Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Ant]

On 4/13/2020 7:20 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/13/2020 5:18 PM, Ant wrote:

On 4/13/2020 8:03 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, Ant wrote:

I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site
speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.

What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering. :)



I normally have it disabled.  That is not becuase of problems when it is
enabled.  Instead, I do not want server logs to indicate I am using
Firefox.  I want them to know what I am really using.

I have the old PrefBar extension installed.  One of the buttons toggles
between enabling and disabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  I
cannot remember whether this is a button I recreated myself or obtained
from the PrefBar Web site.

In case I enable the feature and forget to disable it, I have the
following entry in my user.js file:
user_pref("general.useragent.compatMode.firefox", false);


Do you have the code for that button so I/we can add it to our PrefBar?



It is actually a checkbox, not a button.  With a checkmark, "Advertise
Firefox compatibility" is enabled.  With the checkmark cleared, it is
disabled.  I have uploaded the file for creating the checkbox to my Web
site.

1.  Download the file at
.

2.  On the PrefBar tool bar, right-click and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

3.  Any place on the right side of the PrefBar window under Enabled
Items, right-click and select Import.

4.  In the "Import Buttons from File" navigation window, navigate to
where the downloaded toggle_adv_firefox.btn file is located and select
the Open button.

5.  The checkbox will be the last entry under Enabled Items.  You can
drag and drop it into a more handy location.

The checkbox will appear with the label "Advertise Firefox
compatibility".  You can edit the checkbox to change (shorten) that
label.  Just select the checkbox, right-click, and select "Edit button
...".

NOTE:  I will remove the file from my Web site in two weeks.


Perfect and thanks. :)
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/13/2020 5:18 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 4/13/2020 8:03 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site
>>> speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.
>>>
>>> What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
>>> answering. :)
>>>
>>
>> I normally have it disabled.  That is not becuase of problems when it is
>> enabled.  Instead, I do not want server logs to indicate I am using
>> Firefox.  I want them to know what I am really using.
>>
>> I have the old PrefBar extension installed.  One of the buttons toggles
>> between enabling and disabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  I
>> cannot remember whether this is a button I recreated myself or obtained
>> from the PrefBar Web site.
>>
>> In case I enable the feature and forget to disable it, I have the
>> following entry in my user.js file:
>>  user_pref("general.useragent.compatMode.firefox", false);
> 
> Do you have the code for that button so I/we can add it to our PrefBar?
> 

It is actually a checkbox, not a button.  With a checkmark, "Advertise
Firefox compatibility" is enabled.  With the checkmark cleared, it is
disabled.  I have uploaded the file for creating the checkbox to my Web
site.

1.  Download the file at
.

2.  On the PrefBar tool bar, right-click and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

3.  Any place on the right side of the PrefBar window under Enabled
Items, right-click and select Import.

4.  In the "Import Buttons from File" navigation window, navigate to
where the downloaded toggle_adv_firefox.btn file is located and select
the Open button.

5.  The checkbox will be the last entry under Enabled Items.  You can
drag and drop it into a more handy location.

The checkbox will appear with the label "Advertise Firefox
compatibility".  You can edit the checkbox to change (shorten) that
label.  Just select the checkbox, right-click, and select "Edit button
...".

NOTE:  I will remove the file from my Web site in two weeks.

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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/13/2020 5:18 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 4/13/2020 8:03 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site
>>> speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.
>>>
>>> What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
>>> answering. :)
>>>
>>
>> I normally have it disabled.  That is not becuase of problems when it is
>> enabled.  Instead, I do not want server logs to indicate I am using
>> Firefox.  I want them to know what I am really using.
>>
>> I have the old PrefBar extension installed.  One of the buttons toggles
>> between enabling and disabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  I
>> cannot remember whether this is a button I recreated myself or obtained
>> from the PrefBar Web site.
>>
>> In case I enable the feature and forget to disable it, I have the
>> following entry in my user.js file:
>>  user_pref("general.useragent.compatMode.firefox", false);
> 
> Do you have the code for that button so I/we can add it to our PrefBar?
> 

It is actually a checkbox, not a button.  With a checkmark, "Advertise
Firefox compatibility" is enabled.  With the checkmark cleared, it is
disabled.  I have uploaded the file for creating the checkbox to my Web
site.

