Re: Modifying useragent string

2016-05-06 Thread G. Ross 

G. Ross wrote:

I used to know how to change it, but having a senior moment.

Thanks for all the responses.  I don't remember it as being all that 
difficult in the distant past.  I really don't want to import this and 
that or install more add-ons.  I wouldn't know an .xml file if I met 
one. I'm getting too old to fiddle around for a simple problem.
So I took the easy way out--I used (gasp!) internet exploder and made 
the weather.com site the home page.  It pops right up without waiting 
for all the files to load.  That's all I use it for.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/06/2016 09:42 AM, Isaac Schemm wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun
with my complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I*
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you
see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website
for several browsers!!

You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/ 
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!



In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.

The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on
enabled features. 

Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108,
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.

SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 

Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.



weather.com wasn't happy with Firefox 43 either at the time. I think 
it was ignoring SeaMonkey and just looking at the "Firefox/" part of 
the user agent string.


IIRC, when IE 11 came out, there were problems where it was detected 
as Firefox 11 (old version) because it has "like Gecko" in the UA string.


Because of browser sniffing or feature sniffing?

Did users using a browser below Firefox 43.0 or SeaMonkey 2.40 have the 
site work, or see the update nag.


The new look went live today. Like it, but annoyed I have to click the 
Almanac link to get yesterday's history, when I could just stay on the 
home page before.


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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread Isaac Schemm 

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun
with my complaint:


You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I*
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".

Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you
see one.


I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website
for several browsers!!

You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/ 
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!



In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.

The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on
enabled features. 

Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108,
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.

SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 

Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.



weather.com wasn't happy with Firefox 43 either at the time. I think it 
was ignoring SeaMonkey and just looking at the "Firefox/" part of the 
user agent string.


IIRC, when IE 11 came out, there were problems where it was detected as 
Firefox 11 (old version) because it has "like Gecko" in the UA string.

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Re: SeaMonkey consumes my CPU

2016-05-06 Thread Daniel 

On 6/05/2016 9:11 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-05-06 5:21 AM, gobruins91...@gmail.com wrote:


YES, I AM USING SEAMONKEY 2.43.


The latest release is 2.40. 

I noticed that in the post as well, Chris, and was thinking "Could he be 
using an Alpha or Nightly??" His User Agent of G2/1.0 doesn't help!


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread WaltS48 

On 05/06/2016 01:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 5/05/2016 11:16 PM, dlemir...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm happy to see it fixed.  I'm among the naggers, and had some fun 
with my complaint:



You don't have a relevant issue so I just picked one.

Your obsolete browser message is crappy and infuriating. I'm running 
*Google Chrome* on a *Chromebook*, which is about as modern as you 
can get, and the browser update page you link to tells me that *I* 
need to update my browser. What nonsense. Meanwhile, users of 
Seamonkey, which is a perfectly modern browser, based on the same 
rendering engine as Firefox, get a study and annoying message that 
their browser isn't supported, which far too many users read as "you 
stupid obsolescent geezer, why don't you get with the 21st Century?".


Great public relations there on Weather.com's part.

Seamonkey works fine with Google Apps, which is a very modern heavily 
scripted, fully interactive site, so what's so &$^&*(&)%^ special 
about your "new" Weather.com that you have to make an issue of the 
browser. Maybe *you* need to join the 21st Century and realize that 
the browser wars are supposed to be over. And learn to process User 
Agent strings properly so you can recognize a modern browser when you 
see one.



I'm just glad it's fixed.  I think NetFlix is my next target.


Rather than telling them to sniff for SeaMonkey, why not have them 
sniff for the "gecko" process  that way they'll fix their website 
for several browsers!!


You could do worse than send them to http://geckoisgecko.org/  
might be old, but the relevant information probably still applies!




In every browser I have installed, the UA String starts out with 
Mozilla/5.0. For browser sniffing it seems that would be good enough.


