browser would soon become unusable as the web slowly changed. ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Still Rather Complex to do Email Newsgroup Web Browsing ant one it could do FTP. Not really...you write three routines, and one routine to drive them all. I used to do that with my engineering homework...I'd code each assignment as a subroutine and as the semester went on I'd just choose the function I needed form the previous assignment and write a driver to call them as needed to get the result for the next assignment. My prof used to ask why I had to write such fancy code...why don't you just do the assignment. He never caught on that by doing things as I had the assignments actually were getting easier as he gave them out - copy, cut, paste, script. That's why he taught and, I suspect, you worked and made money. Education vs. real world. Academia vs. life. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ They show you how detergents take out bloodstains. I think if you've got a T-shirt with bloodstains all over it, maybe your laundry isn't your biggest problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/14/2014 6:23 PM, Rufus wrote [in part]: The biggest problem I infer with the Profile Manager is that it seems to have *two* branches as evidenced by the differing splash screens when invoked - the more modern one at start up, and the older one when invoked from within the Browser...so no wonder the left hand doesn't know what the right hand has done...why isn't this code shared and there is only *one* way to draw the splash? Could the whole of the code for the PM duplicated? And what does the PM have to do why I can't get SM to launch the correct target via an OS X Alias? These are the sort of questions that make me doubt the whole approach, and how the whole of the project code is or isn't managed/integrated...it just seems sloppy, and a pathway to building bugs in vise out. After terminating SeaMonkey, I launched the Profile Manager via the command seamonkey.exe -p I captured a screen print that I call Startup. After terminating the Profile Manager, I launched SeaMonkey and then requested the Profile Manager. I captured a screen print that I call Internal. I noticed the following differences between the two Profile Manager windows. (They are NOT splashes. They are windows.) 1. The fonts in the Startup window are smaller than in the Internal window. This is easily explained by the fact that I have the Theme Font Size Changer extension installed to make SeaMonkey's fonts (menus, popups, etc) larger. With the Startup window, SeaMonkey had not yet launched and thus the extension was not operative. 2. The Startup window has an extra checkbox Work offline. When SeaMonkey is running, there is an icon in the status bar to work offline. This icon is independent of the Profile Manager. With Startup, there is no other opportunity to indicate working offline since SeaMonkey is not yet running. 3. Where the Startup window has a button Start SeaMonkey, the Internal window has a button Use Profile. With Startup, this is how you launch SeaMonkey with the selected profile. With Internal, SeaMonkey was previously launched; you merely want to change profiles. These three differences are thus explained. I saw no other differences. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM email not sending with large attachments
flyguy wrote, On 5/12/2014 11:22 AM: flyguy wrote, On 5/9/2014 10:17 PM: Paul B. Gallagher wrote, On 5/7/2014 10:49 PM: flyguy wrote: Ray_Net wrote, On 5/5/2014 12:18 PM: flyguy wrote, On 05/05/2014 17:00: Cerise wrote, On 5/4/2014 5:54 PM: On 5/4/2014 3:37 PM, flyguy wrote: The last two weeks or so, I've been unable to reliably send emails with attachments over 1 MB or so. Under 1 MB, and it sends normally; from 1 to 2 MB, it might take several tries to send it; over 2 MB, and it won't send at all. When it doesn't send, I get the error message: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because the connection to the SMTP server smtpout.secureserver.net timed out. Try again or contact your network administrator. See what happens if you try to send a large attachment with a different local mail client (looks like you're on XP? so Outlook Express might work for this test). That way you'll be trying to send a large attachment thru the same SMTP server from the same source, and can see if the problem really has anything to do with SeaMonkey. I just tried this, using Outlook Express 6. It has the same problems Seamonkey does, giving this message for a 2 MB message: Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Subject 'test 8 - 2 MB attachment', Account: 'EricGoDaddy', Server: 'smtpout.secureserver.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 80, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10053, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F A 1 MB attachment sent with no issues. So, it's not Seamonkey, but perhaps it's Win XP, because I can use the GoDaddy accounts on my iPad, going through the same router (but with a wifi instead of ethernet connection the Win XP desktop uses), and send 3 MB attachments. Could be that your anti-virus is configured to check mails (i reset this option). Checking things slow down the activity ... enough to trigger the long period of inactivity decision to kill the connection. Bingo! I am unable to send a 4 MB attachment with my Norton Internet Security Smart Firewall enabled, but it sends easily with NIS Smart Firewall disabled. This is true on both computers. The iPads don't use NIS, so it's not causing them any problems, and they can send large attachments. Maybe it's Norton, maybe GoDaddy has their timeout settings set too close - who knows? I'll start with the GoDaddy forum to see if others have this issue, the try adjusting NIS, then Norton support if that doesn't work, and OK, here are a couple of places to look in NIS, which believe it or not is user-configurable. Contrary to popular belief, you don't have to accept all the default settings. 1) From the main panel, click Settings, choose the Network tab. 2) Choose the Message Protection section, and next to Email Antivirus Scan, click Configure. 3) Options to consider (both default to enabled): [?] Scan outgoing email messages [?] Protect against timeouts Found those, tried them, and changing them helped a little. What really seemed to fix things was enabling Silent Mode. Now, both computers can send 4 MB attachments without problems; before, even 700-800 KB wouldn't reliably send. Basically, Silent Mode suspends notification of alerts and much of the background processing while the CPU is busy. Here's a summary of Silent Mode: http://tinyurl.com/lew2f68 That's still not a fix, so I'm going to contact Norton and GoDaddy tomorrow, but at least it seems to be a workaround. Turns out, that's not a reliable workaround, either. The last time I couldn't send an attachment, it was turning off the Anti-virus that did the trick; at least, it was after doing that, that email sent. And today, it worked perfectly, with no changes or workarounds. Go figure. Im hoping it was a ISP problem that is now resolved. