Re: BCC broken?

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 6:05 PM, sean wrote:

source on my original copy of the message in question confirms that I
did set my message as BCC: to everyone

while source of my recieved messages displays everyone received my
message as TO:



What SMTP server are you using?

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eliminate menu headings

[Roger Fink]

Are there any entries for userChrome.css will that eliminate a 
particular menu heading (such as "Go" and "Window")?

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Re: themes and invisible fonts...

[Paul B. Gallagher]

sean wrote:

EE wrote on 09/29/2016 12:41 PM:

sean wrote:

while sending e'mail of late... I've noticed the fonts are invisible in
the e'mail address pane unless i highlight them... this started in the
basic default theme... i flipped thru a few themes yesterday and haven't
yet found one where i can see the text in that pane...

anyone else stumbling across this?


I have had to tweak colours in at least one theme to read some text in
textboxes.



if the font problem were more widespread, i'd consider that, but it was
only a problem inside the address pane window...


Could someone have specified font color = white (or whatever color the 
background is) by mistake?


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Re: BCC broken?

[Richard Alan]

sean wrote:

> Richard Alan wrote on 10/02/2016 02:08 PM:
>> sean wrote:
>>>   > Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.
>>>
>>> right clicking gives me no source, nor does source appear in my
>>> headers,
>>> but I'll copy that here in case I'm missing something...
>>
>> You press Control+U while viewing the message to see the source.
>>
>> Do that with both the original sent message, and with one of the
>> received messages. Report back how each shows the addressees.
>
> source on my original copy of the message in question confirms that I
> did set my message as BCC: to everyone
> 
> while source of my recieved messages displays everyone received my
> message as TO:

Well, the only thing in between those two is your ISP.
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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

David E. Ross wrote on 10/02/2016 01:04 PM:

On 9/30/2016 4:52 PM, sean wrote:

i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but
lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are
visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...

any body else ?!?



I just now tried a test with Thunderbird, which shares much of its code
with SeaMonkey's Mail-News component.  I sent a test message back to
myself -- my sending address also as the To: address.  I also put my
wife's address and some alternative addresses I use in the Bcc: area.
Each Bcc: address was a separate line.

All of the Bcc: addresses appear in the as-sent message, both the
Thunderbird display and the source.  None of the Bcc: addresses appear
in the as-received messages in the Thunderbird display.  The source of
each as-received message, however, shows the address of the specific
recipient but not the other Bcc: addresses.

All this was done with the following extensions enabled:
Add-ons Manager Version Number  1.3.1
CompactHeader   2.1.0
Mail Redirect   0.8.7
NoGlass theme   0.11
PopMailListRecipients   0.3.2
Reply to All as CC  1.4
Rise of the Tools   1.1.0.0
Send Later Button   1.1
Signature Switch1.6.14
Smiley Fixer1.4.3
Theme Font & Size Changer   49.2
Toggle Word Wrap1.10
Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1-signed
Your own testing indicates the possibility that an extension is causing
the problem.  You should be safe in excluding these from causing your
problem unless you do not have the current versions of these.



the only addon/extension I've kept related to the mail/news client along 
the way is Lightning... with some dabbling in themes...


I also currently have:
Adblock Plus
Chazilla (which i never use, thus removing with this restart)
Customizations of Adblock plus
Dom Inspector (which is a mystery to me, but i have always left it alone)
& F.B. Purity

installed in the "corrupted profile"

Am remembering now that I uninstalled Tagzilla because it and Lightning 
were not getting along... Lightning Calendar is super super important... 
but it has been buggy in the past...


So I'll be paying attention as i install new addons in the new profile...

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Re: themes and invisible fonts...

[sean]

EE wrote on 09/29/2016 12:41 PM:

sean wrote:

while sending e'mail of late... I've noticed the fonts are invisible in
the e'mail address pane unless i highlight them... this started in the
basic default theme... i flipped thru a few themes yesterday and haven't
yet found one where i can see the text in that pane...

anyone else stumbling across this?