1.  Download the file at
.

2.  On the PrefBar tool bar, right-click and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

3.  Any place on the right side of the PrefBar window under Enabled
Items, right-click and select Import.

4.  In the "Import Buttons from File" navigation window, navigate to
where the downloaded toggle_adv_firefox.btn file is located and select
the Open button.

5.  The checkbox will be the last entry under Enabled Items.  You can
drag and drop it into a more handy location.

The checkbox will appear with the label "Advertise Firefox
compatibility".  You can edit the checkbox to change (shorten) that
label.  Just select the checkbox, right-click, and select "Edit button
...".

NOTE:  I will remove the file from my Web site in two weeks.

-- 
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if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[rmpbklyn]

I had similar issue, i had to trun off spell check from desktop.  the other 
issue was grammerly extension, this caused spinning /hourglass. youlll want to 
turn off and form filling extensions

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:57:53 PM UTC-4, Ant wrote:
> I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site 
> speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.
> 
> What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
> answering. :)
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Ant]

On 4/13/2020 8:03 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, Ant wrote:

I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site
speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.

What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering. :)



I normally have it disabled.  That is not becuase of problems when it is
enabled.  Instead, I do not want server logs to indicate I am using
Firefox.  I want them to know what I am really using.

I have the old PrefBar extension installed.  One of the buttons toggles
between enabling and disabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  I
cannot remember whether this is a button I recreated myself or obtained
from the PrefBar Web site.

In case I enable the feature and forget to disable it, I have the
following entry in my user.js file:
user_pref("general.useragent.compatMode.firefox", false);


Do you have the code for that button so I/we can add it to our PrefBar?
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Ant]

On 4/13/2020 7:32 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:
I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web 
site speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.


What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)


There were several reports of sites which did not work with that setting 
here several months back, at that point I disabled it.


And some don't work correctly without it. :(
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/13/2020 2:19 PM, NFN Smith wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>
>> We are still not sure if the third option dropping Firefox from the UA 
>> is useful. Imho too many sites break without showing Firefox.
>>
>> Personally I think Firefox plus SeaMonkey show be the default and 
>> "Strict Firefox" the only other choice. For sites disliking both a 
>> domain override via about:config or a ua switcher would probably be best.
> 
> I think that's probably the best approach.  I've seen too many sites 
> that are are aggressive in demanding *only* Chrome, Firefox, Safari or 
> IE.  I think IE is getting replaced with Edge in that demand, and 
> occasionally I see sites that will permit Opera.
> 
> Most often, it seems to be financial institutions that behave that way, 
> and it's my opinion that despite wording, their real agenda is to 
> minimize loads on tech support people.  Thus, if you're interacting with 
> a site's support people, they say that they will support Firefox only at 
> v 60 or later. It's not a question of browser capacity, so much as 
> knowing the exact navigation path to critical settings.  Therefore, if 
> you tell them that you have a Firefox-derived browser with all the 
> necessary capacities, they'll cut the conversation off with "Firefox or 
> nothing", because they don't want to deal with the different UI of 
> another browser. Seamonkey isn't the only one with this problem, but 
> Pale Moon and Waterfox, as well.
> 
> That said, I don't know if users of Chromium-derived browsers have this 
> kind of issue.
> 
> 
> As for spoofing, where we are currently is kind of quandary. 
> about:config settings are certainly doable, but kind of inflexible, 
> especially if you have to do them on a per-site basis. I have strong 
> liking for doing it via extension, but PrefBar is no longer supported 
> (even though it's still available for download from the developer, 
> although not listed in the archive of legacy extensions).  In Firefox, 
> I've found several extensions that do spoofing, but those are all 
> WebExtension, and thus, not usable until the eventual support of 
> WebExtension in Seamonkey.
> 
> Smith

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5

Besides using PrefBar to toggle between disabling (my degault) and
enabling "Advertise Firefox compatiblity", I also use PrefBar's "User
Agent" menu list to spoof other browsers.  I occasionally update the UA
strings from the log of visits to my own Web site.

