Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/12/17 at 8:43 PM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:
On 7/12/17 at 2:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/11/17 at 6:49 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:


All of those links open so fast I can't count.

But, then again:




How'd you do that? Xfinity absolutely refuses to cooperate with me --
won't show your results, won't run tests -- because I'm not using one
of their approved browsers.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46



Not sure why.  I have never had trouble with Comcast/Xfinity using SM.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51


I guess they must be sniffing for a higher version than mine.

This is like going to a nightclub where the bouncer will only let the 
kewl kids in. But WTF do they care what I'm running?




Clueless site designers.

There are standards and those designers are clueless about them.





The first thing to do is create a bookmark

Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/12/17 at 2:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/11/17 at 6:49 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:


All of those links open so fast I can't count.

But, then again:




How'd you do that? Xfinity absolutely refuses to cooperate with me --
won't show your results, won't run tests -- because I'm not using one
of their approved browsers.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46



Not sure why.  I have never had trouble with Comcast/Xfinity using SM.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51


I guess they must be sniffing for a higher version than mine.

This is like going to a nightclub where the bouncer will only let the 
kewl kids in. But WTF do they care what I'm running?




Clueless site designers.

There are standards and those designers are clueless about them.



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Re: SeaMonkey wants access to the contact list

[EE]

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/12/17 at 2:00 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/11/17 at 2:13 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/10/17 at 2:37 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:
Why does SeaMonkey keep asking to access my contact list?  I had 
to use Thunderbird for email, since SeaMonkey would not set up 
IMAP email correctly.  Whether I give it permission or not, it 
still keeps asking every few hours.  If I do not use email, why 
would it need to use the contact list?


What contact list? Are you sure this is from SeaMonkey?

I see that request only when SeaMonkey is running, and it says that 
SeaMonkey wants to access the contact list.  I presume it means the 
Mac Address Book, since that is the contact list I use for email.


Not a Mac person but why don't you just okay the permission?

It makes no difference whether I allow it or not.  The next time I 
launch SeaMonkey it will ask again.




Go into SM preferences for Mail & Newsgroups.  Look for "use Mac OS X 
Address Book" and uncheck it.  This is not exactly your issue but:





That address book is the one I want to use, if any.  I toggled 
"mail.server.default.using_subscription" to false, and so far after 
restarting have not been bothered.  I guess time will tell if that is 
the solution or not.


That did not work, so maybe unchecking that in "Do not mark mail as junk 
if the sender is in..." is the answer.  Why SeaMonkey would bother with 
that if it is not receiving any mail is beyond me.


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Re: Is there a way to prevent certain sites from hogging system memory?

[NFN Smith]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
I'm running SM 2.46 under Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. I also have Firefox 
54.0 and MS Edge. I much prefer SM over the other browsers.


When bad weather is in the area, I leave SM running with two tabs open. 
The first is our local weather radar at radar.weather.gov and the other 
is the hourly forecast at weather.com


Within minutes, both SM and FF are using over 500MB of memory. After a 
couple of hours, SM is using over 3GB! (I have 16GB installed on the 
system, and I haven't left FF running this long to see how much memory 
it would eventually use.) With this much memory usage, SM frequently 
becomes unresponsive for minutes at a time and sometimes totally crashes.


Under the same conditions, MS Edge is only using about 23MB of memory!
Is there a solution to this issue for SM? Thanks!


Sounds like something relating to a script isn going awry. As David Ross 
has noted, turning off JavaScript would probably get you around the 
problem, although doing it at browser level would disrupt other sites 
that use scripting.


A couple of other things that you could try:

- See what happens when you launch Seamonkey in Safe Mode (Help -> 
Restart with add-ons disabled). Sometimes the source of scripting errors 
is related to stuff in your user profile, and I've seen a one-time 
restart in Safe Mode can occasionally clear things there.


- You might also take a look at the NoScript extension, where you start 
off by disabling all scripting hosts, and then enabling one at a time. 
That can help you find which scripting host is causing problems, and you 
may be able to isolate the problem script (or at least the host that 
delivers it).


For weather.com, they use a lot of animation, and it's likely the 
scripts that support that, that are having problems.


Smith

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Re: plugin-container.exe ?