I have had to tweak colours in at least one theme to read some text in
textboxes.



if the font problem were more widespread, i'd consider that, but it was 
only a problem inside the address pane window...


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Re: New Complete Themes for SeaMonkey

[sean]

WaltS48 wrote on 06/19/2014 06:31 AM:

[Metal Lion Sea Monkey & Silver Sea Monkey • mozillaZine
Forums](http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=13627241=fa812c7ba3c3d7b6888f86b312479715#p13627241)


Screenshots in the forum post.




okay, deleted my newsgroup data in order to reload all messages and 
search for the themes which were installed when my BCC: to TO: problems 
began...


here they are above...
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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

Richard Alan wrote on 10/02/2016 02:08 PM:

sean wrote:


  > Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

right clicking gives me no source, nor does source appear in my headers,
but I'll copy that here in case I'm missing something...


You press Control+U while viewing the message to see the source.

Do that with both the original sent message, and with one of the received
messages. Report back how each shows the addressees.



source on my original copy of the message in question confirms that I 
did set my message as BCC: to everyone


while source of my recieved messages displays everyone received my 
message as TO:



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Re: BCC broken?

[Richard Alan]

sean wrote:

>  > Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.
> 
> right clicking gives me no source, nor does source appear in my headers,
> but I'll copy that here in case I'm missing something...

You press Control+U while viewing the message to see the source.

Do that with both the original sent message, and with one of the received 
messages. Report back how each shows the addressees.
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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

David E. Ross wrote on 10/02/2016 12:51 PM:

On 10/2/2016 12:45 PM, sean wrote:

Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 04:02 PM:

sean wrote:


Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:

sean wrote:

i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail
addresses switched from BCC: to TO:


Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are
"TO:"
and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
recipients how *they* see it.


they see it as a long list of TO:
while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:


Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

How are you separating the addresses in your Compose window? Manually on
one line, or separate clicks from an Address Book?


FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...


Oh. Well then, which addon is causing it?  :-)   Might be your address
book.


having trouble locating it, it was under discussion recently by David
Ross because he didn't like the rounded apple-esque scroll bars, nor the
fact that the themes had a separate download for those scroll bars...
metal in the name, a dark and light version... not turning up in my
search of the theme addons...

guessing David didn't receive my BCC: from this thread as they'd be
screen out as spam...


I have to assume you mean a different David Ross since I do not recall
ever commenting about scroll bars.



ah well... it was not too long ago... and the topic of discussion by 
another long term seamonkey newsgroup member... anothr david perhaps...


either way, I'm satisfied that the corruption is in this now very old 
profile...


although the mention of addressbook corruption gives me pause, as i have 
not yet imported the addressbook into the newly created profile yet...


nor imported my backup into lightning...

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2016-10-02 2:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated,


I've found that support threads can often get messy when others try to
speak on behalf of the original poster. If he has any follow-up to my
reply, I'm sure he'll post it himself. :)


I was quoting myself.

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Re: BCC broken?

[David E. Ross]

On 9/30/2016 4:52 PM, sean wrote:
> i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but 
> lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are 
> visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...
> 
> any body else ?!?
> 

I just now tried a test with Thunderbird, which shares much of its code
with SeaMonkey's Mail-News component.  I sent a test message back to
myself -- my sending address also as the To: address.  I also put my
wife's address and some alternative addresses I use in the Bcc: area.
Each Bcc: address was a separate line.

All of the Bcc: addresses appear in the as-sent message, both the
Thunderbird display and the source.  None of the Bcc: addresses appear
in the as-received messages in the Thunderbird display.  The source of
each as-received message, however, shows the address of the specific
recipient but not the other Bcc: addresses.