Currently, I can spoof the following (but I rarely need to do so):
Firefox 68
Edge 18.17763
Internet Explorer 11
Opera 12.17
Chrome 79.0.3945
Safari 605.1.15

I also can spoof with the following UA strings:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5, NOT Firefox/68.0
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0
(NOT - it's  really SeaMonkey/2.49.5! Stop browser sniffing)

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Re: Email Setup (2nd server)

[NFN Smith]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

I know it's an advertising slogan somewhere: Just do it.
Two of my 5 or 6 email addresses are from the same provider and are 
totally separate, it works.  Incoming and outgoing.





Incoming: Set up all three email addresses, with separate names (!)


And remember, the names are merely an internal description for your own 
use, and don't have further significance.




Outgoing: Set up all three email addresses, also with separate names.



I have several addresses in my configs, including two that are on the 
same service.


Using the account setup wizard is pretty simple.  File -> New - > 
Account .  Once you enter your email address and password (and choosing 
between POP and IMAP) is good about figuring out the rest, including 
server name, port, and encryption methodology. The UI display is perhaps 
a little different than Thunderbird, but not dramatically, and I believe 
that the underlying mechanics are pretty much the same.


Once you have an account configured, you'll see that account along with 
other accounts in the Account Settings window.  Going a little bit 
further down, each account has a setting for Outbound SMTP Server.  I'll 
come back to that in a minute.


At the very bottom of the accounts list, there's a section titled 
Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.  In that list is a set of credentials 
for outbound mail for each account that you've set up.


In the settings for the individual account, the outbound SMTP is 
normally set to use the SMTP server that's normally associated with that 
account, but you can mix and match as needed.


Thus, if I happen to have accounts for f...@example.com, 
ra...@example.com and lo...@example.com, the list of outgoing servers 
should show entries for all three of those.  However, if I go back to 
the server settings for each of those accounts, I can adjust them, so 
that if I want, I can set all three accounts to connect to the outbound 
server, and authenticate as f...@example.com.  Technically speaking (at 
least most of the time), it's not essential that each account use its 
own SMTP credentials.


A different perspective on the mix-and-match... A number of years ago, I 
did my personal email through an account provided by my ISP, and their 
rules for limiting spam activity were that I could only send outbound 
mail through their server if I was connecting from one of their IP 
addresses (although I could connect both POP and IMAP for inbound mail). 
This was a real problem if I needed to send mail while traveling (and 
frequently working off-line, where using a web client wasn't possible). 
The work-around that I came up with is that I have a friend that had an 
available SMTP server, and he gave me credentials there.  Thus, as long 
as I was with that provider, when I traveled, I would adjust my account 
to send through my friend's server, and with that, no problem sending 
mail.  I don't need that connection anymore, but it's still in my config 
settings.


Rounding back to the original question, if you need to add an additional 
account to your configs, use the wizard to set it up.  The wizard will 
take care of setting the necessary SMTP setup for that account, and will 
correctly associate it with your POP or IMAP connection. Although it's 
possible to change, as I've described above, you shouldn't need to do 
so, unless you're doing something non-standard.



I can't remember how you associate the SMTP entries with the input 
entries, I just looked at my setup and saw nothing explicit.  


See above.

Maybe it 
will ask you when you say "Reply To", maybe it is something you specify 
when creating the SMTP entry.  What I do know is that once you have set 
it up, each input email address "knows" which output entry it should be 
using.  You can override it for single Replies without affecting that 
setting.


If you have more than one account defined, then one of the options that 
you have when you're creating mail is to use the drop-down on the From: 
line to choose which account (and which return address to use).


If you're viewing a folder in an account, the default will be the From: 
line (and associated outbound SMTP link), but you can change, as needed. 
 If you happen to be viewing something in Local Folders, or are 
launching a message while viewing a web page, the address uses will be 
the default account, i.e., the account that was defined first.


I occasionally have problems in this area.  There may be times when I'm 
viewing a web page, and I press Ctrl-M to send a new message. My first 
account is my work account, and in that context, if I'm sending a 
message, I often want to be sending it from one of my personal accounts. 
If I'm working quickly, I may forget to change the return address to the 
preferred account, and then the recipient ends up getting a message that 
shows my work account in the From: line.


Hope this clarifies a bit.

Smith





Just set it up, it works.

Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[NFN Smith]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


We are still not sure if the third option dropping Firefox from the UA 
is useful. Imho too many sites break without showing Firefox.


Personally I think Firefox plus SeaMonkey show be the default and 
"Strict Firefox" the only other choice. For sites disliking both a 
domain override via about:config or a ua switcher would probably be best.


