SM video problems continue - will they ever end!?

2018-03-28 Thread null 
Have had increasing problems playing video in SM for a long time now. 
Getting the latest SM version doesn't help. Seems it all stems from 
ongoing, behind-the-scenes jostling between flashplayer, WEBM and the 
HTML5 player. Currently I can't play anything on Facebook or Instagram, 
and many news sites have video that won't play. The latest nonsense on 
many news sites is a message saying "This video could not be loaded - 
crossdomain access denied". No idea exactly what that implies.


Are other SM users having these sort of problems?
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Re: Awful memory leaks

2018-03-28 Thread Daniel 

Mason83 wrote on 29/03/18 01:21:

On 28/03/2018 14:31, Daniel wrote:


Mason, your User Agent line indicates 
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0


In fact, this is *not* the UA string for SM 2.49
It is the UA string for FF 52 ESR, which I hardcoded via
general.useragent.override to work around a bug in the
dailymotion website. Thanks for reminding me! :-)

Regards.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: No automatic upgrades for this version, in red on home screen.

2018-03-28 Thread WaltS48 

On 03/28/2018 06:34 PM, Mort Linder wrote:

Hi Paul,

I followed your advice, and re-installed the latest version via your 
link to the directory. I STILL have that half page red notice that I 
will not get any updates.


What the heck is going on? (I thought of stronger language, but did not 
write it.)




What's going on is the developers can't enable updates, haven't been 
able to enable updates since version 2.46, and put that notice on the 
Release Notes page, so users know to download the full installer.


A bit backwards, download and install first, then read the release 
notes, but that it is the way it is setup.


If you go to  you won't see 
that notice. That link is the default home page for SeaMonkey.


If you go to the page David linked to, you won't see that notice.

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Re: No automatic upgrades for this version, in red on home screen.

2018-03-28 Thread Mort Linder 

Hi Paul,

I followed your advice, and re-installed the latest version via your 
link to the directory. I STILL have that half page red notice that I 
will not get any updates.


What the heck is going on? (I thought of stronger language, but did not 
write it.)


Thanks again,

Mort


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort Linder wrote:


Thanks for your reply. How do I find "the downloads section", in
order to do a new download? I have been clicking on the red right
upper notice to upgrade/download each time.


AFAICT you're already running the latest stable release, 2.49.2. You can 
confirm by going to Help | About in the SeaMonkey menu.


If not, go to the home page I linked, 
, and you should see a bright green 
sign at the top right, "Download now." If Windows English isn't what you 
want, click "Other Systems & Languages."


Don't get no easier'n 'at.




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Re: No automatic upgrades for this version, in red on home screen.

2018-03-28 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Mort Linder wrote:


Exactly! I already have the latest release, yet still get the large
red message that I will not be getting any future updates. I cannot
figure out what is going on, and how to correct it.
You don't need to correct it. Everyone who visits the SeaMonkey home 
page or the SM 2.49.2 release page gets it. The message says anyone 
upgrading TO version 2.49.2 has to do so manually. You've already 
upgraded. Drop it.


I won't be replying to any more messages in this thread.

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Re: No automatic upgrades for this version, in red on home screen.

2018-03-28 Thread Mort Linder 

Hi Paul,

Exactly! I already have the latest release, yet still get the large red 
message that I will not be getting any future updates. I cannot figure 
out what is going on, and how to correct it.



Thaks,

Mort

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort Linder wrote:


Thanks for your reply. How do I find "the downloads section", in
order to do a new download? I have been clicking on the red right
upper notice to upgrade/download each time.


AFAICT you're already running the latest stable release, 2.49.2. You can 
confirm by going to Help | About in the SeaMonkey menu.


If not, go to the home page I linked, 
, and you should see a bright green 
sign at the top right, "Download now." If Windows English isn't what you 
want, click "Other Systems & Languages."


Don't get no easier'n 'at.




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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread Ray_Net 

EE wrote on 28-03-18 18:27:

Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 06:13:
...> I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on 
sending
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


I kindly e-mail back that I don't see that information, but they 
insist it is my fault and to use a better e-mail client. :(


This is their fault, but they don't care YOU MUST ACCEPT, DISPLAY AND 
READ THE HTML PART !


Now, a lot of those people put a link in the plain text part of the 
message and that leads to a web page, which will open in a browser. 
That works for me.  I also informed the multipart senders that I would 
delete the mail as junk if I saw nothing useful in the part I could read.


Most people did not understand what are your requirements. If some 
understand it, they don't know how to fulfill your requirements.
Personnaly, when it's possible I write in plain text - but I read in 
HTML if the mail contain an html part.

So I don't have problems.
My only reaction is when the sender put at the end of his mail a 
spam-part like:

- Written with SeaMonkey (under Windows 10)
- Verified without virus by McAfee LiveSafe
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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread EE 

Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 06:13:
...> I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on 
sending
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


I kindly e-mail back that I don't see that information, but they 
insist it is my fault and to use a better e-mail client. :(


This is their fault, but they don't care YOU MUST ACCEPT, DISPLAY AND 
READ THE HTML PART !