All this was done with the following extensions enabled:
Add-ons Manager Version Number  1.3.1
CompactHeader   2.1.0
Mail Redirect   0.8.7
NoGlass theme   0.11
PopMailListRecipients   0.3.2
Reply to All as CC  1.4
Rise of the Tools   1.1.0.0
Send Later Button   1.1
Signature Switch1.6.14
Smiley Fixer1.4.3
Theme Font & Size Changer   49.2
Toggle Word Wrap1.10
Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1-signed
Your own testing indicates the possibility that an extension is causing
the problem.  You should be safe in excluding these from causing your
problem unless you do not have the current versions of these.

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Re: BCC broken?

[David E. Ross]

On 10/2/2016 12:45 PM, sean wrote:
> Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 04:02 PM:
>> sean wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:
 sean wrote:
> i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
> others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail
> addresses switched from BCC: to TO:

 Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are
 "TO:"
 and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
 recipients how *they* see it.
>>>
>>> they see it as a long list of TO:
>>> while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:
>>
>> Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.
>>
>> How are you separating the addresses in your Compose window? Manually on
>> one line, or separate clicks from an Address Book?
>>
>>> FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...
>>
>> Oh. Well then, which addon is causing it?  :-)   Might be your address
>> book.
> 
> having trouble locating it, it was under discussion recently by David 
> Ross because he didn't like the rounded apple-esque scroll bars, nor the 
> fact that the themes had a separate download for those scroll bars... 
> metal in the name, a dark and light version... not turning up in my 
> search of the theme addons...
> 
> guessing David didn't receive my BCC: from this thread as they'd be 
> screen out as spam...

I have to assume you mean a different David Ross since I do not recall
ever commenting about scroll bars.

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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 04:02 PM:

sean wrote:


Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:

sean wrote:

i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail
addresses switched from BCC: to TO:


Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are
"TO:"
and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
recipients how *they* see it.


they see it as a long list of TO:
while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:


Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

How are you separating the addresses in your Compose window? Manually on
one line, or separate clicks from an Address Book?


FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...


Oh. Well then, which addon is causing it?  :-)   Might be your address
book.


having trouble locating it, it was under discussion recently by David 
Ross because he didn't like the rounded apple-esque scroll bars, nor the 
fact that the themes had a separate download for those scroll bars... 
metal in the name, a dark and light version... not turning up in my 
search of the theme addons...


guessing David didn't receive my BCC: from this thread as they'd be 
screen out as spam...




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Re: BCC broken?

[sean]

Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 04:02 PM:

sean wrote:


Richard Alan wrote on 10/01/2016 02:02 PM:

sean wrote:

i just sent out an apology e'mail addressed BCC to myself and two
others... it apprived in my inbox with all three BCCed e'mail
addresses switched from BCC: to TO:


Read the source header of the received message to confirm they are
"TO:"
and it is not the fault of your theme. Also, specifically ask your
recipients how *they* see it.


they see it as a long list of TO:
while the e'mail i sent out has a long list of BCC:


Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

How are you separating the addresses in your Compose window? Manually on
one line, or separate clicks from an Address Book?


FWIW, this does not happen in the new profile with no addons...


Oh. Well then, which addon is causing it?  :-)   Might be your address
book.



I just sent the message in question back to a few of my active e'mail 
accounts... in all cases, I set them as BCC: but they arrived as TO:


in the original e'mail, I selected all the addressees by clicking inside 
the addressbook, so I duplicated that with the latest message...


pardon me, but I've forgotten what this means?

> Again, how about you in your received copy's _source_.

right clicking gives me no source, nor does source appear in my headers, 
but I'll copy that here in case I'm missing something...






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and there in that last line again, they've been flipped from BCC: to TO:

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 2:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated,


I've found that support threads can often get messy when others try to 
speak on behalf of the original poster. If he has any follow-up to my 
reply, I'm sure he'll post it himself. :)


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins,
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)

The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have
already installed.

Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.


As noted upthread, when a plugin is outdated, Tools | Add-ons Manager | 
Plugins will have a link to "Update now," which unfortunately doesn't 
take the user to the publisher's update page, but to an explanation of 
the reason for the block. This should be fixed.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 01/10/2016 23:48:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be
offering an
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.

