I stopped getting email

[st-silvera]

In Mail and Newsgroups - Everything under Make SeaMonkey the default 
application for: is grayed out and I can not select anything. I have not 
received email since the morning of the 24th. 
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Re: E-mail comes in twice.

[NFN Smith]

David E. Ross wrote:


I was getting this with very large messages, actually messages with
large attachments.  I set a preference under [Account Settings > Disk
Space] for my E-mail account to hold messages greater than 75 KB on the
server.  If I did not download the entire message after some elapsed
time, my ISP's mail server would send another copy of the first 75 KB.


That's actually part of the POP protocol.  When you download messages, 
the signal to delete messages from the server isn't sent until the 
entire batch of messages in the inbox on the server.  Thus, if the 
download gets interrupted, then the effect can be that messages that are 
a partial batch aren't deleted, and will get downloaded again, on a 
subsequent attempt.


This kind of effect isn't common for broadband connections, but in the 
era of dialup connections, it did happen occasionally, especially on 
slow/unreliable connections. The most common occurrence I would see 
would be a batch of several hundred KB to download that included one 
message with a relatively large attachment (typically with photos).  If 
the download would abort (usually timeout), it tended to be while it was 
downloading the large message.  And a subsequent download attempt would 
re-download the beginning of the batch (already seen), and hang again on 
the large message.  I learned to call this situation a "hairball". (Gag! 
Ack! Barf! Thwpth!)


I should note that the old Eudora client was an exception, in that it 
would send a server delete request following successful download of each 
message, rather than waiting until completion of the entire batch.




The solution is to open the truncated message and download the entire
message.  Alternatively, you might be able to view the E-mail server
over the Web and delete the offending message.



If you see this condition only once, yes, making an IMAP connection to 
the server (either by setting up an IMAP connection in your mail client, 
or by going to webmail access, which is also IMAP) will allow you to 
move both the messages you've seen, and the problem message out of the 
inbox (whether to trash, or just to some other folder) so that the top 
of the inbox becomes messages that you haven't yet tried to download.


However, I do concur with the advice that restarting in Safe Mode is a 
useful thing, as that will indicate whether the problem may be either 
with an extension, or some other personal preference setting that may be 
sufficiently amiss that it's interfering with download.


Smith


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Re: E-mail comes in twice.

[WaltS48]

On 05/26/2014 06:51 PM, G Tod wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/26/2014 11:13 AM, G Tod wrote:

(I have SM 2.23 on Win7.)  For the past month or two I have been
receiving most of my e-mails twice.  More recently some have been coming
in three times!  Is this possibly a SeaMonkey issue, or is my ISP's
service more likely at fault?



I was getting this with very large messages, actually messages with
large attachments.  I set a preference under [Account Settings > Disk
Space] for my E-mail account to hold messages greater than 75 KB on the
server.  If I did not download the entire message after some elapsed
time, my ISP's mail server would send another copy of the first 75 KB.

The solution is to open the truncated message and download the entire
message.  Alternatively, you might be able to view the E-mail server
over the Web and delete the offending message.



Thanks for the info, but...  I have never checked "To save disc space,
do not download: messages larger than XX kb.  Also, it's not just large
messages here, when it does happen, it's ALL current messages, no matter
the size.  As for logging into it over the web and deleting
therewell, that's just too time consuming for this amount of
messages.  Any other ideas out there?



Update to the current SeaMonkey, then restart in safe mode to see if an 
extension is causing the problem.


If you must use a version that is vulnerable to security exploits, try 
starting in safe mode to see if an extension is causing the problem.


[Safe Mode - MozillaZine Knowledge 
Base](http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_Mode)


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[WaltS48]

On 05/26/2014 06:22 PM, Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/27/14 7:13 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote, On 26/05/2014 22:53:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does
not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.

It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..


That site seems perfectly normal to me.  Maybe Mac SeaMonkey behaves
differently from Windows SeaMonkey?


WFM too ... perhaps my AdBlock+ avoid activities


The issue is one of confusion. The functionality of the Stop button is
to stop loading a page. It does that quite well. Once the page is
loaded, the stop button has no further function and so should likely be
disabled. As it is left in an enabled state, users can be forgiven for
thinking that it might stop script execution on a fully-loaded page.
Alas, that isn't how it works in my experience. Once the page has
loaded, the stop button has no effect whatsoever on dynamically updated
content.




My Stop button is disabled once the Guardian site finishes loading and 
stays that way.


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Re: E-mail comes in twice.

[G Tod]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/26/2014 11:13 AM, G Tod wrote:

(I have SM 2.23 on Win7.)  For the past month or two I have been
receiving most of my e-mails twice.  More recently some have been coming
in three times!  Is this possibly a SeaMonkey issue, or is my ISP's
service more likely at fault?



I was getting this with very large messages, actually messages with
large attachments.  I set a preference under [Account Settings > Disk
Space] for my E-mail account to hold messages greater than 75 KB on the
server.  If I did not download the entire message after some elapsed
time, my ISP's mail server would send another copy of the first 75 KB.

The solution is to open the truncated message and download the entire
message.  Alternatively, you might be able to view the E-mail server
over the Web and delete the offending message.



