Re: Can't create new "saved searches" in Seamonkey Mail

[Letture Fantastiche - Postmaster]

Il 25/02/2016 alle 18:59, NFN Smith ha scritto:


We can wait a bit, but if there isn't further feedback, it looks like
something for one of us to file, as a bug report.


I think so too.

BTW, after having created this newsgroup account, I'm unable to create 
mail accounts now. The wizard always defaults to nntp accounts. How do I 
select what kind of accounts I can create?


It seems there are some usability issues.  :'(

Regards,

S.
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Re: Terminology? - was [Re: No More Plugins? (plugin != extension)]

[David E. Ross]

On 2/25/2016 3:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote on 25/02/2016 16:39:
>> On 2/25/2016 2:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2016 6:26 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/24/2016 2:04 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 2/23/2016 7:46 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Yes, I know the difference between a plugin and an extension. ...
>>
> But some readers, including myself [even though around since
> Netscape 4.x], do not.
> Could you point to an official definition of the terms "plugin"
> and "extension"?
> I for one have never seen the need to enhance in any way a
> standard release. I explicitly disable some longtime features
> such as cookies, JavaScript, and site specified colors/backgrounds.
>
 Go to .  There are four
 bullets; the first two are relevant.

>>> Thank you. When I said "official definition" I should have said
>>> something like "How does SeaMonkey (or Mozilla) define the
>>> distinction between a 'plugin' and an 'extension' ?"
>>>
>>  From actually using both plugins and extensions, the Wikipedia
>> description reflects reality.  When I open the Add-ons Manager, the
>> items under Extensions are indeed as described in the second bulltet on
>> the Wikipedia page; and the items under Plugins are as described in the
>> first bullet on that page.
>>
> So when a plugin crashes ... the browser is still alive.
> When an extension crashes... the browser crashes.
> Am I wrong ?
> 

I think that is correct.

A plugin is installed separately and independently of the browser or any
other application that might launch it (e.g., Thunderbird).  The browser
launches the plugin to perform some task.  I generally download plugins
via SeaMonkey.  When I install a new plugin, however, I do so with
SeaMonkey terminated.  The same plugin -- not a separate installation --
can be used by other applications; it is not installed specifically for
each application that uses it.

An extension is installed into a browser's profile, changing the
internal code of the browser when that profile is active.  I just now
installed an update for the Theme Font & Size Changer extension.  I had
to install it five times, once for each of four SeaMonkey profiles and
once again for Thunderbird.

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Re: Terminology? - was [Re: No More Plugins? (plugin != extension)]

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote on 25/02/2016 16:39:

On 2/25/2016 2:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 2/24/2016 6:26 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/24/2016 2:04 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 2/23/2016 7:46 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

[snip]

Yes, I know the difference between a plugin and an extension. ...


But some readers, including myself [even though around since
Netscape 4.x], do not.
Could you point to an official definition of the terms "plugin"
and "extension"?
I for one have never seen the need to enhance in any way a
standard release. I explicitly disable some longtime features
such as cookies, JavaScript, and site specified colors/backgrounds.


Go to .  There are four
bullets; the first two are relevant.


Thank you. When I said "official definition" I should have said
something like "How does SeaMonkey (or Mozilla) define the
distinction between a 'plugin' and an 'extension' ?"


 From actually using both plugins and extensions, the Wikipedia
description reflects reality.  When I open the Add-ons Manager, the
items under Extensions are indeed as described in the second bulltet on
the Wikipedia page; and the items under Plugins are as described in the
first bullet on that page.


So when a plugin crashes ... the browser is still alive.
When an extension crashes... the browser crashes.
Am I wrong ?
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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[Ray_Net]

Mason83 wrote on 25/02/2016 13:16:

On 24/02/2016 00:11, Alexandre Yudenitsch wrote:


EE wrote, on 23 Feb 16 15:16:


Are you blocking referers?  If a site will not respond to clicks on
links, that could be the problem.  If you are using RefControl, you can
make exceptions to blocking for particular sites.

I don't know what you mean: 'Link Behavior' in SM Preferences doesn't
say anything about blocking 'referrers', and as far as I know I'm not
using "RefControl" (is that an add-on/extension?).

I think EE is referring (see what I did there!) to the
network.http.referer.* and network.http.sendRefererHeader
config settings.