I go to Tools - Add-ons Manager - Plugins -
Show me for Shockwave Flash - a line with
- a red text: Shockwave flash is known to be vulnerable and should be
udated
- a link labelled "Update now".

This link Is WHAT SM OFFER ME .
If I click on it SM brings me to that page:
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1274

INSTEAD OF "Update" the plugin to have a non-blocked one.


OK, you're right that following the "Update now" link from Tools | 
Add-ons Manager | Plugins does misdirect you to the explanation of the 
reason for the block. That's not what we were discussing, but yes, it is 
a problem and I agree it should be fixed.



https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/

Where You see the bad version with the button "UPDATE NOW"

Who brings me to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Where I see Version 23.0.0.162


Yes, this is what we were discussing; thanks for confirming that it 
works correctly.


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Re: SM profile location under Windows 10

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 1:46 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

The SeaMonkey profile is for my windows7 pc at:
C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\
where I can see:
- The "profile.ini" file
- The "Crash Reports" directory
- The "Profiles" directory
-- under the "profiles" directory I can see:
  - The "ey8r9gln.default" directory who contains all the profile.

Is it the same location under WINDOWS 10 ?


Yes. :)

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 01/10/2016 23:48:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 01/10/2016 21:25:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

It's blocked because that version is out of date.  Current version is
23.0.0.162.


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be 
offering an

out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


What Mozilla plugin site are you referring to?


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable


That's what you have now, not what they're offering.

I go to Tools - Add-ons Manager - Plugins -
Show me for Shockwave Flash - a line with
- a red text: Shockwave flash is known to be vulnerable and should be udated
- a link labelled "Update now".

This link Is WHAT SM OFFER ME .
If I click on it SM brings me to that page:
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1274

INSTEAD OF "Update" the plugin to have a non-blocked one.

On that page, I read:
All users are strongly recommended to check for updates on our plugin 
check page.

"plugin check page" is a link to:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/

Where You see the bad version with the button "UPDATE NOW"

Who brings me to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Where I see Version 23.0.0.162

OK 

Now I will be able to update my plugin 

But what a hassle 

It would be more simple if the first link "Update now" in the Shockwave 
Flash line of the plugin part of add-ons manager
point directl to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ instead of the 3 
more steps to reach this page.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for
everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.


You are right about the file size, I'm not sure how you got it from their site. 
When I try
it, I just get the installer stub. Can you give an exact URL where you obtain 
the 19,672kb
file.


https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/download/?installer=FP_23_for_Firefox_-_NPAPI=1

It is the complete FP23x.  It is not a 1k stub.  I moved it to another
computer and installed it with network disconnected.
Perhaps it is regional and you and Desiree are not allowed to download it.
I don't know.  It has always worked for me. Since this is a SM group I
assumed that you were trying to install the NPAPI version and not the MSI 
version.
If you are trying to install in IE then you will need the MSI version.

btw, I reverted to FP 18.0.0.375 stable version since v23 would not run
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=hgx=N0R=yes

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SM profile location under Windows 10

[Ray_Net]

The SeaMonkey profile is for my windows7 pc at:
C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\
where I can see:
- The "profile.ini" file
- The "Crash Reports" directory
- The "Profiles" directory
-- under the "profiles" directory I can see:
  - The "ey8r9gln.default" directory who contains all the profile.

Is it the same location under WINDOWS 10 ?
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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/2/2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

On 2/10/2016 12:53 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/1/2016 at 6:07 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

On 1/10/2016 12:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would
have
to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.

I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption
that you won't need it.


Chris, if you were to go to a site which "required" Java to function the
way the developers wanted it to work, would you likely get some message
asking you to turn on ("Click Here") Java for "best User interaction"??

Or would you just get a basically blank/black page??



Depends on what the page/app is and how it's built.

Set the Java plugin to "ask to activate" and go here to see what happens:




On my Win7 installation.

