Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[NFN Smith]

Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


My problem with option 3 is the phrase "one-time" and "unless you sign
out" which imply to me the need to go through this rigamarole every time
I need to restart SeaMonkey. That is a non-starter for me when the POP3
constipated email issue sometimes means multiple restarts in a day.  If
all they want to do is generate me a new password once then fine, but
NOT every time I restart SeaMonkey.

Dave
I generated one, one week ago and am still using it. I believe the 
e-mail is incorrect. It would be ridiculous having to generate a new 
password each time.


Think of it as a second, more secure password. One for the web site, one 
for third-party applications.






Or perhaps a rudimentary form of 2-factor authentication.

I found this with my primary email provider a couple of years ago, when 
I configured a mail client on my phone.  The regular password works fine 
for an interactive login, but I had to generate a separate password for 
setting up a new client connection.


For some reason, that provider didn't make me change my password in 
Seamonkey, and for that, although I have an SMTP password remembered, I 
purposely don't save the POP password.  Because I have to enter that 
once per session, I use it often enough that it's one that I always 
remember.


As for my Yahoo, I just followed the Option 3 instructions to create a 
new password, and then put into the password manager for both IMAP and 
SMTP.


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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[NFN Smith]

AK wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy



The differences are less than they want you to believe.

I run NoScript, and with the RottenTomatoes scripting host blocked, I 
have no problems with getting to their content, at least stuff that 
isn't delivered by script. However, if I unblock that one, I'm not 
finding any spoofing options, even the most current version of Google 
Chrome that this site will accept.


It seems that their browser sniffing script is exceptionally aggressive.

Most of the time, sites that complain about Seamonkey may say that the 
issue is compatibility, but I have yet to see a site that relies on 
something that is more current than I have in Seamonkey. There's a 
variety of reasons that sites may not want Seamonkey, but frequently it 
comes down to them wanting to simplify, and by rejecting old or odd (to 
them) browsers, they change things from being Their Problem to being 
Your Problem.


On the other hand, one of the Seamonkey devs has noted that there are 
things that Google is doing with YouTube that may make things difficult 
for any browser that's not Chromium-derived. I haven't seen that myself, 
although at Google's main search page, there's a display quirk that goes 
away if I show a stock Firefox User Agent string.  Thus, for google.com, 
I have an about:config entry that shows Google that I'm a Firefox user.


My own use of NoScript gets me around a lot of script-based browser 
sniffing issues, although there are trade-offs, and that might not work 
for you. And I also use PrefBar, which allows me to do quick on-the-fly 
spoofing, when I need to.


But it is happening that there's at least a few sites out there that may 
start having problems with Seamonkey.  For that, you don't have to 
abandon Seamonkey, but it may be useful to have an alternate browser for 
getting to sites that may have issues (whether real, or just annoying 
sites that don't want to deal with it) with Seamonkey.


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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[Ant]

On 8/26/2020 11:58 AM, Lee wrote:

On 8/26/20, AK  wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.


Have you tried
   Edit / Preferences
   Advanced / HTTP Networking
   under "User Agent String" selecting
 Identify as SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility


The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?


I suspect not almost identical any more :(

Firefox extended support release (ESR) is up to version 68.  I've lost
track, but I think SeaMonkey 2.53 is based on Firefox ESR version 56,
so it's not all that identical any more


I thought it was v57. I know UA shows v60 which is inaccurate (don't 
know why they use that number).

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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[Ant]

On 8/26/2020 11:53 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/26/20 2:29 PM, AK wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy



Where did you get that idea?


Maybe he meant the Gecko engine, but SeaMonkey v2.53.3 uses Gecko v60 
(Or was that v57?).

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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[Lee]

On 8/26/20, AK  wrote:
> I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

Have you tried
  Edit / Preferences
  Advanced / HTTP Networking
  under "User Agent String" selecting
Identify as SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility

> The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.
>
> I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

I suspect not almost identical any more :(

Firefox extended support release (ESR) is up to version 68.  I've lost
track, but I think SeaMonkey 2.53 is based on Firefox ESR version 56,
so it's not all that identical any more

Regards
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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[WaltS48]

On 8/26/20 2:29 PM, AK wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy



Where did you get that idea?

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Re: More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[Edward]

AK wrote:

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy



Edit / Preferences / Advanced / HTTP Networking

Change User Agent string setting to 'Identify as Firefox'. See if that 
helps.



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More and more sites do not accept Seamonkey

[AK]

I am finding more and more sites not accepting Seamonkey.

The latest is Rotten Tomatoes.

I do not understand as Seamonkey is almost identical to Firefox?

Andy
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RESOLUTION -- Re: BOOKMARK MANAGER - multiple panes? -- was [Re: Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?]