Thanks for the info, but...  I have never checked "To save disc space, 
do not download: messages larger than XX kb.  Also, it's not just large 
messages here, when it does happen, it's ALL current messages, no matter 
the size.  As for logging into it over the web and deleting 
therewell, that's just too time consuming for this amount of 
messages.  Any other ideas out there?

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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Trane Francks]

On 5/27/14 7:13 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote, On 26/05/2014 22:53:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.

It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..


That site seems perfectly normal to me.  Maybe Mac SeaMonkey behaves
differently from Windows SeaMonkey?


WFM too ... perhaps my AdBlock+ avoid activities

The issue is one of confusion. The functionality of the Stop button is 
to stop loading a page. It does that quite well. Once the page is 
loaded, the stop button has no further function and so should likely be 
disabled. As it is left in an enabled state, users can be forgiven for 
thinking that it might stop script execution on a fully-loaded page. 
Alas, that isn't how it works in my experience. Once the page has 
loaded, the stop button has no effect whatsoever on dynamically updated 
content.


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote, On 26/05/2014 22:53:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.

It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..

That site seems perfectly normal to me.  Maybe Mac SeaMonkey behaves 
differently from Windows SeaMonkey?



WFM too ... perhaps my AdBlock+ avoid activities
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Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:




I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that
on my
1.1.19 install and see what I see.



I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it
has
394 unread in the group.  But, like I said already, to me, it's
just a
new color, not a new thing.

GW


I concur.



I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me
problems...but
this time, I also got a message that "SM cannot open this Folder
because
another process it using it - try again later".  I had to quit SM and
restart to actually clear the problem...same as always.

Is there a size limit for Folders or something?..


Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is
compacting the folder.



...I thought I had control over that?



its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically,
or ask you, or not at all

GW


I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will
save a given amount of disk space.  I must have hit it just right, I may
adjust my setting.



choose an odd number.
That fixed my hang-up / stall on automatic message checking back around
2005.  Mozilla didn't like 2,4,6,8 or 10 so I put 9.  Fixed it! (strange
but true)

GW



It's interesting that the problem now seems to be just with this one 
Folder...I've just had it happen again, and had to close and re-open SM 
after attempting to drag a post into it.


And even more interesting is that upon restart of SM I can see that the 
task of dragging the post into the Folder was completed even though Mail 
was still hung/in wait after the drag and wouldn't "wake up".


There are 1459 items in this Folder...I have another one that is bigger, 
and after trying to drag something into it, this happens with that one 
as well - now I've got the blue-ball again...


...after I re-launch, I'll try it with a smaller one and see what 
happens.  Pretty sure now it's not connected to Folders being Compacted.


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Re: E-mail comes in twice.

[David E. Ross]

On 5/26/2014 11:13 AM, G Tod wrote:
> (I have SM 2.23 on Win7.)  For the past month or two I have been 
> receiving most of my e-mails twice.  More recently some have been coming 
> in three times!  Is this possibly a SeaMonkey issue, or is my ISP's 
> service more likely at fault?
> 

I was getting this with very large messages, actually messages with
large attachments.  I set a preference under [Account Settings > Disk
Space] for my E-mail account to hold messages greater than 75 KB on the
server.  If I did not download the entire message after some elapsed
time, my ISP's mail server would send another copy of the first 75 KB.

The solution is to open the truncated message and download the entire
message.  Alternatively, you might be able to view the E-mail server
over the Web and delete the offending message.

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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[EE]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.

It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..

That site seems perfectly normal to me.  Maybe Mac SeaMonkey behaves 
differently from Windows SeaMonkey?


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Re: Importance of my own profile?

[Mort]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/26/14 3:55 AM +0900, WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/25/2014 02:51 PM, Mort wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2014-05-24, 10:32 PM, Mort wrote:

A tech service transferred files from my old Win XP to my new Win 7
Pro.
In so doing, my personal profile in XP was corrupted. It will only
start
and function in default profile. The store geek said that I do not
need
my personal profile, and that the default one works fine. My cruising
the net suggests otherwise, but was not clear.

Is it important that I get my personal profile corrected, or is it
OK to
just work with a default profile?

Any advice will be appreciated.



* You don't need to edit files in your profile folder. Just use the
instructions at .

* Show him a copy of this message, and ask for your money back.
Transferring data should never result in corruption of data.



Thanks, Chris, for your nice reply. I will indeed show them a printout
of your message. Aren't there any standards for people who are
supposedly tech support guys?

Mort



Do you think the tech support guys have knowledge of every program in
existence? Especially those with a small user base like SeaMonkey.


Irrelevant. If a tech engineer doesn't know how to migrate certain data,
it is his/her responsibility to learn or pass on the task. It is not a
viable business option to corrupt a client's data. Ever.

In the case of SeaMonkey, how to transfer a profile properly is easily
gleaned from a quick Google search. There simply is no excuse for not
getting it right.