I think that's probably the best approach.  I've seen too many sites 
that are are aggressive in demanding *only* Chrome, Firefox, Safari or 
IE.  I think IE is getting replaced with Edge in that demand, and 
occasionally I see sites that will permit Opera.


Most often, it seems to be financial institutions that behave that way, 
and it's my opinion that despite wording, their real agenda is to 
minimize loads on tech support people.  Thus, if you're interacting with 
a site's support people, they say that they will support Firefox only at 
v 60 or later. It's not a question of browser capacity, so much as 
knowing the exact navigation path to critical settings.  Therefore, if 
you tell them that you have a Firefox-derived browser with all the 
necessary capacities, they'll cut the conversation off with "Firefox or 
nothing", because they don't want to deal with the different UI of 
another browser. Seamonkey isn't the only one with this problem, but 
Pale Moon and Waterfox, as well.


That said, I don't know if users of Chromium-derived browsers have this 
kind of issue.



As for spoofing, where we are currently is kind of quandary. 
about:config settings are certainly doable, but kind of inflexible, 
especially if you have to do them on a per-site basis. I have strong 
liking for doing it via extension, but PrefBar is no longer supported 
(even though it's still available for download from the developer, 
although not listed in the archive of legacy extensions).  In Firefox, 
I've found several extensions that do spoofing, but those are all 
WebExtension, and thus, not usable until the eventual support of 
WebExtension in Seamonkey.


Smith



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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Felix Miata wrote:

Ant composed on 2020-04-12 20:57 (UTC-0700):


I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site
speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.



What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering. :)


I don't chat except using CZ or FB Messenger. I don't spoof Firefox except on
specific cluelessly built sites that don't work right otherwise.

general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;false

I have an extra special one just for Google:
general.useragent.override.google.com;Mozilla/52.0

Most specials are like this:
general.useragent.override.usps.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64;
rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0

Most see what I'm actually using:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.1



The option to add Lightning to the UA was recently removed in Thunderbird and 
we did it too starting with 2.53.2. Beta 1 is now in tmp/release and should 
show up soon.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1625750

We have some discussions about UA compatibility in Bug 1242294.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242294

A new option will allow for a Firefox only string to please some sites. 
Advertizing Firefox and SeaMonkey will be the default.


We are still not sure if the third option dropping Firefox from the UA is 
useful. Imho too many sites break without showing Firefox.


Personally I think Firefox plus SeaMonkey show be the default and "Strict 
Firefox" the only other choice. For sites disliking both a domain override via 
about:config or a ua switcher would probably be best.


No final decision yet.

Google sites will probably all break soon until we implement Custom Elements 
and Shadow Dom. Planned but not around the corner.


FRG




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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Felix Miata]

Ant composed on 2020-04-12 20:57 (UTC-0700):

> I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site 
> speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.

> What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
> answering. :) 

I don't chat except using CZ or FB Messenger. I don't spoof Firefox except on
specific cluelessly built sites that don't work right otherwise.

general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;false

I have an extra special one just for Google:
general.useragent.override.google.com;Mozilla/52.0

Most specials are like this:
general.useragent.override.usps.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64;
rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0

Most see what I'm actually using:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.1
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[EE]

Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 13-04-20 05:57:
I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web 
site speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.


What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)

I have this option "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" set.
and also for some domains this option in about:config: per example:
general.useragent.override.google.com -- string set to: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0


I found that advertising Firefox compatibility worked better for most 
sites.  There were a few exceptions, and I used overrides for those. 
Some worked better with plain SeaMonkey and some were better with plain 
Firefox.  For one site I had to spoof Chrome.


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Re: vers. seamonkey 2.53.1 for Mac Os x 10.15 and YouTube

[Felix Miata]

jvanderlinden8@ composed on 2020-04-13 09:42 (UTC-0700):

> I am a gratefull user for more than 10 years from the Netherlands.  Since two
> weeks now I have problems with the use of Youtube: They are warning me that my
> Browser must have an update otherwise I can't use YouTube anymore in a short
> time. I don't hink that I am the only one, so who can help me/help us out?

Try in about:config adding this:

Name:
general.useragent.override.www.youtube.com
String:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0
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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:
I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site 
speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.


