Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[»Q«]

In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 7/16/2016 5:54 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > In ,
> > "David E. Ross"  wrote:
> >   
> >> On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:
> >>
> >>[snipped]
> >>  
> >>> The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell
> >>> the receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here."
> >>> AFAIK they don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need
> >>> either an HTML message (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving
> >>> application like SeaMonkey that recognizes URLs and email
> >>> addresses and makes them clickable. And yes, including "http://;
> >>> does help some apps in their recognition process. Similarly, many
> >>> diagnose mail links whenever they see the character "@" --
> >>> this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives this
> >>> message.
> >>
> >> Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This
> >> is so a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a
> >> browser's address area.  
> > 
> > The angle brackets as delimiters for URLs in plain text were
> > recommended in the appendix of RFC 1738 because "it is convenient
> > to have a separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and
> > separates it from the rest of the text" without specifying whether
> > it's convenient only for humans.  
> 
> I prefer using RFC 3986, which updated RFC 1738.  In any case, RFC
> 1738 is marked as obsolete.

For the question of whether the delimiter was intended solely for
humans, not software, I prefer the earlier reference because it's
from when the issue was being tackled in the first place.  In any
case, the one that superseded it is in agreement with it about the
delimiters.

> The overall context of Appendix C of RFC 3986 seems to indicate a
> human use for the brackets.  This is seen in the reference to "on
> printed paper." in the first paragraph of the appendix.

That part is essentially the the same in 1738's appendix;  both are
very clear that they're talking about all plain text, not just
printed on paper.  I see no indication in either appendix that the
delimiters might be intended only for parsing by humans.

3986: "For example, there are many occasions when a URI is included in
plain text; examples include text sent in email, USENET news, and on
printed paper."

1738: "In addition, there are many occasions when URLs are included in
other kinds of text; examples include electronic mail, USENET news
messages, or printed on paper."

> > Whether any software's algorithms make use of the delimiters as
> > they're determining whether there's a URL present, I dunno.

> Yes, however, some software also makes use of the < and >.

For helping to determine whether a URL is present?

[crossposted and followups set to mozilla.general, since this seems to
me to be about trivia rather than SM support.]
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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


I prefer using RFC 3986, which updated RFC 1738.  In any case, RFC 1738
is marked as obsolete.

The overall context of Appendix C of RFC 3986 seems to indicate a human
use for the brackets.  This is seen in the reference to "on printed
paper." in the first paragraph of the appendix.


Quoting RFC 3986:

"Using <> angle brackets around each URI is especially recommended as a 
delimiting style for a reference that contains embedded whitespace."


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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[David E. Ross]

On 7/16/2016 5:54 PM, »Q« wrote:
> In ,
> "David E. Ross"  wrote:
> 
>> On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:
>>
>>  [snipped]
>>
>>> The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell
>>> the receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here."
>>> AFAIK they don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either
>>> an HTML message (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving
>>> application like SeaMonkey that recognizes URLs and email addresses
>>> and makes them clickable. And yes, including "http://; does help
>>> some apps in their recognition process. Similarly, many diagnose
>>> mail links whenever they see the character "@" -- this@that will
>>> probably be clickable when SM receives this message.  
>>
>> Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This is
>> so a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a
>> browser's address area.
> 
> The angle brackets as delimiters for URLs in plain text were recommended
> in the appendix of RFC 1738 because "it is convenient to have a
> separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and separates it from
> the rest of the text" without specifying whether it's convenient only
> for humans.  Whether any software's algorithms make use of the
> delimiters as they're determining whether there's a URL present, I
> dunno.
> 

I prefer using RFC 3986, which updated RFC 1738.  In any case, RFC 1738
is marked as obsolete.

The overall context of Appendix C of RFC 3986 seems to indicate a human
use for the brackets.  This is seen in the reference to "on printed
paper." in the first paragraph of the appendix.

Yes, however, some software also makes use of the < and >.