[Mason83]

On 12/07/2017 18:37, Ken Rudolph wrote:
> I'm running SM 2.49.1 under Win-10.  Lately I've been getting a Norton 
> warning that something called plugin-container.exe has no valid digital 
> signature.  It's happened several times, now, and I'm wondering if I 
> should be concerned or if I should tell Norton to bug off.
> 
> Incidentally, I went to the "unsupported" 2.49.1 because I was getting 
> frequent crashed with 2.46.  It's been well over a week now with 2.49.1 
> and not a single crash since then.

The 64-bit version of plugin-container.exe
has MD5: 33d3c39d859b84772dfc17c2d27f5705

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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 7/12/2017 11:16 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 7/11/17 at 11:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired
>> off with great aplomb:
>>> Hank wrote:
>>>
 I use http://speedtest.xfinity.com/ and it works. If I add www.
 before speedtest it is blocked.
>>>
>>> I see that your user agent does not contain a reference to
>>> SeaMonkey:
>>>
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0)
>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0
>>>
>>> Anyone here not using or spoofing Firefox able to get through, or
>>> is that the key?
>>>
>>
>> I did have "advertise FF" turned on. I turned it off and still have
>> no trouble with Xfinity.
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101
>> SeaMonkey/2.51
> 
> With SeaMonkey 2.46, I get an error with "Advertise Firefox 
> compatibility" on (which adds "Firefox/49.0" to the UA string). With 
> "Advertise Firefox compatibility" off (so it just reports SeaMonkey) 
> Ed's results are displayed.
> 
> You have a newer version of SeaMonkey, which will include a newer 
> version of Firefox in the UA string with "Advertise Firefox" enabled. 
> I'd guess that, with "Advertise Firefox" on, speedtest.xfinity.com finds 
> the Firefox part of the string and uses that to check if it's a recent 
> version, while without it either goes by the SeaMonkey version or (if it 
> doesn't recognise SeaMonkey at all) falls back to allowing the page to 
> be shown.
> 
> There do seem to be a number of sites turning up lately which work with 
> SeaMonkey WITHOUT "Advertise Firefox compatibility", but not WITH it...!
> 

With "Advertise Firefox compatibility", the user agent (UA) string is
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
Some Web sites reject my browser with that, not because of the
"Firefox/49.0 but because of the "SeaMonkey/2.46".

I generally run with "Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled.  If
that causes a problem, I use PrefBar's "User Agent" to have the UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.46, NOT Firefox/49.0

If that does not work, I user PrefBar to get
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:53.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/53.0

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Re: Is there a way to prevent certain sites from hogging system memory?

[David E. Ross]

On 7/12/2017 1:24 PM, Richmond wrote:
> no...@nonospam.org writes:
> 
>> I'm running SM 2.46 under Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. I also have Firefox 54.0 and
>> MS Edge. I much prefer SM over the other browsers.
>>
>> When bad weather is in the area, I leave SM running with two tabs open. The
>> first is our local weather radar at radar.weather.gov and the other is the
>> hourly forecast at weather.com
>>
>> Within minutes, both SM and FF are using over 500MB of memory. After a couple
>> of hours, SM is using over 3GB! (I have 16GB installed on the system, and I
>> haven't left FF running this long to see how much memory it would eventually
>> use.) With this much memory usage, SM frequently becomes unresponsive for
>> minutes at a time and sometimes totally crashes.
>>
>> Under the same conditions, MS Edge is only using about 23MB of memory!
>> Is there a solution to this issue for SM? Thanks!
>>
> 
> Using an ad blocker might help. I had problems yesterday on
> radiotimes.com but it seemed to be a Sky advert loading which caused all
> the swapping.
> 
> (I am using linux, seamonkey 2.49.1, firefox 52.2.0)
> 

I doubt that a U.S. government Web site contains advertisements.  My
experience is that bad JavaScript in the Web pages is causing the
problem.  If you can still get the results you need without it, disable
JavaScript to see if that helps.

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Re: Diverge From T-bird

[GérardJan]

Rick,
¿What the hack is T-bird?

rickman wrote:

When using SeaMonkey for reading newsgroups, I see a number of differences from
T-bird.  One that is particularly annoying is when reading a thread new posts
often show up in the middle with other parts of the thread outside of the thread
pane.  An easy way to see if any other posts remain unread in this thread is to
use the \ key to close the thread.  If an underline remains I could then press
'N' to take me to the next unread post in that thread in T-bird.  In SeaMonkey
it takes me to the first unread post in the GROUP!