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/01/21/meta-referrer/
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/01/22/improve-online-privacy-by-controlling-referrer-information/
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.sendRefererHeader

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55477
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822869
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer

Regards.


Using $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']
The address of the page (if any) which referred the user agent to the 
current page. This is set by the user agent. Not all user agents will 
set this, and some provide the ability to modify HTTP_REFERER as a 
feature. In short, it cannot really be trusted.


But we used it, because our spammer was not clever enough to forge a 
correct referer :-)

So we discard any action coming from his site.
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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote on 25/02/2016 19:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 24/02/2016 22:35:


"Link Behaviour" is basically tabs versus windows.  A referrer is
information that a browser sends when following links or picking up
images to the site where the file is being requested, telling it where
the browser came from.  I use RefControl to block third party
referrers, since they are normally not needed, and I do not think one
website needs to know where I came from if I came from a different 
host.



On our Website, we fill our database with a lot of stupid entries ...
this was caused by spammers who copy a page of one of our form into
their host, modify it then use it a lot.
The "referer" was our solution to stop the fill of our database because
we test: If the referer is not from our site, then discard.
This is a case of one website NEEDS TO KNOW where you came from.


But I could jump into your site from a bookmark, and doing it that way 
does not send any referrer.  I am also not blocking first-party 
referrers.  Doing that can cause problems, and there is not much point 
anyway.



NO you cannot jump from a bookmark ...
When you use a form, you must:
1. Ask the empty form to be filled in. Let's say: http://mysite/myform.php
2. Fill the form, then hit the "SEND" button
3. This action will trigger http://mysite/myform-action.php
4. http://mysite/myform-action.php will:
  a) Check the referrer which MUST be http://mysite/myform.php (if this 
is not this value (your example is your bookmark pointing wrongly to 
http://mysite/myform-action.php) then stop and do nothing.

  If true then perform point b) and c)
  b)check the sended data
  c)take action depending of good values entered or bad values entered 
(this could be an entry in the dabase, and or sending a mail and/or 
reply at http://mysite/myform-reply.php


Normally, you cannot bookmark http://mysite/myform-action.php because 
your browser can only store this page: http://mysite/myform.php, or this 
page: http://mysite/myform-reply.php
If, you really have a bookmark with http://mysite/myform-action.php and 
you use it:
 - You did not send any data the myform-action.php will use, and if you 
don't send a referrer, your action will be discarded.


The spammer create on his host http://his-host/myform.php and trigger 
http://mysite/myform-action.php who, if correctly coded, will reject 
when the referrer is :

http://his-host/myform.php
instead of:
http://mysite/myform.php
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Re: Garmin plugin install

[kenzierose6989]

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:44:27 PM UTC-7, kenzier...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:42:45 PM UTC-7, kenzier...@gmail.com 
> wrote
> mine won't work but im not swearing

oh never mind i thought you meant dick as in you know what not the name Dick
sorry guys
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Re: Garmin plugin install

[kenzierose6989]

watch ur language dude


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Re: Garmin plugin install

[kenzierose6989]

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:42:45 PM UTC-7, kenzier...@gmail.com wrote
mine won't work but im not swearing


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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[EE]

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 24/02/2016 22:35:


"Link Behaviour" is basically tabs versus windows.  A referrer is
information that a browser sends when following links or picking up
images to the site where the file is being requested, telling it where
the browser came from.  I use RefControl to block third party
referrers, since they are normally not needed, and I do not think one
website needs to know where I came from if I came from a different host.


On our Website, we fill our database with a lot of stupid entries ...
this was caused by spammers who copy a page of one of our form into
their host, modify it then use it a lot.
The "referer" was our solution to stop the fill of our database because
we test: If the referer is not from our site, then discard.
This is a case of one website NEEDS TO KNOW where you came from.


But I could jump into your site from a bookmark, and doing it that way 
does not send any referrer.  I am also not blocking first-party 
referrers.  Doing that can cause problems, and there is not much point 
anyway.


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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

On 25/02/2016 10:37 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 24/02/2016 22:35:


"Link Behaviour" is basically tabs versus windows.  A referrer is
information that a browser sends when following links or picking up
images to the site where the file is being requested, telling it where
the browser came from.  I use RefControl to block third party
referrers, since they are normally not needed, and I do not think one
website needs to know where I came from if I came from a different host.