[Richard Owlett]

On 08/26/2020 01:48 AM, Daniel wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote on 25/08/2020 9:24 PM:

On 08/24/2020 03:05 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 08/23/2020 02:30 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:
"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different 
place in hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible 
to view structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]


Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

TIA


[snip]
I have maybe 15 first-level folders, with lots of subfolders within 
each. With that kind of organization, I can easily see the 
big-picture folder structure, and still have plenty of room on the 
screen to drill down within a couple of first-level folders at the 
same time while reorganizing the subfolders and individual bookmarks.


What I have is an ad hoc collection of POORLY organized bookmarks. 
Some in logically nested collections. Many just scattered loose. 
Some may date back to Netscape days.


As you observed, once there is a logically organized set of folders 
there is no problem moving folders or sub-folders to a new location 
in the tree. That's what prompted my post ;/

[snip]


Something has changed recently with Bookmark Manager (besides now 
being called 'Library'). Before, the left pane showed folder title 
for top-level folders, plus subfolder titles if you clicked the '>' 
icon, plus unsorted bookmarks at the bottom. Now the unsorted 
bookmarks only appear in the right pane.


But either way, with two panes, you can expose as much of your 
subfolder structure as there is space on your monitor in either the 
left or right pane. This might not help much on a laptop screen, but 
it's really great on a large monitor, and even better with multiple 
monitors![snip]


I do NOT see two panes in "Bookmark Manager".
I am running SeaMonkey 2.49.4 [1] on the i386 flavor of Debian 9.8 [2]
Using the menu choice   Bookmarks->Manage Bookmarks
I see a single pane titled "Bookmark Manager" with no apparent way to 
display a second pane.


Richard, on that screen, do you see two sections  in the Left Hand 
section there are listed all the folders (Tags, All Bookmarks, Bookmarks 
Toolbar, Bookmarks Menu, etc., etc.) and then, if you select one of 
those folders, in the right hand pane are listed the Bookmarks that you 
have in that folders??


If you don't see two such panes, is the the right hand side of the 
screen dragable (look for a knurled 'grippie' thing) so that you might 
expose the second pane??


Temporarily I have a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey running on a test 
machine. I see the two pane version of Bookmark Manager. IT is evidently 
a difference between 32 and 64 bit versions of SeaMonkey.





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Re: How can I test SeaMonkey 2.53.4 Beta versions without influence to and from my installed SeaMonkey?

[AndrésH]

Rainer Bielefeld escribió:

AndrésH schrieb:

Is there a method to install beta versions




Hi Andrés,

The most easy way (I always use it) for WINDOWS is:

1. download installer.exe oder .zip
2. Unzip installer.exe or .zip with an installer
   (Do NOT run installer.exe)
3. Launch your installed SeaMonkey
4. Menu ˋTools → Change User Profile → Admministrate Profiles →
   Create New User Profile with Name "TestProfile" →
   Change to "TestProfile"ˊ
5. Create a batch file "SeaMonkeyTest.bat" which looks like
 CD C:\
 seamonkey.exe -ProfileManager
6. Double click "SeaMonkeyTest.bat"
   » batch will launch your test version with derivation
 to Profile Manager, where you should select "TestProfile"

My experience is that the launch of you normal SeaMonkey also will 
launch via Profile Manager after you have tested you Beta version (so 
that you can switch back to your default User Profile), but to be 
sure, you can create a second batch file for your normal SeaMonkey 
installation.


Tests with Beta will not be 100% independent from your installed 
SeaMonkey, some WIN settings (Registry) might still have some control 
for the test version. If you want to be 100 % sure you will indeed 
need to use a VM. But this solution is VERY easy to do ...


CU

Rainer

I use normally a standard windows user, not the administrator.

I can always create a new clean windows user to test it. I have copied 
in the past  a seamonkey user profile  from a old computer to a newer one.

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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[WaltS48]

On 8/26/20 5:29 AM, 12...@yahoo.co.nz wrote:
AOL have sent an identically worded email to their customers. Yahoo and 
AOL have different owners, so why this across-the-board rush to up 
security. What is behind this?


AOL, Yahoo, Huffpost and many other brands are owned by Verizon Media.



Now they want to update security for users of third-party apps and 
notified users a month in advance.


I don't see a problem with that at all.

I remember when I had Verizon Internet and phone service, and had to 
move my Verizon email to AOL because Verizon was going to use AOL mail 
servers and shut theirs down.


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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[Edward]

12...@yahoo.co.nz wrote:
AOL have sent an identically worded email to their customers. Yahoo and 
AOL have different owners, so why this across-the-board rush to up 
security. What is behind this?


