Re: SM 2.53.3: Some sites not displaying correctly

2020-08-13 Thread NFN Smith

Chuck wrote:


I use SeaMonkey primarily for mail client, primarily FF as my browser.

Version 2.46
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

Build identifier: 20161213183751

Should I install 2.53 (I know backup profile, etc)


I would, just to get current security updates. And when going from 2.49 
to 2.53, it's a good idea to uninstall 2.49, first, especially if you 
intend to install a 64 bit version.




Recently, I'm having same problem with Ebay - in browser and email 
notices and deal alerts.   The browser site only shows hyperlink line 
items no pictures.   The inline pics on emails only show empty boxes.


I'm not seeing any issues in 2.53.3, even with aggressive use of 
noScript and uBlock Origin (at least in the home page). I think if I'm 
actually shopping at eBay, I tend to have to enable at least some of 
their scripts.


If you're not running these extensions, I'm going to suggest that it 
would be a good idea to clear your cache and cookies, and let Seamonkey 
get a clean download of all the content.


These days, so much content is based on scripting that I think that 
sometimes the scripts get confused, and don't download new stuff when 
they need to.


Smith



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Re: SM 2.53.3: Some sites not displaying correctly

2020-08-13 Thread Chuck

mike wrote:

Hi,

with SM 2.53.3 (Win10 64) some sites are not displaying correctly, e.g:

https://www.mailbox.org/
-> Parts of the navigation are cut off on the right side. The page
content is too wide so that it needs a scroll bar.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/
-> Open any classified ad with an image, then click on the image. SM
only displays the bottom half of the image.

Tried with add-ons disabled to no avail. No problem with FF 60.



I use SeaMonkey primarily for mail client, primarily FF as my browser.

Version 2.46
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46

Build identifier: 20161213183751

Should I install 2.53 (I know backup profile, etc)

Recently, I'm having same problem with Ebay - in browser and email 
notices and deal alerts.   The browser site only shows hyperlink line 
items no pictures.   The inline pics on emails only show empty boxes.


Thanks,
Chuck
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Re: Is there a way to make SM confirm my ^Q (exit SM) hotkeys to quit it?

2020-08-13 Thread Ant

On 8/13/2020 12:31 PM, EE wrote:

Once in a while I accidently press them instead of ^W (close current 
tab) in the middle of something. Relaunching with restored sessions 
don't always remember my form inputs and logins. It's quite 
annoying. :(


You want to do a restart instead of shutting SeaMonkey down?  If you 
get Chromedit Plus, it gives you a restart button.  It is also handy 
to edit userChrome.css, userContent.css, and user.js if you have them.


No, I don't want SM to exit without asking me to confirm it like in 
Firefox with ctrl-q hot keys.


If you have more than one tab open, you should be asked if you really 
want to quit.


It doesn't even though I have "Warn me when closing a window with 
multiple tabs"'s box is checked. Maybe a bug since it happens 64-bit W7 
HPE SP1, Debian Jessie v8, and mac OS Mojave v10.14.6? :/

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Re: Is there a way to make SM confirm my ^Q (exit SM) hotkeys to quit it?

2020-08-13 Thread EE

Ant wrote:

On 8/12/2020 12:23 PM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:
Once in a while I accidently press them instead of ^W (close current 
tab) in the middle of something. Relaunching with restore sessions 
don't always remember my form inputs and logins. It's quite annoying. :(


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


You want to do a restart instead of shutting SeaMonkey down?  If you 
get Chromedit Plus, it gives you a restart button.  It is also handy 
to edit userChrome.css, userContent.css, and user.js if you have them.


No, I don't want SM to exit without asking me to confirm it like in 
Firefox with ctrl-q hot keys.


If you have more than one tab open, you should be asked if you really 
want to quit.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.3 Won't Open

2020-08-13 Thread EE

Michael F. Simon wrote:
I installed SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on my iMac running Catalina. After putting 
it in the Applications folder, double clicking it produced an Alert. How 
can I download a copy which Apple will allow to open?


Thanks.

Mike Simon
Portage MI


Right-click the icon and choose "open".  You might have to put in an 
admin login.


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SeaMonkey 2.53.3 Won't Open

2020-08-13 Thread Michael F. Simon
I installed SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on my iMac running Catalina. After putting 
it in the Applications folder, double clicking it produced an Alert. How 
can I download a copy which Apple will allow to open?


Thanks.

Mike Simon
Portage MI
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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

2020-08-13 Thread Bill Spikowski

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 
computers.

The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that 
SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two 
different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this 
update but can't find any that would explain this behavior.

What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I 
uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the 
contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location).

I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 
bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer 
for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 
bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program 
files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files.

Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by 
side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a 
virtual machine.

My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the 
shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 
2.49.5.

If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the 
Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary 
file is being opened.

2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) 
folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the 
properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers.