Now, a lot of those people put a link in the plain text part of the 
message and that leads to a web page, which will open in a browser. 
That works for me.  I also informed the multipart senders that I would 
delete the mail as junk if I saw nothing useful in the part I could read.


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Re: Awful memory leaks

2018-03-28 Thread Mason83 
On 28/03/2018 14:31, Daniel wrote:

> Mason, your User Agent line indicates 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

In fact, this is *not* the UA string for SM 2.49
It is the UA string for FF 52 ESR, which I hardcoded via
general.useragent.override to work around a bug in the
dailymotion website. Thanks for reminding me! :-)

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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread Ray_Net 

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 11:46:

On 3/28/2018 1:25 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 06:13:
...> I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on 
sending
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


I kindly e-mail back that I don't see that information, but they 
insist it is my fault and to use a better e-mail client. :(


This is their fault, but they don't care YOU MUST ACCEPT, DISPLAY AND 
READ THE HTML PART !


Yeah, it sucks. I am seeing this happening more and more recently. Has 
anyone noticed it too or just me?


Not only you .. more and more people use "webmail" where I think that 
it's basically in html mode.

Evenwhile they don't use colors or other fancy gadgets :-)
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Re: Awful memory leaks

2018-03-28 Thread Daniel 

Mason83 wrote on 28/03/18 19:22:

On 27/03/2018 19:57, IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:





Both of us are using Linux.


How did you figure out this was a Linux box?


Mason, your User Agent line indicates 
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

So you "told" Ray you were using a Linux build. If you want to display 
the User Agent line in the Header section, you need to set a line in 
your Prefs to True.


Enter "about:config" (without the inverted commas) in your SeaMonkey 
Browser's address bar, accept the Warning, then enter "useragent" 
(without the inverted commas) in the Search: line, and one of the 
remaining prefs should be "mailnews.headers.showUserAgent" (without the 
inverted commas). Click on it and you should be able to change it to 
true. If it doesn't exist, make it.


Then when you re-boot your SeaMonkey, the header section of the 
Mail/Newsgroup display should include a new line, showing what the User 
Agent of received e-mails and news posts are.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey 

On 3/27/2018 9:55 PM, Daniel wrote:
...
I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on sending 
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


One has to wonder why "they" would bother sending the text portion if 
they are not going to put anything in the text portion!! ;-(


They do put something in it, just not everything. :(
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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread Ant via support-seamonkey 

On 3/28/2018 1:25 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 06:13:
...> I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on 
sending
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


I kindly e-mail back that I don't see that information, but they 
insist it is my fault and to use a better e-mail client. :(


This is their fault, but they don't care YOU MUST ACCEPT, DISPLAY AND 
READ THE HTML PART !


Yeah, it sucks. I am seeing this happening more and more recently. Has 
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Re: Awful memory leaks

2018-03-28 Thread Ray_Net 

Must have been IRRITATING SPAMMED :-)


Mason83 wrote on 28-03-18 10:22:

On 27/03/2018 19:57, IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:

You have chosen an odd nickname.


Mason83 wrote:


There is, as far as I can see, a large memory leak somewhere
in the TB code:

2,790,110,536 B (100.0%) -- explicit
+--2,359,661,280 B (84.57%) -- maildb
¦  +737,522,464 B (26.43%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +692,232,288 B (24.81%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +222,021,472 B (07.96%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +180,562,496 B (06.47%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +138,690,496 B (04.97%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +121,302,864 B (04.35%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-96,929,744 B (03.47%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-48,629,440 B (01.74%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +-42,458,432 B (01.52%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-24,473,008 B (00.88%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +-21,606,800 B (00.77%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +-10,834,000 B (00.39%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--5,589,824 B (00.20%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--4,862,032 B (00.17%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--3,337,296 B (00.12%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--2,627,888 B (00.09%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--1,382,832 B (00.05%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +786,896 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +786,128 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +674,128 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +503,184 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +481,776 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +341,904 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +240,256 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +166,416 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +164,352 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +143,680 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(mailbox://SNIP
¦  +102,976 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP


737 MB of RAM to store the index of a single newsgroup?
And 692 MB for my main inbox? Something looks fishy there.


76 B ── gfx-surface-image
   768 B ── gfx-surface-xlib
 0 B ── gfx-textures
 0 B ── gfx-textures-peak
 0 B ── gfx-tiles-waste
   0 ── ghost-windows
2,112,485,288 B ── heap-allocated
 1,048,576 B ── heap-chunksize
2,320,498,688 B ── heap-mapped
   0 ── host-object-urls
24,929,212 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-locked
24,930,812 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-total
   0 ── imagelib-surface-cache-overflow-count
 5,087,232 B ── js-main-runtime-temporary-peak
  25,966 ── page-faults-hard
 386,639,447 ── page-faults-soft
2,847,887,360 B ── resident
3,155,869,696 B ── resident-peak
2,574,921,728 B ── resident-unique
 0 B ── system-heap-allocated
5,839,982,592 B ── vsize


5.8 GB of VM for a few tabs open sounds completely unreasonable.

Is there any work around other than quitting/restarting SM?