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:

[snipped]


The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell the
receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here." AFAIK they
don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either an HTML message
(which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving application like SeaMonkey
that recognizes URLs and email addresses and makes them clickable. And
yes, including "http://; does help some apps in their recognition
process. Similarly, many diagnose mail links whenever they see the
character "@" -- this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives
this message.


Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This is so
a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a browser's
address area.


That's a side effect. As you may know, a URL can contain one or more 
characters that some programs will misparse as the end of the URL, such 
as a space or a question mark; conversely, a human may add normal 
punctuation, thus: "did you go to http://this.fictional.url.com?; which 
some programs will try to parse as part of the URL. Smarter humans will 
avoid this, but as you know not all humans are smart.


Another consideration is that the use of angle brackets prevents most 
sending email clients from inserting line wrap characters in the middle 
of URLs. Those line breaks cause the receiving email client to parse 
only the first chunk as the URL and ignore the rest.


BTW, I've noticed that some smartphone messaging apps will see a link 
like  and strip the opening "<" but feed 
the closing ">" (sometimes as "%3E") to the browser, causing an error. 
The receiving user can fix the problem by stripping the last character 
manually, but it's a PITA if they don't know that.



Anyway, the point of plain text is that by definition it doesn't
have hyperlinks. So if you want to guarantee clickability, use
HTML.


That is not necessarily true. About 20 years ago, Eudora Lite
recognized URIs in plain-text messages. On the other hand, AOL's
proprietary E-mail application did not; I do not know if AOL ever
fixed that since I never use AOL.


As noted elsewhere in this thread, that's a function of the /receiving/ 
email client, not of the message content. The sender cannot know if the 
recipient has an email client smart enough to recognize his URL as such. 
But even the stupidest email client, if it's capable of parsing HTML, 
will understand hyperlinks in an HTML message. That's what I meant by 
"guarantee."


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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[»Q«]

In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:
> 
>   [snipped]
> 
> > The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell
> > the receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here."
> > AFAIK they don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either
> > an HTML message (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving
> > application like SeaMonkey that recognizes URLs and email addresses
> > and makes them clickable. And yes, including "http://; does help
> > some apps in their recognition process. Similarly, many diagnose
> > mail links whenever they see the character "@" -- this@that will
> > probably be clickable when SM receives this message.  
> 
> Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This is
> so a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a
> browser's address area.

The angle brackets as delimiters for URLs in plain text were recommended
in the appendix of RFC 1738 because "it is convenient to have a
separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and separates it from
the rest of the text" without specifying whether it's convenient only
for humans.  Whether any software's algorithms make use of the
delimiters as they're determining whether there's a URL present, I
dunno.
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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[David E. Ross]

On 7/16/2016 12:35 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote [in part]:

[snipped]

> The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell the 
> receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here." AFAIK they 
> don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either an HTML message 
> (which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving application like SeaMonkey 
> that recognizes URLs and email addresses and makes them clickable. And 
> yes, including "http://; does help some apps in their recognition 
> process. Similarly, many diagnose mail links whenever they see the 
> character "@" -- this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives 
> this message.

Actually, the use of the < and > as brackets is for humans.  This is so
a human user can tell how much to copy and then paste into a browser's
address area.

The presence of http:// or https:// (or some other indication of an
Iternet protocol such as FTP://) is more important to applications than
the brackets.


> Anyway, the point of plain text is that by definition it doesn't have 
> hyperlinks. So if you want to guarantee clickability, use HTML.

That is not necessarily true.  About 20 years ago, Eudora Lite
recognized URIs in plain-text messages.  On the other hand, AOL's
proprietary E-mail application did not; I do not know if AOL ever fixed
that since I never use AOL.

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be clickable!
Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I enclosed it in
arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work either!

How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion
that it is directly clickable at the other end??

TIA

The way you have it in your message is clickable.  It looks like a link 
and it goes to Yahoo if I click it.  It will not look like a link in the 
compose window.