If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I 
suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will 
probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy.

Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one 
with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.

I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 
64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even 
require use of my backed-up profiles.

I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window 
open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need 
them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my 
POP3 email servers as well!

As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of 
helping out we the bewildered!



Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.
When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the profile 
undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it useless for 
2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN RED IN THE RELEASE 
NOTES which you should have seen.
If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of the files 
as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files with no content.  
I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will cause those no-content files 
to be migrated in turn, you will have lost your original data.
The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no 
problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you switch 
between the two families.



Yes -- I saw the clear warnings about NOT going back after updating -- that's 
why I was so concerned when it seemed to be happening to me, despite my best 
efforts to avoid it...

I seem to have suffered few if any ill effects; maybe because I never tried to "go 
back." When I was (inadvertently) running 2.49 again, I did notice difficulties with 
my POP mail server; but once I deleted the 2.49 version and both of my 32-bit versions, 
those problems disappeared.

I keep rigorous daily backups, otherwise I'd be petrified to update important 
software at all!


 


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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

2020-08-13 Thread NFN Smith

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.


When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the 
profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it 
useless for 2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN 
RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen.


Something that I neglected to mention when I noted that I have had two 
versions installed simultaneously is that it's essential that each 
version have its own profile.


This is something that comes from Firefox since about version 54 or 55, 
in that profiles are not backward-compatible. In Seamonkey, that means 
that if a profile has been used 2.53.x, then if you try to use the same 
profile again in 2.49.x, there is significant chance for data loss.


Although I may be annoyed that the upgrade-in-place tool has been broken 
for several releases, I still consider that to be something of a 
positive thing. If I have to manually download and install a new 
version, then it's a good reminder to make a backup of a profile before 
I install.  Then, if it turns out that there's a reason to revert to the 
earlier version, I still have a copy of a profile that's known to work 
with that version.


Smith
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Re: SeaMonkey Themes

2020-08-13 Thread Edward

On 8/12/20 10:15 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:


Does your desktop environment inside Fedora have an option to change the
UI theme? Does it change the appearance of SeaMonkey with the Default
theme?

If so, does the situation improve if you try other UI themes?


I am not aware of one within Fedora itself that changes it system-wide.

I mainly use either the LXDE or LXQt desktop environments (DE). LXDE 
includes an option to change the theme. LXQT has a similar option (under 
Customize Look & Feel), but they call it 'Window Border', which does the 
same. Both DE's were using 'Onyx' by default.


I changed the LXQt window border setting to 'Orang' which changed the 
color of the title bar at the top, left-justified the title bar text and 
when moving the cursor on a menu, the menu item turns blue. Upon 
changing the SeaMonkey theme from Modern back to Default and restarting, 
it is faster now.

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Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3

2020-08-13 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son

Bill Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and 
Win7 computers.


The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I 
see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice 
each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various 
warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this 
behavior.


What might I be missing???


I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 
2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles 
by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another 
location).


I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 
and 64 bit versions.  If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 
bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct 
you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files 
are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are 
normally put in c:\program files.


Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey 
side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I 
have done this on a virtual machine.


My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where 
the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the 
installation of 2.49.5.


If you want to dig further, two things to look at:

1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to 
the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of 
what binary file is being opened.


2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files 
(x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. 
Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to 
verify version numbers.


If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple 
locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey 
(and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then 
install a new copy.


Smith



Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem!

I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both 
machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5.


I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to 
the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- 
didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles.


I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail 
window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser 
windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's 
strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well!


As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the 
trouble of helping out we the bewildered!



Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, 
suicidal - thing to do with those two versions.
When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the 
profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it 
useless for 2.49.x levels.  That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN 
RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen.
If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of 
the files as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files 
with no content.  I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will 
cause those no-content files to be migrated in turn, you will have lost 
your original data.
The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no 
problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you 
switch between the two families.


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Re: Printing Problems

2020-08-13 Thread Thomas Pamin

Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/12/2020 7:20 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I continue to have problems printing pages with SM. I usually only get
maybe one page printed out of 3. Edge seems to work fine. Anyone else
having trouble? Solutions?



I often see this with certain newspaper Web sites.  It is a function of
the site.  I think in some cases it is intentionally trying to prevent
printing in order to protect the site's copyright.  Other cases are
merely very bad HTML.

On rare occasions, I can print what I want by disabling JavaScript (not
Java, which is different).  Otherwise, I [right-click > Select All >
Copy] and then paste into a plain-text editor (ususally Wordpad).  I
must then adjust the paragraph spacing and sometimes the font before
printing from the editor.



Sometimes I find that I can print an 'unprintable' or awkward page using 
the "Print Friendly" add-on. On other pages, Seamonkey native printing 
ability does a better job. I often experiment with both when trying to 
print something of importance.


I installed Print Friendly on both browsers. I'll see how they work. 
Thanks.

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