Re: Still Can't Get Fox News

[Lemuel Johnson via support-seamonkey]

On 3/11/2020 12:55 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/10/2020 7:38 PM, Larry S. wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/10/2020 12:06 PM, Larry S. wrote:

Still get the message "You don't have permission to access Fox News on
this server". Any thoughts on what to do now?

I tried changing cookies to "Session Only", didn't work. I tried
changing my UA string to read Firefox 72.0.1, didn't work.

Any other thoughts?
Larry



Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled
Cookies for the requested Web site only
Popups blocked
All images enabled
"When a web page provides its own colors and background" set to "Always
use the colors and background specified by the web page."
"Allow documents to use other fonts" enabled
HTML5 Media enabled

No problem viewing Fox News at  (other than my
dislike of Fox politics).


I pretty much track with your choices, except how do I set "HTML5 Media
enabled"?

Seem as though I should have no problem with my access, but I do. Hmm ..

Larry



In your preferences, set media.autoplay.enabled to True.



I hate to muddy the waters but I have media.autoplay.enabled set to 
False and Fox News works for me.


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1

Not logged into the Foxnews site
Windows 10 Pro (x64)
Allow all cookies
Accept cookies normally
Load all images
Do not block unrequested popup windows
All TLS options checked
All scripts allowed except hiding the status bar

Lemuel Johnson
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Re: Spoofing (?) in Seamonkey

[NFN Smith]

Chuck wrote:

I have been using Seamonkey for years now mainly for email and
browsing. I know there a many things in Seamonkey I don't have a clue
about but since I never use them,



I have not needed to understand them. However one thing I would like
to understand (and don't) is "spoofing", or whatever the proper term
is.



I just had to go to Firefox to do my taxes because Turbotax would not
 run in Seamonkey.



Is there a source which I  could access to learn to use this feature
in Seamonkey.



Remember I am a just  a basic user of Seamonkey



Thanks, Chuck



"spoofing" is indeed the term you want to use.

There's more than one way to go about this, and which you use depends on 
what you're doing, and what level of tinkering that you're comfortable with.


To start off, looking at your posted message, your copy of Seamonkey is 
currently reporting itself as:


   > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5


It's a good bet that Intuit isn't really complaining about Seamonkey 
specifically, so much as they are about a browser identifying itself as 
 Firefox 52. It's likely that you could get what you need if you are 
using the UA string for Seamonkey 2.53.1:



Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.1


You can spoof this from 2.49.5, but I would suggest that you probably 
want to upgrade to 2.53.1.


Although I don't think they're objecting to Seamonkey, if they are, you 
could simply spoof Firefox 60, without mentioning Seamonkey.  If you're 
running 2.53.1, then the easiest way to get that is going to be to turn 
off the "Advertise Firefox Compatibility" setting, which would cause 
Seamonkey to show:


> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0

For that, go Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> HTTP Networking, and 
then un-tick the User Agent String for Firefox.


I'm betting that the combination of updating to 2.53.1 and that setting 
will be the easiest for you.



You can also do spoofing either by extension or by going to about:config 
to tweak your prefs.js file. With the extension route, the way to do 
that is to get PrefBar from https://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/ although once 
it's installed, you have to make sure that the UserAgent control is 
shown, as well as to make sure you have added a setting to show one of 
the strings noted above.  There's a number of strings already there, 
that are useful as examples, but they're all really old.


Personally, I do PrefBar, because it allows me to do spoofing changes on 
the fly, where I can show what I want, when I want, and then go back to 
showing the default, when spoofing is no longer needed.


The other approach is via about:config, and adding one or more entries 
there.


If you have an entry called general.useragent.override and set a UA 
string there (i.e., one of the ones noted above), then that permanently 
sets the UA for all activity (including what is included in outbound 
email).  Because of the email angle, I generally discourage this one, 
because it makes your email look like it was sent by Firefox (which is 
not a mail client). Few will probably notice or care, but it does stand 
out as being unusual.


You can also do site-specific spoofing by extended versions of 
general.useragent.override, where you add the server and domain name you 
need.  Thus, for you, you probably want 
general.useragent.override.turbotax.intiut.com and again, using one of 
the strings noted above.


Even though I generally prefer to do spoofing on the fly, there are a 
couple of sites that I visit regularly, where I do use site-specific 
general.useragent.override entries.  One is with google.com, where I 
show a straight Firefox UA, because for some reason, Google doesn't 
display quite correctly if it sees a Firefox string that includes 
Seamonkey, particularly in that the cursor location in Google's search 
bar doesn't display correctly.  A minor annoyance, but nice to know that 
I can fix the display.  I also currently spoof 2.53.1 for a couple of 
financial institutions. I just upgraded Seamonkey from 2.49.5 yesterday, 
and those sites have been complaining about unsupported browser, and by 
showing a 2.53 string with Firefox, spoofing makes those complaints go 
away. Now that I'm upgraded to 2.53, I don't need to spoof anymore, 
although eventually I'll remove those, especially when I eventually see 
newer versions of Seamonkey.