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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[Arnie Goetchius]

NFN Smith wrote:\
===snipped===

> From my own PrefBar settings, I currently have:
> 
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
> 
> It's a little old, but if spoofing will work at Chase this one should be 
> adequate.
> 

That works for me. Many thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey's Offline Web Application.

[Ant]

On 7/16/2016 11:07 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

Hello.

I just noticed my old SeaMonkey v2.40 (upgraded many times since its
v2.10.1!)'s Offline Web Application shows six "undefined" with 0 bytes
as shown in my
https://s31.postimg.org/criej1wp7/Offline_Web_App_Storage_Undefineds.gif
screen shot/capture. I could not delete them though. How do I clear this
list safely?


I don't have any experience with offline applications, but your screen
shot shows that all entries are zero bytes. If you don't get anything
back from the Clear or Clear Data buttons, I think the issue is
cosmetic, and probably something that you can ignore.


Yeah, clear didn't work. I even tried del key. Where is this stored? 
Maybe a corrupted file somewhere?




Also, how do I clear the stuff in my old C:\Documents and
Settings\Ant\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.sm2.10.1andNewer\storage\
folder/directory? They hog about 150 MB of disk space, and some of them
are very old from 2015. :(


Also without specific knowledge...

I'm guessing that you can probably simply delete. I checked my own setup
(BTW, in Windows, you can get to that data via
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey..., and that construct works in all versions
of Windows), and all the folders in storage are empty.

If you're not sure, try clearing your cache (through Seamonkey UI), or
you can use an external tool such as CCleaner or BleachBit. I have less
experience with BleachBit, but CCleaner is conservative enough that if
it cleans something, it's safe to discard.


Yeah, I cleared SM's caches via/thhough its GUI method but they did not 
go away. I am going to try to delete them in Windows' Explorer after 
quitting SM into the recycle bin to see if it causes any side effects.

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I just wrote:


Similarly, many diagnose mail links whenever they see the character "@"
-- this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives this message.


OK, guess not. Probably requires at least one period. How about 
? Or does it have to be a valid TLD like ?


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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Paul B. Gallagher]

»Q« wrote:


In ,
Daniel  wrote:


I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be
clickable! Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I
enclosed it in arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work
either!

How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion
that it is directly clickable at the other end??


There is no way you can guarantee that the recipient's software will
convert any plain text to a clickable link, but the angle brackets may
help. It may also help to include the protocol, such as http, e.g.
.  In times past, adding "URL:" helped some
software, e.g. .  (I hope I've got that
syntax right -- it's been many years since I had to use it.)


The chief purpose of the angle brackets is delineation -- to tell the 
receiving application "the URL begins here... and ends here." AFAIK they 
don't tell it "this is a URL." For that, you need either an HTML message 
(which supports hyperlinks), or a receiving application like SeaMonkey 
that recognizes URLs and email addresses and makes them clickable. And 
yes, including "http://; does help some apps in their recognition 
process. Similarly, many diagnose mail links whenever they see the 
character "@" -- this@that will probably be clickable when SM receives 
this message.


Anyway, the point of plain text is that by definition it doesn't have 
hyperlinks. So if you want to guarantee clickability, use HTML.


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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[»Q«]

In ,
Daniel  wrote:

> I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be
> clickable! Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I
> enclosed it in arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work
> either!
> 
> How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion 
> that it is directly clickable at the other end??

There is no way you can guarantee that the recipient's software will
convert any plain text to a clickable link, but the angle brackets may
help. It may also help to include the protocol, such as http, e.g.
.  In times past, adding "URL:" helped some
software, e.g. .  (I hope I've got that
syntax right -- it's been many years since I had to use it.)
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Re: SeaMonkey's Offline Web Application.

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:

Hello.

I just noticed my old SeaMonkey v2.40 (upgraded many times since its
v2.10.1!)'s Offline Web Application shows six "undefined" with 0 bytes
as shown in my
https://s31.postimg.org/criej1wp7/Offline_Web_App_Storage_Undefineds.gif
screen shot/capture. I could not delete them though. How do I clear this
list safely?


