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Re: Seamonkey: failure to load

2016-01-15 Thread Ed Mullen


Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 1/16/2016 2:14 AM:

Ed Mullen wrote:


Ian wrote on 1/15/2016 10:45 PM:

I've been able to download, install, and run Seamonkey before so
I'm not exactly sure what is going on this time.


And, based on you post, neither are we!


I looked through the forums and community pages and found various
things pertaining to the two problems I had but none covered the
two together.


Well, we have no idea of either of your two problems based on this
post.


I'm sending a screenshot of my terminal after running ./seamonkey


And, um, WHEN are you sending the screenshot?


AFAIK attachments are blocked here, so he probably meant well but failed
to accomplish it. Ian, you'll have to put the screenshot somewhere else
and post a link here.

And if you want help, you'll have to give your helpers a lot more to go
on than this. I'm afraid mind-reading is not a common skill hereabouts.



If he needs to do an attachment I think mozilla.test.multimedia would work.


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Re: Seamonkey: failure to load

2016-01-15 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


Ed Mullen wrote:


Ian wrote on 1/15/2016 10:45 PM:

I've been able to download, install, and run Seamonkey before so
I'm not exactly sure what is going on this time.


And, based on you post, neither are we!


I looked through the forums and community pages and found various
things pertaining to the two problems I had but none covered the
two together.


Well, we have no idea of either of your two problems based on this
post.


I'm sending a screenshot of my terminal after running ./seamonkey


And, um, WHEN are you sending the screenshot?


AFAIK attachments are blocked here, so he probably meant well but failed 
to accomplish it. Ian, you'll have to put the screenshot somewhere else 
and post a link here.


And if you want help, you'll have to give your helpers a lot more to go 
on than this. I'm afraid mind-reading is not a common skill hereabouts.


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Re: Seamonkey: failure to load

2016-01-15 Thread Ed Mullen


Ian wrote on 1/15/2016 10:45 PM:

I've been able to download, install, and run Seamonkey before so I'm
not exactly sure what is going on this time.


And, based on you post, neither are we!

I looked through the

forums and community pages and found various things pertaining to  the
two problems I had but none covered the two together.


Well, we have no idea of either of your two problems based on this post.

I'm sending a

screenshot of my terminal after running ./seamonkey



And, um, WHEN are you sending the screenshot?

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Seamonkey: failure to load

2016-01-15 Thread Ian

I've been able to download, install, and run Seamonkey before so I'm
not exactly sure what is going on this time. I looked through the
forums and community pages and found various things pertaining to  the
two problems I had but none covered the two together. I'm sending a
screenshot of my terminal after running ./seamonkey
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Re: Amount of bytes for a picture different between attached and copy/paste ?

2016-01-15 Thread Ray_Net


mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 15/01/2016 22:18:

Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 14/01/2016 23:52:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have just done a test:
With the same picture 75Kb ...
I attached this picture at a plain-text mail - length of this 
plain-text

mail is 104 KB
I copy/paste this picture in an html mail sent if both format- 
length of

this html mail is 58,2 KB
Both mails contains only "TEST" in the body.
The subject of the plain-text mail is: PLAIN-TEXT-test jpg attached 
75Kb

The subject of the html mail is: HTML-Test
So the biggest part of those two mails is the picture.
75Kb is transmitted with a 104KB plain-text mail.
75Kb is transmitted with a 58.2KB htlm mail.

What is the "magic" feature who construct an html mail smaller than a
plain-text one ?


Attaching a file will encode it such that the recipient can get a file
with the same content as you have on disk.

I assume by "copy/paste this picture in an html mail" you mean you
open the image in some other application, copy from there and paste
into the HTML message so that the image is displayed as part of the
message. In that case, SeaMonkey just gets the image data - it doesn't
know anything about the file on disk that it came from (it may not
even have existed on disk). SeaMonkey will save the image data in some
format to attach to the email, which may or may not be the same format
as your file on disk. Not knowing what format it's used in your case,
it's possible that it either used JPEG with higher compression (lower
quality) than you saved the file, or perhaps the nature of the image
compressed better in PNG and SeaMonkey used that.