The proper way is to feature sniff, which is what they might have been 
doing, and SeaMonkey didn't cut the mustard on being up to date on 
enabled features. 


Except for IE and Edge, I have Brave 0.9.0, Chromium 49.0.2623.108, 
Firefox(release, beta, nightly), Opera 37.0.2178.32, SeaMonkey 2.46a1 
(nightly), and Vivaldi 1.1.453.52 installed on my system.


SeaMonkey 2.46a1 did not get the nag at weather.com. My test of 2.40 
did. Is it because SeaMonkey 2.46a1 based on Gecko 49 was feature 
enabled for what weather.com was offering. 


Happy camper that SM 2.40 users are now in the happy camper camp.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-06 Thread Desiree 

On 5/3/2016 9:39 AM, Ant wrote:

"Upgrade now!
Don't miss out on a better weather.com.

We no longer support this version of the browser. Please upgrade to
ensure you get the best weather.com experience possible.

  Internet Explorer Icon Firefox Icon Chrome Icon Safari Icon

Have questions? --
http://feedback.weather.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2355405-why-do-i-need-to-update-my-browser?=twc-older-browser-overlay

I'm not interested in upgrading"


Uh huh. SeaMonkey web browsers are based on Firefox's Gecko engines! :(

What an awful site.  It is unusable on Fx 43, Pale Moon 25.8.1 x64, 
SeaMonkey 2.40.  It tries to force a font that tracks you.  I have 
protection in all browsers against crap like that.


I don't get any warning on any browser about using an "outdated" 
browser.  I can see the main page on Fx 43 ONLY.  Other browsers display 
a blank page.  Even on Fx when I try to visit other pages there, or the 
map, I then get blank pages. If I go to the Google site on Fx 43 trying 
to force the spying font I get exactly the same blank page with blank 
rectangular areas on the page.  I use the strictest of the Disconnect 
Block lists that Tracking Protection that I have enabled for the browser 
(not just in Private mode) generally on Fx 43 and Mozilla is blocking 
that tracking font.  That site insists on using its own font because it 
tracks you.  uMatrix blocks that font also and I have it on Pale Moon 
and Fx.  I won't be visiting that site again.

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Re: SeaMonkey consumes my CPU

2016-05-06 Thread Chris Ilias 

On 2016-05-06 5:21 AM, gobruins91...@gmail.com wrote:


YES, I AM USING SEAMONKEY 2.43.


The latest release is 2.40. 

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Re: SeaMonkey consumes my CPU