I don't have any experience with offline applications, but your screen 
shot shows that all entries are zero bytes. If you don't get anything 
back from the Clear or Clear Data buttons, I think the issue is 
cosmetic, and probably something that you can ignore.




Also, how do I clear the stuff in my old C:\Documents and
Settings\Ant\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.sm2.10.1andNewer\storage\
folder/directory? They hog about 150 MB of disk space, and some of them
are very old from 2015. :(


Also without specific knowledge...

I'm guessing that you can probably simply delete. I checked my own setup 
(BTW, in Windows, you can get to that data via 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey..., and that construct works in all versions 
of Windows), and all the folders in storage are empty.


If you're not sure, try clearing your cache (through Seamonkey UI), or 
you can use an external tool such as CCleaner or BleachBit. I have less 
experience with BleachBit, but CCleaner is conservative enough that if 
it cleans something, it's safe to discard.


Smith


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SeaMonkey's Profile Storage and Offline Web Application.

[Ant]

On 7/15/2016 1:55 PM, Ant wrote:

I just noticed my old SeaMonkey v2.40 (upgraded many times since its
v2.10.1!)'s Offline Web Application shows six "undefined" with 0 bytes
as shown in my
https://s31.postimg.org/criej1wp7/Offline_Web_App_Storage_Undefineds.gif
screen shot/capture. I could not delete them though. How do I clear this
list safely?

Also, how do I clear the stuff in my old C:\Documents and
Settings\Ant\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.sm2.10.1andNewer\storage\
folder/directory? They hog about 150 MB of disk space, and some of them
are very old from 2015. :(

Thank you in advance. :)


No one knows, eh? I forgot to mention my profile's storage in the title 
too so I fixed that.

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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[Rick Merrill]

On 7/16/2016 11:37 AM, Rick Merrill wrote:

On 7/15/2016 2:22 PM, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0


Thank you!  It works!



sO I got in and then they asked me to fill out a SURVEY ABOUT THE WEB 
SITE! This is easier than phone contact! Also, the sit had 4 w3c errors:


screen shots (avail for limited time):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u34mwyuqiy35s8e/CHASE1.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3bcqgtvsijq77u/CHASE2.png?dl=0
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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[Rick Merrill]

On 7/15/2016 2:22 PM, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0


Thank you!  It works!

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[WaltS48]

Daniel wrote:

I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be clickable!
Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I enclosed it in
arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work either!

How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion
that it is directly clickable at the other end??

TIA



You can't click this link? .

The recipient has to have their system configured properly. Not your 
problem.

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[David E. Ross]

On 7/16/2016 6:09 AM, Daniel wrote:
> I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be clickable! 
> Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I enclosed it in 
> arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work either!
> 
> How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion 
> that it is directly clickable at the other end??
> 
> TIA
> 

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
Thunderbird 45.2.0

It appeared as a link to me.  I clicked it and got Yahoo news.

However, it would be best to supply the whole URI (aka URL).  In this
case, it would have been .

Also note that the URI is NOT clickable in the sender's composition
window for the message.  As I prepare this reply, neither the link in
your quoted message above nor in my reply are clickable.  They should
both be clickable after I send this reply.

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Re: Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/16/2016 at 9:09 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be clickable!
Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I enclosed it in
arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work either!

How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion
that it is directly clickable at the other end??

TIA



Uh, the link above works for me.

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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[Desiree]

On 7/16/2016 3:31 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 07/16/2016 09:18 AM, Desiree wrote:

On 7/15/2016 4:09 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/15/2016 at 7:26 AM, Desiree's prodigious digits fired off:

On 7/11/2016 10:36 AM, Philip wrote:


So today, after using seamonkey for a years with Chase bank site I
get:

https://www.chase.com/services/browser-upgrade

My choices are:


Internet Explorer > (download the latest version.) (Opens Overlay)

Firefox > (download the latest version) (Opens Overlay)

Chrome > (download the lastest version) (Opens Overlay)

Safari >


I'll complain to, but what a bother


I just got off the phone with Chase websupport.  I filed a formal
complaint but it was like pulling teeth to get the rep to do it.