Of course, if the image was resized (even if not saved) before
copying, a smaller image would be pasted into SeaMonkey so would
result in a smaller email.

Mark.


It's just a jpeg image attached directly in the plain-txt message


So that will be attached exactly as it exists on disk.


and
for the html, the jpg is just opened by Irfanview who had created this
file witth a screen-copy.
This file did not contain anythig else that the pixels .. this is not a
photo so, no EXIF, no IPTC and no COMMENT attached to the picture.
When opened with Irfanview, I did not touche the picture, no crop, no
dimensions changes, no colour characteristic  UNTOUCHED.
Then I just do in IrfanView the "copy" command followed by the paste
command into the html mail.


So SeaMonkey only gets the image data. It knows nothing of the 
original file on disk, so compresses it to JPEG using some quality 
setting etc. which may not be the same as used for the original image. 
It also won't have any metadata which may have been included in the 
original JPEG file (e.g. a preview thumbnail).




In plain-text mail I found:





and in HTML mail I found:





I suspect that SM did not encode the same way the same picture.


How do you expect SeaMonkey to know how the original file was encoded? 
It doesn't know where that file is, nor whether an image pasted from 
the clipboard even exists as a file. Using Insert > Image > Choose 
File /might/ lead to the file being included exactly as on disk, 
though I wouldn't be surprised if it still does some optimisation to 
reduce the size for sending by email.


If you want the file to arrive with the exact same content as it has 
on your disk, attach it (whether to a plain text or HTML email). If 
the intention is only that the image is included as part of the email 
body (which is what it sounds like you're doing with the HTML email), 
is it a problem that it's not compressed exactly the same as the 
original file on your disk?


Mark.


In both way, SM is obliged to manipulate the data ...
With an attachment, this not an exact copy from disk to mail, because in 
the mail, all the data must be transformed in a big string composed of 
"printable" characters. But at the reception pc, If we do a save as ... 
the disk sended file and the disk received file will be exactly the same.
With a copy/paste, this is the same except that SM perform a compression 
first. so the disk sended file and the disk received file will be different.


I have done the test:
- Saving the received picture of the inclusion in the html mail gives me 
a 42KB picture.
- Saving the received picture of the attachment in the plain-txt mail 
gives me a 74,8KB picture - same length as the original file on disk.


The last question could be: How can we modify a parameter in SM in such 
a way that we can modify the compression force when inserted in an html 
mail ?

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Re: Amount of bytes for a picture different between attached and copy/paste ?

2016-01-15 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne


Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 14/01/2016 23:52:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have just done a test:
With the same picture 75Kb ...
I attached this picture at a plain-text mail - length of this plain-text
mail is 104 KB
I copy/paste this picture in an html mail sent if both format- length of
this html mail is 58,2 KB
Both mails contains only "TEST" in the body.
The subject of the plain-text mail is: PLAIN-TEXT-test jpg attached 75Kb
The subject of the html mail is: HTML-Test
So the biggest part of those two mails is the picture.
75Kb is transmitted with a 104KB plain-text mail.
75Kb is transmitted with a 58.2KB htlm mail.

What is the "magic" feature who construct an html mail smaller than a
plain-text one ?


Attaching a file will encode it such that the recipient can get a file
with the same content as you have on disk.

I assume by "copy/paste this picture in an html mail" you mean you
open the image in some other application, copy from there and paste
into the HTML message so that the image is displayed as part of the
message. In that case, SeaMonkey just gets the image data - it doesn't
know anything about the file on disk that it came from (it may not
even have existed on disk). SeaMonkey will save the image data in some
format to attach to the email, which may or may not be the same format
as your file on disk. Not knowing what format it's used in your case,
it's possible that it either used JPEG with higher compression (lower
quality) than you saved the file, or perhaps the nature of the image
compressed better in PNG and SeaMonkey used that.

Of course, if the image was resized (even if not saved) before
copying, a smaller image would be pasted into SeaMonkey so would
result in a smaller email.

Mark.