To re-iterate, I think the easiest approach for you is upgrading to 
2.53, and then turning off advertising Firefox compatibility.  If, for 
some reason, you don't want to upgrade, then the next easiest solution 
is using about:config to spoof just when you're visiting 
turbotax.intuit.com.


Smith




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Re: How to build 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?

[BERTRAND Joël]

Frank-Rainer Grahl a écrit :
> 
> BERTRAND Joël wrote:
>> Nobody has tried to build SM 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> JB
>>
> 
> grey_gandalf:
> 
> https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/20200311

Thanks a lot. If I understand, I have to wait until 2.53.2...

Best regards,

JB
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Re: How to build 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

BERTRAND Joël wrote:

Nobody has tried to build SM 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?

Best regards,

JB



grey_gandalf:

https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/20200311

FRG
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Re: Spoofing (?) in Seamonkey

[Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey]

Chuck wrote:
I just had to go to Firefox to do my taxes because Turbotax would not 
run in Seamonkey.


Here's their page about supported browsers

https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/online/system-requirements

According to this, it's not just browser support, they don't support 
linux at all.


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Re: How to build 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?

[BERTRAND Joël]

Nobody has tried to build SM 2.53.1 on FreeBSD ?

Best regards,

JB
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Re: Is there a way to know which extensions may break when upgrading?

[Richmond]

Frank-Rainer Grahl  writes:

>
> It will not work. You need 5.1.9 as indicated in the release notes. Why do you
> think we explicity wrote this when the latest would work too?

Because I am such a fool, and I forget half of what I have read. :(
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Re: Is there a way to know which extensions may break when upgrading?

[Richmond]

Thanks!

I tried to install the latest version of noscript anyway by installing
from a file. It successfully installed, but it didn't seem to work. No
icons appeared. Maybe there is a simple fix like you indicate for
session manager. I think not though as it did not seem to stop any
scripts by default.
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Re: Is there a way to know which extensions may break when upgrading?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Richmond wrote:

Thanks!

I tried to install the latest version of noscript anyway by installing
from a file. It successfully installed, but it didn't seem to work. No
icons appeared. Maybe there is a simple fix like you indicate for
session manager. I think not though as it did not seem to stop any
scripts by default.



It will not work. You need 5.1.9 as indicated in the release notes. Why do you 
think we explicity wrote this when the latest would work too? The same for 
uBlock. web extensions is a mess and will only made to work in 2.57 (or no 
2.57). It does currently not work there.


FRG
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Re: Spoofing (?) in Seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 3/10/2020 7:26 PM, Chuck wrote:
> I have been using Seamonkey for years now mainly for email and browsing.
> I know there a many things in Seamonkey I don't have a clue about but 
> since I never use them,
>   I have not needed to understand them.
> However one thing I would like to understand (and don't) is "spoofing", 
> or whatever the proper term is.
> I just had to go to Firefox to do my taxes because Turbotax would not 
> run in Seamonkey.
> Is there a source which I  could access to learn to use this feature in 
> Seamonkey.
> Remember I am a just  a basic user of Seamonkey
> Thanks, Chuck
> 

See my Web pages:

, especially at the end
where I discuss defeating sniffing.

, where "sniffing",
"spoofing", and other terms have user-oriented definitions (not always
technically precise)/


-- 
David E. Ross


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represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods.  Real
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other business doing commerce in meat.

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Re: Still Can't Get Fox News

[David E. Ross]

On 3/10/2020 7:38 PM, Larry S. wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 3/10/2020 12:06 PM, Larry S. wrote:
>>> Still get the message "You don't have permission to access Fox News on
>>> this server". Any thoughts on what to do now?
>>>
>>> I tried changing cookies to "Session Only", didn't work. I tried
>>> changing my UA string to read Firefox 72.0.1, didn't work.
>>>
>>> Any other thoughts?
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>>  SeaMonkey/2.49.5
>> "Advertise Firefox compatibility" disabled
>> Cookies for the requested Web site only
>> Popups blocked
>> All images enabled
>> "When a web page provides its own colors and background" set to "Always
>>  use the colors and background specified by the web page."
>> "Allow documents to use other fonts" enabled
>> HTML5 Media enabled
>>
>> No problem viewing Fox News at  (other than my
>> dislike of Fox politics).
>>
> I pretty much track with your choices, except how do I set "HTML5 Media 
> enabled"?
> 
> Seem as though I should have no problem with my access, but I do. Hmm ..
> 
> Larry
> 

In your preferences, set media.autoplay.enabled to True.

-- 
David E. Ross


Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods.  Real
meat is natural.  Beyond Meat is definitely not.  No,
I do NOT own a cattle ranch, a butcher shop, or any
other business doing commerce in meat.
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