Obviously this is a divergence from T-bird.  Was this something that was changed
in SeaMonkey or in T-bird?

I find any number of differences in usability like this.  I think if I could get
T-bird to work on my machine I would switch back.  But it ran even slower than
SeaMonkey does, so SeaMonkey is a net improvement, just not a large one.

For that matter, why did SeaMonkey split off from T-bird?  What was the
fundamental issue that created a new tool so similar to the old?




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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20161122013001

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Is there a way to prevent certain sites from hogging system memory?

[notme]

I'm running SM 2.46 under Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. I also have Firefox 
54.0 and MS Edge. I much prefer SM over the other browsers.


When bad weather is in the area, I leave SM running with two tabs open. 
The first is our local weather radar at radar.weather.gov and the other 
is the hourly forecast at weather.com


Within minutes, both SM and FF are using over 500MB of memory. After a 
couple of hours, SM is using over 3GB! (I have 16GB installed on the 
system, and I haven't left FF running this long to see how much memory 
it would eventually use.) With this much memory usage, SM frequently 
becomes unresponsive for minutes at a time and sometimes totally crashes.


Under the same conditions, MS Edge is only using about 23MB of memory!
Is there a solution to this issue for SM? Thanks!

John
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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/11/17 at 6:49 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:


All of those links open so fast I can't count.

But, then again:




How'd you do that? Xfinity absolutely refuses to cooperate with me --
won't show your results, won't run tests -- because I'm not using one
of their approved browsers.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46



Not sure why.  I have never had trouble with Comcast/Xfinity using SM.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51


I guess they must be sniffing for a higher version than mine.

This is like going to a nightclub where the bouncer will only let the 
kewl kids in. But WTF do they care what I'm running?


--
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Re: SeaMonkey wants access to the contact list

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/12/17 at 2:00 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/11/17 at 2:13 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/10/17 at 2:37 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:
Why does SeaMonkey keep asking to access my contact list?  I had 
to use Thunderbird for email, since SeaMonkey would not set up 
IMAP email correctly.  Whether I give it permission or not, it 
still keeps asking every few hours.  If I do not use email, why 
would it need to use the contact list?


What contact list? Are you sure this is from SeaMonkey?

I see that request only when SeaMonkey is running, and it says that 
SeaMonkey wants to access the contact list.  I presume it means the 
Mac Address Book, since that is the contact list I use for email.


Not a Mac person but why don't you just okay the permission?

It makes no difference whether I allow it or not.  The next time I 
launch SeaMonkey it will ask again.




Go into SM preferences for Mail & Newsgroups.  Look for "use Mac OS X 
Address Book" and uncheck it.  This is not exactly your issue but:





That address book is the one I want to use, if any.  I toggled 
"mail.server.default.using_subscription" to false, and so far after 
restarting have not been bothered.  I guess time will tell if that is 
the solution or not.


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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/11/17 at 11:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired
off with great aplomb:

Hank wrote:


I use http://speedtest.xfinity.com/ and it works. If I add www.
before speedtest it is blocked.


I see that your user agent does not contain a reference to
SeaMonkey:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0

Anyone here not using or spoofing Firefox able to get through, or
is that the key?



I did have "advertise FF" turned on. I turned it off and still have
no trouble with Xfinity.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.51


With SeaMonkey 2.46, I get an error with "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" on (which adds "Firefox/49.0" to the UA string). With 
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" off (so it just reports SeaMonkey) 
Ed's results are displayed.


You have a newer version of SeaMonkey, which will include a newer 
version of Firefox in the UA string with "Advertise Firefox" enabled. 
I'd guess that, with "Advertise Firefox" on, speedtest.xfinity.com finds 
the Firefox part of the string and uses that to check if it's a recent 
version, while without it either goes by the SeaMonkey version or (if it 
doesn't recognise SeaMonkey at all) falls back to allowing the page to 
be shown.


There do seem to be a number of sites turning up lately which work with 
SeaMonkey WITHOUT "Advertise Firefox compatibility", but not WITH it...!