It's just a jpeg image attached directly in the plain-txt message


So that will be attached exactly as it exists on disk.


and
for the html, the jpg is just opened by Irfanview who had created this
file witth a screen-copy.
This file did not contain anythig else that the pixels .. this is not a
photo so, no EXIF, no IPTC and no COMMENT attached to the picture.
When opened with Irfanview, I did not touche the picture, no crop, no
dimensions changes, no colour characteristic  UNTOUCHED.
Then I just do in IrfanView the "copy" command followed by the paste
command into the html mail.


So SeaMonkey only gets the image data. It knows nothing of the original 
file on disk, so compresses it to JPEG using some quality setting etc. 
which may not be the same as used for the original image. It also won't 
have any metadata which may have been included in the original JPEG file 
(e.g. a preview thumbnail).




In plain-text mail I found:





and in HTML mail I found:





I suspect that SM did not encode the same way the same picture.


How do you expect SeaMonkey to know how the original file was encoded? 
It doesn't know where that file is, nor whether an image pasted from the 
clipboard even exists as a file. Using Insert > Image > Choose File 
/might/ lead to the file being included exactly as on disk, though I 
wouldn't be surprised if it still does some optimisation to reduce the 
size for sending by email.


If you want the file to arrive with the exact same content as it has on 
your disk, attach it (whether to a plain text or HTML email). If the 
intention is only that the image is included as part of the email body 
(which is what it sounds like you're doing with the HTML email), is it a 
problem that it's not compressed exactly the same as the original file 
on your disk?


Mark.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40?

2016-01-15 Thread chicagofan


Philip Chee wrote:

On 14/01/2016 21:40, Ant wrote:

ewongMc I'm currently stalled on getting 2.40 released..
I'm very sorry.




Bummer. :(

Lets all wish ewong a speedy recovery and thank him for all the
work he's done in the past to keep Seamonkey up and running... i
just love using Seamonkey...


You have lots of company, and I'm sure everyone wishes him a speedy 
recovery.



Ditto. Wait, what happened to him? Did I miss something?

Accident happened (not life threatening). He's out of hospital but his
arm is in a splint which means typing is really hard.

Phil

Sorry to hear this, but it does give us a chance to thank you all for 
your work on SM.  It is greatly appreciated.  :)  Get well, ewong.  :)

Barbara
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Re: Amount of bytes for a picture different between attached and copy/paste ?

2016-01-15 Thread Mason83

On 15/01/2016 17:45, Ray_Net wrote:

> /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB
> AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/2wBDAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB
> AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/wAAR
> CAEyAcEDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHgAAAgEFAQEBAAcGAwQFCAkCAQr/xABYEAAB

  ff d8 ff e0 00 10 4a 46  49 46 00 01 01 00 00 01  |..JFIF..|
0010  00 01 00 00 ff db 00 43  00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  |...C|
0020  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0030  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0040  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0050  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 ff db 00 43 01 01 01  |C...|
0060  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0070  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0080  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  ||
0090  01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01  01 01 01 01 01 01 ff c0  ||
00a0  00 11 08 01 32 01 c1 03  01 22 00 02 11 01 03 11  |2"..|
00b0  01 ff c4 00 1e 00 00 02  01 05 01 01 01 00 00 00  ||
00c0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07  06 03 04 05 08 09 02 01  ||
00d0  0a ff c4 00 58 10 00 01   |X...|

> /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAMCAgICAgMCAgIDAwMDBAYEBAQEBAgGBgUGCQgK
> CgkICQkKDA8MCgsOCwkJDRENDg8QEBEQCgwSExIQEw8QEBD/2wBDAQMDAwQDBAgEBAgQCwkL
> EBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBD/wAAR
> CAEyAcEDAREAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA

  ff d8 ff e0 00 10 4a 46  49 46 00 01 01 00 00 01  |..JFIF..|
0010  00 01 00 00 ff db 00 43  00 03 02 02 02 02 02 03  |...C|
0020  02 02 02 03 03 03 03 04  06 04 04 04 04 04 08 06  ||
0030  06 05 06 09 08 0a 0a 09  08 09 09 0a 0c 0f 0c 0a  ||
0040  0b 0e 0b 09 09 0d 11 0d  0e 0f 10 10 11 10 0a 0c  ||
0050  12 13 12 10 13 0f 10 10  10 ff db 00 43 01 03 03  |C...|
0060  03 04 03 04 08 04 04 08  10 0b 09 0b 10 10 10 10  ||
0070  10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10  10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10  ||
0080  10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10  10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10  ||
0090  10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10  10 10 10 10 10 10 ff c0  ||
00a0  00 11 08 01 32 01 c1 03  01 11 00 02 11 01 03 11  |2...|
00b0  01 ff c4 00 1f 00 00 01  05 01 01 01 01 01 01 00  ||
00c0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01  02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09  ||
00d0  0a 0b ff c4 00 b5 10 00   ||


Quite different indeed.