What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)


I advertise Firefox, but not Lightning.  When Seamonkey added that 
capacity, I was grateful, because there were too many sites that demand 
Firefox without accounting for the possibility of other projects based 
on Firefox.   Since that time, I have rarely had to resort to spoofing 
to get a site to work correctly.


However, more recently, there are a growing number of sites that are 
complaining about older releases of Firefox. Some have been rejecting 
anything older than 57, and with the end of life of ESR 52, then there's 
a growing number that demand at least 60.


I just noted some things about spoofing in a separate thread, so I'll 
try not to repeat that all here.  However, with 2.53 releases, those are 
now all showing Firefox 60 with Firefox compatibility enabled, and in my 
experience, that seems to have abated most of the "unsupported browser" 
complaints.


However, Google seems to be doing its own thing.  As a general thing, I 
try to minimize my interaction with Google, but I have found that at 
google.com it's useful to do an about:config entry for 
general.useragent.override.google.com that shows a stock Firefox UA 
(without reference to Seamonkey) all the time, rather than resorting to 
constant tinkering with on-the-fly spoofing through PrefBar, in order to 
get the Google search bar to display properly.  I also do minimal stuff 
at YouTube, and when I'm there, I haven't seen problems, but I don't try 
to use chat, either.  In fact, I didn't even know that YouTube supports 
chat.


However, if it takes spoofing to get google.com to display correctly, it 
wouldn't surprise me if they're doing most of the same UI things at 
YouTube, and that you may have to spoof to get things to behave. 
Although I like the flexibility of PrefBar to do UA switching on the 
fly, for any site that I visit frequently (especially if it's something 
where I have a tab open for extended use while I have other tabs also 
open), I'm inclined to go the route of about:config for something like that.


If you're seeing better performance without advertising compatibility, 
but not able to use chat, I'm not sure if there's a really good 
work-around. For that, switching back and forth between UAs with PrefBar 
might get you functionality, but not simultaneously.


Smith
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vers. seamonkey 2.53.1 for Mac Os x 10.15 and YouTube

[jvanderlinden8]

I am a gratefull user for more than 10 years from the Netherlands.  Since two 
weeks now I have problems with the use of Youtube: They are warning me that my 
Browser must have an update otherwise I can't use YouTube anymore in a short 
time.
I don't hink that I am the only one, so who can help me/help us out?
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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[NFN Smith]

Ray_Net wrote:
As I understand it, now that you have it set to 
"general.useragent.override", ever site you visit will think you are 
using FF V78, not SM.


That's correct. It's a general setting that covers all of Seamonkey, 
including your email.  Thus, in the message wrote, there is this header:


 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:61.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0

Since I have the dispMUA extension installed, the message used to write 
this text, that's showing that you were using Firefox to compose your 
message.  Since I know about spoofing, I know that's what you're doing, 
but there may be occasions when you send mail, it might cause an issue 
with showing the identity of a browser, rather than a legitimate mail 
client.


With that in mind, I tend to prefer doing more granular spoofing in 
places that need it rather than doing it globally.  I have a strong 
liking for PrefBar, and I have nearly a dozen different UAs available 
for spoof. Besides getting past sites that don't behave correctly when 
they see a Seamonkey UA, I've found a couple other places where spoofing 
is really useful.


One is for software distributors that support multiple operating 
systems, where they use UA sniffing to determine what system you're 
running, and when you download, they'll give you the download that 
corresponds to your platform.  For non-technical users, that's useful, 
in making sure that the correct download is delivered, but for me, I 
have an extensive collection of downloads that I use for support 
purposes.  By using spoofing, I can tell a site that I'm running a Mac, 
and get a Mac download, even if I'm using Windows. I also find that 
spoofing is useful when testing my own web page, to make sure that the 
page handles different UAs correctly.


With PrefBar, I can do on-the-fly changes of what I'm showing to a site, 
and then switch back to the default Seamonkey UA when I no longer need 
spoofing.




As an example, I have added some new entries where I changed the string 
accordingly with host I reach;
general.useragent.override.google.com -- string set to: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0


I've done precisely this with Google.  That one clears the display quirk 
that's in Google's search bar. For some reason, Google doesn't like a 
Firefox UA that shows the name of Firefox-derived project. They want 
only stock Firefox. If I remember correctly, PaleMoon has the same issue 
as Seamonkey.