2016-05-06 Thread gobruins91786 
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:01:16 PM UTC-7, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT), ...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:40:24 AM UTC-7, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote:
> >> On Wed, 4 May 2016 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), ...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >SeaMonkey 2.4 (presumed 32-bit)
> >> >Windows 7 32-bit
> >> >At CMD DOS Box, ver: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
> >> >Shockwave Flash 21.0.0.213 (as read from SeaMonkey Add-ons Manager)
> >> >
> >> >Video card (info via Speccy program):
> >> >ATI AMD Radeon HD 6570
> >> >  ManufacturerATI
> >> >  Model   AMD Radeon HD 6570
> >> >  GPU Turks
> >> >  Device ID   1002-6759
> >> >  Subvendor   Diamond (1092)
> >> >  Current Performance Level   Level 0
> >> >  Voltage 0.900 V
> >> >  Die Size118 mm²
> >> >  Release DateApr 19, 2011
> >> >  DirectX Support 11.0
> >> >  DirectX Shader Model5.0
> >> >  OpenGL Support  4.2
> >> >  GPU Clock   650.0 MHz
> >> >  Temperature 52 °C
> >> >  Core Voltage1.050 V
> >> >  Bios Core Clock 100.00
> >> >  Bios Mem Clock  150.00
> >> >  Driver version  8.950.0.0
> >> >  BIOS Version113-930-930
> >> >  ROPs32
> >> >  Shaders 480 unified
> >> >  Memory Type DDR3
> >> >  Memory  2048 MB
> >> >  Pixel Fillrate  20.8 GPixels/s
> >> >  Bandwidth   21.3 GB/s
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for prompt response.
> >> >
> >> >--SLMorris
> >> 
> >> Since you're on a 32-bit system and some others have explained it's
> >> memory limits, you might be experiencing memory pressure issues.
> >> Meaning, you're hitting a memory ceiling and the system is starved for
> >> resources with your tabs open. These web sites might have intensive
> >> images and other resource gobbling code. If you have anything else
> >> running on your system while Firefox is running, it too will eat up
> >> memory only making the problem worse. Not much you can do.
> >> 
> >> You have a 4GB system with a 2GB video card. That 4GB of system RAM
> >> works out to be about 3.1GB usable to the *whole* system. It's a
> >> 32-bit OS limitation.  That 2GB video card eats up 2GB of RAM
> >> automatically for address space leaving you with 1.1GB of free RAM. If
> >> anything else is using memory, you're going to run out of free RAM
> >> quickly. Thus, experience CPU churn and hard disk swapping virtual
> >> RAM.
> >> 
> >> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]
> >
> >@The Chicago Wolf:
> >
> >If the upper limit on a 32-bit system is 4GB, why are you saying that it's 
> >really 3.1 GB? Do you mean that if I switch out to 64-bit Win7, I will get 
> >the full 4GB?
> 
> It's possible it is reporting usable RAM at 3.5GB as you may not have
> many components in your system occupying address space. I'm not saying
> Speccy is wrong, but in most cases a 32-bit system with 4GB of RAM
> will have 3.1GB usable. With a 64-bit system, usable RAM on a 4GB
> system would be nearly the full 4GB.
> 
> On my lowly Latitude E6500 (released in 2008!) with 4GB RAM:
> 
> Physical Memory
> Memory Usage  65 %
> Total Physical3.93 GB
> Available Physical1.36 GB
> Total Virtual 7.85 GB
> Available Virtual 4.82 GB
> 
> As you can see, I'm seeing 3.93GB of the 4096 that 4GB of RAM totals.
> 
> >Right this second, Speccy (sysinfo untility) reports:
> >
> >Physical Memory
> > Memory Usage53 %
> > Total Physical  3.50 GB
> > Available Physical  1.62 GB
> > Total Virtual   7.00 GB
> > Available Virtual   4.32 GB
> >
> >Take a guess how much I want to:
> >(a) upgrade to 64-bit Windows 7;
> >(b) purchase new hardware.
> >
> >The only reason I upgraded from 64-bit WinXP to 32-bit Win7 is because I got 
> >a 5TB external USB 3.0 hard drive and WinXP-32 and Win XP-64 have a 2TB 
> >partition size limit and cannot see a drive that large (unless it's already 
> >formatted to partitions no larger than 2TB). That and the fact that 
> >Microsoft finally and completely dumped XP support.
> >
> >Whatever computer hardware I buy now can only be cheap used hardware at a 
> >local computer store that specializes in selling used PCs, presumably 
> >obsoleted out by businesses.
> 
> I don't know how new your system is presently, but you ought to be
> able to buy a used Optiplex 960, 980 or 7010 for cheap on eBay with a
> 64-bit version of Win 7. I think you might even be able to grab a
> 64-bit Win 10 install CD from Microsoft and use your 32-bit key. Might
> want to research that option a bit more.
> 
> 
> >Given what you wrote, and the fact that I have no money for new computer 
> >hardware, do you suggest: choosing the most resource-light browser I can 
> >find and then only running that browser on my system with no other programs 
> >running? I know this is a SeaMonkey site, but which browser is the least CPU 
> >& memory intensive?
> >
> >Note that my preferred method of Web-surfing means running 2 or 3 browsers 
> >(SM, FF and Maxthon) simultaneously