Regards.

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Re: Amount of bytes for a picture different between attached and copy/paste ?

2016-01-15 Thread Ray_Net


mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 14/01/2016 23:52:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have just done a test:
With the same picture 75Kb ...
I attached this picture at a plain-text mail - length of this plain-text
mail is 104 KB
I copy/paste this picture in an html mail sent if both format- length of
this html mail is 58,2 KB
Both mails contains only "TEST" in the body.
The subject of the plain-text mail is: PLAIN-TEXT-test jpg attached 75Kb
The subject of the html mail is: HTML-Test
So the biggest part of those two mails is the picture.
75Kb is transmitted with a 104KB plain-text mail.
75Kb is transmitted with a 58.2KB htlm mail.

What is the "magic" feature who construct an html mail smaller than a
plain-text one ?


Attaching a file will encode it such that the recipient can get a file 
with the same content as you have on disk.


I assume by "copy/paste this picture in an html mail" you mean you 
open the image in some other application, copy from there and paste 
into the HTML message so that the image is displayed as part of the 
message. In that case, SeaMonkey just gets the image data - it doesn't 
know anything about the file on disk that it came from (it may not 
even have existed on disk). SeaMonkey will save the image data in some 
format to attach to the email, which may or may not be the same format 
as your file on disk. Not knowing what format it's used in your case, 
it's possible that it either used JPEG with higher compression (lower 
quality) than you saved the file, or perhaps the nature of the image 
compressed better in PNG and SeaMonkey used that.


Of course, if the image was resized (even if not saved) before 
copying, a smaller image would be pasted into SeaMonkey so would 
result in a smaller email.


Mark.

It's just a jpeg image attached directly in the plain-txt message and 
for the html, the jpg is just opened by Irfanview who had created this 
file witth a screen-copy.
This file did not contain anythig else that the pixels .. this is not a 
photo so, no EXIF, no IPTC and no COMMENT attached to the picture.
When opened with Irfanview, I did not touche the picture, no crop, no 
dimensions changes, no colour characteristic  UNTOUCHED.
Then I just do in IrfanView the "copy" command followed by the paste 
command into the html mail.


In plain-text mail I found:

--040508080703080101040301
Content-Type: image/jpeg;
 name="Le-Corbusier-Firminy.jpg"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
 filename="Le-Corbusier-Firminy.jpg"

/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB
AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/2wBDAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB
AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/wAAR
CAEyAcEDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHgAAAgEFAQEBAAcGAwQFCAkCAQr/xABYEAAB

and in HTML mail I found:


--090304070503060208050406
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-ID: 

/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAMCAgICAgMCAgIDAwMDBAYEBAQEBAgGBgUGCQgK
CgkICQkKDA8MCgsOCwkJDRENDg8QEBEQCgwSExIQEw8QEBD/2wBDAQMDAwQDBAgEBAgQCwkL
EBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBD/wAAR
CAEyAcEDAREAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA

I suspect that SM did not encode the same way the same picture.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40?

2016-01-15 Thread Philip Chee

On 14/01/2016 21:40, Ant wrote:
 ewongMc I'm currently stalled on getting 2.40 released..
 I'm very sorry.
 
 
>>>
>>>
 
Bummer. :(
>> 
>> Lets all wish ewong a speedy recovery and thank him for all the
>> work he's done in the past to keep Seamonkey up and running... i
>> just love using Seamonkey...
> 
> Ditto. Wait, what happened to him? Did I miss something?

Accident happened (not life threatening). He's out of hospital but his
arm is in a splint which means typing is really hard.

Phil

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