I also do spoofing with general.useragent.override for a couple of 
financial sites that were complaining about Firefox 52 when I was 
running Seamonkey 2.49.x.  Since I visit those sites frequently enough, 
I don't want to bother with turning spoofing on and off in PrefBar, so 
it's worth it to me to do site-specific spoofs.  Since I've moved to 
Seamonkey 2.53, I'm guessing that those sites are no longer complaining 
(at least for now), but since the spoofing that I was using is for the 
then-beta of 2.53.1 (which shows Firefox 60), I haven't bothered to 
update or remove.  I'll probably want to update when 2.53.2 gets out the 
door.


Smith

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Re: Setting up my computer with a new ISP...while not loosing data on my system setup.

[WaltS48]

Frog wrote:
 Some you have given me much help with an earlier thread relating to 
this the subject of this message...Subject: Not able to send messages.


Here is a list of things I must learn about to make the change from 
Verizon to AOL> ISP.


I now I want to continue using SeaMonkey in the same manner as I did 
while connected to Verizon.


I know that I must take steps to configure things so that I continue to 
have access to old Verizon messages, while adding new AOL messages to 
this system (if that is possible).


For sure, I don't want to lose anything I previously saved on my 
computer that originated via the Verizon days.


I believe there will be a need to reconfigure MailWasher to work with 
AOL.  This MailWasher software permits me to weed out unwanted messages 
prior to downloading messages to my computer...I have found this 
software helps to keep from introducing virus and malware software on my 
computer.


Have I forgotten anything?

I will continue using the same Verizon email address on the AOL system.

I would welcome any help or guidance with the above that comes my way.

Frog


It is much easier to setup email using Thunderbird.

You enter your name, email address and password in the account wizard.
Thunderbird finds the settings for you.
You select either POP or IMAP click the "Done" button and the account is 
created.



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Re: Setting up my computer with a new ISP...while not loosing data on my system setup.

[NFN Smith]

Frog wrote:
Some you have given me much help with an earlier thread relating to 
this the subject of this message...Subject: Not able to send

messages.

Here is a list of things I must learn about to make the change from 
Verizon to AOL> ISP.


I now I want to continue using SeaMonkey in the same manner as I did
 while connected to Verizon.


All it is is a matter of adding an additional account to your current
configs.  Seamonkey has no difficulties with connecting with multiple
accounts and multiple providers.

All that's necessary is File -> New -> Account, and then follow the
prompts of the account setup wizard, and put in the necessary settings
for AOL.  Don't touch your Verizon account at all.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like you're a POP user. It's now
pretty common that providers presume IMAP, to allow for access from
multiple devices (and I think there may be a few providers that don't
even offer POP), but if you're using a single computer, there's no
reason that you can't continue to use POP, if you prefer it.

I'm not aware of any trickiness with AOL's setups. I do know that with 
Gmail, there's their oAUTH system for authentication, and where you have 
to configure Gmail for "less secure", because Seamonkey doesn't do 
oAUTH.  In a similar way there's a growing number of providers that are 
doing some form of multi-factor authentication. I know that my own 
provider requires a setup of a separate password to use in an external 
mail client -- it's not the same password used for login at their web 
site. I'm guessing that AOL doesn't do that, but I could be wrong.



I know that I must take steps to configure things so that I continue
to have access to old Verizon messages, while adding new AOL messages
to this system (if that is possible).


Once you have the AOL connection working, all your Verizon messages are 
still there, assuming that you're using POP. At that point, you can 
drag-and-drop all the messages, either into your AOL account, or into 
Local Folders. If your Verizon account is IMAP, then you should 
drag-and-drop all your messages.  If the AOL account is IMAP, then 
dragging into AOL will cause all your messages to be uploaded to AOL's 
server.  If you move everything to Local Folders, then all the content 
will be stored only on your local hard drive.


If your Verizon connection is POP, all your messages are there, and you 
simply leave the Verizon account there (although you will want to adjust 
the server settings for that account, so that Seamonkey isn't 
automatically checking for new messages).


For what it's worth, in my own setups, I have content in my Local 
Folders dating back close to 25 years, on accounts that were discarded 
long ago, including on proprietary systems, where I was able to import 
messages into Seamonkey.