My "explicit" is 522.23 MB
maildb is121.81 MB
window-objects97.85 MB
heap-unclassified 95.55 MB
js-non-window 65.23 MB

Both of us are using Linux.

How did you figure out this was a Linux box?


Does it help a bit if you close and reopen the News/Mail part of Seamonkey?

I will try. (AFAIR, it doesn't have any impact.)


I also don't understand why your figures are in Bytes and mine in MB.

I was using 2.49.2 while you seem to be using 2.46
Maybe they changed the reporting format between these versions?
Wait... I get "MB" in the Windows version, which is 32-bit
while the Linux version is 64-bit. Maybe it takes different
code paths...

Also note that the "explicit" figure seems to be using a 32-bit
variable, and wraps around at 4 GiB.

Regards.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey v2.49.2's e-mail client not show this HTML code in plain text format?

2018-03-28 Thread Ray_Net 

Ant wrote on 28-03-18 06:13:
...> I have had to re-educate business organizations who insist on 
sending
multipart email to put something useful into the plain text part of 
the message, since that is the only part I would see.  Some of them 
actually learned!


I kindly e-mail back that I don't see that information, but they 
insist it is my fault and to use a better e-mail client. :(


This is their fault, but they don't care YOU MUST ACCEPT, DISPLAY AND 
READ THE HTML PART !

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Re: Awful memory leaks

2018-03-28 Thread Mason83 
On 27/03/2018 19:57, IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:

You have chosen an odd nickname.

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> There is, as far as I can see, a large memory leak somewhere
>> in the TB code:
>>
>> 2,790,110,536 B (100.0%) -- explicit
>> +--2,359,661,280 B (84.57%) -- maildb
>> ¦  +737,522,464 B (26.43%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +692,232,288 B (24.81%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +222,021,472 B (07.96%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +180,562,496 B (06.47%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +138,690,496 B (04.97%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +121,302,864 B (04.35%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-96,929,744 B (03.47%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-48,629,440 B (01.74%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +-42,458,432 B (01.52%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-24,473,008 B (00.88%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +-21,606,800 B (00.77%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +-10,834,000 B (00.39%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--5,589,824 B (00.20%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--4,862,032 B (00.17%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--3,337,296 B (00.12%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--2,627,888 B (00.09%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--1,382,832 B (00.05%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +786,896 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +786,128 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +674,128 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +503,184 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +481,776 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +341,904 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +240,256 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +166,416 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +164,352 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +143,680 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(mailbox://SNIP
>> ¦  +102,976 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>>
>>
>> 737 MB of RAM to store the index of a single newsgroup?
>> And 692 MB for my main inbox? Something looks fishy there.
>>
>>
>>76 B ── gfx-surface-image
>>   768 B ── gfx-surface-xlib
>> 0 B ── gfx-textures
>> 0 B ── gfx-textures-peak
>> 0 B ── gfx-tiles-waste
>>   0 ── ghost-windows
>> 2,112,485,288 B ── heap-allocated
>> 1,048,576 B ── heap-chunksize
>> 2,320,498,688 B ── heap-mapped
>>   0 ── host-object-urls
>>24,929,212 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-locked
>>24,930,812 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-total
>>   0 ── imagelib-surface-cache-overflow-count
>> 5,087,232 B ── js-main-runtime-temporary-peak
>>  25,966 ── page-faults-hard
>> 386,639,447 ── page-faults-soft
>> 2,847,887,360 B ── resident
>> 3,155,869,696 B ── resident-peak
>> 2,574,921,728 B ── resident-unique
>> 0 B ── system-heap-allocated
>> 5,839,982,592 B ── vsize
>>
>>
>> 5.8 GB of VM for a few tabs open sounds completely unreasonable.
>>
>> Is there any work around other than quitting/restarting SM?
> 
> My "explicit" is 522.23 MB
> maildb is121.81 MB
> window-objects97.85 MB
> heap-unclassified 95.55 MB
> js-non-window 65.23 MB
> 
> Both of us are using Linux.

How did you figure out this was a Linux box?

> Does it help a bit if you close and reopen the News/Mail part of Seamonkey?

I will try. (AFAIR, it doesn't have any impact.)

> I also don't understand why your figures are in Bytes and mine in MB.

I was using 2.49.2 while you seem to be using 2.46
Maybe they changed the reporting format between these versions?
Wait... I get "MB" in the Windows version, which is 32-bit
while the Linux version is 64-bit. Maybe it takes different
code paths...

Also note that the "explicit" figure seems to be using a 32-bit
variable, and wraps around at 4 GiB.

Regards.
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