On our Website, we fill our database with a lot of stupid entries ...
this was caused by spammers who copy a page of one of our form into
their host, modify it then use it a lot.
The "referer" was our solution to stop the fill of our database because
we test: If the referer is not from our site, then discard.
This is a case of one website NEEDS TO KNOW where you came from.


Ray, when you talk about are "referer", are you talking about an Add-On
to SM or is it a totally seperate function??

Like Alexandre, I cannot say I've ever heard of SM having a "referer"
function. If it does have such a function, where do I find it??

The "referer" is a field of information in the browser's request header, 
and is sent when the browser picks up images or follows links.  I 
described above what it is.


There is an extension called Live HTTP Headers which will show you the 
headers that are exchanged between the browser and a web server.


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Re: Editing a html file

[Ed Mullen]

scshot wrote on 2/25/2016 12:44 PM:

I cannot delete multiple columns but can delete multiple rows when a spread 
sheet is within the html file. Is there a fix for this?



I assume you're asking here because you are usiong SeaMonkey Composer to 
edit the file. If so, in the Normal tab click in a cell of the column 
you want to delete. Two indicators appear each with two tiny arrow heads 
with an "x" in between.  Position the cursor so that the "x" turns red. 
 Click and the row/column is deleted.


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Re: Can't create new "saved searches" in Seamonkey Mail

[NFN Smith]

Silently wrote:

Hello *,

I've just migrated from Firefox + Thunderbird to Seamonkey 2.39 (Italian
version) on Win 10 x64 Home and I can't create new "saved searches" in
Seamonkey Mail.


I'm having similar problems, and I posted a question about that last 
week, that hasn't gotten any response.


In my case I did a rebuild of my Seamonkey profile, and have had to redo 
most of my search rules.


Before my rebuild, my saved searches worked fine, although I hadn't 
touched them in some time, and they were built under an early version of 
Seamonkey.  Thus, if it's version-specific, it may be something that 
appeared before 2.39, but I don't know what version.


We can wait a bit, but if there isn't further feedback, it looks like 
something for one of us to file, as a bug report.


Smith

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Editing a html file

[scshot]

I cannot delete multiple columns but can delete multiple rows when a spread 
sheet is within the html file. Is there a fix for this?
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Re: Transfer of cookies

[Ed Mullen]

Gerd Schweizer wrote on 2/25/2016 11:03 AM:

Ed Mullen schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote on 2/25/2016 10:50 AM:

Is there a possibility to transfer actual cookies to a new Notebook?
There are so much "logins" stored ;-(






Thank You, Ed so i got a lot to read ;-)
and i'll have a little exercise for my english ;-)



Happy to help.

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Re: Transfer of cookies

[Gerd Schweizer]

Ed Mullen schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote on 2/25/2016 10:50 AM:

Is there a possibility to transfer actual cookies to a new Notebook?
There are so much "logins" stored ;-(





Thank You, Ed so i got a lot to read ;-)
and i'll have a little exercise for my english ;-)

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Re: Transfer of cookies

[Ed Mullen]

Gerd Schweizer wrote on 2/25/2016 10:50 AM:

Is there a possibility to transfer actual cookies to a new Notebook?
There are so much "logins" stored ;-(




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Transfer of cookies

[Gerd Schweizer]

Is there a possibility to transfer actual cookies to a new Notebook? 
There are so much "logins" stored ;-(

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Re: Terminology? - was [Re: No More Plugins? (plugin != extension)]

[David E. Ross]

On 2/25/2016 2:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 2/24/2016 6:26 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/24/2016 2:04 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2016 7:46 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
 [snip]

 Yes, I know the difference between a plugin and an extension. ...

>>>
>>> But some readers, including myself [even though around since
>>> Netscape 4.x], do not.
>>> Could you point to an official definition of the terms "plugin"
>>> and "extension"?
>>> I for one have never seen the need to enhance in any way a
>>> standard release. I explicitly disable some longtime features
>>> such as cookies, JavaScript, and site specified colors/backgrounds.
>>>
>>
>> Go to .  There are four
>> bullets; the first two are relevant.
>>
> 
> Thank you. When I said "official definition" I should have said 
> something like "How does SeaMonkey (or Mozilla) define the 
> distinction between a 'plugin' and an 'extension' ?"
> 

>From actually using both plugins and extensions, the Wikipedia
description reflects reality.  When I open the Add-ons Manager, the
items under Extensions are indeed as described in the second bulltet on
the Wikipedia page; and the items under Plugins are as described in the
first bullet on that page.