I get the browser upgrade page on SeaMonkey 2.40 and Pale Moon 25.8.1
(x64).  On Fx 45.2 ESR, I have a cookie problem that doesn't get solved
even when Chase puts cookies on Fx.

I was told that FIREFOX 24 is the requirement and that has NOT been
changed.  I sharply questioned that as Pale Moon is based off Fx 24 and
it worked fine at Chase until now and SeaMonkey 2.40 is based on Fx 43
and it doesn't work now at Chase.  She said that she has been taking a
lot of calls from Fx users who even with CURRENT Fx version cannot
access Chase site.  She said that those users have no problems
accessing
Chase site using Chrome and, thus, that means the problem is a Mozilla
problem not a Chase problem. Chase is blameless and if if I didn't want
to use Chrome then well, I am not required by Chase to access their
website...ever!  So, I should just forget accessing it at all.  Sigh.


You ought to change banks.


I certainly would if Chase was the bank I had my checking account at
but it is not.  I have had a credit card with them since the
mid-90's.  It's actually my best card. FIXED low interest rate (my
other credit cards are variable rate and higher rates) and high credit
limit so I don't want to get rid of it.  I vividly recall when Chase
FINALLY first got on line as they were one of the very last large
banks to get online.  They had a mess from the beginning which, over
the years, improved a lot except for their insisting on only a very
few browsers.  I've had this problem before with them and SeaMonkey.



Snail mail still works for account announcements, bills and payments.

Yes, but mailing checks is very dangerous here as either homes have 
unlocked mail boxes at the curb and mail is frequently stolen or in 
apts/condos with locked mailboxes even in "nice" neighborhoods the boxes 
get broken into.  So, you have to mail the check in town and being in 
Hawaii there is too much uncertainty that it will arrive in time.  I 
keep an old fashioned corded landline to pay credit cards but still 
sometimes I need to access my account at a bank online. Chase has by far 
the best FICO 8 information I have seen from all my cards.  Theirs is 
outstanding.  It's not just your current FICO 8 score or a line or two 
about the score. Chases's analysis goes into a lot of depth...much more 
than other banks do with their cards.  So, I want to be able to access 
my account there monthly (or at least several times a year) for the 
excellent information.


I just got SeaMonkey to work fine there.  I told User Agent Switcher to 
fake as Fx 40 on Windows 10 and pppffft...off flew the problems.   SM 
was already faking as Fx  but I guess not "thoroughly enough" until I 
used UAS which I had sort of forgotten about until it was mentioned in 
one of the threads here on this subject.  I have UAS on Pale Moon also 
so I imagine it will work there too although part of the problem on PM 
and Fx is uMatrix which causes unique problems at Chase (since the new 
website) and only Chase that I was reading about last night.

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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[WaltS48]

On 07/16/2016 09:18 AM, Desiree wrote:

On 7/15/2016 4:09 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/15/2016 at 7:26 AM, Desiree's prodigious digits fired off:

On 7/11/2016 10:36 AM, Philip wrote:


So today, after using seamonkey for a years with Chase bank site I 
get:


https://www.chase.com/services/browser-upgrade

My choices are:


Internet Explorer > (download the latest version.) (Opens Overlay)

Firefox > (download the latest version) (Opens Overlay)

Chrome > (download the lastest version) (Opens Overlay)

Safari >


I'll complain to, but what a bother


I just got off the phone with Chase websupport.  I filed a formal
complaint but it was like pulling teeth to get the rep to do it.

I get the browser upgrade page on SeaMonkey 2.40 and Pale Moon 25.8.1
(x64).  On Fx 45.2 ESR, I have a cookie problem that doesn't get solved
even when Chase puts cookies on Fx.