The letter is badly written, and it remains less than clear exactly what 
they want you to do, and what will or might happen (that you don't want 
to happen) if you do it. Basically, it's an ultimatum dressed up as 
usual in a lot of fancy PR talk.


You mention the instructions for Thunderbird as saying to delete your 
current account and then create a new one. The problem is that this sort 
of statement (theirs, not yours) lacks explicitness. For a start, I'm 
not even sure if you can delete an account, at the server end. I took 
them to mean that you had to remove the account from your email client 
configuration and then replace all that, possibly with some new values 
and/or options supplied by them. But if this is the sort of thing they 
are talking about, they need to say so much more explicitly and with 
more precise detail.


Yes, the e-mail they sent could certainly have been worded better and be 
much more clearer.


As I stared in a prior post, I did not have to delete any accounts from 
SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, or my Android app. I simply replaced the 
password for each account. Works perfectly.



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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[Edward]

Daniel wrote:

And how cone I'm not getting told about the change when I access my 
Yahoo account?? Is this because I use the web interface (i.e. mail still 
on their Hard Disks) whereas you guys are downloading the emails onto 
your Hard Disks??


AFAIK, the e-mail was only sent to users who also access their mail 
using third-party apps such as SeaMonkey, Thunderbird and/or Android or 
iOS apps.



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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[Edward]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/25/20 7:20 PM, Edward wrote:


In the 23 years that I have used Netscape, then the Mozilla Suite and 
now SeaMonkey, when I exit(ed) the suite each time: File / Quit.


I have never used any of these (nor Thunderbird) to 'sign out' of any 
account.


The e-mail AOL/Yahoo sent, /really isn't worded correctly/.




Yes, bad choice of words.

What I meant was, do they save the passwords and don't have to enter 
them to receive email or send mail.


Not sure what was going on with my AOL account. Doesn't get any mail and 
never used. Just wanted to add it as an IMAP account for support purposes.


Thunderbird and SeaMonkey will save the passwords. In SeaMonmkey when 
entering a password for an account, there is a check box to have the 
Password Manager save the password.


Note that there is a setting in SeaMonkey to clear out certain data when 
exiting, it's under Privacy & Security / Private Data. Just make sure 
'Saved Paasswords' is /not/ checked, otherwise, it will delete all of 
your saved passwords when you exit.




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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[12345--- via support-seamonkey]

AOL have sent an identically worded email to their customers. Yahoo and 
AOL have different owners, so why this across-the-board rush to up 
security. What is behind this?


The letter is badly written, and it remains less than clear exactly what 
they want you to do, and what will or might happen (that you don't want 
to happen) if you do it. Basically, it's an ultimatum dressed up as 
usual in a lot of fancy PR talk.


You mention the instructions for Thunderbird as saying to delete your 
current account and then create a new one. The problem is that this sort 
of statement (theirs, not yours) lacks explicitness. For a start, I'm 
not even sure if you can delete an account, at the server end. I took 
them to mean that you had to remove the account from your email client 
configuration and then replace all that, possibly with some new values 
and/or options supplied by them. But if this is the sort of thing they 
are talking about, they need to say so much more explicitly and with 
more precise detail.


David H. Durgee wrote:

I received the following rather problematic email from Yahoo this morning:


Hey David,

We love that you love using your Yahoo Mail. And we want to make sure you 
always have the best experience. That’s why we’re reaching out today.

We’ve noticed that you’re using non-Yahoo applications (such as third-party 
email, calendar, or contact applications) that may use a less secure sign-in 
method. To protect you and your data, Yahoo will no longer support the current 
sign-in functionality in your application starting on October 20, 2020. This 
means that you will need to take one of the steps below to continue using Yahoo 
Mail without interruption.

But don’t worry, you have options. Find an option that works best for you below:

Option 1: We recommend that you access your email using our free Yahoo Mail app 
for iOS and Android or simply go to mail.yahoo.com to access Yahoo Mail on the 
web.

Option 2: Keep your current, non-Yahoo app, BUT follow a few steps to get it to 
sync with our secure sign-in method. The steps vary across different email 
applications, but in most cases, you will have to remove your Yahoo account 
from the app and then add it back again to update the sign-in security. Use the 
links below to follow the specific steps for your current application:

 iOS Mail
 Gmail
 Samsung Mail
 Others


Option 3: You can generate a one-time, unique password that will allow you to 
sign in to your account using your non-Yahoo email application. Once created, 
this password will continue to allow your app to securely sync your Yahoo email 
unless you sign out (or are signed out) from your app. You can find 
instructions on how to do this here.

If you want more details on these changes, please visit our help page. If 
you’ve already taken action, we’d like to think you haven’t read this far, but 
if you have . . . we sure appreciate the diligence!