No problems (well, almost!!). Ed.

I went into Edit->Tools->Add-ons Manager and changed Java 8U101 from
"Always Activate" to "Ask to Activate". Re-booted SM just in case,
clicked on your link, Ed, and went straight there.

Was it supposed to ask me??

(The "well, almost" I included up above was because, when I first went
to the Add-ons Manager, Java was listed towards the top of that screen,
whereas when I returned to check, Java was listed towards the bottom of
that screen, in amongst those Add-ons which don't work or which SM
thinks I should update!)



With Java disabled you shoud get this:



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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-10-02 6:53 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

On 2016-10-01 3:20 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:


I understand that, but why would the Mozilla plugin site be offering an 
out-of-date plugin, and then saying it's blocked?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey,
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/

Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


Okay, I just wanted to clarify, because Mozilla doesn't offer plugins, 
and doesn't have a plugins site. :)


The page at Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Plugins lists the plugins you have 
already installed.


Plugins are offered by third-parties, and are not installed by SeaMonkey.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Gerry Hickman wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's
saying "this is what you have."


But it also has an "Update Now" button, and that's the part that doesn't
work. It's supposed to take you to the latest version of the plugin so
that you can install it (inside SM). This is more important, for
example, if you have SM users who don't have admin rights.


It's always worked for me in the past. I can't test at the moment 
because I'm not outdated.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/2/2016 4:08 AM, Desiree wrote:

fpdownload.macromedia.co ··· ayer.exe


Sorry.  I see that links to the regular flash player stub download.  I 
don't know how to copy the link I have to paste here correctly.  What I 
have is a live, direct link to the full download.  it is just another 
way to get the full download from Flash Player troubleshooting site that 
I posted here earlier.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 9:17 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


The other way to get it as a full download to disk to install offline if 
you wish is a direct link.


fpdownload.macromedia.co ··· ayer.exe
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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 11:33 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that
page, where you can choose a different operating system, and download an
EXE, but isn't that just a download manager in disguise, or are you
saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it extract the MSI to a
temp location first?


A possible solution to this on Windows (outside of SM) is to visit
http://www.adobe.com/licensing/distribution/strategies/sms.html
click the download link (of interest) ending in "SCUP.cab"
You should now be able to extract the XML file from the CAB file using 7-Zip
Inside the XML file are the links to the MSI files, see the "OriginUri"
attributes.

There is only one way to download the full exe since the distribution 
page is now blocked for most.


https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/installation-problems-flash-player-windows.html

Look under the section "Still Having Problems?"   There you can download 
the full, off line installer to disk.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Desiree]

On 10/1/2016 11:25 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

I go to the Adobe download page, click download, save to hdd, and
install from there.
It works great and I have a copy that I can send to the other computers
via the LAN.



I use my firewall to block flash from phoning home. There is no online
install process. It's quick and easy.
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/


That URL is the usual "Install Now" option. There is a link on that page, where 
you can
choose a different operating system, and download an EXE, but isn't that just a 
download
manager in disguise, or are you saying the EXE is an offline installer? Does it 
extract
the MSI to a temp location first?


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.

No, that download is a 1.1MB STUB.  Plus, it is NOT downloading to disk 
but just installing the new version.

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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's
saying "this is what you have."


But it also has an "Update Now" button, and that's the part that doesn't 
work. It's supposed to take you to the latest version of the plugin so 
that you can install it (inside SM). This is more important, for 
example, if you have SM users who don't have admin rights.


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Gerry Hickman wrote:


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools :
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within
SeaMonkey, it offers ...


No, as previously noted, it's not "offering," it's "detecting." It's 
saying "this is what you have."



an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked".


Yes. What you have is outdated and vulnerable so it's blocked.


I think it's pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/


If you click the link at the top, "Check to see if your plugins are up 
to date," you'll be taken to 
. Below "Common plugins you 
should check often," you'll see "Adobe Flash Player" listed with your 
current version and a diagnosis (mine says "up to date," but yours will 
probably say "outdated"). You'll also see, below that, "All plugins" -- 
click that to diagnose all your plugins.