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Re: Language pack 2.49.1 not working

[EE]

Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 11.07.2017 o 20:20, EE pisze:

I do not see an en-GB version of the installer for SeaMonkey.  I got and
installed the language pack, but it does nothing.



You have to choose the locale first in the preferences (under "View")
and then restart SeaMonkey. Just installing a language pack does not
switch the language.

There is no "locale" in any of the menus.  View (on MacOS) has: 
Show/Hide, Full Screen, Stop, Reload, Zoom, Use Style, Text Encoding, 
Page Source, Page Info, Apply Theme, and Enter Full Screen.
I did find "language" in the Preferences, however, so you put me on the 
right track.  Thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey wants access to the contact list

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/12/17 at 2:00 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/11/17 at 2:13 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/10/17 at 2:37 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:
Why does SeaMonkey keep asking to access my contact list?  I had to 
use Thunderbird for email, since SeaMonkey would not set up IMAP 
email correctly.  Whether I give it permission or not, it still 
keeps asking every few hours.  If I do not use email, why would it 
need to use the contact list?


What contact list? Are you sure this is from SeaMonkey?

I see that request only when SeaMonkey is running, and it says that 
SeaMonkey wants to access the contact list.  I presume it means the 
Mac Address Book, since that is the contact list I use for email.


Not a Mac person but why don't you just okay the permission?

It makes no difference whether I allow it or not.  The next time I 
launch SeaMonkey it will ask again.




Go into SM preferences for Mail & Newsgroups.  Look for "use Mac OS X 
Address Book" and uncheck it.  This is not exactly your issue but:





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Re: SeaMonkey wants access to the contact list

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 7/11/17 at 2:13 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/10/17 at 2:37 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:
Why does SeaMonkey keep asking to access my contact list?  I had to 
use Thunderbird for email, since SeaMonkey would not set up IMAP 
email correctly.  Whether I give it permission or not, it still 
keeps asking every few hours.  If I do not use email, why would it 
need to use the contact list?


What contact list? Are you sure this is from SeaMonkey?

I see that request only when SeaMonkey is running, and it says that 
SeaMonkey wants to access the contact list.  I presume it means the 
Mac Address Book, since that is the contact list I use for email.


Not a Mac person but why don't you just okay the permission?

It makes no difference whether I allow it or not.  The next time I 
launch SeaMonkey it will ask again.


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Re: plugin-container.exe ?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

If it is the bundled plugin-container.exe from the SeaMonkey directory tell 
Norton to bug off. Neither Adrians nor our version are digitally signed yet.


Ken Rudolph wrote:
It's happened several times, now, and I'm wondering if I should be concerned 
or if I should tell Norton to bug off.


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plugin-container.exe ?

[Ken Rudolph]

I'm running SM 2.49.1 under Win-10.  Lately I've been getting a Norton 
warning that something called plugin-container.exe has no valid digital 
signature.  It's happened several times, now, and I'm wondering if I 
should be concerned or if I should tell Norton to bug off.


Incidentally, I went to the "unsupported" 2.49.1 because I was getting 
frequent crashed with 2.46.  It's been well over a week now with 2.49.1 
and not a single crash since then.


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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/11/17 at 11:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Hank wrote:


I use http://speedtest.xfinity.com/ and it works. If I add www. before
speedtest it is blocked.


I see that your user agent does not contain a reference to SeaMonkey:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/64.0


Anyone here not using or spoofing Firefox able to get through, or is 
that the key?




I did have "advertise FF" turned on. I turned it off and still have no 
trouble with Xfinity.


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.51



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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Ed Mullen]

On 7/11/17 at 6:49 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Ed Mullen wrote:


All of those links open so fast I can't count.

But, then again:




How'd you do that? Xfinity absolutely refuses to cooperate with me -- 
won't show your results, won't run tests -- because I'm not using one of 
their approved browsers.


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46




Not sure why.  I have never had trouble with Comcast/Xfinity using SM.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51


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Re: SeaMonkey Speed Problems

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


On 7/11/2017 8:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Anyone here not using or spoofing Firefox able to get through, or
is that the key?


Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64;
rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.46
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled

I had no problem reaching and then using
.


Yep, disabling AFC did it. Thanks.


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