Signed,

Seasoned on-site tech engineer




Hi Trane,

Thanks for your comments, which are appreciated. One of the bothersome 
things here, is that I never asked the tech guys to touch my profile. I 
asked them to copy 4 files from the old to the new laptop: bookmarks, 
address book, Picasa photos, and music. Ironically, I feared that if I 
did it, I would make mistakes. Their incompetence and disinformation is 
most annoying,and has put my data and info in jeopardy. After all my 
visits and heartburn and fears, they only transferred the file with 
pictures to my newer PC, and not the other 3, and their fee was hefty to 
boot.


This was at Staples  Mount Kisco tech support, which has  a good 
reputation in this area = Westchester County, NY. It was a painful way 
for me to learn a lesson.


Thanks again to all the wonderful guys whose responses were very 
helpful. I'll have a showdown with the tech guys and the store manager 
in the next day or two, and hope for the best.


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E-mail comes in twice.

[G Tod]

(I have SM 2.23 on Win7.)  For the past month or two I have been 
receiving most of my e-mails twice.  More recently some have been coming 
in three times!  Is this possibly a SeaMonkey issue, or is my ISP's 
service more likely at fault?

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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Geoff Welsh]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/26/2014 12:11 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.




So you want to stop background requests that are updating the sites
content (probably the Breaking News ticker that updates every few
seconds), not the loading of the site itself, because Stop works just
peachy keen for that.

There is a Pause button between the < > arrows to pause the news ticker
on that site.

For other sites there are extensions that users can use to block
unwanted http requests I believe, or use a host file, or look for the
pause/stop button on the site.



Is there an extension that puts "oh good grief, just stop all scripts 
now" button in the Toolbar?


Every once in a while I have seen that "script non-responsive" 
notification / sub-window on various sitesit'd be nice to have 
access to that ahead of time.


Sites like the MLB baseball scoreboard:



love to do things all by themselves if left in an open tab or window in 
the background.


I have learned to just close that page immediately after viewing it for 
ten seconds.


Killing Javascript b4 loading a page makes some pages not even load (at 
all), but killing it a few seconds later would be great!


GW
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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Ed Mullen]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/26/2014 12:11 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.




So you want to stop background requests that are updating the sites
content (probably the Breaking News ticker that updates every few
seconds), not the loading of the site itself, because Stop works just
peachy keen for that.

There is a Pause button between the < > arrows to pause the news ticker
on that site.

For other sites there are extensions that users can use to block
unwanted http requests I believe, or use a host file, or look for the
pause/stop button on the site.



Well, I sat and watched and nothing else loaded for a couple of minutes 
so I closed the tab.


If I go and let the site load after about 4 seconds I see no activity on 
the throbber.


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[David E. Ross]

On 5/26/2014 9:11 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>> You might want to check into to this bug report:
>> 
>> (Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)
> 
> Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/uk
> 
> you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar 
> (or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not 
> do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for 
> end users to simply avoid them.
> 
> It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days 
> when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's 
> fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..
> 

Many times, the reloading and redirecting are performed by JavaScript
scripts.  I have the PrefBar extension installed with the JavaScript
checkbox enabled.  When I see unwanted reloading or redirection, I clear
the checkbox, count to 5, and then check the checkbox to re-enable
JavaScript.

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Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:




I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my
1.1.19 install and see what I see.



I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it
has
394 unread in the group.  But, like I said already, to me, it's
just a
new color, not a new thing.

GW


I concur.



I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me
problems...but
this time, I also got a message that "SM cannot open this Folder
because
another process it using it - try again later".  I had to quit SM and
restart to actually clear the problem...same as always.

Is there a size limit for Folders or something?..


Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is
compacting the folder.



...I thought I had control over that?



its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically,
or ask you, or not at all

GW


I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will
save a given amount of disk space.  I must have hit it just right, I may
adjust my setting.



choose an odd number.
That fixed my hang-up / stall on automatic message checking back around 
2005.  Mozilla didn't like 2,4,6,8 or 10 so I put 9.  Fixed it! 
(strange but true)


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[WaltS48]

On 05/26/2014 12:11 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.




So you want to stop background requests that are updating the sites 
content (probably the Breaking News ticker that updates every few 
seconds), not the loading of the site itself, because Stop works just 
peachy keen for that.


There is a Pause button between the < > arrows to pause the news ticker 
on that site.


For other sites there are extensions that users can use to block 
unwanted http requests I believe, or use a host file, or look for the 
pause/stop button on the site.


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Ed Mullen]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for
end users to simply avoid them.

It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..



I clicked on the link, the site opened, I immediately clicked STOP and 
everything stopped.


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Re: Stop Button - does not STOP anymore?

[Gerry Hickman]

NoOp wrote:


You might want to check into to this bug report:

(Bug 1008817 - Stop Button/Function inappropriately disabled)


Yup, that's the same issue. If you browse this site

http://www.theguardian.com/uk

you will notice constant new HTTP requests are shown on the status bar 
(or more accurately if you use FireBug). Again, the stop button does not 
do anything. These are big name sites; I don't think it's practical for 
end users to simply avoid them.


It would appear that the code behind the stop button is from the days 
when a web page was just a single HTTP request. I do not believe it's 
fit for purpose with today's AJAX based sites..


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