At any rate, if your version of Flash is outdated, you'll see a big 
orange button, "Update now." That will take you to the Adobe page where 
you can download and/or install the latest version. My personal 
preference is to save the installer, close SM, and then run it from my 
download directory; YMMV. By the same token, my personal preference is 
to reject the bundled software (McAfee, Chrome, whatever); YMMV. When 
you're done, Adobe will launch SM and send you to a thank-you page. You 
should re-run the detection routine (CTRL-SHIFT-A) to confirm that you 
now have the latest version -- if all is well, it will now say "up to 
date" and "Always activate."


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Chris Ilias wrote:


Per exemple https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
Where we can see:

Adobe Flash Player
Shockwave Flash 22.0 r0

v. 22.0.0.209 vulnerable

with an "UPDATE NOW" button to install this vulnerable version


Gerry Hickman, is the above link what you were referring to?


Chris, as explained in my original post, I'm talking about "Tools : 
Add-ons Manager : Plugins". When I try to update from within SeaMonkey, 
it offers an out-of-date version and says it's "blocked". I think it's 
pointing to the site https://addons.mozilla.org/


Here's another example of a blocked message
https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p1246


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Re: Adobe Flash Plugin Update

[Gerry Hickman]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


My SM gives me the option to run or save.
I normally choose save then use the firewall to block internet access
(or pull the plug) then run from hdd.  Not just for Flash but for
everything.
19,672 kb is more then an installer stub, it's the whole thing.


You are right about the file size, I'm not sure how you got it from 
their site. When I try it, I just get the installer stub. Can you give 
an exact URL where you obtain the 19,672kb file.



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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 2/10/2016 12:53 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/1/2016 at 6:07 AM, Daniel's prodigious digits fired off:

On 1/10/2016 12:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would have
to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.

I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption
that you won't need it.


Chris, if you were to go to a site which "required" Java to function the
way the developers wanted it to work, would you likely get some message
asking you to turn on ("Click Here") Java for "best User interaction"??

Or would you just get a basically blank/black page??



Depends on what the page/app is and how it's built.

Set the Java plugin to "ask to activate" and go here to see what happens:




On my Win7 installation.

No problems (well, almost!!). Ed.

I went into Edit->Tools->Add-ons Manager and changed Java 8U101 from 
"Always Activate" to "Ask to Activate". Re-booted SM just in case, 
clicked on your link, Ed, and went straight there.


Was it supposed to ask me??

(The "well, almost" I included up above was because, when I first went 
to the Add-ons Manager, Java was listed towards the top of that screen, 
whereas when I returned to check, Java was listed towards the bottom of 
that screen, in amongst those Add-ons which don't work or which SM 
thinks I should update!)


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 2/10/2016 1:44 AM, Richard Alan wrote:

Daniel wrote:


On 1/10/2016 9:52 PM, Richard Alan wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Hmm!! When re-reading my post, I noticed your link had an "8" in it,
so thinking that may have caused the problem, I copied your address
into a tab of my browser, edited out the "8", hit return . and got
the same error message!! ;-(


You should have removed the errant / (slash) at the end of the above
link.

http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp  or for English
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp


And that language would be ..?? Seeing a word which almost
looks like "Amsterdam", I'm guessing Dutch!!


Deutsch (German). The "de" in the link is a good clue.


I'll pay that. I was basing my guess on "Außerdem" sort of looking like 
"Amsterdam"!! :-)


(Hmm!! YL,YL. I run spell checker as I'm sending an e-mail, and this 
time SM wanted to "correct" "Außerdem" and I clicked OK without looking, 
so it was "corrected" into "Legerdemian"! So, just on spec, I stopped 
the spell check and went to Edit->Undo ... and had my "Außerdem" back!!! 
Yah!!)

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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