-- 
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive.  See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at .
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Can't create new "saved searches" in Seamonkey Mail

[Silently]

Hello *,

I've just migrated from Firefox + Thunderbird to Seamonkey 2.39 (Italian 
version) on Win 10 x64 Home and I can't create new "saved searches" in 
Seamonkey Mail.


After having searched some mails according to the labels I attached to 
them and tried to save the results in a search folder, I get a dialog 
window in which I should type the search folder name, but there is no 
input box, please see the red arrow in this image:


http://s7.postimg.org/4zcxhabl7/saved_search.jpg

So, I cannot create the new folder, because I cannot name it. :'(

It works in latest stable Thunderbird.

Is it a known bug in Seamonkey? Is there any solution?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[Mason83]

On 23/02/2016 01:17, Alexandre Yudenitsch wrote:
> Could it be some 'leftover' in one of the many SM Profile configuration 
> files (perhaps even "preferences.js")? Maybe some cookies or 
> 'super-cookies' are responsible, and the problem will go away when they 
> expire (this because, even after I totally uninstalled ABP, and rebooted 
> several times, all the ads on the 'problem page' still do not display)? 
> Could this be due to the OS I'm using? Or what?!?

I think about:support lists the non-default config options,
so-called "Important Modified Preferences". Do you see
anything fishy jumping out at you?

There's also "Important Locked Preferences", but my own list
is empty, not sure what this is.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to post a link or two
of sites that don't work for you to have other people test
the problem.

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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[Mason83]

On 24/02/2016 00:11, Alexandre Yudenitsch wrote:

> EE wrote, on 23 Feb 16 15:16:
> 
>> Are you blocking referers?  If a site will not respond to clicks on
>> links, that could be the problem.  If you are using RefControl, you can
>> make exceptions to blocking for particular sites.
> 
> I don't know what you mean: 'Link Behavior' in SM Preferences doesn't 
> say anything about blocking 'referrers', and as far as I know I'm not 
> using "RefControl" (is that an add-on/extension?).

I think EE is referring (see what I did there!) to the
network.http.referer.* and network.http.sendRefererHeader
config settings.

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/01/21/meta-referrer/
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/01/22/improve-online-privacy-by-controlling-referrer-information/
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.sendRefererHeader

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55477
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822869
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer

Regards.

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Re: Terminology? - was [Re: No More Plugins? (plugin != extension)]

[Richard Owlett]

On 2/24/2016 6:26 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/24/2016 2:04 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 2/23/2016 7:46 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

[snip]

Yes, I know the difference between a plugin and an extension. ...



But some readers, including myself [even though around since
Netscape 4.x], do not.
Could you point to an official definition of the terms "plugin"
and "extension"?
I for one have never seen the need to enhance in any way a
standard release. I explicitly disable some longtime features
such as cookies, JavaScript, and site specified colors/backgrounds.



Go to .  There are four
bullets; the first two are relevant.



Thank you. When I said "official definition" I should have said 
something like "How does SeaMonkey (or Mozilla) define the 
distinction between a 'plugin' and an 'extension' ?"


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Re: Problem with ads and javascript

[Daniel]

On 25/02/2016 10:37 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 24/02/2016 22:35:


"Link Behaviour" is basically tabs versus windows.  A referrer is
information that a browser sends when following links or picking up
images to the site where the file is being requested, telling it where
the browser came from.  I use RefControl to block third party
referrers, since they are normally not needed, and I do not think one
website needs to know where I came from if I came from a different host.


On our Website, we fill our database with a lot of stupid entries ...
this was caused by spammers who copy a page of one of our form into
their host, modify it then use it a lot.
The "referer" was our solution to stop the fill of our database because
we test: If the referer is not from our site, then discard.
This is a case of one website NEEDS TO KNOW where you came from.


Ray, when you talk about are "referer", are you talking about an Add-On 
to SM or is it a totally seperate function??


Like Alexandre, I cannot say I've ever heard of SM having a "referer" 
function. If it does have such a function, where do I find it??


--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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