For sure, I don't want to lose anything I previously saved on my
computer that originated via the Verizon days.


Just to be on the safe side, it is worth getting a backup of all your 
data, but that's something that you should be doing as a part of your 
routine backups.  In Windows, Seamonkey's data is in 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey .  On my own system, I make sure that folder 
is included in my daily backups, but before I'm doing something with 
configurations (especially if I'm working at file/folder level), I make 
sure I copy all that data to somewhere else on the computer.




I believe there will be a need to reconfigure MailWasher to work with
AOL.  This MailWasher software permits me to weed out unwanted
messages prior to downloading messages to my computer...I have found
this software helps to keep from introducing virus and malware
software on my computer.


There might be a tweak in your settings for MailWasher, where you need 
to tell it about AOL's server.


However, I'm not convinced that you need MailWasher, and for more than 
one reason.  The primary thing is that if you're moving to a new mail 
address, spammers mostly won't know about the new address, and if you're 
careful about not broadcasting your address to where the spammers can 
pick it up, you may not see a lot of spam for MailWasher to handle. 
Additionally, Seamonkey has native spam-handling capacity, in the same 
way that Thunderbird does.


The Mozilla spam-handling tools may not be as robust as I would like but 
they do work.  That won't prevent download, but a message recognized as 
spam will be shunted to the Junk folder, where it can be easily 
discarded, in the same way that you empty trash. However, any 
user-trained filter needs a measure of training, and you have to watch 
for both false positives and false negatives, and make corrections. 
There's several ways to do that, but one way is right-clicking on a 
message in a folder, and selecting Mark -> either "As Junk" or "As Not 
Junk", and subsequent messages that are similar will be treated the same 
way.


Even if a message you receive is a vector for malware, it is still safe 
to interact 

Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Ray_Net]

Ant wrote on 13-04-20 05:57:
I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web 
site speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.


What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)

I have this option "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" set.
and also for some domains this option in about:config: per example:
general.useragent.override.google.com -- string set to: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0

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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[Ray_Net]

Daniel wrote on 13-04-20 10:22:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 13/04/2020 8:41 AM:

closing out my own question, thanks to some google searches;

the new preference to add in about:config to spoof at will is;

general.useragent.override

view message source on this post and it /should/ say Firefox 74

you can put Chrome or webkit or whatever you want.  :-)

Yeap, I see your User Agent as Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 
10.13; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0


but did you notice the pref you listed was 
"general.useragent.override" not the 
"general.useragent.override.seamonkey" that you quoted first time around.


As I understand it, now that you have it set to 
"general.useragent.override", ever site you visit will think you are 
using FF V78, not SM.


As an example, I have added some new entries where I changed the string 
accordingly with host I reach;
general.useragent.override.google.com -- string set to: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0

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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, Ant wrote:
> I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site 
> speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.
> 
> What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
> answering. :)
> 

I normally have it disabled.  That is not becuase of problems when it is
enabled.  Instead, I do not want server logs to indicate I am using
Firefox.  I want them to know what I am really using.

I have the old PrefBar extension installed.  One of the buttons toggles
between enabling and disabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  I
cannot remember whether this is a button I recreated myself or obtained
from the PrefBar Web site.

In case I enable the feature and forget to disable it, I have the
following entry in my user.js file:
user_pref("general.useragent.compatMode.firefox", false);

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Re: Do you use the default "Advertise Firefox compatiblity" option in your SeaMonkey?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Ant wrote:
I have to disable it for YouTube.com so I can rate, get faster web site 
speeds, etc. However, I lose its chat feature.


What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)


There were several reports of sites which did not work with that setting 
here several months back, at that point I disabled it.


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Re: Useragent question - in about:config

[Daniel]

Geoff Welsh wrote on 13/04/2020 8:41 AM:

closing out my own question, thanks to some google searches;

the new preference to add in about:config to spoof at will is;

general.useragent.override

view message source on this post and it /should/ say Firefox 74

you can put Chrome or webkit or whatever you want.  :-)

Yeap, I see your User Agent as Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 
10.13; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/74.0


but did you notice the pref you listed was "general.useragent.override" 
not the "general.useragent.override.seamonkey" that you quoted first 
time around.


As I understand it, now that you have it set to 
"general.useragent.override", ever site you visit will think you are 
using FF V78, not SM.


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Daniel

Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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