Thanks for rocking that Yahoo Mail address!

Yours in your inbox,
The Yahoo Team


I followed that others link and found some instructions for Thunderbird
that involve deleting my current account and creating a new one.  I have
no intention of deleting my current account, I simply want to change my
server settings to conform with their new "more secure" requirements.

Has anyone else received this notice and made the required changes so
that you can tell me how to fix this mess they are insisting on?

Dave



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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

Edward wrote on 26/08/2020 6:33 AM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/25/20 1:47 PM, Edward wrote:


Option 3 is the best choice. For both Thunderbird and SeaMonkey, I 
did not have to delete the accounts, I simply deleted the saved IMAP 
and SMTP passwords via their respective Password Managers, exited 
each, restarted each and was prompted to input the new passwords. 
Works perfectly.


They are also sending the same e-mail to AOL Mail users.


Did they provide the passwords?


Yes, it's displayed on the screen when it's generated.
Hang on!! Are you suggesting that Yahoo generated a Password for you to 

enter so that you can access your Yahoo e-mail account??

Doesn't sound right to me!

And how cone I'm not getting told about the change when I access my 
Yahoo account?? Is this because I use the web interface (i.e. mail still 
on their Hard Disks) whereas you guys are downloading the emails onto 
your Hard Disks??

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Re: Yahoo email server changes and SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

Why You Breadling wrote on 26/08/2020 10:54 AM:

Why is this in my inbox


Presumably because YOU have chosen to receive the posts to this news 
group as an e-mail.

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Re: Possible partial workaround -- [ Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?]

[Daniel]

Bill Spikowski wrote on 26/08/2020 4:41 AM:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 08/23/2020 06:45 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different place 
in hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible to 
view structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]


Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

TIA


Bill's description of a dual pane view of "Bookmark Manager" prompted 
some experimentation.


Choosing Bookmarks->File Bookmark then under "Folder:" and then 
clicking "Choose" displays a tree-view of folder titles.


Performing Cntrl-A Cntrl-C followed by pasting into a text editor 
yields a not-quite un-formatted list of folder titles.


I say "not-quite un-formatted list" because there is a blank line 
where there would have been one or more bookmarks.


I'll experiment to see if I can create a tree view of the folder 
structure.


Later.


Here's how it looks on one of my computers.

It's always opened for me with two panes; it would be enormously less 
useful if the second pane wasn't available!


Ditto!!  as I've just tried to explain to Richard! (Hmm!! A pictures 
worth how many words?? ;-P )

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Re: BOOKMARK MANAGER - multiple panes? -- was [Re: Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?]

[Daniel]

Richard Owlett wrote on 25/08/2020 9:24 PM:

On 08/24/2020 03:05 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 08/23/2020 02:30 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:
"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different 
place in hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible 
to view structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]


Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

TIA


[snip]
I have maybe 15 first-level folders, with lots of subfolders within 
each. With that kind of organization, I can easily see the 
big-picture folder structure, and still have plenty of room on the 
screen to drill down within a couple of first-level folders at the 
same time while reorganizing the subfolders and individual bookmarks.


What I have is an ad hoc collection of POORLY organized bookmarks. 
Some in logically nested collections. Many just scattered loose. Some 
may date back to Netscape days.


As you observed, once there is a logically organized set of folders 
there is no problem moving folders or sub-folders to a new location 
in the tree. That's what prompted my post ;/

[snip]


Something has changed recently with Bookmark Manager (besides now 
being called 'Library'). Before, the left pane showed folder title for 
top-level folders, plus subfolder titles if you clicked the '>' icon, 
plus unsorted bookmarks at the bottom. Now the unsorted bookmarks only 
appear in the right pane.


But either way, with two panes, you can expose as much of your 
subfolder structure as there is space on your monitor in either the 
left or right pane. This might not help much on a laptop screen, but 
it's really great on a large monitor, and even better with multiple 
monitors![snip]


I do NOT see two panes in "Bookmark Manager".
I am running SeaMonkey 2.49.4 [1] on the i386 flavor of Debian 9.8 [2]
Using the menu choice   Bookmarks->Manage Bookmarks
I see a single pane titled "Bookmark Manager" with no apparent way to 
display a second pane.


Richard, on that screen, do you see two sections  in the Left Hand 
section there are listed all the folders (Tags, All Bookmarks, Bookmarks 
Toolbar, Bookmarks Menu, etc., etc.) and then, if you select one of 
those folders, in the right hand pane are listed the Bookmarks that you 
have in that folders??


If you don't see two such panes, is the the right hand side of the 
screen dragable (look for a knurled 'grippie' thing) so that you might 
expose the second pane??

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