I was told that FIREFOX 24 is the requirement and that has NOT been
changed.  I sharply questioned that as Pale Moon is based off Fx 24 and
it worked fine at Chase until now and SeaMonkey 2.40 is based on Fx 43
and it doesn't work now at Chase.  She said that she has been taking a
lot of calls from Fx users who even with CURRENT Fx version cannot
access Chase site.  She said that those users have no problems 
accessing

Chase site using Chrome and, thus, that means the problem is a Mozilla
problem not a Chase problem. Chase is blameless and if if I didn't want
to use Chrome then well, I am not required by Chase to access their
website...ever!  So, I should just forget accessing it at all.  Sigh.


You ought to change banks.

I certainly would if Chase was the bank I had my checking account at 
but it is not.  I have had a credit card with them since the 
mid-90's.  It's actually my best card. FIXED low interest rate (my 
other credit cards are variable rate and higher rates) and high credit 
limit so I don't want to get rid of it.  I vividly recall when Chase 
FINALLY first got on line as they were one of the very last large 
banks to get online.  They had a mess from the beginning which, over 
the years, improved a lot except for their insisting on only a very 
few browsers.  I've had this problem before with them and SeaMonkey.



Snail mail still works for account announcements, bills and payments.

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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[Desiree]

On 7/15/2016 4:09 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/15/2016 at 7:26 AM, Desiree's prodigious digits fired off:

On 7/11/2016 10:36 AM, Philip wrote:


So today, after using seamonkey for a years with Chase bank site I get:

https://www.chase.com/services/browser-upgrade

My choices are:


Internet Explorer > (download the latest version.) (Opens Overlay)

Firefox > (download the latest version) (Opens Overlay)

Chrome > (download the lastest version) (Opens Overlay)

Safari >


I'll complain to, but what a bother


I just got off the phone with Chase websupport.  I filed a formal
complaint but it was like pulling teeth to get the rep to do it.

I get the browser upgrade page on SeaMonkey 2.40 and Pale Moon 25.8.1
(x64).  On Fx 45.2 ESR, I have a cookie problem that doesn't get solved
even when Chase puts cookies on Fx.

I was told that FIREFOX 24 is the requirement and that has NOT been
changed.  I sharply questioned that as Pale Moon is based off Fx 24 and
it worked fine at Chase until now and SeaMonkey 2.40 is based on Fx 43
and it doesn't work now at Chase.  She said that she has been taking a
lot of calls from Fx users who even with CURRENT Fx version cannot
access Chase site.  She said that those users have no problems accessing
Chase site using Chrome and, thus, that means the problem is a Mozilla
problem not a Chase problem. Chase is blameless and if if I didn't want
to use Chrome then well, I am not required by Chase to access their
website...ever!  So, I should just forget accessing it at all.  Sigh.


You ought to change banks.

I certainly would if Chase was the bank I had my checking account at but 
it is not.  I have had a credit card with them since the mid-90's.  It's 
actually my best card. FIXED low interest rate (my other credit cards 
are variable rate and higher rates) and high credit limit so I don't 
want to get rid of it.  I vividly recall when Chase FINALLY first got on 
line as they were one of the very last large banks to get online.  They 
had a mess from the beginning which, over the years, improved a lot 
except for their insisting on only a very few browsers.  I've had this 
problem before with them and SeaMonkey.

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Sending a clickable link in a Plain Text e-Mail

[Daniel]

I've thought I can send a link in a PT e-mail and it would be clickable! 
Tonight I found it isn't, so I thought it would work if I enclosed it in 
arrowheads , i.e.  but that didn't work either!


How can I send/format a web address in a PT e-mail in such a fashion 
that it is directly clickable at the other end??


TIA

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Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Chase bank site is excluding Seamonkey

[chokito]

Test with User Agent from Microsoft Internet Explorer 11:

general.useragent.override.chase.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Trident/7.0; 
rv:11.0) like Gecko

general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true
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Re: Chase Bank doesn't like SeaMonkey

[chokito]

Test with User Agent from Microsoft Internet Explorer 11:

general.useragent.override.chase.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Trident/7.0; 
rv:11.0) like Gecko

general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true
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