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 10:23 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:31 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Depends on what you're doing I guess...I evaluate and disposition quasi-realtime system software for a living...SM is pretty simple WRT to what I work with. I don't see SM doing anything that interdependent, system-wise. Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. SM is basically a front-end to a database...no hit against SM if people generating the data that go into it screw up their data, but SM should do what it does consistently and as error free with respect to it's platform interface as a user would expect - and I see problems going unaddressed in that regard, at least for Mac OS X. Platform interface requirements are pretty stable, generally speaking. The biggest issue with regard to complexity is the sheer number of RFCs that the code must correctly support. RFCs describe the behaviour, but not the implementation. If you've ever coded anything bigger than, say, 5,000 lines of code in a single program, you soon get a grasp of how quickly interdependencies can greatly complicate maintenance. ...LOTS bigger. We have a web-based tool at work that is a *real* mess...and that's been an excuse for not fixing it even though we live in a nest of professional coders...for over a decade. So I have *zero* sympathy. Fix the code. Since you're well experienced with such long-term problems being present in a commercial environment replete with contracted programmers, it's worth noting that nobody's getting paid to work on SeaMonkey. It's not even really a Mozilla project. So, good luck with that lack of sympathy. I'm sure they feel the same way about coding features that you want that they have no need for. (And that's the flip-side of community-driven development.) This is rather off-topic now, so follow up to private e-mail should you wish to debate the point further. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
On 5/15/14 10:05 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/15/14 4:58 AM +0900, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 12:14 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 5/14/2014 8:17 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: After playing around with several different browsers there are a couple of minor tweaks I'd like to see to the Seamonkey interface. I'd like to be able to close a tab from the tab itself. Firefox, Chrome and even Internet explorer put a little x on the left side of the tab (even an inactive one) that allows you to close the tab. With Seamonkey, you have to bring the tab you want to close to the fore and then mouse all the way over to the right and click the X over there. As screens get higher and higher definitions, this gets more and more inconvenient. Only one other minor tweak I'd like to see, and that's in the playback of HTML5 video. Chrome and Firefox have a little clickable button at the bottom of the playback window that allows you to switch to full screen. With Seamonkey, you have to right-click to bring up the menu and select Full Screen from there. These are more convenience items than anything else but it would really simplify the experience for users, I think. Thanks for hearing me out. ...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for Master Password. And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual. What bug is that? Every time I open SM it opens my home page, an on-disk .html file. I have a Web site with over 400 .html and .shtml files. I mirror the site on one of my PC's hard drives. I have no problem navigating through my local on-disc paths as if I were navigating the Internet version on my ISP's Web server. The only difference is that my on-disc home page is at file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/index.html while my Internet version home page is at http://www.rossde.com/. Both versions use relative links, but complete links -- file:///D:/Web/myWeb/VCNet/ or http://www.rossde.com/ (where represents a path and file name) -- also work. Try using a Shortcut or Alias and see what happens... ...but I suspect this is a Mac only problem, and that's the way I wrote the bug. Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.26 I have used Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) for several years to reach selected on-disc local Web files. This is because updating those files requires significant research, and the necessary spreadsheets and other resouces are in folders separate from my mirrored Web site. I place shortcuts to the relevant Web files in those folders. I just now tested using an Internet shortcut (.URL file in Windows) to a selected on-disc local Web file. It too works. Yes, your problem is likely localized to Macs. I suspect that Linux has even more flexibility than Windows for this. I'm using Linux and have yet to experience any issue navigating file-based HTML pages with SeaMonkey. I do suspect that using an Alias would require that the HTML pages use explicit paths, as I do not believe that using an Alias changes the current working directory. That's an OS X issue, though, not a SeaMonkey issue. I suspect not - SM just need to be able to follow the path through the OS X file system to the actual file and open it...what it's doing now on me is opening a blank page. Again - used to work, now it doesn't, haven't changed OS X = SM problem. Even Windows shortcuts don't expressly execute an application from location; that's a setting within the shortcut metadata. In any case, that bug seems to be reproducible. I don't use the profile manager, so it doesn't affect me. One hopes they'll fix it. Breath-holding is probably a bad idea. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need help subscribing from the list.
On 5/15/14 3:29 AM +0900, bryan roache wrote: Hello all, I need your help unsubscribing. I cannot seem to be able to unsubscribe via the browser. Does anyone know what the email address for unsubscribing is? It's right in the mail headers of every list message you receive: mailto:support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org?subject=unsubscribe -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
